Comments by "TeeKay" (@teekay_1) on "MGUY Australia" channel.

  1. The lesson here is simple: When government does something stupid, they never admit it was stupid, they double down on stupidity
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  2. It would be interesting to get a psychologist to discuss how people will buy into certain ideas or products and then irrationally defend their choices and get angry at people who make different choices or point out the flaw in their choices. You see this in the high-end audio quite a bit, but we're also seeing it in other areas that may be of interest to this channel. ....which reminds me of a limerick... There once was a man from Nantucket, who had loads of cash in a bucket, he bought a bad truck, got stuck in the muck, And now he says oh, just.........?????????
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  3. The reason this is happening is EV owners are asking a basic question: What can an EV do that my gas powered car cannot do? And why must I charge it every night? Why must I have a 2nd car if I'm traveling a long distance (which is common in the US)? And why am I paying more for a car that ultimately has less utility and higher insurance costs than a gas powered car?
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  4. I want to thank the owners of EV for resetting the weather... sorry, climate.... back to the way it was 70 years ago. Yes, it got very cold in the winter, and yes, we had lots of snow. This winter is normal weather for North America. You've made a difference with your purchase and I can only encourage you to buy more EVs.
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  5. I tried to explain to the crazies why the energy density of sunlight would take 2-3 weeks to charge even a small EV battery, and their response was "Elon has great engineers, they'll figure it out". Maybe wind-powered cars? Put a sail on them, and let the wind push you around. You'd have to tack against the wind, which will make city traffic more interesting.
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  6.  @RiverMersey  The French Revolution offered some practical suggestions.
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  7. With the Chevron rule being ruled unconstitutional, the EPA can now be sued. The damage done to the administrative state will be glorious and overdue.
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  8. It's a well-known outcome of far-left policies.
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  9.  @qtheplatypus  There's a finite amount of oil, copper, nickel. In fact everything on earth is finite.
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  10.  @HyperVanilo  No car will save the environment. The environment doesn't need saving.
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  11.  @TroySavary  Sounds like he is. Can you point to where you imagine he's wrong? Have you ever been to Alaska in winter?
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  12.  @HyperVanilo  Can you give us the chemical formula for "Black Smoke"?
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  13.  @raypalmer7733  Not many.
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  14.  @waynegazard5038  Almost no children were lost to COVID, and has recently been released, COVID shots and boosters have a minimal impact on preventing or stopping the spread of COVID. Oh, and everybody will eventually lose both parents to some illness. That's how life works.
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  15. @MGuy here's an interesting tidbit about green energy: Wind & solar struggle to make up the difference [of energy lost by decommissioning older power plants]. They run only 24-40% of the time, producing much less than “nameplate” capacity figures would suggest. Adding batteries brings extra strain: battery storage is 141 times more expensive than liquefied natural gas, and every 1KWh of battery storage requires 50KWh of energy to create it So next time someone tells you the wind and solar will power EVs are either unaware of the real figures or they're lying.
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  16. On the C&D website, well-off people are defending $100K EVs because "all new technology is expensive". When you point out that you can buy a non-EV for far less than that, there's a lot of derision and excuses like "this is faster than a sports car". It's detached from reality.
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  17. "Far Right" in today's parlance means "100% normal"
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  18.  @Longtack55  and think of the greater good People have decided there is no "greater good" with an EV.
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  19.  @sugarnads  ...and they failed 100 years ago because of charging problems and range problems...
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  20.  @TomCevica  Actually, EVs are going so slow on the highway to preserve range, they actually make one feel sorry for the people stuck inside them.
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  21. I'm probably the only person who thought the VW Diesel cheating "scandal" was actually very clever and I applauded VW for doing it since the difference was so tiny between what their diesels emitted and the regulation. Meeting the standard was significantly more expensive and ironically made them burn more diesel fuel. Regulators are not the brightest people. It reminds me of the original "Air Pumps" the industry used in the 1970's & 1980's. It would pump air through the exhaust to dilute the exhaust gases to prove that they were meeting tailpipe emissions.
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  22.  @redbaron6805  Minerals can be recovered and recycled indefinitely Nice theory, but in practice EVs are sent to the junkyard because it's not profitable to recycle them.
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  23.  @Ifitwerks  You're missing the point. The earth doesn't have enough resources to convert to EVs. Even without these high-capacity cables.
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  24.  @ralpharmsby8040  With 100k I can buy 2 really good EVs that will do over 250 miles Will one tow the other down the road and when the first one runs out of battery, you jettison it like a rocket and continue in the second car to get 500 miles? Ingenious! You're using them like rocket ships that go to the moon!
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  25.  @mistersmacky  You nailed it. A truck is an asset. An asset is built to create revenue. Every minute that asset is not generating revenue, it's simply a cost to the owner, i.e. a non-performing asset.
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  26.  @TeaBreak.  No. But the purpose of 15 minutes cities is to inhibit or prohibit you from moving beyond your tiny enclave without permission.
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  27.  @joytotheworld9109 a handbrake won't stop a car. It won't even slow it unless you're going under 10 MPH. I have experience with this ;)
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  28.  @seannewman5391  A carbon tax will be one of the worst things to happen to people. It will give bureaucrats a lever to give favors to the groups they decide will help them politically, and punish the people and industries they don't agree with. It reminds of the income tax in the US. When the amendment was passed, it was only supposed to affect the top 1% of people. How did that work out? Or Social Security, which they promised would only be "A nickel in each paycheck". The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but when politicians are involved, the "good intentions" aren't there to begin with.
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  29.  @stuartburns8657  well, except that gas stations have backup generators, and.... get this... a ready supply of fuel.
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  30. Especially something which requires massive subsidies from the taxpayer just to fall into the "overpriced" category.
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  31. Net Zero refers to the benefits for consumers.
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  32. You know, the Brits of old would have already gotten their torches and pitchforks together and removed him, but you guys have gotten soft on us.
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  33.  iscadean3607  It's like the US, only worse.
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  34.  @steve_is_my_name  lol. Let's talk facts here instead of new-age nonsense: 1) make the grid stronger No one in the world is doing this, because the costs are too high 2) creating jobs and opportunities 10 years ago, Spain moved to a "green economy" and it completely tanked their economy with high unemployment 3) transition to clean energy there's no such thing The creation of EVs actually is far worse for the environment than the full lifecycle cost of a gas/diesel car. In addition the full lifecycle of windmills and solar cells is worse for the environment because there is no way to recycle them, so they end up as waste and buried where the chemicals leach into groundwater. Steve, come back to earth. The air and climate are just fine.
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  35.  @mwont  Don't be silly. Of course it was.
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  36.  @k9killer221  That matches what I've talked about the narrow segment of people for which EVs make sense. Ultimately, even if EVs improved significantly, they'd be at most 7% of the entire fleet of cars in the US. And frankly, EV progress has leveled off over the past 3-4 years, so it will probably level out at 4-5%
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  37.  @kathrynwhitby9799  Of course. Wood is plentiful, it can carry heavy loads without breaking, and with some maintenance will last 100's of years.
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  38.  @chowchow2386  even so, it's still a silly substance to make car parts with. It almost seems like they know their cars won't last more than 8-10 years.
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  39.  iscadean3607  Have you ever watched where trucks stop for the night? Drive the interstate at 2 AM and get yourself educated.
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  40. The irony is the atmosphere needs more CO2. If we had more CO2, we could produce far more food, and the planet would be more hospitable to all forms of life.
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  41. Same as the local school district. Started buying e-buses, and then quietly spent $14M on replacing them with diesel buses just this month.
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  42.  @redbaron6805  Well, those were optimistic projections from 3 years ago, but as predicted, EV sales have leveled off and will never achieve more than 5-6% of the total population of cars, and those are primarily used as 2nd cars for people with garages.
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  43.  @redbaron6805  elementary chemistry says: "Metal can be recycled essentially an INFINITE number of times Yes, given enough money. But things are only recycled if recycling is cheaper than mining new minerals. Aluminum and steel fall into that category, but lithium and sodium require special handling (i.e. expensive) that makes them uneconomical to recover. Cobolt falls into that same category with new cost-effective methods for recycling still in the lab, which means we're probably 15-20 years from production use.
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  44.  @rattusfinkus  Hertz got rid of them because there was no consumer demand for rental EVs. That's a fact.
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  45. "Never waste a crisis" - every politicians ever.
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  46. Does anyone really care what the head of the UN actually thinks?
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  47.  @HyperVanilo  ICE cars are not more polluting that BEV's. In fact, experts now concede the environmental damage by BEVs are far worse than ICE cars.
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  48.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  maybe we just need more subsidies for green transport Nah. They either make it on their own or its not worth doing. Don't rope the taxpayers in to pay for for the stupidity of politicians
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  49. One of the reasons apple gave was that it's not possible to sell one for under $100K and still make a profit, which is true if you eliminate all the government subsidies
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  50.  @scottcarr3264  Until it's in production, it's simply vaporware. Recall that solid state batteries were supposed to be the new breakthrough. Never happened, it just didn't work out. There's a huge gulf between the laboratory and production.
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  51.  iscadean3607  ...and much lower energy density and range.
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  52.  @redbaron6805  Yes, and EVs have that special feature where water doesn't stop them from running, they just run a tad hot.... like 5,000 degrees hot.
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  53. The greenest car in the world is the one you already own. Right now, EVs won't be environmentally sound until they get rid of Lithium from the storage cells; Lithium batteries are fussy in terms of charging and if you don't baby them, they'll lose capacity fairly quickly (which is why no EV maker will warranty batteries longer than 8 years). Once that battery pack is no longer fit, the car is essentially scrap. These are first generation products, and anyone with common sense will wait until the 2nd generation products are available. That may be quite a while since the early adopters have... adopted it and the general public has already spoken on the topic. EVs simply aren't good enough today.
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  54.  @egaskrad  There's lots of people claiming new battery tech is right around the corner. I hope it does work, but people should be skeptical about claims of "next year a whole new battery tech will be available". I've heard that story for 4 years, and yet here we are with unworkable lithium batteries.
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  55.  @steveinoz8188  Well, they eliminate tailpipe emissions, however, the making of an EV is far worse for the environment than the lifetime tailpipe emissions from a regular car. One estimate that was quoted in the WSJ said that an EV battery needs to last 75 years to make up for the pollution created by the mining and manufacture of the battery.
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  56. Maybe it was a sports car. Sports cars are pretty hot.
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  57.  @TeaBreak.  We're over a century away from running out of gas. And EVs just ain't good enough now. That's why people have largely stopped buying them in the US and rental agencies are dumping them. And no, it's not about running out of oil, it's about control. That's pretty clear.
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  58.  @seannewman5391  "Big oil are fabulously rich" Far less so than Amazon and Apple, but nobody's complaining about them.
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  59. Net Zero and Energy Security are opposites.
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  60. Tethered to a charger, battery worth more than the car itself, can be turned off by the government with a button push, and every part tracked by big brother. Sign me up.
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  61.  @starpawsy  Lithium is a dead end, as is sodium. Maybe long extension cords are the answer.
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  62.  @erictenbensel6590  No, he's right.
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  63. The level of belief around EVs is now being raised to a religious fervor, and you'll find that true believers will attack anyone who points out why it may not be a completely good idea. One wonders what they think of the people who have purchased an EV and moved back to gas/diesel. If they knew the word apostate it would surely be in their vocabulary.
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  64. It's not unusual when government covers up their own incompetence, particularly around EVs uptake; what we should object to is the media which seems to go along with to the government.
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  65.  @adamfox1669  If you’re 80 and have not helped you should stop breathing our AIr Perhaps if you haven't accomplished anything with your life, you might consider your own advice.
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  66.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  They may know more than bills6093, but its fair to say the politicians saying we'll convert to all electric in 10 years are engaged in magical thinking
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  67. Just for practical purposes, a gas car makes far more sense: 1) Initial purchase price is cheaper (if you want it to be, you can also get ones that are more expensive) 2) You can fill it up anywhere; You don't need a special gas station at home 3) There are millions of mechanics who can do routine maintenance anywhere in the world 4) You can fix it yourself if you need 5) 15 years from now if the engine has an issue, you can get it replaced for under $4K 6) ability to drive thousands of miles in just a couple of days You have to wish the EV buyers well, but you secretly understand they paid more for a less useful car.
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  68.  @sang3Eta  Great historical reference, Yes they were and they enjoyed a heyday in the 1890's despite their lack of range. They were the favorites of the wives of wealthy men because they didn't need to turn the crank to start it. When Cadillac introduced the first car with an electric starter in 1912 electric cars quickly disappeared because gasoline was superior to the lead-acid batteries used in early electric cars. Ironically, gas is still a better energy source than Lithium batteries for cars.
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  69.  @brendykes1202  When you refer to ICE, are you talking about normal cars that are not only inexpensive compared to their EV cars, but can be fully fueled anywhere in the world in 3 minutes and have a 500 mile range? Yeah, these are terrible cars Don't they know that 220 miles is enough range for anybody? And isn't paying $15K to replace a battery just the price of saving the planet? People should literally be singing the joys of EVs as they wait in line to charge them. You meet the nicest people waiting in those lines. In fact those lines are the best part about EV. You can meet a spouse have children with them and about that time, your EV will be charged.
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  70.  @Acemeistre  if EVS got 180 additional miles of range in 100 years, what you're saying is that EVs will have parity with petrol car range in 250 years.
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  71. All that money could have been used to create proper reservoirs in L.A. What a waste of money.
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  72. And better styling, too
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  73.  @muten861  So you're saying it will only work if people charge their vehicles off hours when consumption is low? Because your number for Germany with an additional 12% necessary is based on existing EVs, and EVs are less than 3% of the total fleet of cars. So nothing about your post is very clear.
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  74. The additional cost and complexity of hybrids make them only useful for people who lease and turn them in before the warranty is over.
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  75.  @simonchallenor1006  the difference in EVs is stark though with a 300 mile range going down to 60 miles in some cases. Worse, the recharge time is significant making pulling any sort of trailer impractical with an EV
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  76.  @mechanic2121  Really? Can you name the tax breaks oil companies get that are "far more" than the EV industry? Keep in mind that the actual subsidies to the EV industry are enormous to the manufactures; one study in the US showed that each EV sold has been subsidized by $55K (US) a year. That's more than a really nice sedan costs in the US.
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  77. The best and brightest don't go into government. In fact, quite the opposite.
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  78.  @jamesf3683  That's a local phenomenon. In the US gas is extremely cheap still because we are largely self-sufficient.
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  79. If we wanted to be greener wouldn't we want more CO2 in the atmosphere? After all, the more the plants and trees grow, the more CO2 they sequester.
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  80. I can do a 320 mile journey in 4 hours in an old Honda accord.
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  81.  @my3dviews  By the US (allegedly)
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  82.  @williammeek4078  You are delusional. And they say irony is dead.
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  83. DEI - Didn't Earn It
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  84.  @tigertoo01  Well, her being wrong about the climate is probably the most important fact about her. One has to wonder why sincere belief trumps skepticism ? You can believe in magic with all your heart, but it doesn't make it real. It just makes you a little crazy. But be aware when adults believe wisdom comes from the programmed beliefs of an autistic child, it speaks more to the simple-mindedness of the adults than any imagined wisdom. And I would say the same thing in front of her or her father, even as they screamed "*HOW DARE YOU*" over and over like the crazy people they are.
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  85.  @Acemeistre  That bill is not upgrading generating capacity or transmission capacity nor should it. The power companies are private companies and should not depend on taxpayer largess unless they're going to give us electricity for free. Same for car companies.
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  86.  @lynchetts  "Evs had their day before ICE vehicle were even invented" It's true. In the early part of the 20th century, battery cars were the favorite of the wives wealthy men because they didn't need to be cranked to start. I believe they went out of business in the 1930's when the electric starter became common.
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  87. No. They were simultaneously threatened by governments with ruin and then given cash incentives per vehicles to ease the pain of losing money on each EV. And that's a fact.
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  88.  @sdcoinshooter  Yes, the Mustang EV is a flop. That is inarguable. Ford has a 6 month supply of them, and they've stopped making them.
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  89.  iscadean3607  So you think the Mustang EV is a great car, the only thing it requires is better marketing? Funny stuff.
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  90.  @Ammotive28  The problem with Chinese cars is the same problem with anything from China; they're cheap, they have a lot of features, out of the box they do what they promise, mostly, but they tend to break quite readily, and when you try to get service or parts years later, the manufacturer has changed their name and you can't find a trace of the original company. To make this problem worse, Chinese cars don't even meet the "cheap criteria". They should be selling them for about $10K US, but they're actually pricing them like well-established brands. They have "sucker" stamped all over them.
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  91. 25 year old Honda Accord (was late father's car), runs perfectly, it goes 400+ miles on a tank of gas. Replaced cassette deck/radio with a CarPlay head unit ($200). Great commuter car. Even the A/C still works well. Currently 129,000K miles, cost virtually nothing to run. Even the insurance is less than $300/year.
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  92.  @fmsanc  People get confused because they seem to get more upset they pay $200/month for gas then they do paying $600 a month car payments for an EV. I can't tell you how many times I hear people say silly stuff like I can't afford to pay for gas, so I'm buying an EV for $35K and I'm getting a 72 month loan for it And when you work the math for them, they get stuck on ... but I'm paying for gas now, this will save me in the long run... and you realize most people are economically illiterate.
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  93. When a plane falls out of the sky, it's just fine until it hits the ground.
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  94.  @cda4662  It would have been put out quickly with onboard fire equipment.
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  95.  @TeaBreak.  EVs aren't a bad thing. But they become bad when the government mandates them.
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  96. In the US congress the other day, one of the senators pointed out that implementation of the rebates for EVs was incenting people to buy EVs with Chinese batteries, and he was quite angry about it. It was intended to support the US battery industry, which apparently doesn't really exist.
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  97.  @brendykes1202  You'll need to show the math on that. And take into account battery replacement every 5 years.
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  98.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  electric 'Semi's' also get an extra weight allowance. Great. They'll wear out the roads that much faster. Presumably road use taxes will increase by a factor of 4.
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  99. It's detached from reality. What they're really saying is they don't want you to own a private vehicle. The whole purpose of 15 minute cities is to strip people of their ability to travel at will.
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  100.  @Concorde-AXDN  They've already stopped making them; in fact it appears GM and Ford have both largely dropped EVs in favor of more of the vehicles the American market wants.
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  101. Stallantis is struggling because their prices are too high, and they're pushing EVs over the cars that people actually want.
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  102. He neglected to point out from the article that the trucking companies using EVs are putting huge surcharges on top of fees for using EVs making the price of goods and services even more expensive for everybody.
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  103.  @user-ee9cz6mc1x  Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is being paid by someone else to oppose you. They're probably waiting in a car outside your flat waiting to engage you in an argument as soon as you leave for work.
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  104.  @patrickpanhuysen9618  None. That's the point.
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  105.  @QIKUGAMES-QIKU Do you want to race him on a 700 km long race?
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  106.  @JoeOvercoat  Request denied. I will be jetting all over the planet for the forseeable future.
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  107. The EU just approved the use of bugs in food.
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  108.  @tigertoo01  You might turn your own advice around and be embarrassed that you're making yourself look foolish
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  109.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  Most real estimates say that regular cars and trucks will be the primary source of transportation through the 2050's, and we'll be dependent on oil/gas until the 22nd century. This is an application of practical thinking
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  110. If it was really better, you'd buy it without government subsidies. Perfect example is cell phones. Even though they're far more expensive than land lines, people buy cell phones for $1K a pop, pay $150 a month to use them, and the.... get this... they continue to pay $1K a pop every 3 years to get the latest ones. Because they're demonstrably better in every way.
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  111. EV’s are way overpriced,have absolutely no resale value,require an endless supply of patience and are impossible to repair and virtually impossible to insure Aside from that, it's shocking that everybody isn't clamoring for one.
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  112.  @seannewman5391  Yes, everyone who disagrees with you must be a stooge of big oil or ICE car makers. Because obviously everyone would agree with you about EVs since as you well understand, you are the smartest person you know.
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  113.  @LyuboA  He's already said he is, in fact, they're going to sponsor legislation stopping individual states from banning gas/diesel cars.
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  114. Probably plenty of people objected, but sometimes people keep their head down rather than tell the boss that he's nuts.
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  115.  @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars  These gen-z'ers forget that time is the biggest cost in shipping. It means that it's much more difficult to get vegetables to market when they're still fresh. It means you need to have twice the drivers, it means that you need to have massive charging facilities across thousands of miles of interstates, some of them even without cellular coverage. And the additional weight will push state budgets since roads will wear out faster causing states to raise taxes on trucks as much as 5-10x what they are today.
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  116.  @inverted_real_it_y  They're so expensive, and yet most manufacturers are losing huge sums at the price they're selling for at retail.
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  117. It took ages and some arguing to have it fixed under warranty So much for the theory that you're better off dealing with the manufacturer than the dealer. The dealer has an incentive to get things fixed for you.
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  118. I argued years ago that Carbon Credits were a scam, and people were outraged. So I asked.... who gets the money from carbon credits? And the answer was "it doesn't matter, it's about externalities". It always matters where the money is going. If it's not going to you, it's a scam.
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  119.  @andrewflies9119  wealthy people buy them to show how much they care about the environment.
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  120. ​ @badchefi  Terrific news. Then we can end subsidies, and since they'll be popular, private industry can pick up the cost of chargers everywhere. After all, Tesla's done it, so it would be embarrassing for the entire EV industry if they go begging the taxpayer to build out the charger network. After all, the government didn't build out the filling station network.
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  121.  @davestvwatching2408  That works for people with garages, what about the majority of people who have street or basement parking in an apartment building?
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  122.  @remakeit2628  It's easy to be "massively up" when you start from such a small number. And normal car sales are not collapsing; the problem right now is makers are subsidizing EV sales by raising the price of gas powered cars, making both EVs and normal cars extremely expensive.
