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AMD came back because intel had already fallen, there just was no competition. But as long as the governments back intel up, they'll comeback.
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@AnotherPointOfView944 AMD had to sell their manufacturing or they would have gone bankrupt.
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@dhavalchheda1626 yes, but intel was doing 5-10% IPC improvements every 2 generations(tic-toc) from 2010 to 2021.
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@SultanOfAwesome intel was already complacent.
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@RipjawX3 Intel literally has 70%+ of the server, desktop and laptop market, AMD back then had 1-2% server, 8-10% desktop and 4-5% laptop market.
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@harryshuman9637 If intel kept having 25%+ improvement gen over gen after sandy bridge, AMD wouldn't be able to catch up ever. Instead they had 0-10%.
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Because electric cars are a new industry, they are less mechanically complex, much cheaper, except for the battery and they are filled with computers and have a high potential for giant profits, while phone companies have money to burn.
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@dollymix5 AMD was about to go bankrupt in 2017 if Zen didn't sell well. Also Intel have such high costs because as the video said they went all out on parallel R&D and production of multiple generations of technology at the same time.
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@MommysGoodPuppy Nvidia has had more bugs with their drivers than AMD in the past 2-2.5 years.
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I hope there is competition and laws finally force intel and AMD to let other companies license x86-64 from them for even better competition. We are over a decade behind in performance for desktop chips thanks to the duopoly that is AMD and intel.
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@kevinpaulus4483 Intel was improving 0-10% per generation back in the day and their process nodes were already faltering by 2014. They were declining, they just had no competition.
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@PaulsTechSpace In the short term it will be bad, but in the long term we will have glorious competition as x86 will no longer locked and other architectures like Risc-V are arising.
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@fauxhound5061 Yup my comment with links got deleted. Tesla Model 3's battery costs 13500$, which's over one third of the price of the vehicle. Just google it.
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@cossale Let's hope so and let's hope Nvidia fails to acquire them, otherwise, it might be Apple and Nvidia CPUs only, not much different than what it is now with AMD and Intel, though AMD has an ARM license, you know Nvidia are just dicks and might void it...
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@kevinpaulus4483 On the manufacturing side, they just invested in the wrong R&D and it didn't pay off. EUV was the way and they thought it wasn't. On the architecture design side, they just didn't need to. ARM chips were miles behind them until 2020 and AMD had their own troubles.
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@johnsonburgundypants They brought Jim Keller(athlon/zen/apple architect), but due to higher-ups with big egos he left, and his contribution was the tiles and the cancelled Royal Core.
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@DarkAttack14 The fx 9590 was slower than the 6 core i7 4930k, but it was much cheaper, also an overclocked i7 4790k beat the fx 9590. But again AMD was 1/3rd the price for both CPU and motherboard, which made them worth it. The FX 6300 was 90$ the motherboard for it was 45-50$. Intel's i5 was 240$ and the motherboard for it was 80-100$.
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@ErnolDawnbringer They have conformed to EUV and NA EUV and bought the cutting edge ASML machines, so yeah.
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@boccobadz Until 2014-2015 AMD was ahead of Nvidia in terms of both Software and Hardware.
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@cameronbosch1213 ATi had bad drivers for 2 years and that stuck with their reputation and translated to AMD's forever after... AMD had slow and crashy, but not bad, drivers in 2011-2012 when introducing GCN and 2019 when they introduced RDNA, which makes sense as they introduced brand new architectures. Nvidia had slow and buggy drivers with the introduction of Fermi and Turing, which again is normal as they changed the architecture. But Nvidia has also killed their GPUs with drivers multiple times over the years, AMD hasn't.
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@PKperformanceEU where is the performant ARM CPU again? Also I'm for Risc-V, not for x86.
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@boggs2005 Risc-V is the most customer friendly outcome. ARM is a poor outcome for the customer.
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@iokwong1871 The 2400G is Zen1. And I had Zen1 for 7 years with 0 problems as long as the ram was 2666Mhz or lower. My PC also worked almost non-stop and hosted servers, IDEs, tons of DRMs and chat programs and gamed at the same time. The 3400G is Zen+ not zen2, go look at the 3600(X) vs 9600k from 2023-24 benchmarks.
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So these are the flip phones of smartphones, eh not interested XD
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@bri1085 electric motors are cheaper than ICEs, they have no gearbox. The same suspensions and computers, similar chassis. The battery is still the most expensive part of electric vehicles.
