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This is all fine and good, but these historians really need to get over themselves with this " giving him his name" nonsense as if they did that kid an actual favor. If this guy Belizaire from the records is the same kid in the paintings, I'm sure his portrait getting painted over in the future would have been the least of his concerns with all the crap he would have had to put up with in life.
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This is a historian's "educated guess". Cool story but no definitive proof.
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It's like priceless object hoarding disorder behind the scenes. There are stacks of actual mummified pharaohs in the basements of Egyptian museums.
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The rich aren't going to stick around and be capped. They'll leave to a tax haven.
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Letting low income housing in your backyard can have major negative consequences! A " low income" apartment complex was put in behind my parents' house. In order for neighbors to approve construction, the apartment complex LIED about having a community center that would be open to the neighborhood (actually open to renters only) and also said that a parking garage would be facing the backyards ( actually two story apartment buildings were built right next to the fence, so that the neighbors no longer have privacy). The kids from the complex would yell insults at my parents and throw things such as fast food trash and underwear at them when they were working in their garden. One time the brats even set a fire that melted part of the fence between the complex and my parents' yard! I called the police on them because the apartment manager's phone always went to an answering machine, with no call back. Getting a discount on housing ( paid for by taxpayers) is a privilege! Stand up for your community and call the cops if you have to! Poverty does not excuse lowlife behavior! "Struggling" is no excuse to not discipline your kids and let them grow into packs of brainless bullies with no respect for their elders! Edit: Wanted to add that this was in a working class hispanic neighborhood and my parents were among the people that voted FOR the low income complex.
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They need to learn English and Chinese. Every nurse or engineer that goes abroad sends $ back home. Isolation is a stupid idea for countries that are broke AF.
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@mkuti-childress3625 It's possible, but artists or schools of artists often get "same face syndrome". The female characters in Pixar movies for instance. Hard to tell apart except by their hair.
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The whole "black erasure conspiracy" angle makes no sense. Think about it. If someone wanted to create propaganda to make people think slavery was no big deal, they'd WANT to show this guy! Then they could say " look how well dressed he is! Free room and board just for babysitting!"
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Letting low income housing in your backyard can have major negative consequences! A " low income" apartment complex was put in behind my parents' house. In order for neighbors to approve construction, the apartment complex LIED about having a community center that would be open to the neighborhood (actually open to renters only) and also said that a parking garage would be facing the backyards ( actually two story apartment buildings were built right next to the fence, so that the neighbors no longer have privacy). The kids from the complex would yell insults at my parents and throw things such as fast food trash and underwear at them when they were working in their garden. One time the brats even set a fire that melted part of the fence between the complex and my parents' yard! I called the police on them because the apartment manager's phone always went to an answering machine, with no call back. Getting a discount on housing ( paid for by taxpayers) is a privilege! Stand up for your community and call the cops if you have to! Poverty does not excuse lowlife behavior! "Struggling" is no excuse to not discipline your kids and let them grow into packs of brainless bullies with no respect for their elders!
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Ever seen Antiques Roadshow? Every item that gets brought in is "priceless" and there's almost always a "family legend". Then, most of the items turn out to be crap, just really old. There's no "conspiracy to hide black people" here. Face it, if someone was out to convince people that slavery wasn't that bad they'd WANT this painting restored and shown ASAP! Then, they could say " He's well dressed and treated like family! Free room and board just for babysitting!"
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@mamadouaziza2536 He likely wouldn't have been educated. There were some laws in the South that criminalized teaching a slave to read and write.
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Letting low income housing in your backyard can have major negative consequences! A " low income" apartment complex was put in behind my parents' house. In order for neighbors to approve construction, the apartment complex LIED about having a community center that would be open to the neighborhood (actually open to renters only) and also said that a parking garage would be facing the backyards ( actually two story apartment buildings were built right next to the fence, so that the neighbors no longer have privacy). The kids from the complex would yell insults at my parents and throw things such as fast food trash and underwear at them when they were working in their garden. One time the brats even set a fire that melted part of the fence between the complex and my parents' yard! I called the police on them because the apartment manager's phone always went to an answering machine, with no call back. Getting a discount on housing ( paid for by taxpayers) is a privilege! Stand up for your community and call the cops if you have to! Poverty does not excuse lowlife behavior! "Struggling" is no excuse to not discipline your kids and let them grow into packs of brainless bullies with no respect for their elders!
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Sure, they would! Why not? It's a cool little mystery that would grab the kids' attention.
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@juliz2500 Yeah, pretty sure having his portrait painted over wasn't even that big of a deal compared to the other crap in his life. You have to take this whole story with a grain of salt because at best, it's an educated guess. The historian lady just looked back in the records and found someone who would "fit". The family may have owned other slaves than the guy they think it is. Archaeologists get a little full of themselves and romanticize history " we gave him back his name!" A few years back an egyptologist had a whole Discovery special about how she found the mummy of Nefertiti, complete with a face reconstruction and a CGI animated sequence of her entering the afterlife as she had been " given back her name"! " she has nefer beads so it must be her!" Years later that mummy was proved to be Tutankhamun's aunt and mother through DNA and the Egyptologist got banned from Egypt!