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  123.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  Laws are like the seasons, they change all the time. And will.
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  124.  @tigertoo01  why not just accept that she’s put time and effort into studying the affects of climate change is having on our environment Why would we just imagine something to be true, when the facts say otherwise. Unless you're saying that Climate Science is so simple a girl in elementary school can be an expert. You can't have it both ways, either Climate Science requires decades of study in meteorology, statistical methods, and four years of a science undergraduate degree, or you can be autistic girl and become an expert in 3 years as a 13 year old .
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  125.  @ChrisGWarp  but Intra city usage is where it excels So... a milk float. I agree. Jolly fun, especially with the little jingle.
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  126.  @jeffsaxton716  They don't. Every gas station has a standby generator to keep the pumps working. At least in the US.
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  127.  @frednone  Well this is what you get with open borders.
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  128.  @raypalmer7733  Not so much. Emergency generators will run automatically at least once a week and alert the owner if there is an issue, maintenance is someone coming by twice a year to change the oil and filter.
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  129.  @MrSmithUK  Petrol cars don't explode, they burn, and they burn at such a low temperature that a household extinguisher can put them out. EVs cannot be put out once they burn. They simply let it burn itself out.
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  130.  @melissasmess2773  It has not been approved by our FDA
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  131. That issue already exists with all EVs. Or did you think you can get your Tesla serviced anywhere?
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  132.  @jonfrench7133  looks like you have the same attitude to education Have you considered he actually knows more about EVs than you? That seems far more likely.
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  133.  @jonfrench7133  It doesn't keep me happy, but you're fairly un-knowledgable about engineering and cars specifically. Clarkson is a far better source of information than you. That's not even something worth arguing about.
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  134.  @sdcoinshooter  Well, the Teslas are fairly ugly, even if I admire the man who created the first practical EV, Elon Musk. Now, the seamy side of that was that Tesla was built on US Taxpayer subsidies, and they still make a significant part of their margins on money from carbon credits.
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  135.  @vandamonium1731  It had to be sarcasm. Most people understand this is not about cleaner/greener.
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  136. It's a signal that the demand for EV's has been abated, and that's all people are going to buy. It doesn' t mean EVs are bad per se, but it does mean that spending more on an EV than $25K is not in your best interest. In fact, if you want an EV, you should only buy used with a warranty from the manufacturer. I predicted 5 years ago the market for EVs would top out at 5-7% of the total fleet of cars, and it appears I was being optimistic.
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  137. To the point of "fuel savings", my spouse tracks all our spending and our joint fuel costs for the year was $2,000. Insurance was more than that. As I keep pointing out, fuel is one of the smallest costs for running a car.
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  138.  @timsbird1971  Lifetime costs for an EV are not well understood (including depreciation), but right now, the better deal is to buy a gas car and keep it 20 years.
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  139.  @williammeek4078  Does the rash of Chevy Volt fires count? Does the woman killed in fiery Tesla crash on Sunset Boulevard count? Does the loss of the car carrier Fremantle Highway count?
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  140.  @JG-us9lu  Exactly! The point of EV (and they're starting to admit this) is that personal transport will be rare, and only available to the ultra rich. Sweden took away EV subsidies because they don't want people to have cars, they want the population to take public transport.
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  141. That's because of liability. If the insurance company ok's a repair and the car catches fire in the guy's garage, the insurance company owns that liability 100%
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  142.  @teardowndan5364  For a minor accident where a fender may need to be replaced and the battery might need replacement, people (as you say) may refuse to have that replaced. Which may have consequences either through premature failure or a fire. Then we'll have a lot of finger pointing with lawsuits, and one suspects the manufacturers will end up bearing the brunt of it.
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  143. For some people, experience isn't just the best teacher, it's the only teacher for them.
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  144.  @badchefi  or better if you are so smart why don’t you run for office yourself and do a better job A Jelly fish could do better than what we have in the US.
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  145.  @rattusfinkus  Can't trust Toyoda's judgment if he still thinks hydrogen is an option. Hydrogen vehicles are not an option. What area of hydrogen propulsion or hydrogen production do you work in?
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  146.  @rattusfinkus  The first flaw is you have no idea what the future will hold, especially when large companies the world over are spending venture capital on hydrogen. The second flaw is you have less understanding of the situation than the head of Toyota, who gets his information from the engineers who have been assigned to the hydrogen car project(s). I can list more, but I'm trying not to be insulting to you.
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  147.  @jamesf3683  They will, but a (US) gallon of gasoline right now costs about $2.70, primarily because it doesn't have to be shipped via ocean shipping.
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  148.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  lol. Let's make the subsidies voluntary for taxpayers so we don't pay for the fever dreams of the crazies and politicians.
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  149.  @TroySavary  So your hypothesis is that the normal people are pushing for EVs with the same fervor as the crazies?
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  150.  @davidvanderklauw  The only "market" that the government created was for EVs.
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  151.  @freethinker4991  EV fanatics use that talking point about EVs, but here's the reality: When an Internal Combustion car catches fire, it can be put out using extinguishers when if they catch it early or lots of water from the fire department later. Or worst case they let it burn out in 30 minutes When an EV car, just a car, catches fire, there is no way to put it out ; it burns hot enough to melt steel and destroy concrete. You can't even dump it in a lake to put it out, because it creates its own oxygen. Now imagine a vehicle with batteries 10x as powerful as an EV catch fire. It will be disaster for an entire community. So it's not just about how frequently it happens, it's about the impact when it happens.
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  152.  @badchefi  If you're "huffing fumes", there's something wrong with your automobile.
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  153.  @lot2196  7 public EV chargers after hundreds of billions of dollars. Like most government spending bills, they're essentially just crapping money hoping something good will happen.
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  154. That's the great thing about choice. There's a vehicle for everybody.
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  155. ICE.... Interesting Cars for Everyone
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  156.  @rattusfinkus  Repeating this post actually makes your argument less cogent.
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  157.  @Michael-jx9bh It's not "technology" that makes Chinese stuff cheaper, its cheaper labor, yes. But when you buy Chinese goods, generally the "technology" that they use is cheaper materials and lack of support after the first months. If you're going to buy a Chinese car, it better better be around $10K or else you'll never get parts, and if there is a costly recall, the company simply goes bankrupt and opens up the next day with a different name.
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  158.  @williammeek4078  Quite the reverse. A gasoline fire burns at 800 C, and will certainly burn itself up if given a chance. Fortunately if you have a fire extinguisher with you, it can be extinguished. By contrast, an EV fire burns at 3800 C and will melt steel that is too close to the car. And there is no practical way to extinguish it.
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  159. ​@hokroeger I just think it's hilarious to imagine someone putting a 30,000 dollar motor in an old Ferrari It is preposterous and it doesn't happen unless it's an historically important model, like a Ferrari 335 Sport Scaglietti, Ferrari 250 GTO, or a Ferrari 290 Mille Miglia.
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  160.  @AlanWilliams-su4bs  Why would the San Francisco car agencies rent cars if there was insufficient chargers to satisfy their customers? Does it seem odd to you that you need to "do [...] research" before renting a car? Where would one check if chargers were oversubscribed? Shouldn't the agency tell you that ?
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  161.  @jonfrench7133  Hardly an oracle, simply more informed than you. As I said, that's undeniable.
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  162.  @brianbarcroft9167  How many kilometers do you drive daily on average?
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  163. While that's true, it's the way EVs can keep you warm without using up their precious battery charge
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  164.  @DemiGod..  Yes, but often as the batteries age, and road debris and minor accidents compromise the structure of the battery they are no longer water tight. It's why insurance companies routinely write off EV with minor damage because the risk of a compromised battery isn't worth the liability to the inrance company.
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  165.  @Luka_3D  Having a car and roads to travel on is liberating. It means that you can go anywhere you want anytime you want without "papers please" or applying for a license to go places. It means that if there is a better job on the other side of the continent, you can rent a van, put your belongings in a van and move to the other side of the continent.
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  166.  @williammeek4078  They're still all first generation. Generations of cars usually include significant upgrades in forms of new technology. What we're seeing now is refinement to the electric cars that were made almost 10 years ago. By the 2nd generation, EVs need to be so good that (1) it is better in every meaningful measurement than a gas car (range, charge time, resistance to cold and heat) (2) Cheaper than the cars they replace and (3) no longer needs taxpayer money to subsidize buyers.
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  167.  @williammeek4078  Ah, but the problem with lithium batteries is they can't put out if they catch on fire. You can push them into a lake, and they still burn.
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  168.  @TroySavary  EVs don't take ho[u]rs to charge, unless you mean the slower charging at home Every EV advocate says that's what they do. Are you saying most people go to public chargers?
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  169.  @romanpolanski4928  In the US it's the same issue for the same reason. It's a big continent, and Americans like to travel. In the US most people are coming to the conclusion that EVs are meant to limit travel, which is a dream of the left.(lol on your name)
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  170.  @gerbre1  To expand that quite a bit, the west is not the main cause of pollution; it is the far east, and if Europe and the US stopped using all oil, it would have no impact on the climate.
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  171. Net Zero is silly even in principle. It means that you pay a company to (in theory) set aside land in the Amazon and they pinky swear that they'll never cut down the trees on that land. What could possibly go wrong?
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  172.  @lewisheasman  They are subatomic particles though.
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  173. As pointed out multiple times, Consumer Reports (a major consumer/testing magazine in the US) does an annual survey of owners for cars for what's broken, and it turns out that EVs are not particularly bad at reliability, but they're not particularly good at reliability. Mid-pack at best compared with normal cars. The most reliable brands are Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, Subaru, Mazda and a few others.
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  174.  @alasdair4161  The other alternative is california just made their supply chain much worse as companies pull back if they don't believe they can be profitable. California has lost a lot of taxpayers and businesses to Texas over the last 5 years. If that exodus continues, the entire state will be hollowed out, which won't be good for anybody but the owner of Panera.
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  175.  @TroySavary  Yes, there is a range reduction There's more than that. The battery can't be charged when it's cold, and for people who don't live in houses with garages (which is most of the population), and cannot charge at home, then yes, it's a huge problem. Last year in in the midwest hundreds of driver were stranded waiting for chargers that never were freed up because they ran out of battery waiting for slower charging times. Your argument tells us that you live in an area has mild winters, you charge in your garage, and never have to deal with the debacle of public chargers in the cold. You add 2-3 feet of snow to that mix and you might as well put park an EV for the winter while you bring your second car that can run in weather that's 20 below zero.
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  176.  @VerladT 20 years minimum, and that assumes someone develops a battery at 2-5x the current energy density of LiOn batteries of today within the next 5 years.
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  177.  @OM617a  Yes, turns out they're subject to the same laws of supply and demand as every other company in the history of the earth
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  178.  @SioxerNikita  I'm sure that's your opinion, but without data, it remains your opinion, nothing more. " they have to build off-ramps for safety..." Only in steep descents and its generally for human error when people overload these large trucks. You'll note they're rarely used.
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  179.  @geirvinje2556  From a total-life perspective, petrol cars are less damaging to the environment than EVs
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  180.  @KirkHermary  how often do fuel tanks burn during ICE fires Exactly! General petrol car fires start in the engine compartment due to either an accident or poor maintenance. Plus Lithium batteries burn at over 5x the temperature of petrol fires.
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  181. Would you let the old guy drive a car?
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  182.  @badchefi  ....which gets passed onto the buyer of the car by raising the price.
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  183.  @thehairygolfer  He's repeating talking points. Mostly rubbish.
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  184.  @davestvwatching2408  Since Hybrids are cheaper, and work better, that might be a better solution than EVs since it requires no additional investment beyond the cars themselves.
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  185.  @simonchallenor1006  You have to look at debt versus cashflow. Toyota revenues continue to rise 10% a year, which is amazing in what is a mature market. Toyota can easily manage that debt, and as they shift to a significant investment in hybrids, what you're going to see is that Toyota will sell more hybrid cars than all EV sales combined.
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  186.  @lordgarion514  but governments [taxpayers] around the world have been spending billions of dollars No, taxpayers haven't been spending, it's mandates on car companies that the consumers have been forced to support, not taxpayers (although there is overlap). Government produces nothing of value by themselves.
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  187.  @lukeclifton4392  They replaced his blinker fluid and refreshed his piston return springs. Those two are major service items.
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  188.  @chowchow2386  Well, the roaches and mice don't seem to be deterred by this stuff. So your hypothesis is interesting, but apparently not supported by reality.
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  189.  @chowchow2386  It's irrelevant if they're poisonous to humans, because human's aren't eating the wires. But mice and bugs are. So whatever you're trying to demonstrate, reality is disagreeing with you.
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  190. EV lovers always forget that all gasoline filling stations have diesel generators that kick in automatically and are able to pump fuels until they run out of fuel themselves (although smart owners will use the generator to fuel their generators).
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  191.  @redevic5292  This is the short run. In the long run, ports will move to other areas, including Mexico, making it California an even worse place for the people who remain.
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  192.  @teardowndan5364  recorded history Recorded history is roughly the last 80 years, meaning that although we have good records from Romans, they did not possess thermometers nor did they keep any sort of weather technology or even thought to carefully record temperatures. By contrast, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, meaning that we're looking at 1.777777777777778e-11% of the planets history and coming to a conclusion that the last 20 years is an aberration.
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  193.  @hiflyer000  You can't honestly say with a straight face all of our agricultural, industrial, and scientific activities over the past 100+ years has had zero effect on the planet Without data you have no basis for that belief. You have a feeling, but that's about it.
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  194. Sources indicate the government(s) in the US, taxpayers are subsidizing each EV to the tune of $55,000 USD. Which means the real cost of EVs is generally about double what the sticker price is.
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  195.  @ChrisGWarp  "Need to start somewhere, and the grids are planned 10-15+ years out" That will only happen with significant subsidies, something that is unlikely to happen
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  196.  @DouglasLippi  Pretty sure that most gas stations have a diesel generator for such contingencies.
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  197.  @davidvanderklauw  Well, the US is pretty much self-sufficient when it comes to oil, so there's that.
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  198.  @paulsimpson8990  Probably not. They could've chosen an EV now, but they didn't because of range considerations. When EVs can charge up fully in 5 minutes, and chargers go up by 3 orders of magnitude in place outside of cities, and the price of EVs comes down by 50% (and not chinese cars). Then sure, people will be more interested.
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  199.  @mrbig7718  Sometimes on older cars if the fuel system leaks under the hood and drips on the exhaust manifold a fire can result as well, but these would be poorly maintained vehicles.
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  200. The head of Toyota is wrong; in most people's lifetime, we won't see battery vehicles as anything more than 7% of the overall mix of vehicles because of cost and practicality.
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  201. You'd have to see the irony of a fire truck being more of a hazard than the fire it's there to put out.
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  202.  @hokroeger They don't want you.
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  203.  @chrismuller2780  the grid itself is becoming irrelevant You may be right about this, but that day is probably a century away. This is an example of magical thinking .
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  204.  @davidparker7920  Most of it isn't "nonsense", it's just that your use case is different than other people. If all you do is go to the market; maybe an occasional afternoon drive to the country with your EV, they make a lot of sense. For others not so much. And it's not that EVs are bad, new technology is always interesting, but it's not for everybody, and certainly what's been produced to date is all first generation stuff with a lot of compromises versus petrol/diesel cars. Surely it will get better and cheaper. And that's the point that it will be worth buying. But not today.
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  205.  @Hitstirrer  You are happy to spend getting on for £100 filling your car Well, closer to £31 in the US
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  206.  @brianbarcroft9167  What the hell has it got to do with you Not sure if that is a British-ism, but you bragged that you don't even have to charge very much, so I asked how many miles do you drive a day. Because your claim can't be evaluated unless we know how much you actually drive. I have a gas EV that only has to be filled up every 2 months. That is a true statement, but by saying that I am begging the questions of daily use and how much I drive per day on average.
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  207.  iscadean3607  If your gas cars are smelly and smoking it sounds like you didn't do proper maintenance on them. Even my wife knows maintenance is necessary on her car.
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  208.  @GrandChessboard  Reagan said it would "trickle down" one day... Electricity isn't going up because of deregulation, it's going up because government regulations that they must use "renewable" energy even if it's more expensive.
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  209.  @bezza4271  that's true although it's cheaper to replace a gas engine than the battery on an EV
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  210.  @DanThomas-n1e  California bought into the whole green thing and now the state is falling apart.
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  211. An EV is the politicians way to send us a message that this is the age of diminished expectations.
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  212.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  " In 2022 the oil, gas and coal industries received $7 trillion in subsidies globally." Can you list those subsidies? Or is this something you just read someplace without attribution. Lithium mining is really bad for the environment. So much so that I it would be better if we stopped doing it. It's bad for the water supply, it does terrible things to the environment where it's often strip mined, and most of that damage happens to poor, 3rd world countries.
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  213. wait... we're supposed to turn off the A/C in the summer? and turn off the seat heater in winter? This is the future? Paying more to get less?
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  214. No-one asked the customers what they wanted A sure path to bankruptcy.
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  215.  @strypzee  unless we........well, you know Yes. Vote them out find candidates who don't support the madness.
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  216.  @sithseven  I love when you try to use science and you miss the point. You get an "E" for effort, sir. Generally gasoline in cars catches fire because of a flaw in the fuel system (e.g. fuel line dripping fuel on a hot manifold); most of these fires happen while the vehicle is operating, and they burn at roughly 800 C which will surely burn up the car unless you or someone around you has a fire extinguisher. The difference is with an EV fire is that it can happen at any time, with no warning or as a byproduct of an accident (which is most common) there's no practical way to put it out. Even immersing the entire car in a lake will not put the fire out. So when an EV catches fire, not only does it burn, it burns at a temperature of almost 2800 C meaning that it will start to melt steel in proximity and cause secondary fires So while the incidence of fire in EVs is far less, the consequences of an EV fire is significantly worse.
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  217. Not a fan of the cybertruck (a few people have them in my area... they are friggin ugly), but that's how bullet-proof glass is supposed to react to a heavy weight.
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  218.  @eclark9965  Most do not weight 2 tons. A Camry weigh 3,300 pounds. A Honda Accord weighs 3,200 pounds. That's the sweet spot of the market. By contrast, a Tesla Y weighs 4,416 lbs, A model X weighs 5,390 lbs, a model 3 two motors weights 4,000 pounds. EVs are porky because of the heavy lithium batteries. They wear out their tires much faster. This is well documented. And the tires are expensive, far more expensive than the tires for an Accord or Camry.
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  219.  @davidvanderklauw  He's right. Manufacturers are raising the price of IC cars to subsidize the losses on EVs. In the US, even with a total subsidy estimated at $55K (US) per vehicle, they're still too expensive.
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  220. we have the wrong kinds of people in government, and as we're the voters, we're at fault. Put business men and women in charge of government, and we'd have far more rational policy.
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  221.  @paul756uk2  Not just government mandates, 100's of Billions of dollars (if not trillions) for government picking a technology. When has government ever chosen the "right" technology for consumers?
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  222. They will know to fire at the EV batteries on these cars.
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  223.  @evfactsnotliesplease  According to reliability reports, Toyota hybrids are the most reliable car in the industry regardless of propulsion type. Most EVs are mid-pack in terms of reliability.
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  224.  @TeaBreak.  "Electricity is all around us and easily obtained" Only at home. You cannot drive into a shopping center and get electricity unless someone specifically makes it available to you, which is uncommon. If it is made available, there is a long wait because you need to wait upwards of 2-3 hours if the chargers are busy, and that doesn't include your own charging time. By contrast, there are gas stations everywhere, they always work because they have backup diesel generators, and you you can pay by cash if you wish to be anonymous or you can pay by card. You fill up in literally 2.5 minutes and commonly you get ranges of 400-500 miles. If you forget to fill up on the way back from work, you can fill up in the morning on the way to work. Which means that if I'm commuting I fill up once every 2-3 weeks. EVs are for people who don't really value their time or the flexibility to take 500 mile trips in your car to visit national parks or other cities.
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  225.  @notme1488tp  Musk even said the subsidies for EVs must be stopped.
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  226.  @my3dviews  California has been given a special exemption by the EPA to have their own pollution standards. The president can stop that exemption.
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  227.  @raypalmer7733  The chinese evs so far are not price competitive either. You'd only buy a Chinese EV is there were less than $10K US because you know two things will be true: 1) The support will be poor 2) Parts availability after 5 years will be non-existent.
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  228.  @robri87-hh4gr  "Most modern cars dont have a handbrake. It's electric." "most"? "some" is a better adverb here.
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  229.  @derekcable  Making that the default mode is silly. When you drive the car you are the captain of the ship. It should do exactly what you want it to do.
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  230.  @derekcable  That's completely untrue. Most cars with these types of nannies let you turn them off. The reality is most cars don't have these types of nannies.
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  231. There are no real "longer-range" EVs because the weight of the lithium batteries rises much quicker than the range it produces making it a losing proposition. It's why EVs are engineered around a 380-450 km range which is optimal from a weight/cost/range standpoint. That will not increase significantly until a new battery chemistry is developed.
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  232. Especially when you can buy a Honda Civic for $20K new and it will run for two decades.
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  233.  @bikersoncall  Mostly because of a fuel leak dripping on the exhaust headers.
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  234. Nice.
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  235.  @mguytv  Well, depends on what you mean "best". VHS was better in consumer eyes because it could get 6 hours on a single tape, which is what most consumers wanted.
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  236. Maybe they used low-flashpoint steel and aluminum in the bus and a stray cigarette butt made the whole bus go up. Could happen, right?
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  237. In the US, the government has built 7 chargers after two years. We should have the 50,000 chargers promised in approximately 14,285 years.
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  238. There is a certain reluctance of EV owners to admit the charging networks need to make a profit to continue to operate.
