Comments by "IIIRattleHeadIII" (@badass6300) on "R9 390 vs GTX970 - Is there a new Performance per Dollar King?" video.

  1. ***** Also the r9 390 and r9 390x can utilize only 6GB out of 8GB Vram effectively. As much bandwidth as the Hawaii has it isn't enough to utilize all the Vram effectively(at full speed) and in scenarios where the bandwidth is not the limiting factor, the r9 390 and r9 390x are just not powerful enough. The reason why the gtx 970 utilizes only 3.5GB out of 4.0GB Vram effectively is because maxwell relies on large L2 cache pools, to compensate for the low bandwidth of the GPU and utilize more Vram Effectively(at full speed). But the gtx 980 has 2048kb of L2 cache allowing it to utilize all the 4gb of Vram, while the gtx 970 has one L2 cache module disabled, thus one Vram module, which is 512MB big is utilized at 22Gb/s instead of 220GB/s.
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  2. ***** http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/260935-asus-radeon-r9-270x-4gb/
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  3. ***** The r9 300 series use TSMC's HPM/HPC. HPM/HPC is TSMC's high performance 28nm technology. It allows hardware to run at higher clock speeds at lower voltages, in other words higher clock speeds with less heat(TDP) and power consumption. HPM/HPC is used currently by the r9 300 series, gtx 900 series and Qualcomm's 2014-2015 CPUs.
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  4. ***** Great Review BTW. :)
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  5. ***** http://lanoc.org/review/video-cards/6815-msi-r9-270x-gaming-4g?showall=&start=6 As I said that extra 2GB of Vram is useless. The games tested consume more than 2GB of Vram if available at 1080p max settings, especially metro LL, Bioshock and Hitman Absolution.
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  6. ***** Redux is the optimized one version of both LL and 2033.... you know that right?...
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  7. ***** Yes you bought the redux version, the one tested is NOT the redux version.
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  8. MartGameFails r9 380x vs gtx 960 - r9 380x wins and costs the same. gtx 390x vs gtx 980 - equal, but the r9 390x can utilize more Vram effectively and costs less.
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  9. ***** I gave you the technical specifications and reasons... I'm sorry that 99.9% or in other words all but you know that a 4gb r9 270x has the same performance as the 2gb r9 270x... If the r9 270x 4gb was actually better, for 20$ more everybody would be buying it... But you know what, nobody does buy it and there is almost no content about it. http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?gid=1979&graphics=Radeon%20R9%20270X%20Sapphire%20Dual-X%204GB%20OC%20Edition
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  10. ReignTheTempest If you are asking about the gtx 970, then as long as the 500 Watt PSU has 37AMPs on the +12V rail, then yes it can power the gtx 970.
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  11. chris barros http://www.hwcompare.com/20381/radeon-r9-290x-vs-radeon-r9-390x-8g/
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  12. ***** Well, my friend, if you had any knowledge you'd know I'm right. But people like to just watch graphs and believe some random people just running test without any knowledge, over some random people with actual knowledge.
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  13. ***** http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=2056&gid2=1900&compare=radeon-r9-270x-msi-gaming-4gb-edition-vs-radeon-r9-270x-sapphire-dual-x-2gb-oc-edition
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  14. ***** read the bottom of what I sent you.
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  15. ***** It's pretty hard to find benchmarks between the 4gb and 2gb r9 270x, actually it's hard to find any 4gb r9 270x content. I guess nobody is stupid enough to buy the 4gb version...
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  16. Stan Ch the gtx 980ti competes with the fury X and the AMP! Extreme! Edition is a super highly-clocked gtx 980ti, so it competes with an overclocked fury X, so the gtx 980ti is the clear winner.
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  17. ***** Superior lighting effects and better textures + a huge optimization...
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  18. ***** The none-Redux Version of both 2033 and LL had horrific optimization.
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  19. ***** http://www.legitreviews.com/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-760-4gb-video-card-review-2gb-4gb_129062/4 it might be a gtx 760, but it's got the same or slightly better performance than the r9 270x, since AMD users are not stupid enough to buy a useless extra 2GB of Vram, here take a look.
