Comments by "Golag Is watching you" (@golagiswatchingyou2966) on "Into Europe"
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the main problem I'm seeing with the issue of refugees and migration in general is that it's unsustainable, regardless on who takes care of them or who houses them, the reality is that people will keep coming due to climate change, due to wars (sometimes caused by the USA, France, UK or internal conflicts) and Europe being closest to these danger zones (Africa, the Middle east, Central Asia) it will remain a major issue that neither side can realy solve.
No migration side is wrong not for not wanting migrants but for not realising just how difficult it is to house and maintain such amount of people who either just want to survive or want to get ahead in life (we all do, that's what humans do), however the open migration side is also wrong because of the problems and costs it brings with it to western nations as well as spark the flames of resentment and nationalism which is not good for a European level solution which is what's actually needed.
I would then propose a different solution, one that is unpopular and will set a new geopolitical reality that some of it's big players aren't welcoming of, EU Military peacekeeping missions, what this would mean is the creation of a legitimate EU level military force, to be placed or engage near the entry points of migration flows and outside of EU countries like Morroco, Turkey, Tunnisia, Libya, so on where they would be tasked with maintaining order, help screen refugees and host refugee camps where they can then be transported to host nations or be able to integrate into the local societies, economies or develop skills needed later in life to rebuild their country of origin if possible.
the reason why this solution is unlikely to be taken is that the EU does not have the power or right to use such a military force, that it would be a more federated EU type of solution and that it would project an image of neo-collonialism to the rest of the world, as well as agitate certain geopolitical players by seeing a modern EU wide military force near their borders potentially but untill such a long term solution if implemented this will continue to be an issue and it's going to become much, much worse compared to 2015, as we move into the 2030s and 2040s, better to get to work with it now for when it's needed than the scramble later when shit inevitably hits the fan.
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Adam Somethings loves to blame the ''far right'' for all problems facing Europe but rarely does he look into his own sides actions that allowed for it, remember it was Angela Merkels actions that promoted and encouraged millions of migrants to try their luck coming to Europe, Orban simply responded like many European nations did by blocking his own borders while sending the refugees to other nations around him to be their problem, Adam simply blames Orbans response to Merkels actions and ignores the response from the rest of Europe, Hungary is a tiny country, Greece, Spain, Turkey are all far more guilty of allowing and promoting refugees from going further into Europe and Merkel is the main cause of it.
blaming Orban is not a solution, the real, mature solution would have been for the EU and it's main leaders like Merkel and Macron not to be fucking idiots and actually using their militaries and influence as well as ask for money from the EU and other nations to host refugees outside of EU or close to hot spot centers, which they actually did do after months of problems, terrorist attacks and sexual attacks, if I could see this coming around the age of 19 years old, how come Merkel and friends were this stupid?
things to think about.
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@Janoip I think she is still one of the worst leaders of Germany, no real long term vision for people to believe in, basicaly abandoned the youth of Germany and enforcing policies that will have long term ripple effects that will tear apart the german society and position in the world.
The next leaders of Germany will be mostly busy trying to fix the mess she left behind, with new crisis in the near future, few will be able to do much of anything.
She in many ways mirrors Tony Blair in enforcing policies that will effect and ruine the country she was suppose to govern, Germany did not even meet their co2 reduction quota's, phased out nuclear energy, I expect a lot of political instability and dread in the german society as they deal with how things were left.
Her only saving grace is that she could have been much worse.
Now it's easy to just look down on her mistakes and what she could have done better but how about this point that few people bring up, why has she not attempted to push for basic liberal rights? Why has she empowered the authoritarians? Antagonized the nationalists, divided the country, done away with clean forms of energy in favor of mob rule and gas pipelines with another authoritarian state called Russia? Why do all this if she is a liberal and focused on western values? She barely has any, all Merkel realy seemed to care about is power and her actions made major problems worse.
I could go on but it's just sad to see this woman be seen as some model politician, while I would describe her more as cunning, cold and calculating, without vision or long term plans.
The AFD might have some bad policies here and there but I rather give them a shot compared to Merkel, it's sad to see what Germany has become, esspecialy remembering the optimism of the early 2000s, making way for the sad state of Europe today.
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@abdiabdi3225 you do realise nothing is stopping those countries from, idk changing their borders or moving around? The main issue has nothing to do with collonialism at all but basic economics like property rights, law and order and outside investments, african nations that fell to communism became poor, while nations that embraced some form of capitalism thrived, before they were under western administration, laws with some level of investments, slavery was outlawed which came back when the western powers left, along with many people fleeing towards the west along with them.
