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Comments by "John D" (@johnd8892) on "American Reacts to AUSSIE MOPAR! E49 Charger HEMI Six" video.
Out of the factory the best they got was 302 HP. Still amazing for a 265 cui six naturally aspirated. With the four speed gearbox they could out accelerate the competition over the quarter mile.
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Lot of love for the Valiant Chargers here in Australia being the underdog car doing more with less. Some wins here but usually out gunned by Ford Falcon and Holden Torana. In New Zealand they dominated on there tracks and drivers. Won their biggest race for years in a row. Rare to find any hate for them here. A good one gets big money but not as much as the stratospheric amounts the top Falcons and Holden's go for.
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Australia usually avoided the larger engine options, but when the Valiant was introduced here in 1962 we went 225 only and so avoiding the smaller US 170 models. The Valiants here were the big power cars against the Holdens and Falcons. 145 BHP in the Valiants 75 BHP Holden 80 BHP Falcon when the Valiant was introduced. Valiants were first with a V8 option in 1965. Ford and Holden played catch up until the 1967 Falcon GT.
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Weber in Italy developed the carb setup. Legend has it the Charger test mule is still there.
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Plenty of room for the 318, 340 and 360 engine options. Although always automatic from factory.
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Only the 225 six for the R and S Valiants here if in original condition. 273 V8 came two models later in 1965.
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On Glenn Everett's site, where this came from, his second most recent vid is about his own S series Valiant . This is the same model as the blue and silver car pulling out of the pits. Glenn gives a great background of his black car and their history in Australia.
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Link to it https://youtu.be/zPBGrBw8VjE
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Search Barra 2200 HP to see the ultimate one so far.
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Phillip island track definitely not just amateurs. Holds two world championship rounds for MotoGP and world Superbike. Also V8 Supercar rounds. Large grass run offs are good for motorbikes and cars. Amature type races also run frequently with the run offs helping for safety and car damage sake. Unlike other tracks with lots of concrete barriers lining the track. Cars still get scary fast according to my friends experiences driving on it.
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Except it was called the Armstrong 500 for the first three years at Phillip island. 1960, 1961 and 1962.
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The VH Valiant and Charger story in more detail touching on how well they sold as a two door https://youtu.be/uZwWmTuwzts
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Ford UK at the same time as the Cortina also made a few larger cars like the six cylinder Zephyr of near early Falcon size. UK buyers made the cheaper Cortina the top selling Ford there. Ford would have loved to sell as many of the more expensive Zephyrs but buyers were cash strapped for purchase price and petrol taxes. Same with the later Granada looking like an XD Falcon. Ford here were nearly going to manufacture the earlier Zephyr here until they saw the first secret Falcons in the US.
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A search for Barra 2200 HP will reward.
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This is Phillip island track in Victoria, Eastern creek is in NSW. The MotoGP shifted from the creek to Phillip island. MotoGP riders love the island. Chrysler also had a 215 hemi six as the cheapest option. Still more power than the Holden and Ford sixes of the day unless an XU1.
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@johncunningham4820 215 not as well known https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi-6_Engine
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Likely the Cortinas were standard shells upgraded with newer hotter motors and painted to look like the rare and expensive Lotus Cortina models that were only imported here in small numbers. Originals likely too expensive to race these days. However lots of standard Cortina models assembled by Ford here with some local content.
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V8 rarer than the 265, 245 and 215 sixes but there were 318, 360 and the rarest 340 V8 options versions of the Charger. Mostly the same options of the same years Valiants.
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Search Barra 2200 HP to see even more power on the dyno by Maria Passos.
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If you got attracted to the $2795 cheap advertised price of the Charger you got a 215 small version of the motor. Once in the dealer the upsell began.
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All Valiants had the 225 cui with 145 HP as standard up until the 1970 hemi six models. By the time of the first Valiant the Holden was up to 75 up after the earliest ones had 60 HP. So the Valiant, with near twice the power of the Holden, was considered an affordable rocket ship if you could find a dealer that had not quickly sold out of the early ones. Valiant was the first of these size cars with a V8 option on the 1965 AP6 Regal. One model before the VC. But aimed at the luxury market with high spec trim and auto only. Unusual that most US early Valiants had a smaller 170 cui slant six that never came here.
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Also later came with a 360 option and just a few with the 340. But I believe all automatic versions aimed at luxury market and not raced.
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The R and S were assembled here from imported US CKD kits with some local content added. Search YouTube for shannons club tv r s Valiant For more of the story and how quickly they sold out. Plymouth Valiant in the US with smaller engine options. Chrysler Valiant only here until the much later cheap Dodge ute version only for a few years.
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No slant for these, as can be seen when the engine is shown. Last slant 225 were with the 1969 VF models.
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Only the 225 was a slant six. All the others were variations of the new for 1970 hemi engine. All these are normal vertical sixes as can be seen when the engine is shown on this one.
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@russellhorsefield9199 I would trust the vast amount of documentation in print and film of the 225 slant six and Chrysler Australia's move to the vertical hemi six for the other sixes than your memory. Unless you can point to something that does not rely on your memory. Do you still claim the other sizes were slants as well?
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The Hey Charger TV ads got nearly every kid doing the sign and catch phrase to every Charger they saw. https://youtu.be/PZdp9Eavi5g Chargers still get a few today from much older kids.
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@theghost6412 AP6 then VC Regals only at first as per Shannons good doco https://youtu.be/cJC759IAQTo I think the VIP came with the VE model after they skipped the D model for some reason.
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These were the first of the non slant sixes. 215 entry level also. Even the 215 was more powerful than a six cylinder Holden unless an XU1 rare model.
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Also the early 273 starting in 1965 was before the V8 Falcons and Holden's. Later 340 the rarest.
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NSW police I think as well as SA.
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@MickH60 and even the De Soto's and Fargo trucks sold in Australia up to the mid fifties.
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Last Valiants here in 1981. Then Mitsubishi fully took over the plant.
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A great report but you might want to edit the date to 1970.
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Although the owner of this one has a MOPAR sticker on the dash. MOPAR a term used by those who actually own the cars.
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Taken over by Mitsubishi. I thought the last Valiants were in 1982. I now see that Valiant production ended in August 1981 with production of the last CM model reaching just 16,005 units out of 565,338 units of all models.
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Not as well known overseas as the Grand Prix corporation would have you believe.
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Lots of Chargers raced at Bathurst. Do you mean not an obvious factory team?
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Chargers at Bathurst 1971 was the first year : https://youtu.be/ebJjba05mUg
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The Pacer started with the VF slant six model in 1969 https://youtu.be/dv-1x1sPiTk The VG model next was the first of the Hemi label non slant 6. Usually a 245 but the super rare four barrel carb big tank version may have been taken out to something like 258. With the VF came the first two door pillarless coupe versions using US Dodge Dart panels. Heaps of these butchered into lame back yarder convertibles in later years.
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