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@bri1085 still electric engines are super cheap compared to ices, much, much cheaper. They are about 10-15% of the cost of ICEs.
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@fauxhound5061 Youtube deletes comments with links, so if you don't see a second comment it means it has deleted my reply with links in it.
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@lordanonimmo7699 They are more expensive due to the batteries. And of course they are more expensive than a phone.
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Graphine batteries it is.
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@nenadcaric5195 True, but saying that intel has no revenue isn't true, they have a ton more than AMD has ever had.
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@iokwong1871 Lunar is amazing, the new Xeons are competitive, Arrow Lake needs fixing, but even if it doesn't get fixed it's a step in the right direction and it should get better from there.
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@ec188 I'm incline not to believe you based on your poor grammar.
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@oceyho that's what everyone said 10 years ago when Intel was still the leading foundry. Given enough effort, time, money and highly qualified people they will succeed. The question is if they have those and will they run out of money and support.
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@PKperformanceEU ARM just axed Qualcomm... long live Risc-V.
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@PKperformanceEU ARM was crap for decades, so was x86...
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@PKperformanceEU Ah yes, the M4 Max that is a monolith at 430mm^2.... Excellent comparison to AMD's 140mm^2 die size CPU that is modular...
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@lubumbashi6666 Intel has started trimming x86 from legacy instructions and are in the process of adding new ones.
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@PKperformanceEU And you think that nobody can make a faster ISA than ARM v9?
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@PKperformanceEU For now. Though considering Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Microsoft are super supportive of ARM perhaps in the future as well, even though Qualcomm lost their ARM license iirc... still the 3 biggest companies in the world supporting it is quite the thing.
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@iokwong1871 All Zen generations were great. I don't see why people said they were worse, when from Zen1 they were better in productivity and only 10-15% behind in gaming.
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@iokwong1871 Windows 11 is for Ryzen 2000 and up. And Zen1 had no problems if you didn't push RAM clock speeds too high. And gave you a 6 core for 200$ while intel was still selling a 4 core at 350$, that was much faster in productivity and only 5-15% behind with an rtx 2080 Ti at 1080p in games. if you look at throwback benchmarks Zen2 beats the 9th gen intel equivalents, especially the 3600(X) vs 9600k. The only kinda pointless one was Zen1+ which was the Ryzen 2000 series.
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@iokwong1871 I had a Zen1 for 5 years, 0 problems on a b350 board on top of that, not even the best chipset. It was only a problem if you tried to run RAM at above 2666Mhz. And the 3400G is Zen+, not Zen2... 3600(X) vs 9600k and see that in 2024 the 3600(x) is faster, back in the day it was on par.
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@iokwong1871 It seems I can't reply to you without my comment getting deleted... 2400G is Zen1, 3400G is Zen1+. 3600(X) is Zen2
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@GSP-76 my point was that Intel still has a big revenue source.
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@GSP-76 They already laid off a ton of people. Zen1 was developed from late 2012 to late 2016.
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@friendlyskiespodcast AMD had such a superior architecture from 2007-2015 that their mid-range GPUs had as much or close to the performance of Nvidia's high-end. AMD's GPUs from 2007 to 2015 were cheaper not because they had low margins or were trying to be the budget brand, but because their GPUs were quite literally cheaper to manufacture due to having a smaller die size. People still bought Nvidia though.
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@KSunMMA They don't have Jim Keller, that's the bigger problem. They had him, screwed him over and wasted their chance.
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@miljororforsprakpartiet290 Sony Ericsson is dead, Sony has phones though.
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@miljororforsprakpartiet290 No, the cores are getting smaller and smaller die size-wise every generation so that they can pump more cores for servers and increase margins on desktop... x86 has reached its limit when a 216mm^2 quad core on 3nm is barely faster than the i5 2500k/2700k on 32nm. Nowadays 8 Zen5 cores are 71mm^2 with massive caches mind you, while in the past 4 Sandy Bridge cores were 216mm^2, meaning that even with the massive caches they are still 6 times smaller per core... What x86 has hit is a base low power limit, meaning it's performance per watt is too low because it has too many legacy instructions. ARM cores on the other hand are becoming bigger and bigger die-size wise even on newer process nodes. ARM also removes legacy instructions every 3rd version of their ISA, while x86-64 still has instructions from the 80s and 90s. Intel have started pruning x86 and AMD will join in to do so as well, so that they can modernize x86.
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@gradystephenson3346 sure, but it doesn't mean intel will have no revenue, they still will have a ton.
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