Comments by "" (@josephcoon5809) on "Inside the Brain of a Psychopath" video.
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@commandpro4492 EXACLY!!
You’re headed in the right direction, but you’ve got a long train of thought to examine ahead of you. When you have time, think about what EVERY significant word means.
Let’s start with “prison.” Prison is the culmination of many steps leading up to it. It is a constant drain on society’s resources for what purpose, exactly? Well, there’s two: the overt one that the general population THINKS it serves; and the subtle on it actually serves.
A prison is for people who break the law, but what is a law? A law is the arbiter in a disagreement between two visions of society. In society today, it FORCES those who disagree with it to go against their nature which is a strain on themselves till they break the law, then it becomes a strain on society as it wastes resources to contain them. Laws are only necessary when people who live together in a particular area disagree.
Now imagine if you live with the people you ALREADY agree with. Then, laws are no longer an imposition upon anybody in THAT locality. It only serves as “house rules” for anybody who wishes to enter that locality. Break the law, you get kicked out. This would have the effect of forcing people to live with the people they already agree with instead of wasting time an effort resisting the social environment they are in.
Imagine, INSTEAD of incarceration, localities used expulsion. INSTEAD of stripping an individual of nearly all their rights, you strip them only if the right to live in a small area. INSTEAD of breaking a family apart, families have the option of relocating with the “villain” to an area where they are NOT a villain. INSTEAD of wasting resources continually incarcerating more and more individuals, you send them to a location that would welcome them and allow them to be a contributing member of the new society rather than a drain on the old one. Imagine that INSTEAD of tyranny, we chose liberty…
The state of society was caused by allowing people with different ideas about life to live right next to each other. That started during the industrial revolution when people started leaving their cultures behind to join the melting pots of large cities. It has been accelerated today with the push for forced inclusion. All that this ideological mixing does is force people to relinquish their responsibility to build society from the ground-up to a faceless government system that builds it from the top-down.
Society would be so much better off if it only continued the pattern established in the brain: like-minded individuals living as a single body; a single corporation. That corporation then becomes an individual among other individual corporations that can create even larger corporations, and so on. Just like how thousands of first level neurons are represented by a single second order neuron, and thousands of second order neurons are represented by a third order neuron; humans can follow the same pattern by building small ideologically coherent communities represented by a few of their members. Those members are DIRECTLY related to those they represent because any decisions they make in the second order community has a direct impact on themselves while they are held directly accountable by the people they live with most of their life. Today, we have a million+ to one ratio of individuals to representatives that allow the “representative” to make decisions that do not affect themselves but drastically affects those that they “represent.”
It is IMPOSSIBLE to represent thousands of conflicting ideas so tyranny is the end result for everyone whose ideas are NOT represented.
The members of a village work, play, eat, bleed, cry, live, and die together. We have lost our villages. It takes a village to raise a child. We have lost our villages, and now we are losing our children…
So, everybody in these comments section complaining about various things in society have only themselves to blame. If they do not take responsibility for building society themselves, then corporations will do it through the government The People pay very little attention to.
Everybody has a different idea about what is “normal”, and laws are their way of imposing their “normal” on everybody else. It is childish and tyrannical.
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0:15 A common misconception about “empathy” is that it is actually a neutral value character trait. It merely means understanding how other may feel. The greatest torturers know how people experience pain which is how they know the best ways to inflict it.
The negative aspect of empathy aside, it’s still only a motivational tool. The larger issue with empathy is that it is commonly paired with foolishness.
A foolish and empathic person gives people fish.
A wise empathic person teaches people how to fish.
The former is a narcissist that requires others to need them so their existence is justified.
The latter understands that there will be a time when they are unable to provide fish to others, so they seek to make themselves obsolete by passing on their wisdom.
Formal education falls under the former from society’s perspective which is how those in power were able to fool multiple generations into standardizing and subsidizing public school and university systems.
2:00 That’s why you think language changes?
Have you never read “1984”?
7:00 And there’s the fundamental error with psychiatry: it treats symptoms.
Happiness is determined by the social conditioning of the surrounding community. Individuals are programmed with ideas of “good” and “bad” such that when an individual is in a “bad” circumstance, they are unhappy.
For instance, a child who has never rated candy will NEVER scream about not getting candy in the grocery store. A child who has had tasted candy will. They will “suffer” when they do not receive the dopamine hit from the sweet tastebuds just as an adolescent will “suffer” not being “cool” or an adult will “suffer” over finances.
“Suffering” is the consequence of existing in a state different than the state considered “good.” Those states are processed in the cerebrum which acts as triggers for the emotional responses that lead to suffering.
Psychiatry deals with the response; not the trigger.
Unless you practice more CBT-based psychiatry, but those treatments don’t have the same immediate effects as pharmaceuticals. Psychiatrists also lack the ability to explain the difference between pharmaceutical treatments (symptoms) and CBT-based treatments (underlying causes) or their relative importance. CBT is the actual cure. Drugs are just a bandaid.
