Comments by "Golag Is watching you" (@golagiswatchingyou2966) on "How the European Union's migration policy is broken" video.
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the main problem I'm seeing with the issue of refugees and migration in general is that it's unsustainable, regardless on who takes care of them or who houses them, the reality is that people will keep coming due to climate change, due to wars (sometimes caused by the USA, France, UK or internal conflicts) and Europe being closest to these danger zones (Africa, the Middle east, Central Asia) it will remain a major issue that neither side can realy solve.
No migration side is wrong not for not wanting migrants but for not realising just how difficult it is to house and maintain such amount of people who either just want to survive or want to get ahead in life (we all do, that's what humans do), however the open migration side is also wrong because of the problems and costs it brings with it to western nations as well as spark the flames of resentment and nationalism which is not good for a European level solution which is what's actually needed.
I would then propose a different solution, one that is unpopular and will set a new geopolitical reality that some of it's big players aren't welcoming of, EU Military peacekeeping missions, what this would mean is the creation of a legitimate EU level military force, to be placed or engage near the entry points of migration flows and outside of EU countries like Morroco, Turkey, Tunnisia, Libya, so on where they would be tasked with maintaining order, help screen refugees and host refugee camps where they can then be transported to host nations or be able to integrate into the local societies, economies or develop skills needed later in life to rebuild their country of origin if possible.
the reason why this solution is unlikely to be taken is that the EU does not have the power or right to use such a military force, that it would be a more federated EU type of solution and that it would project an image of neo-collonialism to the rest of the world, as well as agitate certain geopolitical players by seeing a modern EU wide military force near their borders potentially but untill such a long term solution if implemented this will continue to be an issue and it's going to become much, much worse compared to 2015, as we move into the 2030s and 2040s, better to get to work with it now for when it's needed than the scramble later when shit inevitably hits the fan.
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Adam Somethings loves to blame the ''far right'' for all problems facing Europe but rarely does he look into his own sides actions that allowed for it, remember it was Angela Merkels actions that promoted and encouraged millions of migrants to try their luck coming to Europe, Orban simply responded like many European nations did by blocking his own borders while sending the refugees to other nations around him to be their problem, Adam simply blames Orbans response to Merkels actions and ignores the response from the rest of Europe, Hungary is a tiny country, Greece, Spain, Turkey are all far more guilty of allowing and promoting refugees from going further into Europe and Merkel is the main cause of it.
blaming Orban is not a solution, the real, mature solution would have been for the EU and it's main leaders like Merkel and Macron not to be fucking idiots and actually using their militaries and influence as well as ask for money from the EU and other nations to host refugees outside of EU or close to hot spot centers, which they actually did do after months of problems, terrorist attacks and sexual attacks, if I could see this coming around the age of 19 years old, how come Merkel and friends were this stupid?
things to think about.
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@abdiabdi3225 you do realise nothing is stopping those countries from, idk changing their borders or moving around? The main issue has nothing to do with collonialism at all but basic economics like property rights, law and order and outside investments, african nations that fell to communism became poor, while nations that embraced some form of capitalism thrived, before they were under western administration, laws with some level of investments, slavery was outlawed which came back when the western powers left, along with many people fleeing towards the west along with them.
Truth is people don't want to hold african nations to the same standards as the rest of the world and aid to africa, corporations and governments love to exploit their situation, like all things they have to solve their issues themselves, nobody is going to solve it for them.
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@lynn4062 yes, I do know, you don't, that's the problem.
What happened was that European powers left due to the USA withholding funds from the Marshall plan if they did not abandon their colonies, many of these colonies fell into dictatorships, local warlords or turned to communism, the borders drawn by the Europeans and then local leaders taking them over left a very unstable situation, many of the investments into the colonial economy vanished and were not maintained by the local leaders.
You have to understand how much these places benefited by western rule for a long time compared to the state they were in before, you also have to take into account if the colonial economy was settler based or exploitative based, the Congo is a good example of the later while south africa is a good example of the former.