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  239.  @kallekas8551  Do you not see the contradiction You used the word contradiction . It does not mean what you think it means.
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  240.  @badchefi  Well, an apple trade-in if an apple trade-in was €60K
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  241.  @johnrosner8964  It is, however, a main component of modern electric motor technology.
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  242. Liberals will be liberals. Pure emotion, driven by rage. And of course, they see their consumer choices as a way to signal their virtue and feel superior to other people.
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  243.  @CynthiaRockroth  You can't make it mandatory for multi-story flats in cities, the roof area won't begin to support the needs of these buildings.
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  244.  @terjeoseberg990  In reverse they make the weird whirring sound. On purpose.
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  245.  @mechanic2121  So you can't name a single tax break the oil companies get that any other industry doesn't get, but you're sure I'm a paid by Exxon. Do you always just talk in slogans?
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  246.  @badchefi  Well, only the banana boat ones.
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  247. If people had to pay the actual cost of developing and building EV's the cost of most of them would be about $120K
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  248.  iscadean3607  According to the WSJ, we're shutting down more electric production in the country right now than we're creating due to these types of regulations. They also point out that for solar and wind, whatever the generation capacity is, you can only ever count on it producing at 50%, so if you're replacing a 2 megawatt coal plant you need a 4 megawatt solar array.
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  249.  @williammeek4078  Not in the US. They've plateaued. Ford and GM have effectively shut down EV production. These are first gen products still and will be until they get rid of the problematic lithium batteries.
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  250.  @williammeek4078  Well, they are abandoning it. GM and Ford have "paused" EV manufacturing. To put it in PC terms, this is equivalent of 1971 for personal computers. The time horizon that seems likely for wholesale change to EV is probably 30 years away after they've solve the significant problems with this generation. If you like your EV, nobody is stopping you from enjoying it. And there's nothing that's been written here that most people would find even a little controversial.
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  251.  @donmab  "Electric Viking" It sounds like a brand of high-end stove
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  252.  @rattusfinkus  As they roll out commercially, gasoline stations can be converted to support gasoline, diesel and hydrogen, since the refueling time for a hydrogen car will be similar to that of normal cars.
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  253.  @gerbre1  My house is quite efficient, actually, I have multiple heating systems, one of them a heat pump, it's meh
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  254.  @wrongthinker843  Correct! Gasoline burns, it doesn't explode. To make it explode it has to be gasoline vapor combined with oxygen. EVs supply their own oxygen when they burn making it impossible to put out if they catch fire.
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  255.  @ruttspeed  Why don't petrol stations have backup generators? That's quite common in the US.
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  256.  @dizzydella1  Instant beer is a better concept though.
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  257.  @dizzydella1  Better to be quiet and thought a fool than to post what you've been posting and remove all doubt.
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  258.  @starpawsy  Awesome. They can use those legendary chinese nuclear batteries.
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  259.  @Titan-5858  When are talking about? There's been no reports of gas stations running out of fuel in the eastern US this winter.
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  260.  @Tom-pt3jf  Examined by whom? A high school drop out? By financial people who want to understand how a company can make a profit. By customers who want to understand what an EV does that a gas car cannot do.
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  261. Every week, we hear about a "breakthrough" from a "lab" for a completely new type of "battery" that within the year will surpass gasoline as a fuel for car. And you feel like a killjoy when you point out that the time from lab to being placed into a car will take at least a decade, probably longer, assuming that costs are low and full-scale production is simple.
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  262. So... any month that ends in a "Y" are not good months for EVs?
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  263. 100% organic children, too.
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  264.  @davereiland9921  It's not conservatives demanding we switch to EVs to "save the planet", so this is really all on liberals so they can tell people they're saving the planet.
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  265. In roughly 2008 in the United States.
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  266.  @tigertoo01  She's unqualified to do any science. She's unqualified to do any mathematics at more than a grade school level. If she was given data or was provided with a research paper, she couldn't understand any of it. She's telling us about her feelings. If that means something to you fine, but the world frankly doesn't care about you or some other kid's feelings. Feelings are meaningless
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  267.  @robertgreen9614  Amazing, but true, temps can go do to -50F there.
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  268.  @ferrumignis  Likely because to charge the battery fully it would take 12 hours.
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  269.  @davidparker7920  Well, people in the US are looking for closer to 730km of range. I love France, love the people and the culture, but its a very different country in terms of distances between places. So what works for you will never really be accepted in the US. As for "smelly pumps", perhaps the owners of the petrol stations are not good at cleaning things?
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  270.  @jeremyashford2145  If you can't pay the money they take the house "You will own nothing and be happy" ---Signed the Evil Klaus Schwab Not a slogan, an aspiration.
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  271. Well there you go. It's not the car's fault, it's the earth's fault for having hills.
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  272.  @kevinashurst634  Interesting, although most Merc EVs are in the $100,000 and up range, aren't they? At least the ones on the lots that you can actually buy. the ignorance displayed on this channel Yes, I agree. A lot of people believe that because an EV works for them, that any discussions of the shortcomings are simply ignorance on their part. Isn't that weird?
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  273.  @geirvinje2556  Well, that makes sense though. The world depends on oil. In fact without oil, we'd be running civilization like the 1850's, with all of us using whale oil lamps, and huddling around fireplaces for warmth. The reality is ships, transport (long distance and local), heating houses, trains, farm equipment, can cars, largely depends on oil. So keeping oil cheap is the key to keeping the cost of all goods and services down.
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  274.  @geirvinje2556  Well, virtual every gas station has a backup diesel generator, which works well, since they can use the diesel in their own tanks to stay open for significant periods of time. You must live in the boondocks if gas stations can't survive without the grid.
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  275.  @KidHorn7001  Every automated pump, you go inside and you give them money and they program the pump to stop when it hits the amount you asked for. You sound like a guy who doesn't believe this, but next time you're filling up your car, note the pump number, walk inside the the gas station, hand the clerk a $20 and say "twenty dollars worth on pump 3 [or whatever pump]"
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  276. @ you don’t need to charge in 5 minutes Generally when you replace an older technology with a newer one, the newer one should be better in all aspects. EVs aren't nearly there yet. I have spent probably 5-10 hours fast charging on long trips but again I am not waiting for be car but eating or using the toilet A step backwards, and not suitable for large numbers of people in the US who regularly travel large number of miles at high speed (80MPH for hours on end). There's often nothing for hundreds of miles, not even filling station.
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  277.  @scaryfakevirus  Math to him is like a cross to a vampire. These kids throwing around the word science can't even define science.
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  278.  @Mrbfgray  How do you get the EV up to the roof? Meanwhile, generators are a thing.
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  279.  @GlowingTube  In terms of tech hype cycles, we've gone from the peak of inflated expectations to the trough of disillusionment.
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  280.  @AndrewTSq  Military vehicles today already solve those problems through proper shielding of electronics. The problem becomes significantly more difficult if the entire vehicle needs to be armored to prevent the battery from taking your own soldiers out, and you need to encase every bit of electronics in an EV. We don't even need to get into the cost and feasibility because this has the mark of boondoggle all over it.
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  281.  @jonfrench7133  It doesn't help me at all. It's pretty obviously that EVs are inferior to normal cars in every way. You seem a bit unraveled by it though.
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  282.  @brianbarcroft9167  It's not controversial, you just didn't give enough context. You could a a retired guy who drives to the market once a week. In the US most EV owners have them as 2nd cars to either commute or go to the supermarket. But they still want an automobile that can do the 400-500 miles easily and then be refueled in 2-3 minutes.
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  283.  @badchefi  So you're suggesting that it's okay to lithium batteries for throwaway devices. Which is completely rational. You've identified the correct use case for lithium batteries.
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  284. If we're going to save the earth, accept the fact that you'll have nothing and be happy, whether you like it or not.
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  285.  @redbaron6805  You do understand that every EV built has a remote kill switch, right? So yes, the government can control when you're allowed to use your EV.
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  286.  @KidHorn7001  EV production costs are going to drop far below ICE car production costs Well, so far that hasn't happened. Can you give us a rough idea when that might happen?
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  287.  @KidHorn7001  It has not been happening. That's the point. Based on features and class, gasoline cars are far cheaper than EVs today. Just go into any dealership that sells both and the price is right there to see.
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  288.  @fmsanc  That's after you've had to spend thousands replacing the gear box, exhaust system and possible a new engine Most people never experience that. It's so extraordinary when an engine fails that you tend to remember it. In fact most cars go 15-20 years with nothing more than routine maintenance.
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  289.  @zwieseler  lol. That's funny.
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  290. @ It's going to be used to pay down the deficit and eventually the debt. And it's about time.
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  291.  @sullivanrachael  This is already happening. It's why they're trying to shut down the Dutch farmers who are the most efficient on earth.
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  292.  @alanm.4298  However, there is no info whether or not EVs were involved in those fires It would be useful to understand the number of new regular cars that spontaneously combust while aboard a ship or in a dealer lot, particularly since the manufacturers don't fill up the fuel tank on these cars (which would be the primary way these cars will ignite).
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  293. The government feels it is important to track everything you do. And why wouldn't we want to be embraced by the loving bosom of an all-knowing all-powerful government?
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  294.  @sheepyracing2774  Pointing out flaws is not demonizing.
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  295.  @scruffscruffeton986  It has been in the teens in the mid-atlantic region of the US for an extended period (roughly about -9C) and if this keeps up even more people won't believe in the climate religion.
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  296.  @TroySavary  Let me spell out the exact circumstances that happened last year: 1) People in cities can't charge at home 2) Temps were in the teens, and range was much shorter than they expected 3) thousands of people did the same thing 4) So thousands of people all went to the public chargers at the same time. 5) Most people wanted their cars filled up because of #2 above 6) which took 40-60 minutes+ in the cold 7) Batteries were getting into that trouble range of <20% charge 8) Batteries ran out completely in that circumstance. 9) with the batteries being outside in the cold, it was a catch-22. The batteries couldn't pre-heat so they couldn't charge. 10) So hundreds of people's EVs were stranded and needed to be towed to a warmer place to charge.
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  297.  @robertthomas7176  Note that EVs are designed to only last 15 years. This is not a fault as far as governments and manufacturers are concerned, this is a feature
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  298. As Ronald Reagan said decades ago, "The most terrifying words in the English language is 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you' "
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  299.  @EllieMaes-Grandad  hahaha dang, I wrote the same thing before I saw yours. Yes, in the US we have at least elected someone who wants to help us by lowering taxes and improving our ability to grow our economy rather than our government.
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  300.  @thomasdragosr.841  Imagine living in a tiny one room flat, with a hot plate, a small bed, sounds of neighbors above and below. And for recreation you have to walk 4 blocks over and get to sit in a park with 100 other people. If you remember an old show called "The Prisoner" (brilliant show), that's what the WEF envisions for all of us.
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  301. Nicely played!
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  302. People don't understand that Tesla uses a tablet computer because it's significantly cheaper than designing and building a proper user interface to operate the car. And it's weird that people who understand it's dangerous to operate a phone while driving will accept using a mobile device to operate the car.
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  303.  @arcadeuk  Wow. Almost all car warranties are transferable. So that explains why used EVs have such poor resale, even for almost new cars.
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  304.  @TroySavary  Anyone can see your FUD about EVs is all lies Here's no lies. EVs cost significantly more than their equivalent gas/diesel competition and are inferior in every way including TCO, utility and resale price.
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  305.  @WeeShoeyDugless  re: it's okay to take an EV through water These kinds of statements are made by people make who have never been out of a city with their automobile.
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  306. ​ @badchefi  In a vehicle like this, every pound you use for armor and batteries means less rounds of ammo, weapons, and carrying capacity for soldiers. What problem is this solving?
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  307.  @BoxxArt  Are you upset they didn't? Because there really is no climate crisis.
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  308.  @brendykes1202  Can you point to an operator who over a 5 year period has saved money with EV trucks?
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  309.  @thetowndrunk988  The rules are 11 hours within a 14 hour window And here's the deal. The truck doesn't stay with the driver. A new driver takes the truck. So like any asset, companies want these assets to run 24x7 or else they're not generating revenue. Diesel engines can work 24x7 with only a 15 minute delay to refuel. If you have to spend 5-10 hours charging these behemoths, you're making them 33% less efficient right off the bat.
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  310.  @seannewman5391  Most governance is corrupt though. Name one income distribution plan that isn't corrupt.
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  311. Net Zero has always been a talking point. To get to net zero without tricks like carbon credits (which are silly and ridiculous), it means we have to go back to a 19th century lifestyle.
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  312. From Twitter: Today, I see that Audi is doing a massive U-turn on electric vehicles. They are DROPPING their earlier goal of only producing electric vehicles by 2026. Instead they will continue to produce cars that run on fossil fuels . Reality strikes the first German car maker.
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  313. It's good to have a tiny sports car; it keep you young in many ways.
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  314. Is this really a surprise? Ford pretty much telegraphed this move in December. They have over a 100 day supply. The funny part about this is when the Ford EV car debuted a couple years ago, every EV friendly reviewer was telling how good it was, Ford had a home run etc etc etc. Two years later the same reviewers are admitting it's a terrible car. Which means that fanatics will never tell you the truth, because they believe in the concept so deeply that they believe that it's their duty to convince you to buy an EV no matter how poor it is.
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  315.  @williammeek4078  Unlikely A used model 3 at this point is worth about $12K. Primarily because it's a fairly stripped down car, terrible interior ergonomics, has a huge liability since you have no idea if the battery was treated correctly by the former owner(s).
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  316.  @badchefi  so first, you must realize that $20,000 US is about $31,000 NZ. Second, gas is $3 US a gallon but in New Zealand, a gallon of gas is the equivalent of about $11.50 US, and at that price a Honda Civic will use about $950 US a year or about $11,500 NZ a year. So over 20 years, gas will cost about $18,000 US or $218,500 NZ because of your government gas taxes (this assumes an average driving of 11,000 US miles per year) The cost of a new model 3 Tesla in NZ is $66,900 NZ or $43,000 US So in the US when you run the numbers against a Civic, the Tesla 3 makes no sense economically, and there's no way that Tesla 3 will make it to 20 years.
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  317.  @williammeek4078  There's a cult for everything these days.
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  318.  @Hogger280 But consumers valued longer tape times, and Beta was slow to react to get to 6 hour tape times. This isn't speculation, there have been numerous studies and books that have confirmed this.
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  319.  @suecharnock9369  In the US it's been the government that's been paying the bill to develop them, build the battery plants and paying manufacturers the equivalent of a hidden $50K subsidy on every EV.
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  320.  @paradiselost9946  Musk is doing a great job. I can see you don't like him, but you need to get over yourself.
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  321. Just got the latest consumer reports on reliability of cars, and it turns out that Tesla is only mid-pack (and slightly below average) not just for EVs but cars in general. The most reliable cars are what you'd expect: 1. Lexus at 79 2. Toyota (including their hybrids) at 76 3. Mini (!) at 71 4. Honda at 70 5. Subaru at 69 6. Mazda at 67 [...] 13. Infiniti at 47 14. Tesla at 43 15. Ram (pickup) at 15 CR notes that EVs tend to have 79% more problems than traditional, gas powered cars. They also tested real-world range of EVs: Of the 22 EVs we have tested so far, nearly half fell short of their EPA-estimated ranges when driven at highway speeds. We found the biggest difference in range with the Ford F-150 Lightning pickup truck: Its battery ran out after just 270 miles—*a 50-mile difference from the EPA estimate*. A few luxury sedans also fell short: The Lucid Air missed its advertised 384-mile range by 40 miles. Our Tesla Model S has an EPA range of 405 miles, but we found it was good for only 366 miles of highway driving.
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  322.  @daydreamer8373  Unlikely. How does it "pay for itself"? Explain your math.
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  323.  @oldbloke204  Floods and power outages will mean that you can't access fuel and roads will be just as impassable whatever vehicle that you have Most filling stations in the US have generators, and we have lots of Jeeps and similar vehicles (not to mention farm equipment). That's how we recover from storms, gas or diesel generators, 4x4's, chainsaws (2 stroke gas powered), and then after the cleanup takes place, and the power comes back on, then you can charge your EV.
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  324.  @petergosney6433  "ALL cars on the roads are subsidised in one way or another. " Name the biggest subsidy that all cars get.
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  325.  @georgebeare8883  That's interesting. In the US the press has generally followed the government lead in claiming EV are the way to go, even enthusiasts magazines are now touting green. What I've noticed is that "authorities" in the US will show that a gas/diesel car has $5-7K in maintenance costs in the first five years. I own several cars and I've never had anything close to those costs. In fact, the total bill for three cars made since 2014 has been somewhere around $1,500 and that includes oil changes. Further, they use statistics like "the average gas/diesel cars lasts a decade", which is obviously false. The average age of a car in the US is 12.2 years , and assuming a somewhat normal distribution, it means that gas/diesel powered cars are actually quite roadworthy for at least two decades. It's madness.
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  326.  @mechanic2121  Freedom is pretty clear... being able to say or print whatever you want, being able to go wherever you want, and mostly being free from government interference in your daily life.
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  327.  @mechanic2121  The guy who has an EV that the government can shut down with a command. That's a pretty easy question to answer.
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  328.  @mickjoebills  It's not the number, it's the difficulty in putting an EV fire out. How would put out the fire if your EV caught fire in the garage?
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  329.  @williammeek4078  It was only 10 years ago that EVs were practical, let's give it a little time, since EVs seem to be stuck in the 300 miles of range should be good enough for anybody mindset.
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  330.  @geirvinje2556  Can you name any of these subsidies?
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  331.  @badchefi  Marius is correct. Unless you live in a house with a driveway, there's no opportunity to charge at home.
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  332. I would love to get a Ford Bronco (one of the new ones) with a 4cyl diesel and a manual transmission and a big fuel tank, but alas, Ford is really making it for urban cowboys.
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  333. @VladimirPutin-cz5zy They solved that with EFI and the ECU.
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  334.  @gerbre1  The battery in any EV isn't enough to power even a fraction of my home, and certainly not more than a few hours.
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  335.  @WeeShoeyDugless  If you live around a lake or waterway, you're probably going to be towing your boat quite a bit.
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  336.  @dizzydella1  instant torque is a marketing term, roughly the equivalent of GM calling their automatic transmissions "TurboHydraMatic". What it refers to is that an electric motor of any type (even the one in your office fan) generates the same torque regardless of the RPM of the shaft, which you'd know if you were any kind of engineer.
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  337.  @dizzydella1  what about linear acceleration Not happening with an EV, they're too heavy, and like everything they are subject to Newton's first law of motion and air resistance. The big issue is wind resistance which becomes significant as a car goes above 70 MPH. In general, the force produced by air drag is proportional to the square of the speed of the car. So, there is 4 times as much air drag created at 60 mph as there is created at 30 mph. Interesting trivia, on average, gas powered cars have a faster top speed than the average EV because the transmission in a car can trade torque for horsepower.
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  338.  @dizzydella1  Most people have a job they need to get to. So apparently you believe they're the ideal car for retired people with no hobbies?
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  339.  @dizzydella1  What a weird comment.
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  340.  @dizzydella1  All gas cars are powered by the sun.
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  341.  @dizzydella1  Neither has linear acceleration. The closest you'll get to that are top fuel dragster which has 8,000 lb/ft of torque and roughly 11,000 horsepower, but like all things in the universe are governed by the laws of physics, and unfortunately entropy.
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  342.  @Eidolon1andOnly  Also in California, the geography was responsible for trapping air pollution between mountain ranges and it would settle into the valleys. In the 1960's it became acute and so California had to do something about the particulates trapped in the air. But now the government in CA is bat ***t crazy out, plumbing the depths of stupidity in a way that has actually driven people and businesses out of a place that has an absolutely perfect climate, beauty abounding everywhere, and a wealth of natural resources. People deserve who they vote for though.
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  343.  @Tom-dt4ic  William is not lying. He's simply using a sample size of one.
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  344.  @maifantasia3650  Those of us representing the Kerosene lobby need equal time. They used kerosene in the Stanley Steamers (which were very green) and it's a fuel we need to get back to if we're going to solve the climate.
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  345.  @jamesvandamme7786  We conjure it, much like how we conjure climate crisis.
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  346. The point of EVs is to make cars too expensive for the middle class and limit the mobility of people who can afford them.
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  347. They still make mighty fine gas powered cars. They'll do fine.
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  348.  @esm7708  According to Recurrent, some can lose up to 35 percent of their estimated range in freezing weather.
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  349. The only reason that the rental car companies bought EV was almost certainly a "deal" with the Biden administration that spent like a drunken sailor on anything that was progressive. A lot of it is being unwound now by DOGE, but Trillions of dollars were wasted by the crazies in the last administration and we, the people, got nothing of value for it.
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  350. @mmeek4078 Not much of a climate crisis
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  351. Consumer Reports in the US recommends leasing EVs because of both depreciation and the march of technology is relatively quick. But as you point out, the lease payments are based entirely on the depreciation of the vehicle over the lease term, which means that leases aren't making any sense for consumers. Unfortunately, doctrinaire Western governments will do the stupid thing and start subsidizing leases on EVs because they cannot admit the whole EV push is not just wrong but financially ruinous to owners and governments.
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  352.  @teardowndan5364  Sure, because more people are living there with more A/C with more cars, and a bunch of stuff creating heat islands. As I pointed out in another post, cities have temperatures that are hotter than the surrounding area by 1.8 to 5.4 degrees. Which is why you can't extrapolate anything from city temperatures. It's why big cities are ultimately self-defeating.
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  353.  @freethinker4991  and as such they can't be essential part of being able to control a heavy vehicle for safety reasons Yes, they are, because these trucks operate on interstates where there are mountain passes that can go up to 5-8,000 feet.