8:00 You also want all the instruments organized instead of haphazardly strewn across the stage. There’s even acoustical science behind stage design.
Ironically, the brain is a blueprint for the most efficient and moral COMMUNITY known to humans, while humans use that blueprint to build their own communities in the exact opposite manner.
When I studied neuroscience to fix myself, I became enthralled with its simplicity despite the numerous individual neurons and their thousands of connections.
Nature is fractal in that it will repeat successful patterns at ever increasing levels of magnitude. The pattern starting at first order neurons an continuation all the way up to the connection of both hemispheres through the corpus callosum and every subcritical region culminating into the prefrontal cortex SHOULD continue past the individual human as humans build society from the bottom-up instead of government building society from the top-down.
The problem when you would from the top-down is that you tacitly limit where the top is.
Building from the bottom-up has no pre-established limits to break.
8:45 That wouldn’t be awesome at all. Haven’t you see “Serenity”?
That’s why science needs religion. Smart people don’t tend to be wise as well. You’ll endeavor to discover what can be known without considering what that knowledge will lead to. Similarly, you’ll think a particular end is “good” based on an embarrassingly small scope of understanding.
This has lead to scientism which has replaced theism. In both cases, zealots will parrot the words of their leaders with no real understanding of their meaning. There are too many scientifically illiterate people making decisions based on what “experts” tell them rather than actually understanding what they were told. This fine as long as those decisions impact ONLY themselves, but when you combine scientism with politics, you end up with people voting to execute Socrates.
9:00 Good luck with your channel. I see the same problem here as I do on other channels: sycophants in the comment section “ooohing” and “aaaahing” in fake understanding while missing all the relevant ideas that the presenter does.
Cheers 🍻
12:30 I decided to go a little further…
“…something wrong with themselves.”
Christ. The HUBRIS… not to mention the lack of self-awareness. It’s pretty narcissistic to declare that somebody else has something “wrong” with themselves.
This is why democracy is evil and Socrates proved it over 2,000 years ago. It wasn’t “normal” to advocate for rational discourse over emotional rhetoric…
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@graceg3250 Empathy is dangerous without wisdom.
People use “empathy” as an excuse to do nothing about the problems they complain about. Voting for complete strangers to take other strangers’ wealth to “help” other strangers is the epitome of laziness, narcissism, and foolishness.
I see a lot of people not understanding what empathy actually is in a mad rush to prove how “good” they are despite the useless actions they take to embody that “empathy.” Society is full of people pointing their fingers at each other while believing that they hold the moral high ground.
What children also lack is the ability to self-reflect. Anybody who spends more time blaming others is just as developed as children in their obvious lack of time spent looking inwards.
As a child, I spent my time bullied at seven different elementary schools; dealing with it with self-deprecating humor; punished by teachers for disrupting class as I dealt with the bullies the only way I knew how; am punished at home after teachers sent letters to my parents about my disruptive nature.
As I grew older, I started to laugh at how all the “adults” in my life failed to see any correlation between going to seven different elementary schools and my disruptive behavior. I laughed, and I learned to deeply appreciate it because STRUGGLE builds strength.
“Spare the rod, spoil the child” is a very important lesson for adults. The rod isn’t JUST the one held by parents. It includes the rod held by everyone else in society. Sparing children from the rod of bullies makes them emotionally weak. You don’t empower children by justifying their victim mentality. You empower them by explaining the situation. Sure. Stop the bullying when you see it, but take the opportunity to enlighten the children so they aren’t victims when you are NOT around.
Empathy without wisdom leads to narcissism. When people seek to remove obstacles for others, they fail to see the danger they put those people in. By doing for others instead of teaching them to do for themselves, the “empath” creates a perpetual justification for their existence as the recipient becomes dependent upon the narcissist. A TRULY wise empath would understand that the only one who will always be available to help someone is that same person. The truly wise empath understands they cannot be around all the time, and there may come a point when they’ll never be around ever again. It is THOSE times that the truly wise empath works to rectify. They do this by making themselves obsolete; unnecessary; unneeded.
Public education does the exact opposite.
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@carlruppert7324 I NEVER said that verbal abuse was right.
See? THIS is what happens when children don’t learn to master their own emotions: they grow into adults with poor comprehension skills as they emotionally consider ideas, rather than rationally.
<gets crayon out>
If you do NOT teach children to be hurt by words, they will NOT be victims of verbal “abuse.”
There are three areas involved in “words have power”: the cerebrum in general; the Wernicke’s Area; and the limbic system. Those three areas have to be connected for “words have power” to be true. Connecting different areas of the brain is known as LEARNING or CONDITIONING.
Unfortunately, society is mindless, so they just repeat what they are told. Fortunately, the brain is very plastic so any dysfunctional ideas taught can be untaught.
In the future, try understanding the argument BEFORE claiming it is dumb. All you’ve managed to do was exhibit poor reading and comprehension skills.
“willfully hurting another person…”
Pain is a psychological manifestation of physical damage. It exists ONLY in the mind that manifests it. If you don’t train a mind to manifest emotional pain, then it will not manifest that emotional pain.