Western powers did very little to fuck up the situation and in fact allowed massive population growth due to improved farming and connection with the rest of the world, Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa before communist Mugabe came into power, the only two things the western powers did that was very bad was 1. Leave and 2. Kept the borders as they were instead of dividing the lands to local leaders based on ethnic, language and vital resources lines.
Though regardless the situation was bound to decline and stagnate due to the vastness of Africa itself, the massive populations there and the lack of modern nation states and institutions there, why this myth then of the west becoming rich due to colonialism? Because it's easy and takes responsability away from the natives and blames the west, even though the west was already rich before the scramble for africa, did not make up a big part of their economies and after decolonisation the western powers thrived economically while the former colonies stagnated.
Whatifalthist has some video's on the subject if your interested.
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@lynn4062 this is simply not true, the Europeans could barely survive in Africa due to the enviroment and diseases there, the continent is vast beyond any other continent, it has barely any shore or deep water shoreline that go into it, the Europeans were only able to supply themselves somewhat due to railroads which were the main investment to try and link african colonies together, there was no mass migration from Europe to africa, only minor settlers went to south africa, most went to north america or australia.
as for the genocide and slavery subject, this simply did not happen at all, slaves were bought by europeans from other local african warlords, the slave trade was not as massive as the ottoman slave trade in the same region and was ended on a global scale by the british, something barely even attempted in most of human history. In fact many other african tribes like the Bantu commited genocide against the Koisam people's, the populations in africa exploded during colonialism and the entire concept of a nation like south africa only exists due to western style education and institutions that set it up.
that being said there was widespread racism and often times resistances were brutally shut down but nothing like we saw in ww2.
I think you like many other people in the west just can't accept that the african populations are as aggresive and unstable like Europe was centuries before, remember the west is the exception to most of human history and it's a miracle it even happened, most of the world is very brutal, unforgiving and harsh and their histories reflect this, this does not excuse any abuse or exploitation the Europeans did inflict on the local people but if you judge them on their bad actions you have to contemplate their positive actions as well which far outweigh their rule of africa, in fact all leaders during that time would have said ''we have to rule these lands or else another european nation might do it and that would make us look weak'' nobody was focused on exploitation or profits in this part of their empires, it was all about prestige and having a huge empire, at best the french, british and germans used colonial troops to add more manpower to their military but that's basically it and their use were very limited and often costed more than they were worth, this is why Germany is such a rich and powerfull nation both at that time and today, it has massive industry and non of these colonies that took resources, manpower and logistics for barely anything worth having.
I don't blame you for not knowing, our educational systems don't paint a fair or deep understanding of history or the people there, the media we consume only ever speak of exploitation or racism instead of things like the abolision of slavery or the population explosion, they also don't focus on african history, they don't know anything about the rich and powerfull west and east african kingdoms, nubians, the Bantu people or how the communist Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe or how Nelson Mandela was a terrorist or how south africa is falling apart due to racism from the majority african populations against the white minority populations.
it's so much more complex than you think it is, it's not good or bad, it just is what it is.
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@lynn4062 what's most sad about your reaction is that it gives no benefit to the african people themselves, who had to suffer through great hardships during decolonisation and the african wars that followed, nobody is saying collonialism was perfect or ideal but many of these places were slowly modernising, they were getting beter and like many other nations before could have become strong nations, linked to the global economy more than just resource extraction, south africa is prove of that, as well as Zimbabwe before Mugabe took power, today places like Nigeria are getting ahead due to investments from both the West and China and embrace of western capitalism which they could have gotten sooner.
It's like the nationalists vs the communists in China, the communists won and when Mao died it was one of the poorest nations on earth, they injected some market forces and capitalism into their system and now they are almost at superpower status, imagine if that happened 60 years earlier with the nationalists? The same could have been true for many former african colonies.
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