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  20. GuardianLords Firts of all of TDP stands for thermal design power, or in other words how much heat the GPU outputs and how good of a cooler you need to cool it both measured in Watts. you need to remember that all 3rd party gtx 970s that have that good overclock and are clocked at 1250-1350 actually consume 20-30% more power and the TDP of the gtx 970 is 165 Watts. https://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/power-requirements-for-graphics-cards According to MSI, if you are buying their GPUs, the r9 390 needs 30AMPs on the +12V rail, while the gtx 970 needs 28AMPs on the +12V rail, in other words it's a 24 Watt difference. :P
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  21. GuardianLords TDP can be equal or more than the power consumption, TDP can NOT be less than the power consumption.
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  22. tony10980 In an interview one of AMD's employees mentioned that the r9 300 series will be better binned. For a card to be better binned it needs some kind of improvement in the manufacturer's(TSMC) technology, I searched what TSMC had to offer and I found that they had HPM/HPC, which the gtx 900 series and Qualcomm's newer CPU use. And the part with Vram Utilization is basic GPU architecture knowledge, well a little above basic.
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  23. ***** utilize effectively and utilize are two different things. A gpu NOT utilizing Vram effectively means that even if the Vram is used to it's full(8GB/8GB) when used above 6GB Vram it does NOT yield any performance increase.
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  24. ***** It means that the r9 390x and r9 390 use the last (arround)2GB out of 8GB of Vram as the gtx 970 does the 3.5GB out of 4.0GB Vram, at really, really low speeds. With the r9 390x and r9 390 we can't have a sure number, because unlike the maxwell gtx 970 which relies on large amounts of L2 cache to utilize Vram effectively, the r9 390 and r9 390x Hawaii rely heavily on raw bandwidth. The gtx 970 has one L2 cache module disabled, thus one Vram module, which is 512MB big, is utilized at 22Gb/s instead of 220GB/s like the rest 3.5GB of Vram. Bandwidth formula: It's calculated by multiplying the card's bus width by its memory clock speed. In the case of DDR type RAM, the result should be multiplied by 2 again. If it uses DDR5, multiply by 4 instead. The higher the bandwidth is, the faster the card will be in general. It especially helps with AA, High Dynamic Range and higher screen resolutions.
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  25. ***** and you will NOT notice any difference in games that do use more than 2GB of Vram between an r9 270(X) with 2GB of Vram and 4GB of Vram. Vram needs to be fast for the GPU to benefit from it. Otherwise why not stick with the 20-40Gb/s DDR3 Vram and put 16GB of Vram on one card if speed does NOT matter. The R9 270(X) utilizes 2-2.2GB of Vram at full bandwidth, while everything above that amount is probably at the speed of ddr3 or lower. 
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  26. ***** Do you have any basic idea of GPU architecture or are you just looking at graphs and sites with benchmarks?
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  27. 441meatloaf People have started defying physics I guess....
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  28. Jonathan Pinto http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6Njs7P
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  29. Jonathan Pinto when not overclocking the weakest haswell i5 - the i5 4430 is only 500Mhz or 13% weaker than the strongest haswell i5 - the i5 4690k, but it costs 50-80$ less.
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  30. Jonathan Pinto no problems.
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  31. : D3 the MSI runs cooler and the heatsing directly touches the VRAM and VRMs, unlike the DCUIII, so I would go with it.
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  32. ***** true, but for example in my case I don't need more than a single r9 285, I've got 2x r9 285s just because I wanted to see how it is having a crossfire set up(and my father was paying for the second GPU). I game at 1680x1050 or 1440x900 depending on which monitor I use and even one r9 285 can max everything. Thanks to VSR now I'm playing at down-scaled 2500x1600 and everything still works great. P.S don't be fooled by the low resolution, both monitors have a ton of ports, DVI, HDMI, Display Port, Scart, rga, composite, component video, S-Video and Aux and cost quite a bit. I have a lot of consoles after all.