It is people, LIKE YOU, who teach children that they should be hurt by words. It is people, LIKE YOU, who are responsible for children hurting themselves with the words they hear.
The MOST important thing about adults learning to control their OWN emotions is when they have the power to vote their ideas onto others. If a person cannot control their own emotions, then they are susceptible to OTHER people controlling their emotions. When you control someone’s emotions you control how they act which includes voting. Such things have lead to the greatest atrocities in history such as Socrates’ execution, Jesus’ execution, wars, and the Holocaust.
You don’t want people to accept ideas because they like someone or they like HOW they presented the idea. You want people to accept ideas because they actually make sense. Otherwise you get a society full of adult children who accept bad ideas they like to hear and reject good ideas they don’t like to hear.
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@jessiedickey3650 “If all we do is kick people out who break the law, all that will happen is we create areas designated for devastation.”
1: Pure speculation.
2. Do you honestly believe that pot smokers are THAT destructive/unproductive?
3. Do you really believe that people who sell loose cigarettes should be arrested?
4. We already have many cities with large swathes of devastation, so your argument is already wrong considering nobody is kicked out for breaking laws, and the devastation ALREADY occurs.
“…won’t suddenly start experiencing empathy.”
1. Empathy isn’t required to do the “correct” thing. Many people who know me think I’m a good person for always sacrificing for others. Picking strangers up on the street to give them a ride home and slipping a $20 in their groceries so I want be around when they find it makes some people think I’m empathetic.
I’m not.
I solve problems. Picking up somebody carrying bags of groceries is the same as thinking “four” when I see “2+2” on a piece of paper.
2. Empathy is destructive without wisdom.
People will solve other peoples’ problems depriving them of the opportunity to learn how to do it themselves. All this does is make that person dependent on others which leads to destruction when nobody else is around.
Helicopter parents ruin their children by not preparing them for a world where they aren’t always their looking out after them. It is narcissistic to give without teaching because it creates an endless supply of purpose and praise for the “benefactor.”
I KNOW I won’t always be around for the people I care about, so I do my best to give them just enough of a hard time so that their life will be just a little easier when I’m gone.
“Law and punishment are designed to manage the selfish and irrational side of the human…”
1. What was the last ACTUAL law that you read?
2. How much money is spent on Law Enforcement, Lawyers, Judges, and the prison industrial complex? You do understand that privatized prisons operate to produce a profit, right? More prisoners; more profit.
3. Do you understand where wealth, that is allocated to the welfare system, goes? It does NOT go TO welfare recipients. It goes THROUGH welfare recipients TO large corporations. The welfare system is a scam that producers a direct line from middle class wealth to rich people’s bank accounts.
Who has equity in a Section 8 property?
The recipient?
The taxpayer funding it?
The government facilitating the transaction?
No. No. No.
That would be the property owner who will have a steady stream of income for as long as those recipients remain in “poverty.”
Blackrock can buy properties up in bulk at lower interest rates than you can acquire for a standard mortgage, they can pay them off in five to ten years with the Section 8 subsidized rent they collect.
Then they buy more.
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This is just a tiny portion of how government drains society of resources while the rich get richer.
All because people are too lazy to build society themselves caused by empathy-driven inaction. People tend to say they care about something only to vote for an absolute stranger to take care of it for them.
You cannot be charitable with other peoples’ wealth. Philanthropy cannot be executed through government.
“Like intentional murder…”
Of course you’d go straight to the one offense just about everybody thinks is wrong and only constitutes a small portion of the inmates incarcerated.
3.2% Homicide, Aggravated Assault, Kidnapping
45.2% Drug offenses.
If you’re going to make an argument, try using a more prevalent statistic.
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@seleuf “…humans being a highly social species…” is a basal drive of which we many that we are conditioned to suppress. How do you choose which drives to suppress and which to fall victim to?
Secondly, what are “fellow humans, a pet, a plant, or an inanimate object” to a person?
“Mental and emotional abuse are abuse…” How? It’s one thing to make a claim about a process, and it is a completely different thing to explain it. I CAN explain it, and it involves how the brain processes certain aspects of perception. Your comments suggest that you don’t understand the difference between basic ideas like light and color.
Also, the situation described sounds far more severe than simply…” How is it more “severe”? What is going on in the brain that makes it more “severe”? How is it the “severity” is subjective wherein some people will break down while others will not be phased? What regions of the brain are involved, and how do they differ across the population such that “severity” is judged differently between individuals? Isn’t the variability in reaction proof that “mental and emotional abuse” isn’t determined by the source but by the recipient? If two people of the same demographic hear the same “offensive slur”, but only one is offended, doesn’t that prove that offense originates in the mind of the offended and not the one being offensive?
If a tree falls in a mime in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, does the mime make a noise? All joking aside, it is a relevant question, and the answer is “no.” Can you explain why?
You see, I’ve spent A LOT of time thinking about all these things because society is full of contradictory values. I spent four years of my life studying the brain on my own time for my own purposes of understanding my emotions. In the process, I learned many things and was able to answer these different questions.