Truth is people don't want to hold african nations to the same standards as the rest of the world and aid to africa, corporations and governments love to exploit their situation, like all things they have to solve their issues themselves, nobody is going to solve it for them.
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@lynn4062 yes, I do know, you don't, that's the problem.
What happened was that European powers left due to the USA withholding funds from the Marshall plan if they did not abandon their colonies, many of these colonies fell into dictatorships, local warlords or turned to communism, the borders drawn by the Europeans and then local leaders taking them over left a very unstable situation, many of the investments into the colonial economy vanished and were not maintained by the local leaders.
You have to understand how much these places benefited by western rule for a long time compared to the state they were in before, you also have to take into account if the colonial economy was settler based or exploitative based, the Congo is a good example of the later while south africa is a good example of the former.
Western powers did very little to fuck up the situation and in fact allowed massive population growth due to improved farming and connection with the rest of the world, Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa before communist Mugabe came into power, the only two things the western powers did that was very bad was 1. Leave and 2. Kept the borders as they were instead of dividing the lands to local leaders based on ethnic, language and vital resources lines.
Though regardless the situation was bound to decline and stagnate due to the vastness of Africa itself, the massive populations there and the lack of modern nation states and institutions there, why this myth then of the west becoming rich due to colonialism? Because it's easy and takes responsability away from the natives and blames the west, even though the west was already rich before the scramble for africa, did not make up a big part of their economies and after decolonisation the western powers thrived economically while the former colonies stagnated.
Whatifalthist has some video's on the subject if your interested.
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@henkpost3379 Dat is Kraut die ken ik wel ja, hij is een beetje ....mmmmm hoe kan ik dit goed zeggen, hij is een beetje controversiële, lang verhaal waar ik liever niet in ga maar in het kort was hij erg links qua politiek, maakte vaak video's over de "far right" en "alt right" en vervolgens maakte hij een aantal vergissingen maar weigerde die toe te geven en vervolgens ging ie andere mensen in zijn eigen vrienden groep de schuld geven van zijn fouten, toen had hij zijn kanaal verwijderd en ging hij weg voor iets van 2 jaar, nu maakt hij video's over geschiedenis, vooral over Turkije, niet heel slecht maar nog steeds erg linkse oogpunt in mijn mening.
Ik hou zelf niet van socialisme en haat communism maar snap ook wel dat er vele versies van zijn, in Zweden bijvoorbeeld hebben ze een erg sterke vrije markt maar vele sociale programma's, zelf zou ik meer dat soort programma's en geld gebruiken voor steun aan families en het leger (Zweden heeft vrijwel geen leger) maar dat soort socialism is nog soort van acceptabel.
Helaas zoals je zelf zegt leven we in het tijdperk van progressive socialism, wat eerlijk gezegd het meeste op fascism lijkt, met knokploegen om mensen te intimideren, zaken in de fik zetten, normalizeren van "white privilage" en mensen verdelen over ras, culture, geslacht, derde golf feminisme en cencuurschap via big tech corporaties, het is echt verschrikkelijk allemaal.
Ik was zelf in mijn tienerjaren links maar ben door dit soort zaken meer en meer naar extreem rechts gegaan en meer liberterisch geworden over dingen zoals vrijheid van meningsuiting, wapen wetten, identiteit, markten en versterken van familie waardes en militaire zaken, het enige waar ik met progressiven en linkse mensen in het algemeen eens mee ben is klimaat verandering, bescherming van dieren, natuur en Kern energie, maar helaas focussen vele nog op dingen zoals wind energie waar ik niet echt voorstander van ben.
Hou ook niet van schuld naratief van onze verleden, ja het was niet altijd goed maar was ook niet altijd slecht, beste is om het achter ons te laten en kijken naar de toekomst, we kunnen vooreeuwig schuldig voelen en onze zondes omkopen door geld te geven maar dat lost niks op en worden beiden zwak en zielig van, het moet op een gegeven moment ophouden, hoe sneller hoe beter.