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  33. tony10980 I've been interested in computers ever since I'm 7-8 years old. I've read a lot of books about hardware architecture, computer science, software development, I've read a lot about optimization, API, Drivers, machine code and such, since I plan on working in an area with computer science, be it hardware, software, support, or anything really. And NO I don't classify myself as a nerd... I'm social and I'm not talking about facebook and twitter and all that bullshit, that is not social... I go out with friends and have fun like it should be... I don't even have any social media account, if we don't count youtube and google+....
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  34. ***** What you need in a PSU is to be recent model so it's compatible with all hardware, so that it doesn't cause problems and a powerful +12V rail, all that bullshit about the "right brand" and "trusted brand" is just a myth that the fellow sheep and fish in the internet have bought since a long, long time.... we live in 2015 not 1995...
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  35. ***** Yes, but the multiple titan X in his PC are sponsored, literary just saying.
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  36. Scuba Sausage maybe you should blame it on Nvidia and their effects and the game optimization more than on AMD... 
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  37. Scuba Sausage well yes, but how can you blame amd when they can NOT do anything about it even if you gave them all the money and dev team in the world....
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  38. Scuba Sausage well in general SLI users suffer more, Crossfire's Performance scales better and requires less optimization to run well, sadly recently there have been A LOT of mainstream AAA Nvidia optimized games using Nvidia effects. I personally have a crossfire set-up as well 2x r9 285s and it's true, in Dying Light I was getting more performance when using both GPUs, but it was only 5-10fps more and I'm not an Nvidia hater I own an nvidia GPU as well, I got a gtx 970 in my "portable pc". 
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  39. Scuba Sausage I don't have that kind of graphical problems... hmmm.... Personally I've never had a problem with any AMD or Nvidia official driver and a fun fact is that for 2015 there have been more issues with Nvidia drivers than AMD that's until may though, so who knows now. I no longer expect AMD cards to run Nvidia optimized games perfectly... nvidia is just screwing AMD in those titles.
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  40. Scuba Sausage It was in a blog on Game Debate, IDK, a lot of people agreed and he got a warning for copying an article from a site so I guess it's true... 
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  41. Scuba Sausage I don't trust 99% of the tech sites, because they don't even know why they are getting the kind of results they are getting, they don't know almost anything about hardware, software, optimization, drivers and shit, just copy - paste or round up what intel, amd or any other company have said, and they usually either have inconsistent results when testing one hardware multiple times or just test a hardware day one and think that the performance will remain the same after optimizations, drivers and patches come out... Most tech sites can NOT tell which gpu is better without testing it first... that's good enough for me to know NOT to trust them.
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  42. Scuba Sausage And rarely is there any proof of owning any hardware, I can get the GPU pictures from google images... or the site of the graphics manufacturer or any other site with reviews.... nor do I know if they are getting payed, if they are getting the hardware for free or if they are biased... so many places I look the r9 390x is weaker than the gtx 980, but when I look at videos(and a lot other tech sites) the r9 390x is equal to the gtx 980 at 1080p or better at 1440p or higher, just I expected it to be(well I expected it to be better at 1080p as well, but oh well). most tech sites as I said can't determine the better GPU just by sheer specs and architecture... that's just what I dislike the most... giving a GPU to a person with minimal to NO knowledge...
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  43. Scuba Sausage depends which 3rd party company card when it comes to temperatures and noise.
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  44. Scuba Sausage the r9 300 run fanless until they reach 70C, the r7 370's and r9 380's(In a lot of games) don't turn on at ALL. Same goes for the gtx 960, but the the gtx 970 and above need the fans.
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  45. Scuba Sausage the only r9 290x that heated alot was the r9 290x reference and the asus one, the r9 290x reference had a 225-250W TDP cooler on a 290W TDP GPU and the ASUS DCII had no cooling on the VRMs and/or Vram. Other gpus ran at 70-72C max and were even factory overclocked. And all the r9 300 seires(and gtx 900 and qualcomm CPUs) use HPM/HPC.
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  46. Scuba Sausage I think it's a typo because the uber mode a.k.a the OC mode that forces the GPU to run at BOOST speeds all the time heats less.... while the silent one runs at Stock Speeds, which are 800Mhz. Stupid thing is that most 3rd party companies market the r9 290x with the Boost clock speed as the stock one.... the r9 290x has a 800Mhz stock clock speed, while the r9 390x has a 1050Mhz stock clock speed.