Have you?
All you’ve done is make claims with nothing supporting them OR an explanation of what goes on in the brain to manifest all the outcomes you claim occur.
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@cathpalug1221 How has forced inclusion worked so far?
Should I be allowed to move into your house, then FORCE you to abide by different rules just because moving in to your house allowed a majority to change your ways?
Or, if I fail to change your rules, but I decide to break them anyways, are you just going to lock me up in the basement and feed me until I get parole?
Or, wouldn’t you just say, “my house, my rules, or get out.”?
Doesn’t it make more sense to just allow pot smokers to live in cities that have no problem with that than to lock them up in a prison if they happen to get caught in a city that outlawed it?
The thing you aren’t considering is that disagreements in opinions leads to laws. Laws lead to incarceration.
What you are arguing for is the justification for the mass incarceration that plagues America as the prison industrial complex drains society of resources just because a couple million people wanted to take drugs.
You see it as “alienation” because you don’t follow your ideas to their natural conclusions.
Besides, ideological segregation is how your brain is organized. So your single example is pretty insignificant to the billions of examples existing today in each of our skulls.
Find me a community as successful as the 100 billion neurons in your brain, and I’ll reconsider my position. Ideological segregation is the NATURAL evolution of a functional society. Forced inclusion is the flawed and artificial form of society.
I’ll take my cures from nature and its billions of years of natural selection, thanks.
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@cathpalug1221 I missed your oh so relevant example of murder. Before I address it, I would like to know why you would address a crime that represents about ONE PERCENT of the prison population while ignoring the victimless crime of taking drugs which represents almost HALF of the prison population?
As for your scenario, why would you let some stranger ALL the way into your house and offer them absolute trust before vetting them? I wouldn’t have nailed you as pro- border security, but I find people can’t extrapolate from personal perspectives to national perspectives without running into all kinds of inconsistencies. So are you for completely open borders considering your scenario pretty much epitomizes that stance while, at the same time, reveals how ridiculous open borders are? You certainly opened a can of worms with that example.
So, in the case of allowing strangers into my house, I would definitely have safety precautions in place including, but not limited to: superior numbers; firearms use and safety training; and various contingency plans. I would also have a NEIGHBORHOOD of individuals who have spent decades working, playing, and living with me so that the likeliness that they are a murderous psychopath is far less than a complete stranger.
Honestly, it feels like you just pulled the first worst-case scenario out of the Arthur and hoped to hide your lack of thought in the nebulous situation. If you really want detail, not only would my immediate neighbors have my back because they have such a high degree of agreement with me about life; but the neighboring communities would have very nearly the same bison for society that they understand that to protect our personal ideology, it behooves us to commune as a larger community based on our common ground: both literally (because we live on adjacent properties) and figuratively.(because we share highly similar, but not exactly the same beliefs). In such a situation, there would be very little reason for a complete stranger o come to any of our houses, and such an irregular act would put the community on a higher alert level.
Should I go on?
“Also no, segregation is actually not part of natural selection.”
Really? You have plenty of evidence showing cats and dogs successfully creating offspring? 😂
We can get even more basic and personal than that.
Your gut microbiome consists of THOUSANDS of alien microbial species that, if left to mingle with the rest of the cells in your digestive tract; blood stream; or airways would cause some drastic changes in your cellular community.
How about you take all the matter in your intestines containing those genetically different organisms and spread it around the is die if your body instead of in your arguments, and let me know how it goes? Actually, don’t do that. Find a gastroenterologist, and ask them to explain what mingling genetically different organisms together would do to your body.
“Yes, it is part of your natural colonialism educated brain but unfortunately not in nature as DNA evidence suggested that homo sapiens have other hominin species DNA…”
This is a GREAT point!!!
Maybe COLONIALISTS should NOT have invaded lands with people of vastly different ideologies!!!
THANK YOU!! YOU REST MY CASE!!!
Obviously, I’m being facetious because whether through bloody conquest or slow assimilation, less advanced cultures will always be subsumed into more advanced cultures. Considering your seeming hatred for Western Civilization, which invented the idea of “multi-culturalism” (seriously, how can you argue FOR an idea invented by people you seem to despise? 😂) I might add, you seem to be selective in your hatred as you enjoy the internet, social media, and technological platforms that power those things which Western Civilization made possible for you: O would think that engaging with the fruits of Western Civilization would turn your stomach so bad that you would shudder even THINKING about using these technologies.
I kind of feel that it would be best for your mental and emotional well-being if you avoided all traces of Western Civilization. America set aside reservations for people with such reservations. You may be able to apply for membership in their (by your standards) superior civilization.
But back to your main point about genetically SIMILAR species sharing enough commonality that they could successfully create offspring. Again, whose case are you trying to make? I have been doing nothing but explaining that ideologically similar people should intermingle which is the metaphysical equivalent of the physical example you just gave.