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  354.  @Spar_Hawk More like _once 1000km range EV becomes feasible , _
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  355. Chinese EVs are generally branded as local makers in the US, but I found it interesting that the Polestar is now made in China. In any event the US puts a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs
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  356. To be fair, gas powered vehicles have far more fires than EVs, however, the big difference is there's no practical way to put out an EV fire coming from the battery. Yes, technically there is, but it requires CO2 to extinguish, and generally the fire bridgades don't carry that type of equipment around.
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  357.  @davereiland9921  Trying to stop the EV mandates.
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  358.  @thomasreilly6362  There's no doubt that will happen, but it won't be today's EVs that do it. They're inferior in every way to an ice vehicle.
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  359.  @proto57  _ except maybe physical threats_ From this guy, his biggest threat would be I'm going to block you
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  360. The EV craze of the 2020's is the equivalent of the Dutch Tulip Craze of 1637. Everybody had to had one and then the next year, nobody cared.
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  361.  @just8310  -30C is about -22F. In fact Fairbanks Alaska will often go down to -30F or -34C in January. In that kind of cold, even gas powered cars need to keep running all day to ensure the engine oil doesn't freeze. Presumably, for an EV in those temperatures, you just park it and have a second car that doesn't have to preheat the battery.
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  362.  @davidparker7920  "You do however need to stop to use the bathroom, get some food and drink and rest your eyes.." Only as you get older (resting your eyes?). And the only reason you stop for so long in an EV is because you have to not because you want to (and I'm not criticizing people who are old, but we're talking truth here now) Anyway, most people traveling between cities in Europa are taking the train, because it's so heavily subsidized that it's cheaper and faster than driving because of overly taxed fuel. If you're going from Cologne to Paris, you can get there in a couple of hours on the train (about 3.5 hours on Thalys) as opposed to 5.5 hour drives. And once you're in France, you... take the train again. Because it's cheap and convenient. Long drives are the exception, unless you have a diesel where you don't you don't stop so much to rest your eyes .
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  363.  @SteveLomas-k6k  CO2 increase has been shown to be a trailing indicator of temperature rise, not the cause.
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  364.  @jeremyradford5103  "People make far too much fuss about range, as if they drive 1,000km without ever stopping" You have to laugh though when EV zealots say "you have to stop every couple hours, just sit down and have something to eat while your car charges" It reminds one of Pippin asking "When are we stopping for second breakfast?"
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  365.  @kevinashurst634  Well, the thing is people can only go by what they see on the road today. And what's on the road today from EVs is only interesting from a technology perspective. I agree with you this will be an interesting journey for EVs, but at the same time to brush off any criticism as "ignorance" is fairly ironic, wouldn't you agree? Personally, I haven't seen a desirable EV to date in the market. There's nothing that makes me say "gee, gotta have it".
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  366.  @stevewest131  California just entered the chat session
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  367.  @gppsoftware  exactly. In Montreal about 25 years ago, a huge ice storm downed many of the electrical towers and they were without electricity for 6 weeks. And if you think they're better prepared today, then you'd be mistaken.
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  368.  @steve_is_my_name  well the gas stations are dependent on the grid Well, no they aren't. Almost all of them have backup diesel generators.
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  369.  @tigertaylor1327  The generator that virtually every filling station in the US has. The only time you can't get gasoline is when something like a flood or tornado destroys a gas station.
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  370.  @williampisano7573  Of course they need power, but they can get it from their generator when the grid fails. It also supports the refrigerators inside the building so you can still get cold drinks and food.
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  371. queue the EV fanatics saying "I've had my car for 10 years and I've never replaced tires...."
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  372. You can replace the battery with 1,000 Alkaline AA cells.
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  373.  @KaidonSalter4Heisman  Perfect. We've solved the climate crazies...I mean crisis (sorry, I didn't notice the misspelling until after I hit the enter key) right here on YouTube.
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  374.  @Tom-dt4ic  You're hauling around an awfully big and heavy battery that is essentially a time bomb underneath you. A battery in an EV is so large and heavy, that it weight more than a motor, muffler, radiator, starter motor, etc. But hey, you do you. Just accept EV's cannot ever have the range, convenience, and utility of a gas/diesel car.
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  375.  @eyesodd  I'm well aware; you cannot put an untested ingredient in human food without testing.
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  376.  @williammeek4078  You've just admitted you have no idea what the word means.
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  377. The official answer will be "It wasn't an EV, it was a Diesel Hybrid that caught fire"
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  378.  @thetriumphsprint  I keep a similar arrangement for my house. It can't power everything, but I can have AC, lights, security system, the whole lot running for up to two weeks.
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  379.  @tom1949213  I would get up in front of the UN and scream How DARE you!
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  380.  @scaryfakevirus  Mass creates gravity. The spin of the earth is not gravity.
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  381.  @seannewman5391  " I just believe scientific facts" Another guy who doesn't understand what science is. We'll put you in the camp of people who think science determines the truth (tm)
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  382.  @AreYouSeriouslyy  Not according to the statistics at Consumer Reports. The most reliable brands are Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Mazda and Subaru. Some of the German makes come next, and EVs are actually significantly worse than these cars. In fact, they're roughly at the same reliability as Dodge RAM pickups
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  383.  @oldbloke204  So driving EVs will change that? No, but the people who buy them believe it helps reduce the temperature. Meanwhile India and China are opening a new coal fired generating plant a week, and the western world is shutting down power plants. Almost as if the far east has convinced the west to self-destruct.
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  384.  @sunrisejak2709  Lithium batteries will never be the answer to powering EVs. This is not an engineering problem, it's a physics problem.
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  385.  @sunrisejak2709  Ah, another person who believes gas is the biggest cost in running a car, and throw around "driving experiences" as if it means something. Best of luck with your "investment
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  386.  @Thyalwaysseek  "The global percentage of people who own an EV is 14% " No, it isn't. In fact if you understood how many cars exist in the world, you'd realize that's impossible. What you really meant to say is EVs were 14% of all sales in some markets.
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  387.  @davecooper3238  A powerwall is about $12K US installed, not counting the solar bits. That buys a lot of electricity from the grid.
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  388. Porsche is working on a 6 stroke engine according to an article I was reading in a car magazine over the weekend.
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  389. The whole concept of "Net Zero" is fraudulent. And when you get your science from an autistic girl from Sweden, you've gone so far down a rabbit hole that you'll never find your way out.
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  390.  @seannewman5391  Climate change is inherently a political question. Because if it wasn't they'd simply be looking for cleaner fuels rather than fundamentally change how we live. If you have to shut down people from disputing climate change using the power of government you're admitting and forcing it to be highly politicized.
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  391.  @Ryan-vo3rm  It's getting warmer in cities, that's proven, but once you get away from these megacities, the climate has been relatively stable. The right move is to begin shutting down cities ;)
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  392. You're welcome!
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  393.  @tomberan1282  I predicted 5 years ago, EVs would only ever get to 8% of the US fleet of cars, and even then it will take until 2055 to get to that point.
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  394.  @davidparker7920  Ah, another person who doesn't understand the difference between anecdote and data. And believe their own needs define the needs of most drivers. Bless your heart.
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  395.  @davidparker7920  EV sales have almost flatlined in the US, and they're far below predictions, which is why GM and Ford have pulled back from EVs almost entirely. Teslas continue to sell, but one EV maker won't make much of a dent. I said 3 years ago, this generation of EVs will never get above 7% of the total cars on the road within the next 10 years because of inherent problems with charging in cities, a lack of financial incentives for private industry to build chargers, and the inability to charge to 100% quickly (3-5 minutes) without damaging the overly expensive part of an EV. The net-net of this is that we likely won't get rid of gas and oil for the bulk of our transport needs for at least another 30-70 years
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  396.  @markseehawer3762  The issue is that once someone buys something they become a fan boi, which makes no sense.
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  397.  @soylentgreen326  all food is recycled.
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  398.  @downtoearth1950  As I explained to a "green obsessed" friend of mine, I asked him.... do know the greenest car on the planet? And he said "No, which one?". To which I replied "the one that's already built. Most of the energy goes into building cars, the gas you use over the time you use the car is one of the least important costs of owning a car". Now to be fair to him, after he owned his Telsa about 5 years, I asked him if he felt it was ready to take over from mainstream cars and he said "No, not really. I'm okay having to work around it's range limitations, and how I have to think in advance about where I'll charge when I go to pick up my child from college, but I wouldn't recommend it for most people".
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  399.  @simon6071  "Is the official vehicle of the President of the USA an electric vehicle?" His staff told him it was.
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  400.  @stevehale4712  I'm curious why you feel the need to have fealty to a technology. You like it, other people don't. But you're probably a little more vested in defending it than is healthy (just my opinion). The actual reason people are upset at EV is not necessarily the technology itself; it's about governments mandating a technology that simply doesn't work for everyone (not is it good for the environment). Now in the US we elected someone who is getting rid of the EV mandate and removing taxpayer subsidies, which will tend to make people far less upset at EV's and they'll probably make it up to 5-6% of the overall fleet of cars, but it won't go a lot higher until significant improvements are made to current cars.
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  401.  @SeattlePioneer  That's the damned problem with people and their gas cars. It's really hard to control their movement without a massive and overbearing police state.
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  402.  @williammeek4078  Billy, your electric vehicle has an off switch that is controlled by the government. Did you not know this? Bless your heart.
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  403.  @seannewman5391  Not so much. EV sales in the US have plateaued in Q1 2024, and Tesla shares have dropped like a rock as a result The other car makers have simply stopped making EVs and have quickly converted the lines to making cars that people want.
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  404.  @Hapkido82AUS  Musk has indicated he agrees the subsidies for EVs should end.
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  405. No doubt Volvo will be as successful as Saab now.
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  406.  @sdcoinshooter  He's not far wrong.
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  407.  @biggils8894  They are about to tax them out of existence Not in the US.
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  408. @flyingcircus808 You just hit the remote starter button in a gas powered car. No need for making them more complex.
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  409. 11 Reasons? Only 11? you sound like a die-hard EV supporter if you can only think of 11 reasons!
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  410.  @bryanhood9839  You get pulls from a junkyard. These type of engine swaps happen all the time and generally for far less than $5K. Same happens for transmissions. The only time you get a "new" engine is if it fails under warranty and the manufacturer will ship a new engine to the dealer to replace.
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  411.  @redbaron6805  It happens all the time. Welcome to the real world. You can look up engines online from junkyards. These salvage yards don't stay in business long if they sell bad engines, so there is quality control. You're welcome for me teaching you. And you do have a lot to learn about reality.
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  412.  @redbaron6805  Not sodium the salt, sodium the alkali metal.
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  413.  @redbaron6805  You're really out of your depth. You come across as an 18 year old high school who is angry nobody agrees with him. You have no idea of how the real world works .
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  414.  @redbaron6805  Then why do you post like you're 15 years old and are wrong so often? One has to assume that you are a Phoenix University graduate.
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  415. Just curious if the previous owner had the valve seats replaced so it can use unleaded fuel safely.
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  416.  @MilesCobbett There's lots of of those FE engines around. If the car is in otherwise great shape and you can get it cheap, it would be a great deal.
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  417.  @Luka_3D  The reason that it's the only means of transport is because the population density is too low to make any sort of rail transport impractical. You always have the choice to move to a city if you feel that's your jam, but if you ban cars, you are locked into wherever you are now because alternatives will go up in price, and in the US you'll be locked into wherever your bicycle will take you, which isn't very far. We're a big country with a lot of low-density population that needs personal transport. There's no way around this.
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  418.  @marxistilluminati9529  "death of infrastructure". Do you hear yourself? And of course, government works for man, not vice-versa.
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  419. Any country that has Chinese cars struggles with parts. When things go wrong (say a big recall, which happens frequently) Chinese companies will simply shut down their foreign subsidiary and then reopen in 90 days under a new name. Same thing they do on Amazon. If you buy Chinese anything, assume when it breaks you throw it away.
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  420.  @peteparadis1619  Plus you can keep 5 gallon jerry cans around your garage to power your cars.
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  421.  @mac_mcleod  It's actually 22-30%. And EVs have a special kill switch. It's not about the power. Tesla or any EV maker can simply turn make your car inoperable.
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  422.  @Catsrules1  Name a gas car that has a remote kill switch installed from the factory.
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  423.  @Catsrules1  They may have active connections but the cutoff switch is not in them for the reasons I stated earlier.
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  424. If you get a DeWalt or a Milwaukee, they generally last a long time (5-10 years)
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  425.  @Audioremedy0785  You realize EVs are powered with the same battery technology as EVs, right? As is your cell phone.
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  426.  @danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307  less than you imagine, and less than EVs
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  427.  @paulparoma  There's no upside to adding more complexity to a gas drive train.
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  428.  @typhoon320i  So you live in a salt/rust belt if you're seeing all these problems. Guess what... EVs will have similar problems in salt/rust belt, and worse, since EV makers struggle to get replacement parts which is why insurance companies routinely write off EVs for only minor impact damage. Consumer Reports has pointed out that from a reliability standpoint, EVs are not terribly reliable, being only slightly more reliable than Dodge Ram. Ironically the hybrids produced by Toyota (Lexus/Toyota) have the best reliability of any car and cars from Honda/Subaru/Mazda are all significantly better than any electric car. So you may be a mechanic (certainly not an A tech), but you don't understand what makes cars reliable.
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  429.  @vandamonium1731  Oh my.
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  430. All of the climate hysteria is driven by pure emotion ( The earth is dying we need to DO SOMETHING NOW !), you cannot use logic to convince someone that they're being ridiculous.
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  431.  @Dratchev241  Diesel fuel has much more energy per gallon in it than gasoline, that's the primary reason they get better mileage.
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  432. @woolychewbakker5277 Presumably you mean in another 20 years that's what you see as the future.
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  433. What happened to the UK? At least in the US we care about our freedom, and understand the government works for us, and not vice-versa. And with a little luck we'll be getting rid of a terrible government in a few days.
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  434. Serious question. When an EV burns, how much pollution is created, and how does it compare to the lifetime pollution caused by a real car?
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  435.  @jamescollins3647  In California all EVs have to be fitted with a noise maker So is it the voice of Gavin Gruesome saying Please don't nuke the whales! Please don't nuke the whales!
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  436. The Washington Post (WaPo) is the purveyor of every wacky far left idea ranging from allowing children to cut off parts of their body to EVs can replace actual cars by 2035.
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  437.  @seannewman5391  You misunderstand _god given right[s} _ In the US everything is a god given right unless it it prohibited by the constitution.
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  438.  @seannewman5391  Given the massive issues with EV batteries, it seems we'll have gas cars for the next 50 years.
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  439.  @seannewman5391  Any bizarre anti science, anti democratic narrative can become a popular belief Whenever someone claims to be protecting democracy, they're always lying. What do you believe is bizarre or anti-science? Can you even define science without looking it up online?
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  440. @ Maybe oil and gas is taxed Maybe? Funny stuff. Okay, here's a chance to redeem yourself. I asked you above what special tax breaks the oil companies get that every other corporation doesn't get.
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  441. How can people save the planet if they don't have EVs? For every mile you drive in an EV, a tree starts to grow in the desert.
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  442.  @johanncover1988  Well, but it's also the lithium mining and the fact batteries degrade over time. So you're never getting ahead of the capital and maintenance costs associated with an EV. If you trade your car every 3 years, you probably don't care, but in reality, the depreciation affects the viability of new cars.
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  443.  @johanncover1988  I will own my own power plant They may choose to tax on you on it. They may raise taxes on your car and house until you can't afford it. This is already happening in some states in the US.
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  444.  @leisuresuitlaz1710  Even stalwart and desirable German cars like the 911 tend to drop in value pretty quick, particularly if you drive them more than 5K miles a year. You might see a 50% drop in price after 3 years, unless it's one of the high-end Porsches.
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  445. We'll never actually reach carbon neutrality unless we're willing to go back with an 1850's way of life, but without firewood or coal. Carbon Credits (a promise not to cut down the rainforest) are a junk.
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  446.  @jevgeniardassov  I predicted EVs will have at most 7% of the total "population" of cars and will not go higher than that due to it's limited appeal and usefulness compared with gas/diesel cars.
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  447.  @lordlee6473  Toyota made the bet on Hybrids, which is paying off.
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  448.  @justsomeguy934  Oh, absolutely true. You just have no knowledge of automotive history. Detroit Electric was the favorite of wealthy women, because they weren't strong enough to crank the engine. Once Cadillac invented the electric starter Detroit Electric failed because of range issues, and battery issues. So stop pretending you know what you're talking about and accept that the electric car had already failed over 100 years ago and it on the verge of failing again today for precisely the same reason. As long as electrics are going to drag around that heavy battery, they'll never succeed.
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  449.  @derekr1113  Electric Viking is hardly an expert on the history of battery powered cars.
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  450.  @bmw803  It's not just that EVs catch on fire, the real issue is that they burn so hot they can't be put out at all . Dunking them in water makes the fire burn hotter.
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  451. Request denied. Come back when you drop a turbo charged V8 into your cars and we'll consider it.
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  452. The editorial board at the WSJ is far smarter than the people writing the articles at the WSJ. In fact the "reporters" at the WSJ can't even read a balance sheet these days.
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  453. Just waiting for the next step for EV's where they actually put a gas engine and transmission in the car , remove the battery to save weight lower the price by $25,000.
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  454.  @TroySavary  Fuel costs are at best the 4th biggest cost of running a car. Depreciation is #1 (EVs depreciate far more quickly than any other type of car). In fact the depreciation is so bad for EVs that it simply doesn't matter how much gas costs. The total cost of ownership for 15 years is decidedly in favor of gas/diesel cars.
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  455. Well, one things for sure, if you drive your EV through water, there's no need for your heat-pump heater to keep you warm. You'll be toasty before you know it.
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  456.  @xraylife  Based on some of the comments from the EV Fanatics, it appears they've never experienced life outside of a bubble. Even if you don't fit the snorkel to a Jeep, you can usually traverse 2-3 feet of water with no issue.
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  457.  @Eidolon1andOnly  If they're paying, they're being overcharged.
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  458.  @SuzukiKid400  " One day we will not have anymore oil, so we need to find another method for mass propulsion" Even if you accept this to be true, the government choosing technology is perhaps the worst way you could come up with to facilitate a transition. There's not one person in any government smart enough to do that.
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  459.  @TeaBreak.  15 minute cities are part of the EU plan. Do 5 minutes of digging online.
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  460.  @StirlingLighthouse  blinker fluid.
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  461. There is a curve on EV range and weight. You increase weight of batteries significantly faster than you increase the capacity (weight) of batteries, which is why all current EVs are designed around a 300 mile range.
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  462.  @UncommonSense1776  Carbon is increasingly understood to be a trailing indicator of warming, not the cause.
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  463.  @ghost307 Some bosses are very much "my way, or resign before I fire you"
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  464.  @steveinoz8188  It's mostly to do with the immaturity of the the state of the art in EVs. No one on the planet is producing EVs that can compete with the cheapest of gasoline or diesel powered cars, except for consumers who only drive their EVs a few kilometers per day. But right now they're a niche car, and will be until the power source is not lithium, and are at parity with gasoline/diesel cars in every situation.
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  465. Yes, and that four letter word is "GOOD".
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  466.  iscadean3607  The earth is dying we need to DO SOMETHING NOW !
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  467.  @brendykes1202  Heavy Truck batteries that are going to get cycled frequently from 0-100% will get about 5 years ideally. Less if they're abused. Plus let us know when your Tesla battery gets to 20 years.
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  468.  @brendykes1202  Actually that was a minor part of the problem. Hertz was finding they had to replace the battery in the cars for even minor accidents, which made them unprofitable. Imagine trucks that are going in rough areas scraping the bottom of those batteries over concrete curbs. How will the driver discern if he has a problem? Or will he wait for the smoke to start pouring out of the battery?
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  469.  @brendykes1202  Sure: "Chicago's Bowman Dairy Company used Walker Vehicle Company electric trucks to deliver milk to restaurants and hospitals in the downtown area. The truck had a rear axle electric motor that had a range of up to 50 miles and delivered 3.5 horsepower." A century later that's still the only successful battery-powered truck made. But we do know that EV cars batteries are so flimsy that a rock kicking up from the road can render them too dangerous to insure. In fact that happens all the time with EVs.
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  470.  @brendykes1202  Yes. The oil light will come on fairly quickly as oil pressure is lost. It's up to the driver to obey it. in fact, this has happened to me year ago. The light came on, I cut the engine and rolled to a stop. The fix was $50 for a new pan and installation.
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  471.  @thetowndrunk988  Good post. My point is that when you have an expensive asset it's supposed to be generating revenue unless it's due for for PM or failure. Diesel engines are so well perfected for continuous running, even long-distance trains use them continuously for months at a time running back and forth across the country using relief crews when the crew hits their HOS. And when they need to be refurbished, they can pull the engine quickly, put a refurb in and be on their way in short order. Battery powered trucks cannot meet the uptime necessary to make them profitable.
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  472.  @derekcable  My wife and daughter are very capable drivers; in fact my daughter is a much better driver than my wife she's almost as quick as I am around a track and on public roads she's focused on the task at hand. But that's to be expected because she had a very good teacher. My son is even quicker than me, but that's to be expected. He's also good at wrenching, but again that's to be expected, he learned from the best.
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  473.  @dashcamandy2242  Nah. Most sedans have weak handbrakes. Consider that your brakes all by themselves will prevent any movement by your car if you're standing still. You can try it yourself. But if you're going 120kph, they won't stop your car right away. In fact it may take a few hundred feet, even if you stomp the brakes. This is also an easy test to do, although for most drivers I wouldn't recommend it unless you've actually been in a car at speed where you've locked up a rear wheel or two. If you're faced with what's been presented, first thing is to remove power. Put the car in neutral. The rev limiter will keep the engine from self-destructing. Then gently apply the parking brake and remember to keep steering. Most people are at their limit driving down the road on a bright sunny day with no cars around them. If you change any of those parameters, most drivers are on a knife's edge of controlling their car. So you've got to follow the KISS principle.