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  47. chris barros uber mode is the mode that the reference r9 290X cooks itself and throttles.... and AMD themselves said that uber mode is OC/Boost Mode, so it's not the stock mode. The quiet mode is stock and the uber is forced boost mode.
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  48. Scuba Sausage because I read it, agreed and didn't realize I'm agreeing with myself... -_-
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  49. Scuba Sausage http://www.eteknix.com/amd-r9-290-4gb-graphics-card-review/ IDK from what I've seen it always says UP to 1Ghz, UP to 947Mhz... doesn't say that it's stock. http://cdn.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/amd_r9_290_specs.png And this site: http://www.hwcompare.com/20381/radeon-r9-290x-vs-radeon-r9-390x-8g/ says that the stock is 800Mhz. And a lot people say that as well... but I can't really know for sure... I don't own one... Keep in mind I'm talking about the reference r9 290(X).
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  50. Scuba Sausage yes the 3rd party r9 290x run cool and quite and don't need such things.
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  51. Scuba Sausage the sapphire r9 290x Tri-X doesn't go over 70-72C on full load factory overclocked.
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  52. Scuba Sausage I said every THIRD party gpu... well maybe except the asus direct CUIII...
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  53. Theorcman2008 that's why the r9 Fury X has 8.6 Teraflops and the gtx 980ti has 5.63 Teraflops right? Of course this is raw calculation performance, but the majority of gpus are NOT used for games. When it comes to gaming performance, the r9 Fury X has 32-35% more stream processors, 32-35% more TMUs, the same amount ROPs, 33% more Bandwidth, 100% more L2 cache compared to the r9 390x, but only performs 10-15% better. Goes to show that games are NOT optimized for HBM.
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  54. Scuba Sausage that's why when it comes to flagship gpus, I don't and wouldn't recommend a fury X, nor buy one myself a 3rd party Fury None-X is 100-150$ less and performs the same if it comes slightly factory overclocked or is slightly overclocked manually, then it's actually worth the price, since it's 15-25% cheaper than both the r9 Fury X and gtx 980ti and 10-15% weaker than the gtx 980ti, while being as good as the r9 Fury-X
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  55. Scuba Sausage And you are right this is no excuse for the card under-performing, it's a fact, but that doesn't change anything.
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  56. Scuba Sausage yes, but if you get a r9 Fury None-X from sapphire you will get performance accordingly to the price, so if you want amazing performance and want to save 100-150$(15-25% less) and get 10-15% less fps than the gtx 980ti and the same as the r9 Fury-X then it's worth it and at 1440p(the resolution targeted by both the gtx 980ti and r9 Fury and Fury X) the performance difference is even less, 5-10%, while at 4k it's as good as the gtx 980ti(give or take 5%).
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  57. Scuba Sausage I've never had problems with drivers from either company(own both atm). 3rd party AMD gpus are as cool as 3rd party nvidia counterparts give or take 1-3C. And 3rd party Nvidia GPUs consume close to 3rd party AMD counter-parts, not that the difference between stock ones is big either, keep in mind TDP is NOT power consumption. The way I buy my gpus is: 1. I look at how much money I have. 2. I look at the best gpu at the money amount that I have. 3. Then I look if the GPU will do the job. 3.1 If it does I buy it. 3.2 else I continue saving. 4. Repeat. In my country(and eastern europe, africa and parts of Asia) the problem with Nvidia is that it costs 20% + 20% TAX which makes them too expensive to be worth. I personally own 4x up to date AMD gpus and 1x up to date nvidia gpu. 2x hd 7850s, 2x r9 285/380 and 1x Gtx 970 and I've NOT have any problems with my GPUs be it software or hardware/physical and all my gpus run cool. The R9 285/380s fans don't even turn on until it reaches 65C and when they do, it's at such low RPM and usually go back off. Gtx 970 is really cool as well, but I got the reference so it's a bit loud, but I don't give a fuck about noise. And the hd7850s are again reference and run ok, but they are in crossfire and do get a bit warm. Keep in mind I have brother and I travel often enough and I hate laptops so the PCs are justified, the 2x hd 7850 one was huge so I needed another small PC so my father payed for the 970 one, while my main rig with the 2x r9 285/380 has already small case.