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@phiakate Have you ever seen Antiques Roadshow? Everything's "priceless" and has a story. And then a lot of it is assessed to be crap. A museum making a bad call because they had more donations than they could afford to store isn't a " juicy" enough story so they went with the " giant conspiracy to erase black people from history" angle.
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@globalcitizenn How do you know his dad was white.? Could have been native American or Hispanic.
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What did he erase? All he did was work at a place that owned a donated painting by who knows who that had a blur in the back that was rumored to be a painted over slave. He said that selling the thing and not gambling the $$ to have it restored was a mistake.
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@munchezfonataba Also a common language for close captions of video footage. Good point.
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The whole "black erasure conspiracy" angle makes no sense. Think about it. If someone wanted to create propaganda to make people think slavery was no big deal, they'd WANT to show this guy! Then they could say " look how well dressed he is! Free room and board just for babysitting!"
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The whole "black erasure conspiracy" angle makes no sense. Think about it. If someone wanted to create propaganda to make people think slavery was no big deal, they'd WANT to show this guy! Then they could say " look how well dressed he is! Free room and board just for babysitting!"
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@GullibleTarget That painting is the EXACT sort of thing slavery apologists would WANT restored and shown ASAP! " Look, he's well fed and well dressed! Treated like family!" The NY museum bought this already restored, with a historical narrative that would pull viewers attached. When the previous museum got it, it was just three white kids and a blur, (maybe slave? ) artist unknown.
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Immersion teaches language. There's no way Florida can find teachers that can do all the subjects in Nahuatl or whatever for the kids that don't even speak Spanish. It'd be a good idea to get some bilingual aides in the classrooms to help explain things if there's room in the budget.
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@sarahjames927 That's not what the museum rep is commenting on. The descendants of the family in 5he portrait painted over the guy. The museum rep isn't referring to that as being a mistake, he's saying that the museum having auctioned off the painting was a mistake.
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@icantfindnone He's saying the museum made a mistake by auctioning the unrestored painting for funds. He's not talking about any of that other stuff.
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Have you ever seen Antiques Roadshow? Every family heirloom is "priceless" and has a story. And then a lot of it is assessed to be crap. A museum making a bad call because they had more donations than they could afford to store isn't a " juicy" enough story so they went with the " giant conspiracy to erase black people from history" angle.
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@@SonderDAzeX It's unlikely he was a tutor to the kids..It was illegal to teach slaves to read in some states but he might have been literate anyway. You wouldn't have to read to clean and repair clothes, cook food and babysit, though.
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You have to take this whole story with a grain of salt because at best, it's an educated guess. The historian lady just looked back in the records and found someone who would "fit". The family may have owned other slaves than the guy they think it is. Archaeologists get a little full of themselves and romanticize history " we gave him back his name!" A few years back an egyptologist had a whole Discovery special about how she found the mummy of Nefertiti, complete with a face reconstruction and a CGI animated sequence of her entering the afterlife as she had been " given back her name"! " she has nefer beads so it must be her!" Years later that mummy was proved to be Tutankhamun's aunt and mother through DNA and the Egyptologist got banned from Egypt!
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@rebeccanewman8391 What I'm saying is that there are legit reasons (such as crime, vandalism and harassment) for someone to not want a low income complex in their neighborhood! It's not like everyone who objects is a rich SOB who hates the poor and whose only values are "property values". I'm sure there are brainless lowlifes in society's upper class, too ( probably off snorting cocaine and getting the maid pregnant). But that doesn't excuse the bad behavior of people in low income housing in any way. I think lowlife is as lowlife does. These kids and their half-assed parents need to be held to the same standards as anyone else. Is setting fires, picking fights and throwing trash into neighbors' yards "smart and classy" in your opinion? What would someone have to do for you to consider them a brainless lowlife?
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@ddot9566 What's with the rant? Do you really think I don't get that "slavery is bad"? Assuming the historian made the correct assumption and the kid that's portrayed is the one she picked based on " who would have been rich enough to commission this", how many people walking around an art museum are going to dig into the back story of every guy in every painting? Most are going to stroll through and see stereotypical images of loyal servants staring reverently at their masters, obese cheerful cooks, goofy looking guys playing the fool, etc. and walk away with the VISUAL IMPRESSION that " slavery wasn't so bad". People have been complaining that displaying this stuff promotes stereotypes for more than a century, and when they get their way and it's NOT shown, they boo-hoo that there's a conspiracy to erase blacks from history!
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@free1855 Yes, everything's a minor crime until it's your pocket that's picked or your car that's hotwired. Don't pretend none are violent criminals. Which criminal has the highest chance of reintegration? One with job skills or one who served their time staring at the wall, gambling and getting in fights?
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Slavery is STILL cruel. Here and wherever. But now they call it "human trafficking", like, "There! Fixed it!"
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The professionally offended finally got their wish and had all the "stereotypical depictions" removed ..now they have to switch gears and complain about black Americans being "erased"! Loyal servant gazing reverently at master" is a stereotype, too, just like cheerful obese cooks! Remember? The ones that were removed from the grocery store food packaging in order to be less offensive during the BLM riots?