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  474. To be clear, people should understand that "Net Zero" isn't zero carbon. It's about companies that claim they've purchased land in the Amazon Basin and in exchange for money, they give carbon credits, which allows you to pollute as much as you want. Thus you're not polluting? Actually when I type it out, it's so ridiculous that it makes it seem like nonsense. Which it is. Also, yesterday the WSJ posted an editorial from Steve Koonin (who is a real scientist) that pointed out the whole climate crisis nonsense has burned itself out. Few believe it anymore, and the result of "net zero" is there is now even more carbon [note, this is a good thing actually] primarily because of China and other 3rd world countries opening coal power plants.
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  475. Modern cars are so reliable that if people maintain them properly, they'll last 30 years plus.
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  476.  @SioxerNikita  Brake failure in modern cars is so rare that it would make the news nationwide if it happened.
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  477.  @SioxerNikita  So your thinking is that since they have these runoffs on steep grades for overweight tractor trailers, you can extrapolate that to the passenger car experience. You are believe these brake failures are common enough to say they are common. I mean you could have gone with, "I'm sure it happens every now and then", but no, you went with "we have a serious NHTSA-type issue where we need to recall pretty much every car made because we've discovered brake failure is common; Women and children riding in their BMW X5 and sudden brake failure is taking place making men widowers and killing people willy-nilly by random, common brake failure" Okay, we'll go with that if you say so.
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  478. Well, Alfa today is part of big conglomerate PSA/Fiat (now Stellantis) that has been struggling with cost structures from old labor agreements. In the US their most iconic brand is Jeep (which all of you know about); they've completely priced Jeeps out of the market in the US; with the electric version of the Jeep somewhere close to $100K US. As you can imagine, buyers are few for a crude vehicle that is overpriced by a factor of 3.
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  479. 3 years ago I said that EV could never be more than 7% of the total vehicle mix in the US and now I conceded I was being wildly optimistic for EV penetration. People bought them, and now 46% owners regret them. Sales have shown a marked downturn since the beginning of the year, and while Toyota and Honda have released an EV, they're sitting on the lot for weeks compared to cars like the Grand Highlander and Pilot which tend to move quickly.
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  480. Apparently, if we're going to save the planet, we're going to have to go back to the 1850's to do it.
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  481.  @williammeek4078  lol "Dangerous". Presumably you mean dangerous to the idea that everyone should have an EV
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  482.  @rogerphelps9939  There is no data that suggests EVs are something required to save the planet. In fact there is substantial evidence they will not, and may do more harm.
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  483.  @AlanHill-r7l  Not in the US. That kind of nonsense gets politicians voted out of office. Fact.
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  484. EVs always start a lot of fiery rhetoric.
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  485.  @JoeBManco  But the fire has 50x the impact of a gas fire.
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  486.  @williammeek4078  Well, both of them were pretty awful, so people escaped the engineering prowess of them.
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  487.  @TheNyhm1  Yes, EV fanatics ignore that while gas cars may burn more often, the consequences of an EV fire are always devastating.
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  488. "We have met the enemy and he is us"
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  489. @MGUY Australia, let me give you a hint. It's not just a lack of knowledge or an understanding of what it takes to electrify ... they just don't care. They are an example of King Canute syndrome. They engage in magical thinking. Leaders today around the globe are unserious people.
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  490.  @matthewgodwin3050  Why do EVangelists take it so personally? Because they believe in global warming like a religion, and believe they're saving the earth. How else would you complain the middle aged people sitting in the middle of roads to stop cars, trucks and buses? That's not something a rational person does.
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  491.  @gerbre1  And the fuel inside a fuel tank normally contains more energy than a battery While you're not wrong about this part, overall Lithium battery fires burn 5x hotter than a gasoline fire, because they produce their own oxygen and lithium itself burns very hot. There are many good articles on this online. Search for "why are EV fires so hot" or something similar
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  492.  @geirvinje2556  "put your mount around the exost" Weird fantasy. Anyway, the overall lifecycle of EV is more damaging to the environment than any petrol car. Don't you believe in science?
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  493.  @Thunderbloke2  fair enough. But that's typically why petrol cars catch fire. All of it is related to poor maintenance.
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  494.  @geirvinje2556  The construction of an EV is so polluting to the planet that estimates are that an EV must last 70 years to break even with the damage to the planet it creates. And the reality is EV batteries sit in scrap yards, not recycled. And since every EV has a taxpayer subsidy of about $55K, you're paying for something that's worse for the planet.
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  495. Really though, shouldn't people be willing to suffer if they're saving the planet?
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  496. Then they'd institute mandatory shutdowns of power, and force you to give control of your thermostat to the electric company. And then raise your rates for less service . But hey, you're saving the planet.
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  497.  @deezeed2817  using lithium isn't sustainable either. By your reckoning, nothing is sustainable. Everything is finite on the earth.
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  498.  @harrywood8196  One of the battery packs is in the front of the bus under the hood along with a diesel engine to produce heat Obviously they worked with a fire like that. They created a lot of heat.
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  499. How are EVs supposed to save the planet if people understand the reality of lithium battery fires?
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  500. The crazy left in the US hates Musk. Oh sure, they loved him 18 months ago, but once he started digging into the US government finances and is recommending eliminating programs and people, the crazy left went from a love affair with him to a visceral hatred. There's a thin line between love and hate.
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  501. Without looking through the comments, the crazies will claim Ford will go out of business now because EVs will take over very soon and governments will stop allowing gas cars to be made. I don't expect to be disappointed by them Incidentally, this explains thermal runaway in lithium batteries: https://youtu.be/AIXTP-TgPEw
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  502. Don't most people understand that "net zero" doesn't actually mean what it implies and is mostly a fraud?
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  503. Classic virtue signalling from people with too much money and too little brains.
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  504.  @MattExzy  Teachers? Seriously?
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  505. At a certain point, rational people in government would pull back from mandates for EVs. Unless EVs are not really meant primarily as a replacement for the automobiles on the road today. In fact, many economists and scientists point out that the raw materials to replace the entire fleet of cars with EVs simply doesn't exist. So what are we being sold with EVs?
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  506. Fanatic and Common Sense shouldn't be used in the same paragraph.
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  507. The great salt flat in Bolivia is at risk as well since they discovered lithium deposits underneath. Destroying that to create batteries for EVs would be a crime against future generations
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  508. 5 years from now, we'll find out that all politicians were getting kickbacks from "green energy" companies. In fact there's really no such thing as "green energy", unless you're talking about nuclear.
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  509. Vancouver EV Fire Truck Broken After One Month Perfect. That means no one else will be dumb enough to buy one. And a whole 100 km on a single charge? I guess they won't be doing the usual driving around the neighborhood around Christmas then.
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  510. By making the car out of soy, Musk is showing he really understands his target audience.
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  511. The European makers could always move to the US to build their cars. And no, I'm not joking. Many of them already have moved some of their production to the US, and we could use the jobs.
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  512. Well logically MGUY, it makes sense. A fake EV firetruck is meant to protect us against a fake climate crisis. It actually makes sense if you think about it.
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  513. Trump has a mandate to lower the cost of energy, cut government, improve the economy and he's said he will remove the (effective) ban on normal cars. It's morning in America.
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  514. We've had an airplane go around the world by the sheer force of a person pedaling. Imagine if we got all 200-300 people on the plane pedaling, it would be more effective than electric planes. Probably faster to recharge to, and would work better in cold weather. And wouldn't explode.
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  515.  @fredfred2363  They would prefer people not own private cars. It's part of the Great Reset.
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  516.  @LarryEngel-b1b  Perfect example, the first iPhones were so much better than blackberry and flip phones that people stood in line to buy them.
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  517.  @martinwalker9234  Finish the sentence, it's to discourage Chinese EV sales, because they're 1/3 the price of domestic EVs. This is about protecting local industry, not demand for EVs.
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  518.  @martinwalker9234  so why is the EU planning to introduce huge tariffs on EV's to lower the demand for Chinese EVs to protect local industry Because a €10K EV makes sense. A €30K does not.
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  519. Search for "The hidden subsidies of EVs". In particular you should find a study called "TPPF Releases Study Exposing the True Cost of Electric Vehicles"
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  520.  @andyman8630  Not really. If you're talking about factory depreciation and such, car makers get the same tax breaks as every other industry.
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  521.  @petergosney6433  Since EV and Gasoline powered cars are generally made by the same car makers, wouldn't you could "bailouts" for both? And no, EVs are getting special tax breaks. Studies in the US indicate that EVs are getting a hidden subsidy of around $50K per vehicle. That does not count the up-front subsidies from the federal government nor does it count multiple states that don't charge sales tax on EVs or plug in hybrids.
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  522.  @petergosney6433  Yes, GM and Chrysler got bailouts but they're the same companies making EVs (also the federal government screwed the GM bondholder out of their money) Ford did not receive a bailout in 2009. They had competent leadership at the time and opened lines of credits with multiple banks to get them through the crisis. The only reason companies like GM and Ford are making EVs at all is because the EVs have significant subsidies in the form of low or no cost loans and outright subsidies that people have valued at up to $50K per car. If you look at their balance sheet, even with massive subsidies EVs are dragging down profits from gas powered cars.
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  523.  @williammeek4078  Untrue. Henry Ford didn't receive any subsidies from the government, nor did the Dodge Brothers. Nor did Ransom Olds. Those pioneers simply made a product that people wanted to buy at a reasonable price. No government was involved.
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  524. I saw an analysis on X from a self-described branding expert, and his belief was that Jaguar is trying to move upscale into the $125-250K (USD) market, but the issue is that they have no cars to show. He said it shows that Jaguar believes people with the income levels who can afford that type of car will view the gender-queer lifestyle as edgy and brave and will be attracted to the brand. Of course, had he done it in 2020 it might've made some sense, but Wokeism is now considered toxic, meaning that Jaguar is now as edgy as a 1963 VW Beetle.
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  525. As a symptom the climate narrative is falling apart, F1 is now looking to get rid of the hybrid engines and go with good old fashioned V10's.
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  526. EV crazies believe Lithium Batteries are a game changer, and people who aren't fans agree with them: While they certainly made EVs marginally useful, they also have such large downsides in terms of safety and cost that they seem to be the reason why EV sales have plateaued.
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  527. @ With significantly more complexity. You need a modified drive train that will allow the electrical motors to interact with the gas powered drive train, you need a smaller lithium battery (which has the same drawback as larger lithium batteries) and when that battery fails, your car, depending on model won't work.
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  528.  @不死鳥-u4e  Toyota hybrids still has a transmission called the Hybrid Synergy Drive and still uses a planetary gearset, which is similar to a CVT. So you still have the complexity of the battery and gas engine but when the battery goes bad (and it will), the car won't work. And for very little gain. Just get the gas powered car and you'll get a Toyota that will work for 20 years with only routine maintenance.
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  529. ​ @thehairygolfer  Ah, now you've convinced me. Clearly I'm dealing with a PhD in persuasion.
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  530. A poll on twitter recently found that most people believe the Climate Cult might be the biggest cult in the world today.
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  531.  @jebes909090  Remember that 22 million tons of copper is already earmarked for other uses. So here's your homework assignment: 1) Find out how much copper does an EV require in total pounds 2) Find out how much copper is used a year already 3) Multiply the replacement of all cars in the US (I'll give you a hint, the US has 250M cars) 4) And then get back to us on how many additional tons of copper need to be mined. I've done the calculation, but I want to see if you'll get away from your feelings on this matter and get into data and facts. *here a hint: there are 183 pounds of copper in an EV. vs on average 25 pounds of copper in a normal car.
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  532. Hybrids introduce even more complexity that is the bane of longevity in a car. I'll say it over and over again .... in the US the cost of gas (petrol) is only the 3rd largest cost of ownership (about $1000/driver in the US), so the minimal gas savings won't make up for the initial outlay unless you own the car for 9-10 years. And unless it's a Japanese car, the hybrid part will probably break in the meantime.
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  533. The government has poured billions in the "war on cancer", and if anything cancers are becoming more common and less curable.
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  534.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  Tesla is making money. You can never tell with Chinese companies if they're making money or not. Volvo actually is pulling back from the EV market. Their polestar cars are nice, but they have really terrible range, and they're too expensive. There's been a lot of press about it; surely you've read about it.
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  535.  @hanswallner2188  _EVs are already pretty perfect _ Lol. That's funny.
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  536.  @hanswallner2188  "likelyhood of an EV fire is depending on country between 10 to 60 times lower then ICE car," Which is true, but there's two things to note. Gas cars generally only catch fire as they older and are poorly maintained. But a household fire extinguisher can be used very effectively on this type of fire. Almost all of these fires can be attributed to the fuel system leaking onto the exhaust manifold. Lithium fires burn at roughly 5.5 times as much heat (3800 C) which is enough to melt steel. They produce their own oxygen, and there's no practical way to put one out. Some lithium fires have started simply because of poor manufacturing, and others as slight damage occurs (as when you run over a deep pothole). So while your facts are correct in the X axis (likelihood of fire), you missed the Y axis which would measure the impact of the fire
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  537.  @rattusfinkus  I've demonstrated you have no specific knowledge that would indicate you could be taken seriously about hydrogen as a fuel for cars. The fact that you didn't understand that pretty much proves my point.
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  538.  @rattusfinkus  As has been reported, but they were talking about the construction of the vehicle and how cheaply they can be made. They weren't talking about the propulsion system.
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  539. Even if there's not enough electricity to power the buses, isn't it the thought that counts? They were trying to do the right thing, and sure, the kids can't use them, but they did get a bunch of diesel buses off the road, and that will surely save the planet. Plus the kids could use some exercise walking to school. A win-win, right?
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  540. I tend to agree with him. It will take EVs too long to wait for new battery technology that has to have at least a 3-5x the energy density of today's battery and doesn't require the caution that you have to treat today's batteries. For every person saying "EV batteries are fine" there are four more saying it's unacceptable. And trying to predict technology 10 years from now is a fool's game. We have no idea if batteries can get significantly better in 10 years, and we have no idea what alternative technologies will be better than battery powered cars. Which why I find it weird that EV fanatics don't hope for something better; significantly better batteries, significantly better internal combustion engines, less government intrusion on consumer choices. It reminds me of the old iPhone/Android arguments that used to break out online a decade ago.
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  541. In the US, under Biden we spent $10B building EV chargers. The inept government built a total of 10.
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  542.  @badchefi  In the US, a typical car would use 2 gallons of gasoline, at roughly $3.25 US a gallon, so the fuel cost would be $6.50 US or just under $10 AUS
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  543.  @the_forbinproject2777 They're running out of things to tax, so please don't give them ideas.
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  544.  @unnamedchannel1237  It is warming, but the bulk of it is due to natural causes. We have no ability to affect the climate, regardless.
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  545.  @Andrew-fq7pu  The baby boomers had The Force from star wars as a religion, millennials have Climate Change as a religion.
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  546.  @jamesf3683  A study in the Wall Street Journal said that for an EV battery to make up the CO2 needed to make it, it would have to last 75 years. Now, my take is CO2 is not a pollutant, so it's not relevant. In the end, I like the concept of EVs, but government mandates for EVs are definitely a fraud meant to shift money from consumers to the rich people who influence the government. Those EV mandates will shortly be gone in the US.
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  547.  @jamesf3683  Just filled up. Gas at 2.70 US a gallon. Gas prices vary across the US depending on how far they are from a refinery or distribution point. Near cities it's cheaper because of the amount of distributors. If you're 100 miles into the wilderness, gas might cost you $4-5 a gallon because of the transportation cost. I realize if you're from England that might not be a thing.
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  548.  @zwieseler  A battery-powered vehicle having a fire incident is newsworthy Primarily because they can't be put out. There is a video on the YouTube where a Tesla fell into the water and it was burning underwater. Imagine what that would do if you parked it in your garage and it caught fire, or if you were stuck in a car like that after an accident. Your body would be ashes, even your relatives couldn't bury a body.
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  549.  @tigertoo01  The warranty doesn't cover the cost of a battery damaged in an accident. EV insurance premiums are expensive because they're written off with only minor damage because the battery cannot be assessed after an accident, so they must assume the battery is no longer good.
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  550. If you haven't seen Trump's speech and Q&A at Davos on energy, you should watch. Available on YouTube.
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  551.  @sullivanrachael  That's the dream with EVs. Only the elite will have personal transportation, the proles will take the bus and if they complain on social media, or even to to friends, their social score will be reduced so they're no longer allow on any transportation. That's the left wing vision for the future.
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  552. @ Diesel generators won't harm anything about the planet. Man lacks the ability to harm the planet in the way you imagine.
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  553.  iscadean3607  Not really. Scare tactics from the WEF and Bill Gates.
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  554.  @mitus85  torque converter. It's a fascinating device that is both devilishly simple and pure genius. It literally uses fluid to transmit power. Today, automakers don't like them so much because they're somewhat inefficient, but they are very smooth .
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  555.  @mitus85  EVs don't have torque converters; they have no need for one.
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  556. I just popped in to say "welcome back".
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  557. There's not enough minerals on the planet to replace gas powered cars with EVs.
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  558.  @gregb1599  Many already catch fire in your pants For young men many things do catch fire in your pants, but a phone ain't one of them unless you're charging it.
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  559.  @gregb1599  A leaf actually makes sense. Short range car, no ambition of replacing gas cars, great commuter, or weekend going-to-the-hardware, grocery and dry-cleaner car.
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  560.  @badchefi  In the US, $25K of petrol (we call it gas) will power a car for over 213,000 miles or roughly 342790 km.
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  561. The CEO should have been fired last fall when he pushed a direction for the company that made no sense. EVs requires a paradigm change for their customers, and was dependent on public chargers be an order of magnitude more common then they actually were.
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  562. I would buy a Nissan Leaf used but I wouldn't pay more than $5K and definitely would not park it in my garage.
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  563.  @Acemeistre  Well this is youtube, so you can't post links. It would have been less time to do a search. But I'm a generous soul, and I'll quote a badly titled article from Carhampt: Electric Cars and Kill Switches: Debunking Myths and Exploring Safety Measures In short, yes, electric cars do incorporate safety measures that can quickly halt their operations in emergency situations (a.k.a. a kill switch.) But they extol the virtues of a remote kill switch: The benefits of integrating a kill switch in electric cars are manifold, echoing a chorus of safety concerns and modern vehicular exigencies So there you go. Not only does your electric car have a remote kill switch, Carhampt believes it's for your own good.
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  564.  @Goodnessandlove  The basic concept of EV is still the same as Gustave Trouvé's tricycle built in 1881. Electric cars were abandoned in the early 20th century because they didn't have enough range, and gas cars had far more utility. They quickly went away.
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  565. I have been in a polestar car, really beautiful car inside and out... with a range of about 230 miles and a price of $65K, which is a shame. Too expensive, and too limited.
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  566.  iscadean3607  "All humans need to relieve themselves and refuel every 3 hour or so." Maybe when they get really old? 3 hours at 70 MPH (avg), 240 miles. Not even one stint with that kind of range. Then I have to sit around for what.... 90 minutes? By comparison, the SUV will go about 500 miles, get 25 MPG, meaning we can make it 1/3 of the way across the country, then settle in at our hotel. But to the topic at hand, the Polestar falls into that range where it's too expensive for the core functionality it provides. Sure, it has really great Scandinavian design, brilliant controls, passable shape, but why would I pay $65K for such a limited car? If it were a gas powered car, it would be selling for 1/3 less. So as a consumer, there really is only one rational choice, and it's not the Polestar, as much as I like the interior.
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  567. 160 miles of range should be good enough for anyone since apparently the cars only get recharged at home.
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  568.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  Yes, but we need law enforcement. EVs not so much. We'll have fossil fuels as our primary source to keep civilization running for another 75 years at least, so you need to get over yourself a bit.
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  569.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  I'm not worried a bit. Most of the Green nonsense will get thrown out in about a year in the US.
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  570. Well, not exactly. You can't have nice things unless you're willing to afford the owner of the charging station a margin so he can both make a profit and allow him to cover maintenance costs. Otherwise what you're seeking is government ownership which means everyone will pay taxes for to subsidize you, and you'll still pay the government margins because government is highly inefficient compared to private industry.
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  571.  @stuartburns8657  They actually are able to pump fuel since anything more than a mom-and-pop has a large generator to not just run the pumps and lights, but most gas stations are mini-markets so it keeps the freezers going as well.
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  572.  @Paul-li9hq  Yeah, I generally keep about 15 gallons around for snow removal or lawn mowing, and worst case it goes into one of the cars.
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  573. Net Zero is a tricky phrase. It doesn't mean that there is no carbon released, it means that you pay a company that buys land in the Amazon, and they promise (really really promise) that they'll always keep it forested, offsetting any carbon released (let's not delve into why carbon is essential to life on the planet). My only real concern about this scam is I didn't think of it myself.
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  574.  iscadean3607  I've been in a polestar dealership. Not sure what you mean.
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  575. Jaguar is doing woke just as their biggest market, the US, is breaking free of the woke nonsense. Great job Jaguar. EVs are a very hard sell in the US right now. We're going back to V8's, baby!
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  576. The citizens of the UK are at war with their government these days, anyway. And the rational scientists (a.k.a. one that use data) don't believe there is a "climate crisis". And these are not fringe scientists, either.
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  577.  @commonsense-grs  if you want to buy an automobile after 2035, you won't have the choice.
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  578.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  I normally don't search for something you could in less time than typing a message, but I'll make an exception. The zero emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate unveiled today (28 September 2023) means the country will have the most ambitious regulatory framework for the switch to electric vehicles (EVs) in the world. This requires 80% of new cars and 70% of new vans sold in Great Britain to be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100% by 2035. The 2035 end of sale date puts the UK in line with other major global economies, including France, Germany, Sweden and Canada.