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@henkpost3379 over de video, ja democraten verdiende te verliezen maar ze zijn niet veel beter geworden in 2020, sterker nog ze lijken nog meer in de autoritaire vorm gekomen te zijn, zonder covid-19 en hulp van de media en big tech zouden ze nooit gewonnen hebben denk ik, verwacht niet dat ze zullen winnen in de midterm of in 2024, Joe Biden is ook gewoon niet echt president waardig, zeg van Trump wat je wilt maar hij heeft een aura van superioriteit, eigen mening, doorzettingsvermogen en visie van Amerika die positief is, Biden komt over als een npc en tijdelijke figuur om uiteindelijk Kamala Harris als eerste zwarte vrouw op de troon te krijgen, alsof dat op zo manier zo geweldig is, best wel zielig vind ik en niet echt iets waar vrouwen trots op zouden moeten zijn als dat gebeurt.
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@henkpost3379 Trump deed het eigenlijk heel goed, geen nieuwe oorlogen, vrijheid van meningsuiting beschermen, was tegenstander van de media voor 4 jaar, zijn staat schuld is pas erg omhoog gegaan door covid lockdowns, belasting verlaging van elke klassen rjjk of arm, deregulatie, veel meer mensen aan het werk gekregen en over Biden, Biden heeft niks veranderd van Trumps buitenlandse beleid richting China, betere relaties met Europa is ook niet echt verbeterd.
Eerlijk gezegd de enige reden waarom Trump verloren had was door covid-19, 4 jaar lang media heksen jacht en verdere radicalisering van de linkse mensen daar, die politici daar waren pas schandelijk, oproepen tot geweld en intimidatie, hele zaken en huizen in de fik gegooid hele jaar door, de bestorming van congres was niks, sterker nog burgers die geen wapens hadden waren om het leven gebracht, mensen zitten nu voor lange tijd in de cel en de linkse hooligans en media gebruiken het als justificatie voor nog meer mensen onderdrukking, als je denkt dat Trump erg was ben ik bang dat in de VS je nog veel erger gaat krijgen als dit de norm is van linkse partijen zijn, de rechtse partijen lopen eigenlijk achter op radicalisering.
Heb zelf ook weinig vertrouwen in de verkiezingen juist door de covid-19 verandering van stem gelding plus de media en big tech die zich inmengde met de verkiezingen, Rusland deed niks in 2016 maar deze andere groepen, verbittered door hun verlies in 2016 hebben alles op alles gezet om Trump te ondermijnen, zelfs zijn Twitter stop gezet, van de president! Dat is pas schandelijk en reden voor anti trust rechtszaken.
Ik vind Biden echt een idiot, die weinig zal waar maken en hoogst waarschijnlijk een 1 term president zal worden, Trump kan nog terug komen in 2024 of iemand aanwijzen als zijn vervanging met een andere soort visie.
De VS is sowieso een zooitje, Trump is eerder een gevolg daarvan dan de oorzaak en dat zal zeker nog terug komen als de innerlijke corruptie en incompetentie binnen de regering niet opgelost zal worden.
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@lynn4062 this is simply not true, the Europeans could barely survive in Africa due to the enviroment and diseases there, the continent is vast beyond any other continent, it has barely any shore or deep water shoreline that go into it, the Europeans were only able to supply themselves somewhat due to railroads which were the main investment to try and link african colonies together, there was no mass migration from Europe to africa, only minor settlers went to south africa, most went to north america or australia.
as for the genocide and slavery subject, this simply did not happen at all, slaves were bought by europeans from other local african warlords, the slave trade was not as massive as the ottoman slave trade in the same region and was ended on a global scale by the british, something barely even attempted in most of human history. In fact many other african tribes like the Bantu commited genocide against the Koisam people's, the populations in africa exploded during colonialism and the entire concept of a nation like south africa only exists due to western style education and institutions that set it up.
that being said there was widespread racism and often times resistances were brutally shut down but nothing like we saw in ww2.
I think you like many other people in the west just can't accept that the african populations are as aggresive and unstable like Europe was centuries before, remember the west is the exception to most of human history and it's a miracle it even happened, most of the world is very brutal, unforgiving and harsh and their histories reflect this, this does not excuse any abuse or exploitation the Europeans did inflict on the local people but if you judge them on their bad actions you have to contemplate their positive actions as well which far outweigh their rule of africa, in fact all leaders during that time would have said ''we have to rule these lands or else another european nation might do it and that would make us look weak'' nobody was focused on exploitation or profits in this part of their empires, it was all about prestige and having a huge empire, at best the french, british and germans used colonial troops to add more manpower to their military but that's basically it and their use were very limited and often costed more than they were worth, this is why Germany is such a rich and powerfull nation both at that time and today, it has massive industry and non of these colonies that took resources, manpower and logistics for barely anything worth having.