Of EVERY genetic species alive during the time you reference, what percent did those particular species represent in that total genetic environment? Let’s throw you a bone and say TEN species out of what? MILLIONS? BILLIONS? Human ideological diversity can’t even come CLOSE to that level of diversity. Yet you think isolating a percent of a percent of a percent of the entire genetic population of life on Earth is proof against ideological segregation?
The amount of self-contradicting examples you are providing is seriously causing me to question my own sanity. Unless you are intentionally providing such erroneous examples because this conversation is actually just a big joke, then BRAVO!!! Ya got me!!! 😂
If not, the alternatives are quite a bit less desirable: I’m crazy or you’re crazy.
Unfortunately, people seldom self-diagnose as crazy, so we are in a slight quandary. I’m willing to accept the mantle of crazy since you aren’t the only person I’ve discoursed with that exhibited the same level of sincere inconsistency, so me being the common denominator would imply that I’m the crazy one…
Although, the sane man in an insane world would appear, even to himself, as the insane one. It’s a bit reminiscent of Plato’s Allegory of The Cave. Wonderful story that has been recast many times in popular culture; even by those claiming to be “woke” as they vote for more of the system that controls their lives… 😂
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@RatusMax “Right now the mind isn’t capable of processing all possible outcomes.”
The brain is merely a small sample of a fractal existence which humans are currently interrupting. On average, 1,000 lower order neurons will report to a higher order neuron. What a single order neuron is aware of is 1,000 times less than the neuron above it. So a First Order neuron is aware of a set of DATA that it processes and sends up INFORMation to its Second Order neuron which receives it as DATA. That Second Order neuron repeats this process to the Third Order neuron, and so on. At each level, awareness and consciousness grows exponentially. The final stage of awareness and consciousness amalgamation is between both hemispheres of the brain through the corpus callosum. Each hemisphere IS a distinct personality very much like you and are I distinct personalities. The difference between two hemispheres and two humans is the level of and duration of communication. When humans spend more and more meaningful time with each other, they begin to develop similar neuronal patterns to the point where they begin finishing each other’s sentences or can wordlessly accomplish complicated tasks in tandem. Now if many humans come together, they begin to form the same patterns formed in the brain. Lower order individuals process the DATA that they are aware of, and they communicate that INFORMATION to a higher order individual as DATA. You see these structures in organizations like clubs, groups, businesses, military, and any other highly organized corporation. Corporations are the amalgamation of multiple individuals into a single entity just as “you” are an amalgamation of 100 billion neurons.
Where humans fail is in general society.
Let’s consider an individual adult; a close group of adult friends; or a family unit (two adult parents) as a First Order community. Let’s say 100 adults of First order communities come together as a Second Order community. This community selects 5 representatives who spend three months of the year in a Third Order community composed of five representatives of 19 neighboring Second Order communities; another. This would be a 100 adult community that receives DATA from their respective Second Order communities.
So we have, again, an increasing level of awareness and consciousness repeating the pattern started in the brain. Continuing this pattern of 5 representatives of 20 Lower Order communities moving up to a Higher Order community creates an exponential growth of population and awareness.
•Third Order community is composed of 2,000 adults;
•Fourth order of 40,000 adults
•Fifth Order of 800,000 adults
•Sixth Order of 16,000,000 adults
•Seventh Order of 320,000,000 adults (national)
•Eighth Order of 6,400,000,000 adults (planetary)
•Ninth Order of 128,000,000,000 adults (star system)
•Tenth Order of 2,560,000,000,000 adults (local group)
•Eleventh Order of 51,200,000,000,000 adults (local cluster)
•Twelfth Order of 102,400,000,000,000 adults (galactic sector)
•Thirteenth Order of 2,048,000,000,000,000 adults (galactic region)
•Fourteenth Order of 40,960,000,000,000,000 adults (galactic empire)
How do we get there?
That’s one piece of my life’s work: Theta Wave. Theta Wave is an AI designed to create meaningful connections between individuals and promote the congregation of individuals based on deeply held philosophical and political beliefs much like it’s namesake brainwave does for seemingly unrelated neuronal clusters (“ideas”) in the brain. The brain naturally organizes related ideas because each “idea” creates a brain wave that is harmonious with similar brainwaves from other “ideas.” This is the fundamental mechanism behind epiphanies and brilliance. When writer’s block hits, it is the theta wave that makes that leap of logic which breaks through that block.
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“We’ll probably see free will lost by the end of our lifetimes…”
Ten years ago, I struggled with freedom until I finally realized that my body is WHAT I am. It is defined by genetic patterns, and it is at the mercy of the physical world. My mind is WHO I am. It is defined by neuronal patterns, and it is mine to control as I see fit. You can lock me in a dungeon for the rest of my life, and all that would be accomplished is locking me away in the world I have spent decades building IN MY MIND.
Free will is not about what you can do in the physical realm of the Universe but what you dare to do in the metaphysical realm of your Mind. Remember, the first hammer existed in the mind before it existed in the Universe…
The Mind is, at the same time, the consequence of the laws of the Universe AND the mechanism for the ordered transformation of the Universe. The Mind is a corporation of smaller minds, and The Mind grows as the smaller minds organize themselves.