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  579.  @petergosney6433  Search for "UK Government sets out path to zero emission vehicles by 2035 "
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  580.  @geirvinje2556  Well, most of what people are referring as "subsides" are really tax deductions. Most of which accrue to any business. One unique set of deductions for mining and oil is the the depletion allowance, which is predicated that as you mine copper ore or extract crude oil, some of your asset is depleted. What people refer to as egregious was that originally this depletion allowance allowed large companies deduct 28% of their revenue for depletion. Today, the most egregious deductions are limited to small producers and those who don't own their own refining business. A great document to download and read is "Oil and gas taxation in the United States Deloitte taxation and investment guides"
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  581.  @yxxtower  so do you believe that EV owners should get cheaper home insurance? Or are you claiming that weather conditions should be factored into EV insurance because the intent of them is to save the planet?
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  582.  @yxxtower  "Smash a rear bumper of an Audi and the car is written off. " No, not really. Has that happened once? Sure. The way you get cars written off quickly is to have insurance that pays for rental cars while waiting for the rebuild. But they sell it to third parties who then fix the car and get it back on the road, so the insurance company is made whole, and the rebuilder makes some money as well. Nothing similar is done for damaged EV batteries. They're just dragged to the scrap yard.
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  583.  @richardwendt9266  EV vehicles are 100% will burn to the ground and everything around them for 10-20 meters when they catch fire. Even if you dump them to the bottom of the ocean.
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  584.  @yxxtower  Hurricanes are far less numerous than they were just 30 years ago. From Forbes: During the most recent decade, 2001-2010, 7 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is exactly the 100-year average. During the preceding decade, 1991-2000, 6 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is below the 100-year average. During the decade 1981-1990, 4 major hurricanes struck the United States. That is substantially below the 100-year average, and ties the least number of major hurricanes on record.
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  585.  @yxxtower  Of course, but the idea that people who have electric cars should get a break somehow on insurance is rather silly. As you say, EV insurance rates are based on risk, and by the same thought process, their actuaries have weighed the risks and decided EV owners should pay more. And again, they raise the rates of normal car insurance because the cost of at-fault accidents for a normal car go up because the cost of repairing EVs is higher. So from a TCO perspective, the additional cost of insurance should be factored into the cost of an EV.
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  586.  @richardwendt9266  It's not "my" fears it's an issue with EVs. And the only way to remove the big problem with EVs is to get rid of Lithium batteries entirely while doubling range. At some point that will happen. But it may not be in your or my lifetime.
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  587. A leading consumer magazine (Consumer Reports) in the US has recommended leasing instead of buying if you want to use an EV
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  588. Apparently there are good fires (EV fires) and bad fires (every other fire).
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  589. As goes Mr. Bean, so goes the Nation. This is well known.
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  590.  @j17golf  So you claim people don't want EVs because of a conspiracy? Who is in charge of this conspiracy?
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  591.  @j17golf  You mean the people going about their business in Chicago instead of sitting at chargers? Those "old tech horse & buggy" people?
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  592.  @j17golf  Yes, the ones that can fill up their car in two minutes and get 500 miles of range in 0 degree weather. Those cars have Spotify connections btw, and full heat on, so their drivers are in their t-shirts going 80 MPH down the freeway despite the cold weather. You're turning down the heat in your battery car so you can make it to the next charging station.
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  593.  @Audioremedy0785  I don’t know a single person that has any regret buying an ev How many people do you know? Have you considered that many people regret them, but don't talk about it? After all, if they have another 3 years of payments, they're kind of stuck
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  594.  @blipco5  Not biden supporters, they're all quite demented.
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  595.  @alecfoster4413  Yes, that's a BMW joke. Here's the other BMW joke: BMW drivers hate the drivers of other cars because they can't afford a BMW. But they hate the drivers of other BMWs because they CAN afford them.
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  596. Depreciation has always been the Achilles heel of these cars. Consumer Reports (A popular consumer non-profit testing organization) has been an advocate of leasing EV for the last several years primarily because these cars are so electronics/software dependent that even if the Tesla of today looks like the Tesla of 10 years ago, there are profound differences in electronics & software that make a significant difference so that you never want an EV more than 3 years old.
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  597.  @j17golf  well, it's one models out of 100's of models Toyota makes and sells around the globe. And that doesn't include Daihatsu and Hino. Most of their electrification is in hybrid models, which today make more sense for people who want some form of electrification without most of the downsides of full EV.
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  598.  @j17golf  Third world countries use very up-to-date telecommunications tech. Apparently you've not traveled very much. They tend to be very practical and don't have the luxury beliefs that left-handed people have in rich countries. But they avoid EVs because they're a toy. And in many of these countries, the cost of propane is so cheap that it would be foolish not to use; and as a bonus propane burns cleanly and is less polluting than an EV.
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  599.  @j17golf  Well, they own Hino. But EVs will not be really viable until 2040, and by that time, nobody has a clue what will happen. I suspect people will come to their senses long before then.
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  600.  @psilocybemusashi  No hardship is to great to save the planet, I say. In fact, if EV owners really wanted to save the planet, they get rid of the battery in the floor, and use their feet to propel the car like that cartoon "The Flintstones". While that sounds like a joke, that's exactly what "net zero" means.
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  601.  @j17golf  Only if you define "far more viable" as "fussier, less range, higher cost, and not actually helping the environment" If we agree on that definition, then yes, they're more viable.
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  602.  @j17golf  You have no idea what "exponentially" means. In any case, in the US EV sales have plateaued, even Tesla is struggling these days.
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  603. @7golf Actually normal car sales are up about 5% this year, and that's already with a 14:1 ration of cars to battery powered cars already. And you do realize that Elon Musk just said on Twitter the other day that Tesla is struggling, Rivian may fail because they're having severe cash flow issues. Promise some day that you won't claim it all fell apart because of some sort of plot by oil companies. That would be so jejune.
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  604.  @xr6lad  EVs really have decended into a cult for some people. They've vested their entire persona into it.
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  605.  @esm7708  Well of course. You can't drive around in the winter without the heat on. That's ridiculous.
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  606.  @BTC.maximalist  Gas powered cars lose about 15% of their range for short trips, so your typical car that gets about 400 miles of range may only get around 350 miles of range worst case. While that's unfortunate, remember gas cars don't get less mileage when you turn on the heater.
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  607.  @iworkout6912  The only practical electric boats are used in rowboats where you use an electric trawling motor to silently push your fishing boat around.
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  608. Anything in the lab is 5-10 years away from production. In fact, it's highly likely that new chemistry will never see the commercial light of day because it may be too expensive to produce or not practical in volume. Until it's in a car for sale, assume it won't go anywhere.
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  609.  @williammeek4078  Understand California heavily regulate insurance companies. From CBS News: From 2020 to 2021, auto insurance losses spiked 25% while premiums increased by only 4.5%, according to the American Property Casualty Insurance Association. The rate and severity of auto accidents are up as well as the costs to cover them So with that data in hand, they asked the insurance commission to allow them to raise rates. The commission refused. Insurers cannot refuse to cover Californians as we are what's called a "take all market," meaning that even if you have a crappy accident record they have to take you. So California has earned everything coming to them by making it unprofitable to operate in California.
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  610.  @j17golf  Lol. Why all the drama? The mining of lithium is one of the most destructive processes of mining every metal, and it wastes millions of gallons of fresh water. They need huge diesel trucks to carry the ore, huge diesel engines to run the water pumps, and then little children get involved. We don't know if they smell or not. The making the batteries is highly hazardous and releases potent toxins into the environment, and the making of the cars themselves releases paint fumes, it involves more diesel trucks to bring the parts in from other factories, and finally the painting releases toxic fumes into the environment. Finally when the batteries burst into flames it produces even more toxins so hazardous and dangerous that you need specially trained firemen and equipment to inhibit the spread, because it can't be put out. These EVs are an environmental disaster on 4 wheels.
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  611.  @williammeek4078  No, Billy. Florida has always has had bad hurricanes. Take a look at a list of Hurricanes that have a significant effect on Florida. For the past 100 years, they've always happened. The irony is Hurricanes for 30 years have actually slowed down in number as well as ferocity around the Gulf area. The difference is that states like New York, California, Michigan & Illinois are so poorly run that taxes are spiking, and regulations are spiking driving people to Texas and Florida. Which mean that while the number of deadly weather events are decreasing around the Gulf the number of people has increased significantly raising the overall risk profile of the area. Florida isn't losing insurance companies, the rates are going up not because of severity of storms, but the impact of any storm on the area.
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  612.  @actualfacts1055  Yes, but you can put them out with a common fire extinguisher. Can you explain to the class how you put out a lithium battery fire?
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  613. Shouldn't EV's be willing to pay any amount for insurance since, as we all know, they're saving the planet. And of course, you can't put a price on saving the planet.
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  614.  @gerbre1  _ Studies have shown that temperature differences between urban and rural areas are similar_ Actually this is untrue. They are called urban heat islands and they represent anywhere from a 1.8 to 5.4 degree variance from rural areas. Search for "Urban Heat Islands: Why Cities are Warmer than Rural Areas".
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  615.  @teardowndan5364  Let's be clear unprecedented in the last 20-30 years . Like most humans you imagine what the world was like when you were a child is "normal" for the earth. We may actually be moving towards normal with the increased temperatures.
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  616.  @gerbre1  That only works if your readings aren't in cities and you have enough to fairly represent most spots on earth.
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  617.  @gerbre1  Climate Scientists don't have good data, not one of the climate models work even at a basic level, we have no way to track sea rise. The whole climate "hockey stick" was shown to be nonsense almost two decades ago.
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  618.  @davelowe1977  Here's the dirty secret about every climate model. If you take known conditions from say 1960 and let the model run, it never comes close to current conditions in 2024. That would be a perfectly reasonable test that if you can't extrapolate 45 years into the future, it's a given that you can't get better predictions if you look ahead 100 years or 1000 years. So if people are claiming scientists have these great models and great data, they're lying.
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  619.  @gerbre1  Well the theory that rising CO2 causes global warming is falling out of favor because the evidence doesn't support it. And what are your credentials that makes you an expert? Or did you listen to Al Gore?
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  620.  @jeremyashford2145  Seriously? The hockey stick curve was debunked 20 years ago.
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  621.  @gerbre1  CO2 has been shown to be a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator of warming. Try to keep up.
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  622.  @gerbre1  "The absolute values are irrelevant" And yet the crazies say a 1.3 degree rise in temperature will cause the poles to melt and seas to rise, all of which now we know were silly prognostications.
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  623.  @freethinker4991  You do know the EV trucks don't use there brakes as much because they regenerate to slowdown ...making them far more expensive to maintain and will lead to more brake failures
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  624.  @rodshoaf  Pintos were an okay car, but they cheaped out on using the right crash protection around the fuel tank. Certainly better than the Vega which like typical GM was underdeveloped. A $5 fix led to a lot of deaths.
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  625.  @itsMe_TheHerpes  well you can move to north korea if you don't like it Yes, if you don't like authoritarian edicts from the Green Crazies, you can move to North Korea. Do you guys even listen to yourselves?
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  626. If this was in the US, he could dispute the charge on his bill and ultimately he wouldn't have been forced to pay (assuming he did pay the no-refuel fee).
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  627.  @badchefi Your words betray you. But we get it, you're a fanatic and whatever you imagine is true becomes true to you. That's not a criticism; on the contrary, it makes you entertaining.
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  628. The west could stop every bit of CO2 emissions and it would have absolutely zero impact on the climate, even if you pretend there is a "climate crisis"
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  629. No lie is too large if it saves the planet. Apparently The big takeaway from the chart at https://youtu.be/izCJdwzhGbk?t=210 is that the battery is such a significant weight in the car that the only thing that matters is the number of kilowatt hours of energy the battery can produce. If they would cut the car weight half, they could cut the battery size in half (roughly) and have a much smaller car with the same range as they have today. But the other element is the cost of the battery and motors is so high that that you can't comfortably sell a small EV for less than $35K if you're paying people with a living wage to make it.
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  630.  @derekr1113  What an odd thing to say.
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  631.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  flywheel overruns? Dude, you're tripping b**
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  632. Net Zero - definition - A way to pretend you're not emitting life-giving CO2 by giving money to corporations who pretend they're setting aside land in the Amazon.
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  633.  @gaiustacitus4242  They use big diesel trucks that gulp that fuel. But yes, children are involved in the entire process. A lot of this is documented in Goehring & Rozencwajg Q4 2023 Natural Resource Market Commentary You can search for it; it's readily available. They point out that a lithium battery needs to operate for 70 years to pay back the carbon debt incurred from it's creation. Now mind you, the whole carbon-is-bad narrative is utter B.S. but for the people who think carbon is bad, it debunks the value of EVs as being good for the environment.
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  634.  @jimihendrix991  she's also likely autistic. But perhaps that's where the crazies like to get their advice from on climate. Did she even finish secondary school?
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  635.  @tigertoo01  What has she said that's untrue Okay: This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. Well, she admits she is wrong here. So this is rated as TRUE You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words Actually her father has stolen her dreams and childhood, so this is rated as FALSE For more than 30 years, the science has been crystal clear Well, this is untrue. Science is not built by consensus, it is built on data and climate change advocates refuse to release their raw data because in their own words it would be misused . So this is rated as MOSTLY FALSE As to the rest of the emotional garbage she's been programmed with, if that moves you that's fine, but at least admit it's your religion, and you consider Greta the patron saint of your climate religion.
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  636.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  the reality is if the western world stopped using any sort of oil to heat, and drive transportation, it will no impact on the climate. And in the meantime, China will continue to bring on two coal plants a week...
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  637.  @tigertoo01  and I will go back on everything I said Why do you think anybody cares what you do?
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  638. These EVs might be more viable if they just put in a turbo-charged 4-cylinder engine either in front or back and then skinny down the battery so it can deliver about 60 miles of range and then the gas engine would recharge the battery as well as being the primary drive for the car (or truck).
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  639. This is, without a doubt, the least efficient way to power a car.
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  640.  @wonderwalls3565  It's amazing. The government is blaming power companies because "high voltage lines need to be brought in" and "we contracted to outside firms to build them". The US government is currently being run by ancient people and children.
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  641. Apparently, there is a tiny advantage with nitrogen, but since Nitrogen is one of the most common gasses on earth, it should have been pretty much free.
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  642.  @paulparoma  On a propaganda and cost level, climate change might be the biggest scam in human history.
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  643.  @davidparker7920  lol. You also paid 8,000 Euros more than an equivalent gas/diesel car. And of course they have less range. You may use your car as a commuter 5 km away from work, but consider the radical concept that your use case is not typical.
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  644.  @bunsw2070  Tire shops will typically just include it at no cost. Certainly at Costco it's just included (and their tires are cheaper, too)
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  645.  @JamesSmith-qs4hx  The guy has been programmed by the government teaching the religion of climate change. I feel sorry for him.
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  646.  @Chris_the_Muso  To claim CO2 is a pollutant as the EPA has done is silly beyond belief.
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  647.  @gerbre1  That remains unproven. Recent studies have not shown the CO2 is not the cause of the natural warming trend taking place.
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  648.  @redbaron6805  There was never any "Ozone scare" Of course there was. They wanted to ban all aerosol cans because of the propellant, they told us it would take 50 years to close the "hole in the ozone layer" and then 2-3 years afterwards they declared the scare over. The whole thing was B.S.
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  649.  @gerbre1  Not in the latest research. That's a 20 year old theory that hasn't been proven in the real world. In fact, quite the opposite.
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  650.  @gerbre1  Well, except the ice at the poles is thickening.
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  651. Chargers won't get better because EV owners to date are irritated that owners of these chargers want to make a gasp profit. Without a profit motive there's no capital to build them, and no operating money to maintain them, especially in places that are hundreds of miles in the middle of nowhere where you can find filling stations. So the latest word on the street is either "oh, I only ever charge at home anyway" or "I just went from point A to point B hundreds of miles in my Tesla and it was no big deal. We would stop and have lunch when we stopped to charge" as an aside, they sound like the Hobbits in the Fellowship of the rings, where they wanted to stop for second breakfast"
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  652.  @williammeek4078  The cost of repairing “fender benders” is the same for new cars BEV or ICEV "Hertz Global is slowing down the pace by which it adds battery electric vehicles to its fleet, executives said on a third-quarter earnings call on Thursday. The rental car company cited Tesla’s price cuts negatively impacting the resale value of its EVs, and higher than expected repair costs for EVs as a reason to slow its pace of electrification " "According to the report, insurance claim costs are usually higher for electric cars. "As it relates to average severity for repairable vehicles, EV costs continue to exceed those of ICE automobiles. For Q2 2023, severity costs were higher for EVs by $963 in the US and $1,328 in Canada ," wrote the study." from InsideEV written by Andrew Lambrecht "But collision repairs may be a different story. According to a recent study from CCC Intelligent Solutions Inc., for example, based on actual insurance claims for small, non-luxury-brand cars with front-end damage that were still driveable, the average EV model cost $4,041 to fix. That was about 27% more than the average for roughly comparable non-EV models . Based in Chicago, CCC processes and analyzes auto insurance claims related to more than 16 million repairs annually, the company says." from Forbes
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  653.  @Dennis-ff2pf  The smartest person on earth? Clearly not. The smartest in this thread, yeah, probably.
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  654.  @Dennis-ff2pf  You're the smartest one Dennis. Nobody smart would argue with you about that.
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  655.  @goonyhill1857  Many people do 30+ miles a day each direction, particularly around cities where the cost of living in or near a city is prohibitive. People who do local deliveries in a car, may travel 100+ miles during the day.
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  656.  @Wee_Langside  Wood has many advantages over stone construction and have been a proven building material because of the unique characteristics of wood. Scandanavia uses wood as does the US because it works quite well.
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  657.  @redbaron6805  You seem to be personally vested in EVs. That's kinda cute, actually.
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  658.  @geirvinje2556  Can you name a single subsidy that oil companies get that any other industry doesn't get?
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  659.  @Wee_Langside  Actually there's a germ of truth, but not exactly. Our house has concrete board siding, which is obviously fire resistant. And roof shingles are fire resistant as well. And of course on the inside of wood houses is plaster board (a.k.a. Drywall) which is non-flammable. So it's nothing like Tokyo in WW2. Tokyo was bamboo and paper construction.
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  660.  @Wee_Langside  One more point, wood is actually a much better material to withstand earthquakes, which are common in several parts of the country. A stone or block house would be ruined and collapse. LA falls into that category.
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  661.  @retroonhisbikes  That's what the Biden administration did for both "expanding EV chargers" (they spent billions and only have less than 10 online). That's what they also did with "connecting people to the internet". They spend $40B and connected.... you guessed it... nobody. That's what politicians do.
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  662. Would it be acceptable to the Defense Ministry if everyone spoke in Pig Latin?
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  663. Kolbev is a remote beer cooler that ensures you always have a brew at the right temperature. It uses the principle of "cold" similar to how you cool things in your "refrigerator"
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  664. Aren't we supposed to say it was a hybrid diesel?
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  665. The people buying EVs when they were novel wanted to be able to show they were personally addressing the discredited climate change . Now that EVs are no longer the latest thing, they want to go back to cars that they simply drive without worrying about range, charging or resale value. As to people expecting the government to build out chargers, why should the taxpayer 100% subsidize the building of the chargers? Government is never a good steward of infrastructure, and it's the least effetive way to get things done.
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  666. Wouldn't we be better off with pedal ambulances rather than EV? Make the patient do a little work along with the driver, and the other guys in the back who aren't doing anything anyway.
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  667.  @KidHorn7001  Keep a couple hundred bucks around for emergencies. Then you can buy gas, even groceries in an emergency
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  668.  @williamhaynes7089  If they "need" them, then why don't they have them? Isn't really that you want these places to have them? And if you really want these chargers everywhere, are you willing to pay $50 for a charge-up? Or are you expecting to be given free electricity and someone to maintain the chargers for you?
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  669.  @7s29  ...because they have a lithium battery...
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  670.  @Tom-dt4ic  lol. Good for you. But EVs have less utility than regular cars, and they're about twice as much as they should cost, given the limitations compared to real cars. Unless your only comparison is "I can go to 0-60 faster than you" If that's your yardstick, then you've found your car. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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  671.  @mrbig7718  but it has happened. You're thinking about a v engine where there is a valley, but there is no valley in a straight 6 or 4. It's rare, but it's dishonest to say it never happens.
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  672.  @mrbig7718  And yet I've seen such a thing happen in traffic. Fire under the hood at a red light for a car in front of me, and the only thing the person could do was get out and watch it burn. I don't know the reason since I was late for work. Yes, it is rare, but it happens. And please note, I'm not an EV person, I think they're actually terrible for the environment, and ultimately much more expensive over time.
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  673.  @sheilaolfieway1885  EVs are a car-b-que waiting to happen.
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  674.  @GT380man  That was always a special deal that was accelerated by forcing us to stay home. That was corruption by Fauci and now we're finding out the US government paid to create the virus.
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  675.  @melissasmess2773  It's there by accident as a product of grain storage. There are maximum amounts by law. That's significantly different than making flour with mealworms.
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  676.  @romanobezuidenhout7506  Well, the UK falls into that group. They throw you in jail for criticizing immigration policy
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  677. The rest of them have functioning brains (not counting the CEO of GM), but when the US administration is throwing 9 billion dollar low-interest loans at them, they have to give lip service to it.
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  678.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  Well, as has been pointed out many times, while petrol/diesel based cars much more frequently (for many reasons), the effect of a lithium is significantly worse at least by an order of magnitude because it burns so hot and cannot be put out.
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  679. Actually it makes sense. Analysts say there's not enough copper in the world for an all-EV future, so if you're going to build chargers, something has to give. In this case, it's existing chargers.
