Comments by "TeeKay" (@teekay_1) on "EV Sales Crash: Average families are NOT buying EVs | MGUY Australia" video.

On the C&D website, well-off people are defending $100K EVs because "all new technology is expensive". When you point out that you can buy a non-EV for far less than that, there's a lot of derision and excuses like "this is faster than a sports car". It's detached from reality.
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The greenest car in the world is the one you already own. Right now, EVs won't be environmentally sound until they get rid of Lithium from the storage cells; Lithium batteries are fussy in terms of charging and if you don't baby them, they'll lose capacity fairly quickly (which is why no EV maker will warranty batteries longer than 8 years). Once that battery pack is no longer fit, the car is essentially scrap. These are first generation products, and anyone with common sense will wait until the 2nd generation products are available. That may be quite a while since the early adopters have... adopted it and the general public has already spoken on the topic. EVs simply aren't good enough today.
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@egaskrad There's lots of people claiming new battery tech is right around the corner. I hope it does work, but people should be skeptical about claims of "next year a whole new battery tech will be available". I've heard that story for 4 years, and yet here we are with unworkable lithium batteries.
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It's detached from reality. What they're really saying is they don't want you to own a private vehicle. The whole purpose of 15 minute cities is to strip people of their ability to travel at will.
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@andrewflies9119 wealthy people buy them to show how much they care about the environment.
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@remakeit2628 It's easy to be "massively up" when you start from such a small number. And normal car sales are not collapsing; the problem right now is makers are subsidizing EV sales by raising the price of gas powered cars, making both EVs and normal cars extremely expensive.
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@williammeek4078 They're still all first generation. Generations of cars usually include significant upgrades in forms of new technology. What we're seeing now is refinement to the electric cars that were made almost 10 years ago. By the 2nd generation, EVs need to be so good that (1) it is better in every meaningful measurement than a gas car (range, charge time, resistance to cold and heat) (2) Cheaper than the cars they replace and (3) no longer needs taxpayer money to subsidize buyers.
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@williammeek4078 Ah, but the problem with lithium batteries is they can't put out if they catch on fire. You can push them into a lake, and they still burn.
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@petergosney6433 "ALL cars on the roads are subsidised in one way or another. " Name the biggest subsidy that all cars get.
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@georgebeare8883 That's interesting. In the US the press has generally followed the government lead in claiming EV are the way to go, even enthusiasts magazines are now touting green. What I've noticed is that "authorities" in the US will show that a gas/diesel car has $5-7K in maintenance costs in the first five years. I own several cars and I've never had anything close to those costs. In fact, the total bill for three cars made since 2014 has been somewhere around $1,500 and that includes oil changes. Further, they use statistics like "the average gas/diesel cars lasts a decade", which is obviously false. The average age of a car in the US is 12.2 years , and assuming a somewhat normal distribution, it means that gas/diesel powered cars are actually quite roadworthy for at least two decades. It's madness.
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@woolychewbakker5277 Presumably you mean in another 20 years that's what you see as the future.
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Search for "The hidden subsidies of EVs". In particular you should find a study called "TPPF Releases Study Exposing the True Cost of Electric Vehicles"
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@andyman8630 Not really. If you're talking about factory depreciation and such, car makers get the same tax breaks as every other industry.
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@petergosney6433 Since EV and Gasoline powered cars are generally made by the same car makers, wouldn't you could "bailouts" for both? And no, EVs are getting special tax breaks. Studies in the US indicate that EVs are getting a hidden subsidy of around $50K per vehicle. That does not count the up-front subsidies from the federal government nor does it count multiple states that don't charge sales tax on EVs or plug in hybrids.
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@petergosney6433 Yes, GM and Chrysler got bailouts but they're the same companies making EVs (also the federal government screwed the GM bondholder out of their money) Ford did not receive a bailout in 2009. They had competent leadership at the time and opened lines of credits with multiple banks to get them through the crisis. The only reason companies like GM and Ford are making EVs at all is because the EVs have significant subsidies in the form of low or no cost loans and outright subsidies that people have valued at up to $50K per car. If you look at their balance sheet, even with massive subsidies EVs are dragging down profits from gas powered cars.
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@williammeek4078 Untrue. Henry Ford didn't receive any subsidies from the government, nor did the Dodge Brothers. Nor did Ransom Olds. Those pioneers simply made a product that people wanted to buy at a reasonable price. No government was involved.
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@remakeit2628 Tesla does not outsell any other car brand except niche EV makers.
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@williammeek4078 lol
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@williammeek4078 well, sure. But due to industry consolidation in 2010, there ain't that many car makers left.
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