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@himesilva IS it an accurate depiction of a black American, though? " Loyal servant gazing reverently at master" is a stereotype, too, just like cheerful obese cooks! Remember? The ones that were removed from the grocery store food packaging in order to be less offensive during the BLM riots?
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@andym9115 Yeah, people need a little healthy skepticism toward historical claims. Also, some other historian saying " it could have been done this other way" doesn't debunk anything. The actual evidence still has to be weighed.
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Why would white people be "afraid" to look at a painting? This guy's white owners commissioned the painting in the first place. It's a cool mystery. He was important enough to them that they'd want to remember him. I wonder if he might not have done something that caused them to sell him off and paint him out. Or maybe the family just had to sell him off because they went broke and the heirs had him painted out to avoid embarrassing assumptions because the artist's "same face syndrome" made him look related to the other kids...
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Loyal servant gazing reverently at master" is a stereotype, too, just like cheerful, obese cooks! People DEMANDED this stuff br removed! Recently! Remember? The black cooks that were removed from the grocery store food packaging in order to be less offensive during the BLM riots?
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@AlexFisher-rg5hd Exactly. Viewers are going to see a well fed, well dressed boy who seems just fine! Most won't dig into his back story to find out any different. If someone was out to prove slavery was no big deal, they'd WANT this restored and displayed ASAP!
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Assuming the historian made the correct guess and the kid that's portrayed is the one she picked (based on " who would have been rich enough to commission this"), how many people walking around an art museum are going to dig into the back story of every guy in every painting? Most are going to stroll through and see stereotypical images of loyal servants staring reverently at their masters, obese cheerful cooks, goofy looking guys playing the fool, etc. and walk away with the VISUAL IMPRESSION that " slavery wasn't so bad". People have been complaining that displaying this stuff promotes stereotypes for more than a century, and when they get their way and it's NOT shown, they boo-hoo that there's a conspiracy to erase blacks from history!
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@nymeria7239 Yes, everyone knows smirking while white is a crime! Remember those awful Catholic school boys who smirked on camera when the old native American guy came at them chanting and beating a drum in their faces?
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Art contains stereotypes. You can't have it both ways. "Loyal servant gazing reverently at master" is a stereotype, too, just like "cheerful obese cooks" ! Remember? The ones that were removed from the grocery store food packaging in order to be less offensive during the BLM riots?
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@fintan9218 So, is commercial art not a " real" enough form of art to matter? Should the images of people in ads matter less to the public that people in portraits? Both portray an idealized version of life where the subjects are happy to serve. You can't have your cake and eat it too.Those "missing" depictions were put behind closed doors because they contain stereotypes. Unless you just want to go back and re- write history Hamilton/Bridgerton style?
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@fintan9218 Are you just mad I brought up BLM? Their level of scamming, nepotism, and negligence is legendary, and a matter of public record. Why hide recent history if you're complaining about history being hidden?
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@fintan9218 I didn't delete any comments. What comment "showed inner bigotry" in your opinion?
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@anamariaguadayol2335 It's 2023 though, and you can learn English from a phone app. I agree it would be best if they had someone teaching them remedial English maybe after school or instead of study hall/art/PE. But for some classes such as math or art the primary language wouldn't matter as much. Do the students there not have ANY English language arts class? The goal of the district where I grew up was to transition the Spanish speaking kids into regular classes ASAP so they didn't fall behind.
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@anamariaguadayol2335 If the district's too broke to afford art or PE, then they sure can't afford separate classes to instruct the kids in their different native languages. I'm pretty sure ( since it's Florida) some of the teachers speak a little Spanish so they can help them pick up English as they go along. Why's the district so broke, anyway? Did they cut a bunch of businesses a property tax break to get them to relocate, or what? I speak English and Spanish. I was saying before, where I grew up they did have Spanish speaking classes for K and pre-K, but they tried to transition kids into English-speaking classes ASAP.
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@DizzyBusy You're a 13 year old refugee from El San Banana with a 10 word English vocabulary. Are you going to sit on your thumbs waiting for " somebody to do something" or are you going to download an app?
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@anamariaguadayol2335 The OP said something about the teachers "not being allowed" to teach the kids English, though? Seems like they'd at least have REGULAR English class so all the kids could learn to read and spell?This whole thing doesn't add up. I was saying the immigrant kids probably pick up the language some even without specific instruction although bilingual teachers or aides would be ideal to explain other subjects such as math.
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@anamariaguadayol2335 Generic smart phones aren't that expensive now. You don't need an unlimited phone plan AND internet, one or the other is fine. Don't a lot of schools have tablets for students? What the OP says doesn't add up.
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@anamariaguadayol2335 English and Spanish have about the same characters. It's nothing like the gap between English and Hebrew!
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@me-ye6ld Sounds like you want to "eat the rich" and you expect them to hop onto your fork! In a democracy, leaders have to get themselves elected. That means manufacturing consent, which requires $$$$ for ads. Corporations have $ and they buy both sides. Far-left smash-the-state nut jobs aren't going to get sponsored, so they can't pay to play and they sit on the sidelines complaining.
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