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  680. Why isn't a 210 mile range enough for everybody?
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  681.  @zarthemad8386  Well that's why people should either keep a bicycle or a pair of sturdy walking shoes in their EV.
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  682. The leftists should understand their brains aren't logical and should ask normal people for help to ask if they're being absolutely stupid or not.
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  683. Liberals love "terrible solution automobiles", because they do not want you to own private cars.
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  684. @mguy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dbXhyNWZC0 San Francisco is putting new regulations on Lithium batteries.
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  685. Cold as all get-out in the east coast and snowy, but I had split some wood from my property and I had a glorious day watching Trump as the fireplace crackled all day releasing lots of carbon. Perfect! Also, consider that if Europe bans gas/diesel cars, European makers can set up subsidiaries to create and make gas cars in the US.
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  686.  @urbanspaceman7183  Yeah, that is a perfect description of you. I was trying to be polite, but as you're self-identifying, I have to say "you go, girl".
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  687.  @urbanspaceman7183  You've tried to attack, but you're like a cave man going against a modern army You can't even explain what you're trying to do. If you're likening it to attack, it's much closer to stomping your feet around and everybody else went around you, so you assumed you won. It's funny, but not in the way you imagine.
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  688.  @scaryfakevirus  Which you can prove with something as simple as a level, right? In fact, the ancient Greeks not only proved the world is round, they worked out the circumference with a high degree of accuracy with nothing more than two holes and the sun.
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  689.  @scaryfakevirus  Newton's 2nd law.... a body in motion tends to stay in motion. Motion doesn't affect your weight. If you weigh your self in a truck going 60 MPH or on an airplane at 600 MPH, you'll weigh exactly the same. Acceleration causes you to feel heavier or lighter, not velocity.
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  690.  @scaryfakevirus  centripital force is exerting a constant acceleration on a mass. Remember that a body will travel in a straight line unless there is a vector (acceleration) that is preventing it. In the case of the earth spinning if this thing called "gravity" didn't exist pulling you straight down at 32 f/s you'd fly off the earth immediately, but the reality is that the centripital force is perpendicular to the axis of rotation and isn't enough for you to notice or affect your weight. If the earth's full rotation was about 16 times faster than it is today (a full day & night being 90 minutes) then we'd all fly off the earth, which would make it difficult to type all this into YouTube.
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  691. And keep in mind that assessing risk isn't just the likelihood of the event, but the potential impact if it does happen. Insurers have to take both into account.
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  692. " idiots in government" Redundant statement.
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  693.  @seannewman5391  Well, it's progress that you admit we're coming out of the little ice age, which explains much of the temperature rise in the late 20th century and beyond.
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  694.  @killman369547  For EVs to be more than a curiosity in the US, lithium batteries have to go, and energy density of the replacement has to be about 3x what it is today and about half the weight of lithium batteries.
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  695.  @vanessasorino6463  Not in the US. "they" will shortly be removed from office.
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  696.  @justsomeguy934  Well, you're the one guy who had a terrible experience. Maybe you should have taken your car to a different toyota dealer.
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  697.  @GhostRangerr  When you have two guys, Obama and Biden pushing these kinds of choices, these are people who were in the bottom half of their class in college, were the two worst presidents in the history of the united states, who have no idea about infrastructure and science.... Well, you get magical thinking from these people.
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  698.  @williammeek4078  Bill, not sure where you live, but the body of a car lasts upwards of 25 years. Corrosion is largely a problem of the past.
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  699.  @williammeek4078  Average across what population of cars? Upstate New York? Or Texas?
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  700. There is some speculation on the web that apple or other car companies could pick up struggling manufacturer Rivian
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  701. They didn't even have to do the test. EV's are great at doing 0-60 and commuting to work, but that's kind of the extent of what they do well.
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  702. Maybe we could put water in the panels of the EV, and then put magnifying glasses all over the car to make the water boil, and use it to create steam to drive the car and run a a generator to make electricity. The Stanley Steamer was a real car and it just needs to be developed properly. They won't have issues with cold weather because all that hot water will keep everyone warm.
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  703. Germany is purposely destroying their own economy over the false climate narrative.
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  704. So you're saying that Teslas died, and 3 hours later they came back to life?
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  705.  @FYMASMD  Wildfires are caused by bad forest management that doesn't allow small fires to burn that would use up all the fuel on the forest floor. The immediate cause is generally people accidentally starting the fire. Smokey the Bear was the worst idea ever.
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  706.  @sunrisejak2709  Are you comparing electricity, a physical phenomena, with an electric vehicle? That is an odd comparison.
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  707.  @sunrisejak2709  Not only can I read, I understand physics and chemistry, so I was trying to educate you a little. Apparently I took on an impossible task.
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  708.  @sunrisejak2709  weird.
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  709. It doesn't help that in the US East Coast the temperatures are near 0f (-18C) when EV adherents say you should turn off the heating system to maximize range. Germany apparently would rather self-destruct as a country rather be rational. That's very sad. Hopefully soon, we will realize that Net Zero and elimination of CO2 was a societal contagion that almost drove western society into poverty and ruin.
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  710.  @hokroeger  If only your response made sense, a pithy response could result. Alas, you seem to be writing in the ancient language il-literate.
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  711.  @cujoedaman  I just checked, multiple insurance companies insure classic cars.
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  712. If Volvo would cut prices on EV's to $15K (USD) they could sell a lot of them.
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  713. The teaser imagine on this showed a model S with a broken bumper from a crash with an overlay that says "worth fixing", and my reaction is "No, but primarily because the model S is pretty long in the tooth, not a desirable car these days, even for EV lovers".
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  714. To be clear, "net zero" doesn't mean we don't emit carbon. What "net zero" mean is that we buy imaginary carbon credits from companies that pretend to set aside land in the amazon that will never be audited. So what it really means is... nothing.
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  715.  @williammeek4078  Businesses exist to make profit. That's what they're about.
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  716.  @davecooper3238  I'm quoting US prices
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  717. I have a great idea for EVs, and don't try to steal it because I've patented it. Instead of putting electric wires in the road, put them on cables in the air. And a catenary would go from the back of the car up to the cable, and the range would be infinite. As for detroit spending money on nonsense, perhaps they could spent money on fixing the government in detroit. It could be a great city, but it's run by children.
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  718.  @drstrangelove4998  It is widely understood Biden isn't actually in charge; when you observe him, it's pretty obvious he hasn't the mental capacity to even given a coherent speech. Speculation is that Obama is the shadow government; our press seems supremely uninterested in figuring out what's going on.
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  719. How can they actually stop you from doing that?
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  720. ​ @seannewman5391  Fossil fuel emissions kill MILLIONS every year Pure speculation. There's really no way to actually determine that, which means it's unlikely to be true.
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  721.  @seannewman5391  But these changes mostly happened slowly on the geological scale when there were no humans or very few The data isn't granular enough to even make such a claim. For example, the little ice age started in the 1500's and we have record cold in the 1600's all in less than 100 years. And it lasted for 400 years and ended. Unless scientists can tell us year by year what the temperature on earth everywhere was, that claim is at best misleading.
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  722.  @typhoon320i  Well, if it's natural you have to adapt. In the unlikely chance that it's man-made, we'll have to adapt, because it's not feasibly stoppable at this point.
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  723.  @davidparker7920  Actually, this is what Ford and GM are saying. You'll notice GM's advertising now talks about affordable cars, and they've minimized any talk of EVs. The EV revolution will be delayed by 20 years.
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  724.  @remakeit2628  Tesla does not outsell any other car brand except niche EV makers.
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  725.  @williammeek4078  lol
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  726.  @williammeek4078  well, sure. But due to industry consolidation in 2010, there ain't that many car makers left.
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  727.  @666dynomax  Campaign donations (you need $5-10M to run for the senate, about 1/3 that much to run for the house), and insider trading (no laws against that for congressmen/senators)
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  728.  @jonfrench7133  I3 Full Battery Replacement – $5,000 to $7,000+ – The out-of-pocket cost for a brand new replacement i3 battery pack ranges from about $5,000 on the low end to over $7,000+ depending on the model year and specific battery. Labor costs will also need to be added which account for another $500-$1000. So for as much as $8,000 and with gas at roughly $3/gallon (this week), and an average car getting around 30 mpg, that would take a real car roughly 80,000 miles. And the best part is you can fill your car up in under 5 minutes anywhere in the US.
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  729.  @thedave7760  More like WAH!cism
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  730.  @lordlee6473  Because the left has run off the rails of sanity.
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  731.  @EricSmith-qm7xb Yes, but the difference is that it only loses the investor's money. With government we all pay in various ways through increase regulation, taxes, deficits for our children, all set into motion by bureaucrats who generally exempt themselves while profiting from the bad ideas.
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  732.  @EricSmith-qm7xb  Well, no it doesn't work like that. The government doesn't own all your money and they allow you to keep some of it. The money is yours and mine and we allow the government to take some of it to have an orderly civil society. Increasingly the government is showing they deserve no money since they are spending it in blatantly political ways.
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  733.  @johnmu7034  If you keep your speed down to 40-45 MPH (65 kph) you can probably do a little bit better than 200km. If our planet dies, what good does it do to save people?
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  734. Maybe the point of EVs is to make long-distance travel so painful that you'd never consider it. After all, that's why they invented 15 minute cities, right?
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  735.  @Greatdane-qf8kd  On looking at the pros and cons, e.g. Lower Range, poor range in the cold, poor resale, not good for long trips, you're always tethered to chargers which can't be found on the thousands of miles of interstates or backroads in the US. Gas cars are proven, have long range and are extremely reliable. Oh, and cheaper. That seems pretty rationale if you're willing to be honest.
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  736.  @Greatdane-qf8kd  To each their own. EVs do seem primarily a way to live outside of cities and commute in from your home. If that was my use case, I'd probably feel similarly, but I wouldn't pay more than about $25K (USD) (about €23,300) for a car like that. But even with that, I'd want another car to support long-distance drives that we do a couple times a month.
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  737.  @tigertoo01  It's cheaper to get an emergency generator hooked to you house, using natural gas, propane or diesel.
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  738.  @brianbarcroft9167  You EV haters do get excited don't you? Don't know anyone who hates them, but they're probably twice as expensive as they should be, and they shouldn't be subsidized by taxpayers.
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  739.  @brianbarcroft9167  Range from 306 to 507km depending on model A 1998 Honda Accord Saloon has a range of roughly 770km on a full tank.
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  740.  @bobstirling6885  the only way that can be done is if you lease cars, and then it's simply an business expense. The depreciation is built into the lease. This is not a "write off", and it's not a tax credit. It's the same type of expense that you'd have if you leased office space. Even at that, buying an EV doesn't provide you with a better business expense than regular car. What he's saying is that government subsidies made the car financially interesting enough to make his friend try an EV.
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  741.  @williammeek4078  Billy, it most certainly does not. That would imply it has a cellular connection, which is doesn't. That's very easy to test, BTW. Meanwhile, you need a cellular connection to tell you where the closest charger is, because, well, driving an EV required you to understand where chargers are at all times.
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  742.  @williammeek4078  Billy, cars don't have onstar unless you're buying GM. No GM cars in my fleet Nobody does onstar anymore, since most people have this magic thing called a "cell phone" . Billy, you're thrashing now. Nobody is stopping from loving you EV. But nobody else has to love your EV.
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  743.  @williammeek4078  the problem you have is assuming your ICEV will have a full tank. Jerrycans are a thing.
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  744.  @williammeek4078  Billy, nothing you've said here has made any sense. We're all dumber for having read your posts. You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
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  745.  @aliendroneservices6621  And yet, Toyota will not be producing EVs
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  746.  @seannewman5391  lol. You funny.
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  747.  @jamesblair9614  Why do you think education standards in the US have dropped like a rock without a parachute?
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  748.  @Timbrock1000  Perhaps an EV option with an electric cord that will avoid the problematic battery issue.
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  749.  @rattusfinkus  "all part of the plan" Was terrible range part of the plan? How about unquenchable batteries?
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  750.  @rattusfinkus  Well, that would be a dream for EVs, but they're only at 480 km. When they get rid of Lithium batteries, they may be able to achieve that.
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  751.  @williammeek4078  You're comparing a landmine (gas car) to an atomic bomb (EVs). Yes, landmines go off way more than atomic bombs, but atomic bombs are far more deadly.
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  752.  @williammeek4078  And a regular semi will go twice that long and refuels 100x as quickly.
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  753.  @williammeek4078  up 40% for normal cars. Ford has stopped production of EVs.
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  754.  @maifantasia3650  "You're a farmer that commutes 180kms 130kms" Now you've put this mental picture in everyone's head of Billy Meeks as the farmer in the TV show "Green Acres"
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  755.  @rattusfinkus  well, it was a prototype, and the charge was down to 3%. Anyway, the test was held by the company itself. As you can never trust anything coming from China, we'll wait until it makes it to market to see.
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  756.  @billrehm3590  the "Green New Deal" was essentially gutted. No more spending on new chargers from the federal government. No more federal subsidies for EVs. But look on the bright side. People say all the time on here how they don't need chargers, they charge at home. We're about to test that theory.
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  757. My estimate from a couple years back is because of the increased charge times, you'd need about 8x the number EV chargers as gas pumps, which will require significant investment in industrial 440V lines throughout the country, yes, even in the back woods. Which means more generating capacity as well. The infrastructure costs are really not affordable. It's one of the many reasons that EVs will always be a niche.
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  758. Trump spoke remotely to the WEF this past week and was very clear he intends to significantly ramp up crude oil production and will stop the shuttering of coal & natural gas plants. In addition, the US federal government will stop subsidizing the creation and production of EVs.
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  759. To be fair to Musk, every CEO of car companies will claim they make the best car.
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  760.  @richardkev3077  I would buy one for $20K.
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  761.  @prjndigo  A turbo 4 cylinder in a car can make a lot of zoom. The ford 2.0L ecoboost in ST trim makes 290 lb/ft of torque.
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  762.  @citoante  Who's to say you're not a government agent trying to poison a grass-roots campaign? ;)
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  763. No doubt someone will make it against the Geneva Convention to destroy the solar & wind-powered trucks to charge the tanks.
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  764.  @paulparoma  health concerns were used by the greenies to justify getting rid of natural gas/propane, because, well.... we're going green. Even the typically logical Germans are irrational, shutting down nuclear plants and then firing up coal plants to make up the difference.
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  765.  @MikeJones-mz5ig  Keep in mind, the US Government also told us, due to studies, that eating eggs is bad for you because it causes heart disease. It took them 30 years to admit they were completely wrong.
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  766.  @redbaron6805  They are easily damaged by stones kicking up and minor accidents where there is even a slight dent in the battery makes the car scrap. And no one is recycling batteries. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.
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  767.  @aaronwalderslade  A brand new EV is probably safe in a few inches of water, but once it's 3-5 years old, that would be the end of the car
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  768. I saw the good news that Ford will producing more Bronco's, probably their most desirable vehicle.
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  769. We can't stop the waves. We can't stop the moon traveling around the earth. We can't even stop a tornado or hurricane. But we can change the climate. That's funny stuff.
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  770. The UK is in a bad way. They're jailing people for speaking out against Labor and immigrants. Stalin and Pol Pot are smiling from hell at them, knowing in the end, they won.
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  771. A lot of EVs look like a big bubbles because the battery is so large the car footprint is large too. Teslas may be an amazing bit of technology, but they are ugly in a way most cars aren't. The only ones that look even a little bit attractive are the Volvos (Polecat?) and Volvo already announced they're getting out of the EV game.
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  772. "It's over Johnny.... It's over" - Colonel Trautman
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  773. "Sir, I realize you're bleeding from that sucking chest wound, but we need to wait until it's our turn at the Supercharger; we forgot to plug in after our last run to the grocery store. And by the way, my credit card stripe got demagnetized. Can I borrow yours?"
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  774.  @gravesclayton3604  An armed citizenry is a threat to governments that try to restrict free speech.
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  775.  @MookMineola  It's expensive because no insurance company wants to take on the liability of a battery with hidden damage, so they often want to replace not just the broken parts, but the battery, which very often totals the car.
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  776. The real reason Hertz is dumping their EVs is because they want to make sure low-cost EVs are available to anyone who wants one.
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  777.  @davidpearn5925  Most petrol stations have a standby diesel generator that will power the pumps through show (less than a week) power outage.
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  778.  @angryrabbitproductions1690  Untrue. I won't say any gas cars have a remote kill switch, but congress recently debated it and found that for gasoline/diesel cars the technology does not yet exist to do that safely.
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  779.  @Catsrules1  Again, let me repeat that no gasoline or diesel car made in the US currently has a kill switch. Neither the software nor the hardware exists in existing cars because of cyber and safety issue.
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  780.  @RoverIAC  In the old days, this was called "Stuffing the Channel" to make sales look better for shareholders.
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  781.  @Audioremedy0785  A distinction without a difference. If the manufacturers have a 1:5 ratio of EVs to real cars, that's what they'll ship to the dealers. So the dealer ends up with EVs on the lot that are hitting their floor plan and costing them money.
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  782.  @AlaskanInsights  YouTube only allows links within YouTube. It has never allowed outside links.
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  783.  @AlaskanInsights  "That is why you don't see links from outside or inside..." For links from YouTube itself (Inside), you can do them to link to another video. Try it yourself. From links outside of YouTube, they hasn't allowed them for at least 15 years. Those are the simple facts. There's no censorship going on with links as long as they're from other videos on YouTube
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  784.  @Audioremedy0785  " what’s happening to all the ICE cars" If they're on a Honda or Toyota lot, they're selling pretty quickly. The local Toyota dealer used to keep 200-300 Toyotas on the lot at all times. Now he has 15. Similarly the Honda dealer I buy from used to have over 100 cars, now they have about 25. You're looking on a Jeep or GMC lot, they're not selling.
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  785.  @AlaskanInsights  "you don't post links to other peoples channels in comments" It happens all the time. It's not "uncool". Perhaps in your mind it's "uncool", but it's not. It's quite helpful to do that. And no one has to approve it. It just appears.
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  786.  @AlaskanInsights  only the people with content that isn't that compelling. People with good content and who get a lot of views really couldn't care less. Even MGUY who has 71K subscribers doesn't mind.
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  787.  @Audioremedy0785  All EVs are selling with huge discounts and taxpayers footing a big chunk of the bill. You can expect the subsidies to go away next year.
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  788.  @AlaskanInsights  If that makes you feel better, than that's great. But you're just being silly now. It's not a good look for a "content creator" (lol)
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  789.  @danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307  You're the one who made the claim EVs pollute less than normal cars, and you provided nothing to prove it. That was your imagination. No science to back it up.
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  790.  @redbaron6805  Presumably, you're the opinion guy and everyone else are fact people.
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  791.  @williamchamberlain2263  Are you saying you don't like cocoa? Are you angry your mother doesn't make it for you?
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  792.  @typhoon320i  The so-called simplicity of EVs has not led to better reliability, and that battery hanging on that thin piece of metal underneath is a terrible design, as a single stone can render the entire car worthless if it compromises the battery. Also keep in mind that the only people who can fix these cars when they break is Tesla, since virtually every part on their cars are serialized meaning that the equivalent of the ECU needs to be programmed to take almost any repair part. Why does the consumer care? Take a look at the VW ID.4; when motors failed the cars sat for months because only the factory could program the VIN into the tool. If you're a mechanic, look in your scanner to see if it can program the ECU for any electric car. If the answer is no, then it's a terrible idea to buy one. If you can't buy parts from 3rd parties, it's a terrible idea to buy a car like that.
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  793.  @typhoon320i  I actually got rear ended in mine, and the structural bumper had to be replaced. ECU didn't need to be reprogramed at all Well no sh*t that a piece of metal didn't need to be reprogrammed. Did you believe it would need to be reprogrammed? Does your bumper plug into the ECU? But the point still holds, does your scan tool support Tesla or any electric car? Where would you go to get a new traction motor? If you need a new battery, where is the 3rd party battery source to compete with Tesla? I don't care that you like your electric car. But trying to claim it's better than a Honda Civic is so easily shown to be false not just because of range, cold weather performance, reliability, but because I can go to any shop in the world and get my Civic fixed.
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  794. If you actually care about green energy, you should be an enthusiastic adherent of nuclear power. It has the least environment impact of any power source. I frankly don't even care about stuff like that, since this is all nonsense.
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  795.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  If you have oil all over your car, sounds like something's broken.
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  796. That new Jag looks like a Buick (US brand from GM). So much for "Copy Nothing".
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  797. Doing a little stoichiometry : Jerry Can + 20kg BTX --> 2 long-range Tesla batteries - ☠ harm to planet ;)
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  798. This is obviously a lie. We all know that all new cars will be EVs by 2035, and why would a government be stupid enough to mandate something that doesn't work really really really well?
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  799.  @butspan7618  so you turn off the heat when it gets down to zero degrees. Brilliant. Most people would not have thought of that.
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  800. Huh. I dunno. EVs take us back to the golden age of motoring (1908) when you needed to bring blankets in the winter because cars didn't have heaters. They're kind of charming.
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  801. Can we just use the shorter, and more descriptive phrase than EV Fires ? These are Car--B--Ques
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  802. If you want a net-zero future, go live in the woods. That's the only way to accomplish it. And even then, you can't cut down trees for fires. Let us know how it all works out for you.
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  803. I would buy a 1 year old Model 3 for $10K
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  804.  @thefreestylefrEaK  You may not be able to if the values continue to drop.
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  805. You tend to get the fanatics on social media.
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  806. You got it. It's why the EU is considering restricting people to one flight every few year to "save us from carbon". No doubt the elites will be exempt by accident of birth. It feels like they want to take us back to the days before the Magna Carta.
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  807.  @leegoodman297  The issue is civilization didn't start until 100000 years ago when it was much cooler, our way of life and cities are built around a cooler planet Well, then we need to adapt to a warmer climate. It's coming regardless of what we do.
