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Comments by "Golag Is watching you" (@golagiswatchingyou2966) on "Australia's ageing population and high immigration are having a huge impact on the economy | 7.30" video.
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k bw if you have an aging population and declining birthrates the last thing you would consider a solution is immigration, it's not even a solution it's just giving up and allowing others to reap the rewards that were done by said generations.
Most of western Europe has not benefited from immigration, the USA has been in decline for many years now partly because of immigration, while nations like Israel, China, South Korea, Turkey, Poland and Ireland have all prospered and developed more economically and technologically, why? Because what makes an economy good is not immigration but the conditions of both capitalism and state regulations of said economy, immigration can be a benefit but only if the economic policies reflect the interests of the nation.
Immigrants want to move to nations with good economic prospects because it is good for them not nessisary for the society to take them.
Having a large influx of low skilled labor like in the USA is not a major benefit, the influx however of highly skilled labor is a benefit but this is not the majority of immigration nor is it a benefit, there is also the limitations of a nation to even have immigration, a nation like Japan is already very densly populated, immigration to their country would not add to their economy it would simply delay an aging population by presenting bigger problems for the future without solving the general issue, a nation like the USA has a lot of space and wealth to deal with these burdening economic migrants.
The ideal country or immigration policy is more like something like China or India where immigration is mostly internally, the growth rates are beyond replacement level and immigration is mostly if not only of high skilled labor that actually benefits the nation.
The age of endless population growth via immigration = prosperity is a 20th century view point that no longer works in the modern era, the policy of low immigration, highly skilled immigration, ease to assimulate and stable growth rates and automation are the keys to the future, aging population is not an excuses because this process happens in all industrial economies and those same migrants are going to age as well and destroying native cultures is not going to add to the society, just look at Brazil, high corruption, middle income trap, cartels, that's not the economy of the future.
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k bw I don't think you have a proper grasp on how economics works and have a very outdated leftwing view of how people assimulate to a culture and how immigration harms and benefits society.
job losses due to not having students make very little sense since students have to first set those companies up and many of them will fail, what you most likely mean is capital and intelectual value which is generated by talented workers and students who set up new companies.
the free movement of goods and people is not how immigration works, not today and not even in the past, it's also very open to interpretation because do you have no border security? do you let everyone in? do you have any amount of standards? is the amount of people let in calculated within the carrying capacity of the nation? what if a group of people come from third world nations that clash with the native people or other immigrant populations? or criminal organisations? these are all factors that clash with the very idea of free movement of people.
what made the USA so strong and a powerfull economy is mostly due to geography, conquest of land, capitalism and stable property rights, also immigration was very controled and motivated by basically giving people land to farm, a demand and a need to fill that demand with controled immigration not open borders.
also there was no wellfare state back in the day so people who came had to make it on their own labor a condition no modern economy has today and because they do have it, it means many immigrants are economic migrants and not labor force or skilled labor, you can have skilled labor and immigration of skilled labor is good but that's not the majority of immigration in any western nation and the way you get those talented people is through incentives to draws those people, as in lower taxes, easy of starting new companies.
people who are native or assimulated to this type of culture and economic structure is what made the country prosper in the first place, saying that it's build by or reliant on immigration to function is a failure of that society to maintain it which is what has happened in most of the western world, arguing that immigration must go up because aging is a bad argument because it does not solve the issue of that aging in the first place, a better solution would be to try and raise birthrates or have a more export focused market which is also what is going on in China along with automation.
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k bw in the case of the USA btw you have a new country that is mostly empty of people, esspecialy at the start of it's creation, now I understand australia has room as well but most of it is deserts and rocks, great mining companies, not so great to settle besides the coastal area's.
immigration today is not much of a benefit, besides highly skilled labor which is the minority of most immigrants and you will see that long term nations that prosper will be those with high birthrates, low immigration of skilled labor and strong property rights, while nations that fail and fall into corruption and decline will be those with high immigration of low skilled labor, bad property rights, high taxes and low birthrates which is part of most industrial nations right now.
the places with the fastest growing economies are in africa with low immigration besides internal migration, low amount immigration of skilled labor, proper property rights and high birthrates.
unless you discover a new continent with a good climate and plenty of shoreline that has basically no people at all your views are outdated.
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k bw you have plenty of studies claiming all sorts of nonsense, vaccines cause autism, study shows, why mass migration is a good thing (it's not) study shows, why LGBT policies are critical for a growing economy (it's not) study shows, a study in of it self does not mean it is truth, what is true is what observeable reality reflects both in the present, the past and the future and certainly not by ''studies'' made by corporations, new networks or government agencies.
to come to a true understanding of proper economics is to study the basics and history of what drives economic growth and understand that it is not an exact science.
also you don't seem to read what i wrote, skiled immigration is usefull and good for an economy, im not saying it's not, im saying most immigration is not of skilled labor and most of it is actually low skilled labor which raises social costs, lowers wages and can have a net negative effect on the economy.
I find your comment slightly funny because we actually agree on most issues except the idea that immigration is the key to a good economy or how it is nessisary for a growing economy, it's only ''nessisary'' when the economy is unstable and can't sustain itself, which is what causes decline in economic growth, you aren't fixing the problem long term with immigration, you are at best delaying it or at worst making the situation worse long term.