So, free will can never die as long as minds are free to gather data and transform it into information for a larger group mind. The trick is to show those smaller group minds that they can and should continue the fractal pattern started in each one of their own brains.
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@RatusMax “If I say this is what I truly believe, they’ll reject it…”
Do you have any idea how Platonic that is?
Plato saw Socrates’ execution and how it came about. Socrates spoke truth DIRECTLY and OPENLY to power. Power doesn’t like truth, so it had him executed. Plato still spread the truth, but he put it into a work of fiction called “Republic” wherein the protagonist was a dead man. Since the source of truth was a work of fiction, Plato was free of persecution.
This is called encapsulation: a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. Encapsulation has multiple uses. Aside from the one already mentioned (hiding from The Shadow Puppet Masters in The Cave), encapsulation allows ideas to get into a person’s subconscious much like a Trojan Horse. This is your stated purpose for sci-fi. Another use is to plant the seed of an idea that is not sufficiently mature enough to process it yet. This is seen in such works as Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave,” Jesus’ parables, and Aesop’s Fables.
Because life is fractal, everything has an abstraction. It is in those abstractions that patterns are recognized. Once a pattern is recognized, it can be instantiated into a new form.
Existence has two components: physical and metaphysical. A rock has a SINGLE physical aspect: hardness, color, density, shape. However, it has MULTIPLE metaphysical purposes: a projectile, a hammer head, a bludgeon, a blade, a fortification, a ballistic, a weight. Conversely, a cup has a SINGLE metaphysical purpose: to contain. A cup can be instantiated with MULTIPLE physical materials: wood, glass, plastic, metal, you can cup your hands at a river (water) or around your mouth (send sound) or around your ear (receive sound), or a magnetic field (plasma).
So the duality of existence is composed of a one-to-many relationship between the physical and the metaphysical OR between the metaphysical and the physical. This relationship requires an intelligence to make the application. Inanimate objects are subject to an animate object’s assigned purpose. Animate objects can assign other animate objects purpose. The true nature of freedom is when an animate object assigns its own purpose within the constraints of its field of influence. This is the fundamental basis for Stoicism which mastery of emotions is a prime tenet and necessity for manipulating the physical realm based on one’s own will.
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@ashleykathryn9038 Society has a problem with false dichotomies because they have been conditioned to ignore the fundamental principles of building a society: meaningful connections.
If you have children (or imagine that you do for this exercise), of the 100 houses nearest to you, how many of them would you send your children to if you and your partner are both working, and your children were let out of school early on short notice?
I average less than 1 when I ask people that. Some people know three or four neighbors fairly well. Even fewer would trust their neighbors with their lives. None would say 50-100% of those houses.
It takes a village to raise a child. We forgot how to build villages; we have lost our villages; and now we are losing our children. That is OUR fault as a society; not as individual parents.
As we developed technologically, we slowly let go of the concept of specialization and delegation. We used to have to carry loads of laundry down to the river; and scrub; haul the much heavier wet load back; hang them; and take them down. Now we each have machines that do this for us allowing us to do more chores faster…as individuals.
And yet, we used to have more time to think and talk to each other when we had less creature comforts. Why?
Because instead of 100 adults building a tightly knit community based on a shared ideology, we decided it would be best to surround ourselves with abject strangers. Instead of:
30 of those adults working in the outside economy (hunters and gatherers);
5 doing all the landscaping;
5 doing all the laundry;
5 doing all the groceries and cooking;
5 doing all the house maintenance;
5 doing all the housecleaning;
5 doing all the automobile maintenance;
5 doing all the bureaucratic paperwork;
5 EDUCATING all the children;
5 pursuing higher education to land higher paying jobs;
And here’s the most important…
5 living in another community for 3 months of the year composed of 5 representatives of 19 other nearby communities with a slightly lower degree of ideological agreement BETWEEN communities but the same high degree of agreement WITHIN their respective communities with the responsibility of making decisions of common interests between all 20 communities.
This is the most important because NOW every individual has a DIRECT and meaningful connection to their representatives. Any decision made by those representatives affects them as much as the community they come from and represent. Those representatives eat, sleep, work, play, eat, cry, laugh, and die with those they represent AS IT SHOULD BE but is not. Those 100 representatives represent a higher order community of 2,000 adults. This process is fractal and exponential. You create another community above that one composed of 5 representatives of nearby 2nd order communities of 2,000 adults creating a 3rd order community representing 40,000 adults; 4th order community of 800,000 adults (“county”); 5th order community of 16,000,000 adults (“state”); 6th order community of 320,000,000 adults (“nation”)…
WITHIN each community, people have a high level of agreement that laws become “house rules” that determines who can join the community, and taxes become “voluntary contributions. The fundamental truth about laws and taxes are that they are forced upon those who disagree with them. What people don’t understand is that IF you live with the people you agree with, laws and taxes become unnecessary WITHIN the community because you don’t have to force people who agree with you to do the things you both agree should be done.