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  808.  @leegoodman297  Climate is not within human's control. That's not defeatist, that's a fact. If we all went back to horses and population was 10% of what it is, the climate would warm.
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  809.  @TroySavary  It doesn't at all. I'm just wondering why it matters for you how long it takes to charge at a public charger, since you don't use them.
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  810. If you think about it, the less people around, the more easily NHS can balance it's books.
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  811.  @softwarephil1709  It's a fair trade to destroy the environment to save it.
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  812. @@Ad_Blocker_For_YouTube Nobody denies we have a climate. You need to do better.
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  813. @@Ad_Blocker_For_YouTube Don't blame me for your illiteracy. Blame your parents for letting you smoke pot in the basement instead of studying for 3rd grade English. And also, no one denies climate change, so you're just floundering right now.
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  814.  @stewart5989  No EV charges in 15 minutes, and why would the taxpayers want to pay for putting emergency EV battery chargers for police everywhere when we have these things called "gas stations" that already have the capability.
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  815.  @stewart5989  Charging is 1 hour based on a test by US News and World report from August of 2023 with the title How Long Does It Take To Charge a Tesla? They would appear to be unbiased. Sounds like you would also suggest we should have kept telephone booths rather than mobile phones Well, if you're comparing EVs to a mobile phone, mobile phones would weigh as much as a telephone booth, would have a standby time of 4 hours and talk time of 15 minutes, but the Mobile Fanatics would say it's not a big deal because they never talk on the phone more than 15 minutes, and they only charge it at home anyway.
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  816.  @stewart5989  You've pointed out another issue with batteries. If you actually use them to the advertised range, you'll destroy the battery pretty quickly. The practical range of an EV assumes you won't charge more than 80% and won't let it get below 20%, taking 40% of the full range away. And yes, I always take my car down to 2-3 gallons left and fill it completely up in 2-3 minutes. That's the advantage of the gas cars, you get to use the entire range particularly when you go on long trips.
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  817. Maybe when I retire I can make money by recycling EV chargers and windmills (legally of course) because by then people will have come to their senses.
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  818. @ThomasJansen-z1p What a precious response! Is your degree from Oxford or Cambridge?
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  819. @ We are. The Auto industry is failing in the EU, a lot of them are setting up factories in the US where they will continue to make real cars. At some point, BMW and Audi might be US brands. Oh, and recently, Porsche announced they are moving away from EVs since their customers don't want them
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  820. Well, Biden is "senile", so perhaps that plays a role.
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  821.  @InternetExplorer-s9g  EVs can run on normal tires That technically true, although they wouldn't last long. The significant weight of the batteries in an EV wears out tires much more quickly than an equivalent normal car. In addition, EV tires are far more expensive as well.
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  822.  @HomesteadEngineering  " EV's are the future. You can count on it." They may be, but not in the present early development form. They really do need to make batteries last for 25 years, and they need to get energy density in batteries much closer to the energy density of gasoline/diesel. There are no batteries even in labs that can do this at present. If they succeed, it won't be with battery chemistry based on lithium.
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  823.  @InternetExplorer-s9g  And yet Pitrlli says: "“Developing a tire specifically for electric vehicles requires a number of considerations you do not encounter when working with internal combustion engines,” said Ian Coke, chief technical officer at Pirelli North America. “Electric vehicles are heavier, have more powerful and faster acceleration off the line, and require lower rolling resistance.”"
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  824.  @arsyadidris6349  Well don't forget the studies that were highlighted in the WSJ that claimed that an EV battery would have to last 70 years to make up for the CO2 released during the making of the battery. Now me, I don't believe CO2 is the boogieman that is currently claimed. In fact several peer reviewed papers are questioning if CO2 is relevant to global warming at all.
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  825. They consider you a serf, serving for their pleasure.
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  826.  @gerbre1  China doesn't care about the climate or even basic ecology. Because words are kind of meaningless especially coming from Chinese leadership. Actions matter more than anything. But people in the west are so hooked on virtue signaling that they care about the latest thing they let their feelings override logic and common sense. We see a lot of that lately.
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  827.  @williammeek4078  EV sales aren't going up as quickly as forecast, that's the issue. And the forecast was based on a curve that said we'd be mostly buying EVs by 2030. The chances of that happening are remote.
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  828.  @gerbre1  That's great, so why are they building coal plants at a much faster rate? Is the answer perhaps... just perhaps ... that solar and wind are at best ancillary power sources that are the least efficient way to generate large amounts of electricity?
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  829.  @gerbre1  China wants to reduce emissions beginning with 2030 according to the long term plans Frankly, I'd wait until China has demonstrated they're shutting down all their coal plants before committing to anything. BTW, it is an impossibility for us to become carbon neutral. That's more of a slogan than an actual goal, especially when you consider the way we're achieving carbon neutrality is by pretending that we're not going to cut down forests in an amount equal to the to the carbon dioxide we emit.
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  830.  @beatreuteler  EV sales in the US have effectively flatlined, and the existing administration will be gone in another years, so a lot of the goals set up will be eliminated.
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  831.  @beatreuteler  The US is the largest single market for cars in the world.
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  832. So you're saying the Chinese were silent but deadly?
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  833. Never heard of a lead acid battery causing a car fire. I have seen one explode because of a faulty cell, but that didn't cause a fire.
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  834.  @dougfisher1813  Well we can solve that by putting a sticker under the hood "DO NOT HAMMER ON THE BATTERY TERMINAL". What sticker shall we use for EV's?
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  835. And..... now the final straw that will put to rest the idea that EVs are better for the environment, quoted in the WSJ this morning: Now comes an update from the natural-resource consultants Goehring & Rozencwajg that only darkens the picture. Despite some of the greenest electricity on Earth, a Norwegian still needs to get 45 years of use out of his imported EV battery (expected life 15 years) to offset the global CO2 cost of producing it As I've repeatedly said, the problem with EVs is the lithium battery. They cannot succeed until a significantly better battery formulation comes along. Lithium is a dead-end.
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  836. Every two weeks we hear about are revolutionary new battery, and we've been hearing about them for 5 years. And here we are stuck with lithium ion batteries that are expensive, limited, and still can only go 300 miles, and last 10 years.
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  837. @ Climate Activism is the Cargo Cult of the 21st century. The irony is the people in the Climate Cult believe they're smart than anyone else, while the reality is the exact opposite is true.
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  838. @ It's a form of control for the populace
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  839. @ There was a time from roughly 1930 to 1990 where there were special tax break for extracting oil, but those are long gone. The oil companies get the same tax breaks as any other mining company.
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  840. @ These people will never be convinced that their religion of global warming was a grift from the word go.
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  841. @ Can you cite any special subsidy for oil that isn't used by every other business? Not the accelerated depreciation allowance; that was effectively ended 25 years ago.
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  842. Technically every petrol car is an EV since it has an alternator & battery that drives the engine. Maybe the thing to do is just declare every car an EV and then the transition is complete.
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  843.  @derekdrummond7544  Seems pretty hard to believe, unless oil companies employed hit-squads to kill people when they leave their company. I've heard people say thing like "big oil buys up all the patents for alternative fuel vehicles", not really understanding that patents don't afford secrecy; all patents are publicly searchable.
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  844.  @doubleooh7337  It's so effectively I just read an article the other day that said the oceans are about to freeze in just a few years. Due to global warming... or something like that. No joke. I believe in the science man. After all climate change... Gretel Thunderbird... scientific consensus. They can't all be wrong, can they?
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  845.  @Acemeistre  It comes from the WEF.
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  846.  @Acemeistre  They post their goals openly, and every leader in the world goes to their annual meeting and espouses their goals. So apparently, those with much ignorance don't understand that aspect of the WEF.
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  847.  @Acemeistre  Well 15 minute cities, "you will own nothing and be happy", "The Great Reset" all come from the WEF, and countries are starting to implement these nutty ideas. Nobody's blaming anyone except our politicians who follow and push this stuff on the masses. The reality is Climate Science at this point is an oxymoron. We have neither the data to make it a science, and the solutions being offered are worse than the imagined problem. They will make us poorer, hungrier, and less safe.
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  848. Battery Recycling Is Difficult, Dangerous and Toxic Sure, but it's saving the planet. So it's a trade-off.
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  849. I like that you're trolling all the EV crazies. Nicely done.
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  850.  @JunkyardDog-q1h  The daffodil in my backyard has entered the chat...
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  851.  iscadean  Sounds inefficient and costly. Why not just use coal?
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  852.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  One thing that these anti-EV zealots don't get is that fossil fuels are a commodity So is electricity. So are pork bellies. Do you think you discovered something magical?
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  853.  @Neojhun  it literally is It literally is abiotic
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  854.  @vasil7410  You might have to wait 50 years, so good advice would be to pull the covers over your head and wait it out.
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  855.  @EliteRock  The exact definition of "factoid" is something stated as a fact that is actually false. So congratulations on one of the few people who know what a factoid is.
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  856.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  "Google it if you like" That's funny stuff. The reality is for all that supposed efficiency, the batteries are the weak point for EVs and not just a small weak point, but a major weak point. The power source hasn't the energy density needed, Lithium is fairly dangerous when it catches fire, Lithium cannot be charged quickly or it will heat up both destroying the battery and catching fire. And finally the construction of a Lithium battery is such that when a few key cells go bad, the entire $50K battery has to be replaced. The usual comeback is "they work well enough for me", try to be a little more creative in a way that doesn't assume you're a typical user.
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  857.  @jim9930  Well Jim, the good Lord never promised us the weather nor the climate would always be fair, and the rivers would flow. The schemes of men are not to be trusted, especially when they involve "The Science (tm)"
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  858.  @jasonhutcheon5991  so your theory is @sirjohng1 is a paid commenter on YouTube. Who's paying him? Because I want to get in on that sweet cash.
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  859.  @Vagabond_Etranger  No, because the FBI are tracking their own people.
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  860.  @WillN000  ? Not sure of the context here?
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  861.  @allenhill4578  Actually larger filling stations generally do keep diesel generators around precisely because electric power in storm conditions tends to be unreliable. So this is not unusual. The nice part about a generator like this is that the diesel fuel will often last for weeks if used intelligently, giving people a chance to recover very quickly in a storm. And flooding only affect low-lying areas.
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  862. Rube Goldberg is laughing at these schemes.
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  863. The reason they're getting banned from car parks is insurance. Insurance companies basically set the safety rules for commercial organizations, otherwise the insurers won't cover them.
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  864. My good friends who are huge EV believers in this channel has assured me that not only are long-haul trucks feasible, they will get here within the year.
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  865.  @aygwm  No, the cloud is literally green, because even the smoke from an EV is good for the environment. Fact.
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  866.  @travelwithtony5767  Well, except they are bringing back propeller driven aircraft because of lower operating costs, better maneuverability, and shorter runways needed.
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  867.  @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270  And electric cars don't turn lithium batteries into more electricity either. The comparison you're trying to make really isn't apt.
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  868. Here on the east coast, it's snowing like it hasn't for years (we'll get over a foot), and temperature is low 20's. The perfect day to not have an EV.
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  869.  @justsomeguy934  There is no reason for electric cars to exist given how fundamentally better gas/diesel cars are compared with EVs. End the taxpayer subsidies now and let the market decide. And no, you don't know what you're talking about. They failed in the 20th century, they're failing again int he 21st century. Let the corpse of the electric car lie in peace.
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  870. Will keep building PETROL engines into 2030s! Oh at least. That's the signal that petrol-based cars will be preeminent into the 2050, assuming EVs find a better battery chemistry than lithium and are able to produce them at scale much more cheaply.
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  871.  @PeterGardner-e1z  In the US we still have a company that makes washers in the US, and it's still considered the most robust washer available and you turn a dial and press a button. Ironically the cheaper washers don't have this type of computer control, a timer dial and a start button. Apparently despite being relatively cheap, they last a long time as well.
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  872. From an EV perspective, LA drivers will be in trouble. California has mandated EVs and with the grid in a precarious state, people will be walking in LA (Like the old song goes).
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  873. That's why China is building coal plants at break-neck speed. That amount of electricity ain't coming from sunshine and wind.
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  874.  @thomasreilly6362  Well, yes and no. Here's the advice given to Finnish motorists with an EV: The battery of an electric car should always be preheated in freezing temperatures, says special traffic expert Hanna Kalenoja from the Finnish Information Centre of Automobile Sector. Preheating conserves battery life because it does not then need to be used to heat the car Kalenoja recommends keeping EVs charged in severe frozen conditions even when they're not in regular use. Extreme cold can damage the car if it stands idle for long periods on an empty battery, she warns It is also reported that cold temperatures in Finland means that you'll pay 100€ for the electricity to charge your car up from about 40€ in milder seasons.
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  875. If the world seriously believed CO2 was an evil gas, they'd be building nuclear plants as a top priority, bu they're not. Which tells you the whole thing is a scam.
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  876. @ Which huge subsidy do oil companies get that other industries don't get?
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  877.  @markseehawer3762  That's absolutely true. And the problem with an EV fire is it can't be put out.
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  878. All cults have special rules, it's part of the appeal to the cultists ;)
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  879.  @Jacob-yb6bv  I suspect Ford and GM in the US have already realized that the EV is a quick path to bankruptcy; so much so that even with the $9B+ provided by Biden is just a drop in the bucket, so that's why they've stopped making them already in favor of cars people want... Ford Broncos (it's on my list), Pickup Trucks, Mustang GTs. I'm sure GM makes some cars that people want (Corvette?) but can't really think of any.
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  880.  @davidparker7920  If you can smell petrol in your car, it's a problem with the fuel system. Please get that checked so you aren't putting yourself in danger.
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  881.  @RetiredPilot  Seriously, buy land and live away from cities. You'll find really nice people suitably far away from you, and those kinds of people will help you out in an emergency.
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  882.  @davidparker7920  "All new cars have got really expensive" It's all relative, but you can get a Honda civic for around $30K US (about 24K Pounds), seats four adults comfortably, large boot (trunk) gets about 40 MPG overall, it has a nice sound system, good zip around town and will last you 15 years with minimal maintenance. There's really nothing equivalent to that in EVs. And from a TCO viewpoint, no EV can begin to touch that.
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  883.  @TheZodiacz  cars will become targets for fun and games Weird.
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  884.  @davidparker7920  They've actually plateaued; the people who wanted them bought them in 2023
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  885.  @Withnail1969  Buy a used one. Apparently they're cheap.
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  886.  @BD-bditw  lol
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  887.  @NonConformist-ys4wr  Advertising gets people to buy a particular brand, but it doesn't make people want something they don't want.
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  888.  @jamessmyth5949  They then storm off in disgust looking to chat to someone who owns an ICE car.... But they can't find them, because the gasoline powered cars are another 300km down the road and already at their destination with their cars safely parked.
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  889.  @sassy6292  They were until they realized it was electric and they felt the owner was already punished enough.
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  890. Which is why buying any of these new manufacturer's EVs it' a major risk. Do not buy an EV. If you must have one, lease one so the leasing company is stuck with a car that can't is less than useless.
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  891.  @mastermnd22  It makes perfect sense. It's weird you don't understand. But no worries, I'll type slowly: If you buy a car (any car) you need to be able to reasonably sure that the manufacturer will be able to support it for at least a decade, preferably two decades. In addition, you want a second source for parts in case the manufacturer stops making parts for your particular model. But with an EV now you have to ensure they will continue to provide software updates for 1-2 decades.
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  892. @DW11111 He's a train engineer.
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  893.  @evfactsnotliesplease  Toyota has never sold Hydrogen cars to consumers. In Paris, they have trialed hydrogen vehicles to fleets.
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  894.  @evfactsnotliesplease  You've provided an anecdote, which is interesting, but it's not data.
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  895.  @evfactsnotliesplease  well, the stats on resale value of EVs are well-documented
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  896.  @ouethojlkjn  No, he has it exactly right. Empty petrol tanks can be dangerous because gasoline has to be in vapor form before it explodes. That's what fuel injection or carburetors do. Regular gas just burns like wood or paper. Empty gas tanks are a misnomer. They lack much liquid, but what's left in the tank is gasoline vapor.
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  897. This reminds me of my grandfather's comments on early cars where the engines weren't built to tight tolerances, and he's have to stop every 75 miles to put in another quart of oil.
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  898. So.... 9% of Americans are lying?
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  899.  @Sonshine70s  May be it is a good analogy. Nuclear submarines use hot water/steam created by fission products. Which is the smart way to build the grid, with nuclear energy.
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  900.  @solentbum  hydrolock. It's a thing. That's why you take a vehicle meant for fording streams into those types of conditions (i.e. a Jeep or Landcruiser with a snorkel)
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  901.  @daveyjones5702  Gasoline fires can be put out with a household fire extinguisher. How do you put out an EV battery fire?
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  902. ​ @c6h5choh-cn82  and the reason the US Navy uses lead acid batteries instead of lithium is Lead-acid batteries have a lower cost per unit of energy. This is due to the lower cost of materials used in lead-acid batteries. Adding to the cost of lithium-ion batteries is that they require protection circuitry for safety and to prevent overcharge and overdischarge. Lithium-ion batteries have a poor tolerance to overdischarging and overcharging.
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  903.  @williammeek4078  You literally hear about every single EV fire everywhere around the world except China Because the press in China is controlled by the government, and you don't print bad news about their favored technologies when they're trying to convince people in the west to buy their cars.
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  904.  @markcummings150  As Thomas Dolby noted when an EV goes underwater One of Our Submarines is Missing
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  905.  @i6power30  Rivian's ground clearance is a hair under 15 inches. Still getting your battery that close to the water is asking for trouble, since fording a stream often may take you down further than you can predict.
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  906.  @badchefi  The reality is that lithium batteries make this concept silly because of the long charge times and the vulnerability of the battery itself around ordinance. Lithium is a terrible material to build large scale batteries and until someone comes up with an alternative, EVs will be a niche.
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  907.  @PSUQDPICHQIEIWC  They push cities for multiple reasons that boil down to "We don't think people make the right choices where to live". The irony is the bulk of the heat is being created in these megacities. If they cared about the planet, they'd want people to live far apart in lower concentrations.
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  908. Absolutely true. And Climate Fanatics are also the people who hate the people who refuse to live in cities. They believe those people are "stealing" from the cities for not paying taxes to support what they believe is the "wonderful" life, even though the crime in rising because of the importation of 3rd-world men into countries with little or no vetting, while at the same time reducing policing and conviction of criminals. You can understand why the people are not in favor of this nonsense.
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  909.  @erik_dk842  Hilarious stuff, right?
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  910. Do we really need more government regulations? The reality is half the drivers are fiddling with their phones on the road, and that is far more distracting than any touch screen. Let consumers decide what they want.
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  911. People have been killed by EV fires. One example was in April of 2023. Search for Dead passenger ID’d in fiery Tesla crash on Sunset Strip
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  912. In this case, the climate hoax was started with the worst intentions though.
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  913.  @my3dviews  Only because of the EPA exemption.
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  914. @ What principle is at stake?
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  915. Well, obviously some people are getting value from these first generation products. It would be nice to see it mature and evolve to eliminate lithium batteries entirely, significantly better range and much more sophistication. What we can see right now with the level of maturity that they're not a replacement for gas/diesel cars & trucks, nor should they be positioned as a replacement. Certainly they won't save the planet (not that it needs saving in the least). Like any new (and revolutionary) product it has it's fanatics and detractors. But you can see this will take a long time to sort out, given the complexity of the battery problem. And it's very possible EVs will disappear if something new and better comes out. There's a lot of investment going on in this area, so anybody who claims that one technology has won obviously doesn't remember the PC/Mac wars of the late 80's & early 90's.
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  916. That reminds me... I've got to watch F1 qualifying today.
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  917. The Reward is the Punishment.
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  918. It was going to happen regardless of which president was in there. While EVs have come an amazingly long way in the past 10 years, they're still 90 years behind where gas/diesel cars are now. It's just sad to see a tiny minority get so vested in the technology that they seem to be driving themselves crazy to "correct" misinformation about their favorite technology. Maybe they don't have children and have nothing else to love?
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  919. Apparently our government overloads believe we need to destroy the earth to save it.
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  920.  @1Electricman  The law had nothing to do with cell phones.
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  921. The people who really believe the "climate change" nonsense go about it with a religious fervor. Their tell is they say I believe in the science , as if science was a belief hierarchy, and it gets settled by a lot of scientist saying they believe it too.
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  922.  @stupich5868  They will certainly lock the car if it's standing still but try pulling up on that handbrake at 100kph. It won't do anything.
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  923.  @derekcable Leave them in there fine. But if I turn them off, they stay off. If you confuse driving with pushing a grocery cart, they help you. But otherwise they're actually worse than useless.
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  924.  @stupich5868  depends on the car. Many cars employ a small set of brake pads specifically for the parking brake on the inner part of disc, which are a separate mechanism than the brakes that stop you. Perhaps you drive a car with drum brakes.
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  925.  @solentbum  their COG is pretty high, so that probably explains it
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  926. Wait until those people with the supersized batteries have to replace them. Or perhaps they were smart enough to have a 3 year lease and stick the guy after them with the cost.
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  927.  @Theweouthereforrealclub-  Modern cars last far long than the ones people remember in the 70's and 80's Plastic doesn't rust, and the ODB2 ports track down problems much quicker than the old "stethoscope on the engine" method of solving problems.
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  928. The prank was when the new cars looked like a Buick. Oh wait...that wasn't a prank?
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  929. It's an interesting technology, but we're a long way away from driverless cars being reliable enough to be acceptable. And yes, people make mistakes when driving, but the nature of self-driving cars means they have to be fairly close to flawless. Maybe 20 years from now? People thought we'd have them by now, but it appears the technology plateaued and we'll be waiting a while.
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