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  58. Scuba Sausage well as you said, amd gpus have beefier coolers, that's why they run at temperatures close to the ones of nvidia counterparts, nor do they get loud from my experience as I said the fans barely kick in and I have a pair of them. And it's not that I prefer cheap... I personally just don't see a reason to spend more money, it's not like I can't wait one more month or even less and buy an nvidia gpu instead.
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  59. Franz Girard Cailles "gtx has better graphics"?..... ammm.... no the graphics are the same, since the games the GPUs play are the same.
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  60. Franz Girard Cailles wow... it's like saying that if one person drives a car, then another person drives the exact same car, the car will look different.... 
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  61. Franz Girard Cailles the Fury and Fury X, currently lose to the gtx 980ti, due to poor HBM optimization in games and not matured enough drivers for HBM.
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  62. Franz Girard Cailles I can aford 2x GTX 980ti, but why would I want 2x 980tis, when my 2x r9 380/285s can play every game I throw at them with more than 100fps at worst....  You are spilling bullshit and can't backup anything you say. How good the graphics are is ALL dependent on the game, not the GPU.
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  63. Illuminati Confirmed that's what I've been saying, but this guy with no knowledge just spills BS and think he is right, even when there is NO logical reason behind it.
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  64. David Power no my monitor is 75Hz, I just was offered(by my father) to get another r9 285/380 and I got another one, just wanted to see what it is to have a Crossfire set-up :) To be honest it's not worth it, you are NOT getting enough performance boost in most games compared to one gpu to be worth it. also 100fps you might NOT be able to see, but the latency is much lower and the game controls are more responsive, of course it doesn't really matter, but it's a good thing to know.
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  65. Franz Girard Cailles why should I? You can't back up anything you say, all you do is curse...
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  66. Franz Girard Cailles just like you are judging gpus by their names? Then you are far away from the truth :D
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  67. Matt Pask you can run a r9 390 on a 530W PSU with 38-43AMPs on the +12V rail, or any PSU that has at least 38-43AMPs on the +12V rail really.
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  68. Matt Pask well not really 600W with 45 AMPs on the +12V rail is the sweet spot, unless you want to add custom water cooling and overclock and have a power hungry CPU like the i7 5xxx or fx 8xxx
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  69. Matt Pask a low watt PSU doesn't mean it's cheap there are 500W PSUs that are more expensive than 800W PSUs.
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  70. Matt Pask yeah, because uneducated people think that TDP is power consumption.
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  71. Matt Pask TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, in other words how much heat a given hardware outputs(nvidia) or how much heat output it can output(AMD) and how good of a cooler you need to cool the hardware both measured in watts(watts is a measurment of power, not only electricity). AMD's TDP ratings are for absolute max overclock on air. Nvidia rates them according to the stock speeds of the GPUs, but both don't relate to the power consumption. Nvidia is usually +/- 5 to 10% power consumption compared to the TDP of their GPUs, while AMD usually has quite lower power consumption than TDP on both CPUs and GPUs, since again AMD rates the absolute maximum TDP their hardware can handle.
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  72. Matt Pask no problem :)
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  73. susmit agrawal 1440p maxed out or ultra with no AA.
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  74. susmit agrawal No need it has 48AMPs ont he +12V rail, which is more than enough for your configuration.
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  75. susmit agrawal no problem. :)
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  76. shotgunshawzy normal? NO, the r9 390 MSI shouldn't go over 70-72C on FULL load, and should stay at 35C on idle.
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  77. ๖ۣۜGhost™ * Gaming * it's an amazing card, why not?
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  78. shotgunshawzy the idles of a msi r9 390 shpuld be ~35C. Check it out on some reviews or even this video, I think has temperatures.
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  79. shotgunshawzy send it back for a new one and it should be fine, if not then you've got air-flow problems in your case. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_390x_gaming_8g_oc_review,9.html this is the same cooler on a r9 390X, it's physically the same chip, but with 256 more cores enabled and it runs slightly hotter. You can see the idle temps for yourself.
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