The concept is so simple, Nature used it to design the brain.
So, the false dichotomy about “education” as that it isn’t “public schools” versus “home schools.” There is a complete spectrum of possibilities between those book ends. “Community schools” have Mike options to develop. A single 1st order community can educate all their children. Neighboring communities can delegate education based on subject level such that one community handles early education, anther handles middle education, a third handles high education; and multiple others handle higher education in specialized subjects.
The cool thing about this natural paradigm is that every parent knows exactly what is being taught, not only because they live with the people they agree with, but also because they have far more time to be invested in their children’s education. Remember, these adults are handling dozens of chores individually anymore. They are now benefiting from BOTH division of labor AND modern technology.
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@itskitt3237 That’s probably because you are projecting.
What, exactly, makes me appear that I am upset? Can you see my micro expressions? Can you detect my heart rate and respiration through the internet? Are you detecting any pheromones I am releasing?
“I do know experience and that’s what I commented on.”
You do realize that’s the basis for religion and superstitions, right?
“We observe the Sun disappearing. It must be some unseen force…we’ll call it ‘god’.”
You see, teacher, observations and conclusions based on correlation is NOT scientific. It is lazy.
If you can’t explain the process, observations and hypotheses are useless. Contrary to popular belief, statistics and consensus is not science.
By the way, I am not a psychologist, psychiatrist, or a neuroscientist either: I am a man who used to have certain mental issues, and I took advantage of a new technology to learn about myself down to the level of neurons. I have a day job, but I find that understanding my own brain is the most important thing in my life. If I don’t understand how my brain works, then I cannot master it. If I cannot master my own brain, others will.
You should look inwards some time, and learn about your own brain. It’s amazing…
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@itskitt3237 Much better. Society has devolved in their ability to articulate complete ideas due to an increased amount of stimulus and decreased amount of time to integrate it.
Here’s one fundamental issue with education today: it does NOT evolve.
Without going into too much detail (and you can ask for more if you wish) evolution/innovation is driven by necessity established by environment and is facilitated by natural SELECTION. A selection implies the freedom to choose. GOVERNment is the antithesis of freedom to choose. As more laws are passed, the fewer freedoms and choose we have to make.
Where evolution occurs is in a free environment. Today, this would be the free market. So, let’s look at the primary competition with education for a child’s attention: entertainment.
Entertainment, being in the free market, rapidly evolves. Movies attain higher definition, better special effects, and competition to drive each one to be better than the last. Video games evolved by leaps and bounds as first, electronics evolved, then as communications evolved. All these things excel at the one thing schools do not: novelty. Do you know what novelty is to an individual neuron?
A job.
A neuron has specific tasks to accomplish to receive the nourishment it requires to survive AND thrive. They have to collect raw data; process that data into information; then transmit that information to a higher order neuron that receives it as raw data to repeat this process. Lower order neurons can report to a single higher order neuron anywhere between a 10:1 up to a 10,000:1 ratio. This pattern repeats until it reaches the prefrontal cortex to manifest heat we consider “You.” “You” are the aggregation of billions of lower levels of consciousnesses organized in a hierarchical and decentralized design. Each individual neuron is only aware of the neurons it is directly connected to so that no single neuron receives dictates from a centralized governing group of neurons; what we would liken to as a national government. This means, each individual neuron is free to decide where to explore and what neurons to connect with. This freedom is the basis behind the process of babies LEARNING to see color within the first two months after birth. As neurons are created, they immediately begin to seek out particular sources of “food” that lead to a build up of charge and a subsequent discharge. A neuron that fails to charge and discharge receives no resources. As living creatures, they are driven to ensure that they accomplished these tasks which normally involves being connected to other neurons that provide the chemicals needed to trigger a discharge: neurotransmitters.
Neurotransmitters are basically currency neurons trade to one another to fulfill their tasks. A network that activates often (an idea that is used a lot) will produce excess neurotransmitters that attract other neurons to that network much like a successful business generates a surplus of wrath that attracts more employees.
In the abstract, a neuron’s job is to help represent “ideas.” So, the more ideas a neuron is apart of or the more utilized an idea is, the associated neurons will grow from the excess resources. Neurons that are apart of ideas rarely used will frantically search for more useful ideas to be apart of, and when they do, they let go of the useless idea. This is why when a student is forced to learn a subject well enough to pass a test but never apply once the class is passed, they begin to lose that knowledge because those “jobs” are seen as obsolete to the brain which puts a lot of neurons out of work.
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The point of all this is that “boredom” is the brain’s version of a recession where neurons are desperate to be a part of useful ideas. “Distraction” is the brain’s version of a job fair where neurons are busy trying to find jobs to justify the resources they receive.
So, when a child is distracted, it is because they are bored due to the lack of useful ideas their neurons require to remain alive. When I say “useful”, I mean from the perspective of the child’s brain. “Education” fails more today because children find more jobs for their neurons in a rapidly evolving free market than they do in an “educational” environment that is prevented from evolving.