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k bw like I said, people will use ''studies'' to support their political or ideological agenda without having any or significant scientific methodology.
in fact there are fields of science where even experts make wrong calculations or conclusions or what they find or are incomplete, mostly this is in fields of non-exact science, things like math, chemistry, biology (for the most part) phisics are quite clear and exact with easy to prove and disprove methodologies.
fields such as social sciences, psychology, economics, law, politics, linqistics are all more fluid and non exact, the treatment of people based on their sexual preference is a non exact field of science but it's easy to understand how Paraphilia and non-hetero sexual behavior would lead to ostracization because from a biological perspective it is maladaptive to the survival of the group, that does not justify chemical castration which is a subset of law used in the past but we can understand why it was enforced and why nothing will ever change such ostracization, except perhaps the total collapse and extiction of humanity because it goes against human nature to pretend it is not maladaptive.
this whole argument is about the negative effects on a modern economy due to immigration of low skilled workers and the negative effects of immigration on society all together, of which there are many studies that show a breakdown in social cohesion, trust and overal cultural unity in a society with a high concentration of immigrant populations, over time people are likely to assimulate but even then there can still be problems, when ISIS was formed many muslims living in western nations went to the middle-east to fight, many of whom where 2th or 3th generations with good educations for the most part, the excuse that they weren't treated fairly is a simple one to make, the truth is that a non-compatable culture and non native people clash and feel excluded and isolated due to not fitting in and most likely never will unless their children and children's children become part of and feel connected to the native population, in the USA this is much easier then in old world cultures and people's due to history, language barriers, cultural and religeus identity clashes, so on and so forth.
today millions of people are persicuted for wrong think, thinking for themselves, making legitimate studies with ''offending'' conclusions and observations, censorship of free speech, limits on movement and individual freedoms, coming to a concensus that is both accurate, non-offensive or incompatable with globalistic and ideological agenda's is literally impossible and a major reason for western decline and rise of China, they have concensus, a brutal and authoritarian one but one that understands how the world works and human nature, the west needs to catch up and not be stuck in the 20th century or neo-marxist ideology.
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k bw there seems to be no reasoning with you, you don't seem to understand what im saying and taking everything to the extreme and misrepresenting what im saying it seems, pitty, you should try and be less ideologically driven and more opened minded to new view points, even ones you disagree with.
again im not talking about skilled immigration so why do you keep coming back on this? it seems like you are focused on trying to maintain your own viewpoints and aren't interested in questioning your own views, I could go into details of problems in the (censored) community but sadly youtube would censor it and I won't waste my time trying to explain it, in short it's maladaptive lifestyle and mental condition which leads to bad and self harming behavior both from society but esspecially themselves.
the use of math in non-exact sciences does not make it accurate, in fact their conclusions are often inaccurate and pose a real danger to society while discredting real science, though social media and mainsteam media plays a big rol, since they often isolate and indoctrinate people.
I've met plenty of liberals and many of them seemed less intelectual then many christians or any religeus group.
regardless, I hope you have a nice day.
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k bw there seems to be no reasoning with you, you don't seem to understand what im saying and taking everything to the extreme and misrepresenting what im saying it seems, pitty, you should try and be less ideologically driven and more opened minded to new view points, even ones you disagree with.
again im not talking about skilled immigration so why do you keep coming back on this? it seems like you are focused on trying to maintain your own viewpoints and aren't interested in questioning your own views, I could go into details of problems in the (censored) community but sadly youtube would censor it and I won't waste my time trying to explain it, in short it's maladaptive lifestyle and mental condition which leads to bad and self harming behavior both from society but esspecially themselves.
the use of math in non-exact sciences does not make it accurate, in fact their conclusions are often inaccurate and pose a real danger to society while discredting real science, though social media and mainsteam media plays a big rol, since they often isolate and indoctrinate people.
I've met plenty of liberals and many of them seemed less intelectual then many christians or any religeus group.
regardless, I hope you have a nice day.
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k bw there are different schools of economics and economics is the study of what people value, a loaf of bread or a computer, the study of currency and economic models on how to distribute wealth or create wealth, all of these things are not exact sciences, the use of mathematics can be accurate because that is an exact science but the theory upon which it is modeled on can be incorrect, in the USSR there were plenty of mathematics and models involved but their theory of how planned economies worked led to shortages and famines due to government policies.
Also technology changes and with it changes economic outcomes, crypto currencies are an example where the economy is changing and value is changing despite it not being a part of official economic theory of value another potential problem is automation which would create a need for an economic policy change, in short economics is not an exact science, there are economists who use mathematics to make models to predict economic outcomes and many are correct but others are incorrect and clash with other economists despite using math an exact science to create models, therefor economics is not an exact science, math is which is why it might appear as an exact science.
Social sciences these days is more inaccurate then accurate then economics due to it not having an exact science within it or with models, mathematical observations using statistics perhaps but no way of quantifying an exact amount because people are individuals, groups, ideologies and have politics to deal with.
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