I don't blame you for not knowing, our educational systems don't paint a fair or deep understanding of history or the people there, the media we consume only ever speak of exploitation or racism instead of things like the abolision of slavery or the population explosion, they also don't focus on african history, they don't know anything about the rich and powerfull west and east african kingdoms, nubians, the Bantu people or how the communist Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe or how Nelson Mandela was a terrorist or how south africa is falling apart due to racism from the majority african populations against the white minority populations.
it's so much more complex than you think it is, it's not good or bad, it just is what it is.
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@lynn4062 what's most sad about your reaction is that it gives no benefit to the african people themselves, who had to suffer through great hardships during decolonisation and the african wars that followed, nobody is saying collonialism was perfect or ideal but many of these places were slowly modernising, they were getting beter and like many other nations before could have become strong nations, linked to the global economy more than just resource extraction, south africa is prove of that, as well as Zimbabwe before Mugabe took power, today places like Nigeria are getting ahead due to investments from both the West and China and embrace of western capitalism which they could have gotten sooner.
It's like the nationalists vs the communists in China, the communists won and when Mao died it was one of the poorest nations on earth, they injected some market forces and capitalism into their system and now they are almost at superpower status, imagine if that happened 60 years earlier with the nationalists? The same could have been true for many former african colonies.
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@tomasvrabec1845 in the case of the USA, it is very much a bad thing since it had lead to certain dividing and polorizing ideologies being formed, which is tearing apart the fabric of american life, rule of law, culture and identity, it's not even so much about people being of a different color or background but the lack of intergration, assimulation and americanisation of people coming to the USA and this is by design by the government and policies enforced by the government, the USA has to realy force adoption of american values on people somehow and reduce immigration to a certain degree if it wants to remain stable.
as for Europe, Europe is much worse and the very idea of assimulation is a rather new and imported american value which does not realy match these cultures.
lets try and wind back time a little, Europe the continent that went into multiple world wars over nationalism and different ethnic groups fighting for their national right to rule, are now allowing million of people to come from all over the world, to settle and change the nature of those countries, who thinks this is going to have a good ending? if the EU can't even agree for the most part on policies made between Europeans, how bad are things going to be once migrant populations settle in for multiple generations? it's just silly to think this is going to work.
what's likely going to happen is a series of stagnating and humiliating decline of european nations as well as doubts in it's institutions and a disinterested USA is going to lead to major unstable governments, add to it financial crisis and humanitarian and refugee crisis that makes 2015 look like a joke and you will likely see the rise of extreme political parties, both left and right with radical solutions.
it's not pretty or great but it's very predictable to expect that to happen, the best outcome I see going forward is new technologies and rise in wealth in 3rd world countries, limits waves of migrants, and reverses some migrant waves and a more sane and revival of older nationalist and pan-european nationalist ideas will rise and hopefully restore some order and sense of self in a civilized manner, otherwise well we know how nasty history can be, now imagine that with robots and nukes just to add to the spice.
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@unnanointedonesufi that's silly, esspecially in this age, nationalism is different for each country around the world, some forms of nationalism is against tyrany from an oppresive government, others are expressed with a focus on individual rights and a strong sense of community and connection to the land, family, culture, religion and identity.
the only thing that would lead to war within Europe right now, is if Russia invades eastern Europe, at that point you would want nationalists willing to fight to defend the nation.
likewise the EU is not against nationalism, in fact it is nationalistic to a degree but it's rules, policies and mechanism for rule does not represent the majority of the people and so you have a democratic, nationalistic and populistic backlash, ironically the fact that those people are often oppressed, makes nationalism stronger and more radical.
if the EU wants to curb the potential of nationalism leading to war of any kind be it civil or foreign, then it needs to act and be seen as legitimate in fixing and having solid long term policies that people can believe in and not sow doubt, distrust and resentment, because those things actually lead to nationalism and so called ''far right'' politics.
how did fascism and national socialism and communism rise to power? because a lack of unity with the people, a loss of legitimacy and a rising sense of dispear and resentment which then empowers authoritarian leaders with the promise of ''returning to the good old days and making it better than ever''
even if the EU fell apart their main enemies would likely not be eachother but more so minority groups and factions they consider their enemies, mostly the elites, corporations and those deemed to be hostile forces for way of life and/or existence.
as someone who knows a lot of nationalists, non of them want to wage war between other europeans but almost all of them hate the current EU leadership, the heads of state, corporations, the media and outsiders of their native countries.
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