Public education and free market entertainment compete for the exact same resource: attention. Like the dinosaurs of old, public education should go extinct; replaced by far better methods utilizing the current technology AND neurological processes we now understand. The knowledge about the brain we have accumulated so far all point to a simple idea that Plato uttered over two thousand years ago: a child coerced to learn will be less successful than a child who plays.
“Playing” is the “scientific method” practiced by neurons in the brain. As some neurons are assigned the role of establishing the rules of a game and the “win condition”, it is primed to conduct experiments after experiments to find the path (solution) between their current state and the “win” state. Children play because in testing all those possibilities, they innately learn what their capabilities are and how best to work around their weakness while utilizing their strengths to great effect.
What society did was they took all the rules of the game and put them into government run institutions, while allowing the experimentation aspect to run free in the free market. Children struggle to learn today because their brains are failing to find the relevance for all the rules they lean in textbooks. They are unable to develop that relevance because they have no outlets to experiment with those rules.
They have no way to play with the knowledge they are forced to learn because their free time is now taken up with all the knowledge they want to learn. A century ago, kids had chores to look forward to after class. Today they have a cornucopia of knowledge available after class, and their minds are free to explore as is its primary function all the way down to the individual neuron.
Neurons and magnetic bits on a computer hard drive serve the same purpose: organize into patterns to represent ideas. Where they differ is that neurons are living creates to explore the spaces BETWEEN ideas. When two ideas explore and find one another, their connection creates a new, more complex idea. Three ideas is one more job than two ideas, and the more jobs neurons have, the more secure they are in the community.
What forced and standardized education does is it creates chasms between ideas that children are taught not to explore either directly by being told they are wrong or indirectly by giving them so much information their neurons do not have the time to explore those spaces.
I do not say all of this to disparage the educators. Their ignorance in how the brain works isn’t entirely their fault. They, too, so not have the time to study such important matters, so they will have a more difficult time seeing the glaring flaws in standardized education.
My criticism is more towards the government that creates these cognitive environments and the society that allowed it to happen in the best case and demanded it in the worst case.
The system is obsolete, and it is destroying a child’s ability to be an individual as they are conditioned with WHAT to think rather than HOW to think.
Fortunately, in studying the brain, I have also learned that being angry or upset at this knowledge is useless. It is that detachment that makes people believe I am cold and emotionless; psychopathic.
The exact opposite is true.
Knowing something is wrong demands rational thought to develop a solution; not emotional responses that lead to inaction (complaint) or incorrect action (voting for the most popular and least qualified to solve the problems for us). I control my emotions because I WANT to actually solve it.
ME.
Not some person I’ll never meet who’ll sign thousand page bills that I’ll never read drafted by corporate lobbyists I’ll never see.
The person that should solve the problems I see is ME.
Children complain until someone else solves the problem.
Adults solve the problem.
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@yona1478 Just stick with the descriptor label and stop associating them with “dysfunction.”
Also, back in the caveman days we didn’t have glasses for people with poor eye sight and we had a scarcity of food that evolved our “sweet tooth” which we still have today despite the abundance of food we now have. “Sweet” meant sugar which meant high calorie content which was conducive to living minute but minute when we lived in caves. “Sweet” was “good” because it triggered our dopamine centers. In today’s society “sweet” is now “bad” even though our subconscious still triggers like it is “good.”
So, you can talk about social norms, psychology, and evolution all you want, but your limited knowledge in each precludes you from seeing the larger picture. Even with my broad range of knowledge and understanding, I don’t understand all of it. What I do understand is that “good” and “bad” is dependent upon the point of view taken. Just like to some, it is “good” to stop a bully from saying “mean” words to a victim, but they do not consider the time when they won’t be around to stop the bully making the victim permanently victimized. While others see the time when they won’t be around so they spend their time teaching the target of bullying how not to be a victim.
My distaste for the terminology used isn’t an emotional concern regarding the recipient of the label. It is a rational concern regarding a flippant society’s dismissive mess of that which is DIFFERENT. By singling out certain mental states as divergent, it automatically establishes a “norm” everybody should strive for. This isn’t to say that an individual can strive for the “norm” if they wish, but we shouldn’t be conditions people to believe that that is the best choice for everyone.
For those that see their uniqueness as a superpower, it is best to not convince them otherwise through mindless language “normal” people spend next to no time thinking about.
I am not “normal” BECAUSE I am not mindless. I’m more mindful than anybody I have never met. It provides me with, not only a wider range of perspectives, but also the ability to quickly change my perspective to one I have never taken before. I was heavily oppressed as a child, and one of the most important things I gained from that time in my life is the ability to detach from myself to see the world through other peoples’ eyes. It’s a wonderful gift to desire understanding other people, but it comes with a great responsibility. For, if you know how a person thinks, you know how to control them.
I share what I know PRECISELY because I don’t want anybody to be controlled. I share what I know so people can control themselves instead of being controlled by others: by other individuals or society in general. However, all I can do is offer what I know. I won’t force it on anybody.
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