Comments by "Digital Footballer" (@digitalfootballer9032) on "5-Part Series: Science and God | Marathons" video.
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Way to set up a nice strawman. Maybe to some, the concept of God is a nice "catch-all" to explain everything away, but generalizing all who believe in a higher power as such simpletons is clearly just a strawman argument you propose to sound witty and clever, which I'm afraid accomplishes neither.
The origins of the universe and the existence of an intelligent designer are really just a proverbial chicken and egg dilemma. It comes down to one simple question...is the universe infinitely old and will exist on through infinity, or does it have a beginning and an end? Well, science has theorized it does have a beginning, and an end. So the beginning is what we are concerned with here, and there are really only 3 possible explanations. It spontaneously came out of nothing, it budded off of another older universe in the multiverse, or, it was created by some higher intelligence outside the scope of this universe. So, ask a scientist which one it was, and the answer you will get is that nobody knows. So believing that the third option was the right one makes one no more stupid than believing either of the other two possibilities, because none have been proven.
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Well, many fundamentalists still do not believe in things like the big bang theory, evolution, etc, and believe the earth is 6,000 years old and every excerpt from the Bible is meant to be taken literally. But of course not everyone who believes in a higher power thinks that way. But yet of course such dogma does make it difficult to take organized religion seriously. That's kind of where I find myself. I believe in God, and I also believe in the science, which I think is possible. In my opinion, a defined beginning to the universe implies intelligent design (of course does not prove it, but implies it), whereas, like the narrator here said, an infinitely old universe would imply otherwise. This, and the fact that abiogenic conception is yet to be discovered anywhere points me again towards intelligent design. So am I religious? No. While I have no problem with organized religion existing and people practicing it, I just don't care to participate. But I believe in God, and more or less one of Christian origins...not so much that I take the Bible literally because I don't, but in that the lessons it teaches and rules it gives to be a good and pious person in the eyes of God is pretty sound, even if sensationalized by ancient humans. So I don't know what that makes me. Somewhere in between a Christian and an agnostic I guess.
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Ā @123mneilĀ Yeah I read some other comments you made on some of the other threads and could see you had a similar way of thinking to mine on the matter, so I wanted to respond to your thread. What you say about church and religion in general is about where I am. I always say "I didn't leave the church, the church left me". And yes, I agree 100% that the Bible was never meant to be taken literally or scientifically, to me I view it as more of a moral guide (in some regards), and more of a window on how ancient people saw the world. It is interesting in that regard, and you can't really argue against teachings to be kind and honest and such...if God does indeed exist you would have to think that is what he would want from us.
But yeah, the ritualistic stuff turned me off, as well as the people who "went to church so they could be seen at church", which sadly I felt was most. I feel much more comfortable having my own personal beliefs, which as I said are rooted very much in Christianity but are not fundamentalist, and are not necessarily following some stringent set of rules that some text or some man says I should follow. I think just living a good and honest life is what is important, and if one does believe in God or any higher power, then their personal relationship with them is what really matters, not what some group says. I believe because I think it is rational to think the universe came from something rather than nothing, and because there is so much complexity and harmony among matter down to the molecular level that it is hard for me to accept it is all just random.
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Agreed, in no way is the existence of God proven...so scientifically you cannot say as such, however religion works on belief and not proof. But it also goes beyond religion, I myself am not religious, yet I do believe in a higher power just because it seems rational to me. Of course others may find that irrational, and that is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. I am also fascinated by astrophysics and read much on the subject, and have no reason not to believe in many of the scientific theories associated with the studies.
But how then can I believe in God? Well, this may sound weird, but I think of it this way. Yes, no man has seen, touched, or proven that God exists. But at the same time no man, nor no probe even has seen, touched, or proven the existence of anything much beyond about Pluto, yet any rational person believes there is a whole universe beyond. Yet at the same time, how do we not know that we aren't living in a giant Truman show, where out around the Kuiper belt, the probes will crash into a giant holographic screen that keeps all of us living in some sort of simulation thinking we are real? We don't know. God, or any "intelligent designer", would be every bit as mysterious to our small minds as trying to prove the origins of the universe.
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