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@ab5olut3zero95 once again, as I said before, conventional warfare is not possible between nuclear armed nations.
Ukraine and Georgia, much like Iraq back in the 1990s, are NOT nuclear armed, nor are they protected by treaty by another nuclear armed power.
In this case, yes, conventual warfare is still possible. If Ukraine had its nukes still, there would be no war, reguardless how many troops puts on the border. Once again, proving my point.
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@32452-hr the land portions of the pacific theater for sure was, especially in China. But that’s more of result of the less industrialized land forces fighting their.
One could argue the US side of that front was heavily mechanized if you include all the equipment and tactics the USMC and the army used in their campaigns
That said, the north western Europe, North Africa, and Eastern fronts were heavily mechanized affairs. Infantry we’re only really brought up enmass during urban engagements, or used to conduct rear-line raids. (Like paratroopers, partisans, Rangers, commandos ect)
Most of the major offensives and strategic movement were decided with the mechanized formations, air forces and the logistics abilities of the combatants, not their infantry.
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@cnlbenmc flukes really.
1) same as my previous comment. In the 6 day war, Yom-kuppur And Iran-Iraq war, neither sides had nuclear arms to deter open conflict between them. No fear of Mutually assured destruction, thus, conventional conflict is possible.
If Israel, Arab nations, Iraq or Iran had nuclear weapons at any point in those conflicts, war between them would basically be a small nuclear exchange for a few hours, before either anarchy ensued, or they were at the negotiation tables.
2) as for the Persian gulf war, I think the US really didn’t want to Irradiate the largest oil field in the world, and it gave the US a good opportunity to flex its military mussel and justify its massive military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about.
Honestly, a few small nukes would have down the same damage the air campaign dealt, though, it would have made Iraq suffer more in the long run.
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@rytiskurcinskas7179 your right.
First the javelins and NLAWS stopped the Russians assault on Kyiv and other major cities, and are still wrecking Russian tanks to this day.
Look no further then the feilds of burning armor at Vuladar this last winter.
Second, the M777 is still putting in work as a cheap guided munitions weapon system, that has proved its worth at Kharkiv, Kherson, Kupyansk and now around Bakmut .
HIAMRS is THE reason Kherson is back in Ukrainian hands, and why Russian artillery fire has decreased for months now.
StormShadow is making strikes in the Kertch bridge a possibility again, while F-16s gives Ukraines air forces a decent beyond visual range platform to deal with Russian air assets.
Now tell me. How many T-14s, Kinzals, Sarmats, and SU-57s have helped the Russians out so far?
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16:35 ok look, I’ve heard this argument many, many times. And it’s very flawed.
1) yes, on the map shown, it looks like much of the heartland is blood red conservative.
In actuality it’s more purple, as many of those areas also have the greater suburban and metropolitan areas of the major cities in them.
Never mind much if the land is made up of a highly diverse population of people. This ranges from whites, blacks (especially in the rural south), Hispanics, native Americans ect.
I highly doubt this group of people would really around solely the right wing of the political spectrum.
2) have you ever done the logistics of how one would “cut off and surround” a major city???
Like, you’d need easily 10s of thousands of militants just to blockade all the ways into one city . And even then, that’s just the land connections. How the hell do you think your going blockade a major port or a city with a big international airport?
You would need several counties worth of people to even attempt this wanna-be Maoist tactic. And as I stated in point 1, very few rural people are going to be on the same page, let along 10s of thousands of them.
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@nixles2577 so why did the Russians run away from Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Irpin, snake island, Kharkiv, Izyum, Kupyansk, Lymen, and Kherson, if all the Ukrainians are a bunch of conscripts that don’t even want to fight? 🧐
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@randomdude8202 this is not WW2 though, men and equipment (especially equipment) are far more expensive to replace and the public optics on such losses can cause serious consequences to each sides political and social environment.
I’d like to point out the US helped win world war 2 by, firstly, working ALONGSIDE its allies, making the greatest logisticaland industrial m system in military history, and using its massive air and sea power to grid down the german, Italians and Japanese war machines at home.
Nevermind the fact much of our equipment was more then a match to what the axis were fielding, especially our small arms, aircraft, ships, radar, sonar, radios, artillery, medicine and trucks.
Which is what we’re doing right now, giving Ukraine lend-lease, intelligence, and training and hurting the Russians politically and economically.
And you bet your ass we got rid of under-performing generals in the world war 2. A great example is Lloyd Fredendall, who completely botched the early North Africa campaign for us.
And this really didn’t have to be a life or death situation for Putin either. He can quite right now, and MAYBE we can go back to the status quo of pre-February 2022, though atm, thats a BIG “maybe”.
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@shyannur apparently not, because not only are they a year into this war with no end in sight, but the Ukrainians are only continuing to get better armed as time goes on.
You what is the best way to save BTGs from destruction? not invading another country . Instead, not only did they lose a 1/3 of the BTGs originally deployed, they lost most of the land they fight so hard to capture to start with.
At this point, when Mariupol is inevitably back in Ukrainian hands, im sure the Russian will say “it was a jester of good will” ,” we didn’t want to be I circled”, or better “we didn’t need THAT city anyway, even if we fought for 2 months to take it”.
Oh, and when my feed online is filled with “a tornado” aftermath, I’ll let you know. Because compared to HIMARS, the tornado hasn’t turned things around for the Russians yet.
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@Skooffy 1) cool story bro, but the Ukrainians working railroads, hospitals, factories, airfields, and depots tell a different story, even after 8 months of constant bombardment
2) im talking about the strikes on Russian bomber bases deep in Russia, Ukrainian drone and helicopter attacks on Belgorod throughout the war, the battle of snake island were the UAF played a key role, and yes, the constant attacks in Crimea that has scared the Black Sea fleet from leaving port.
3) again, the Russians a year later should be in Western Ukraine, not trying to still take donbass while surrending a city that’s supposed to be “Russian forever” like Kherson.
Hell, there shouldn’t be a Ukrainian airfoce left after a year of fighting. Ouch🤡
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@Laotzu.Goldbug you are the ignorant one here if you believe geopolitical issues are the real drivers of warfare.
By your logic, operation Unthinkable would have occurred because it was geopolitically favorable for the allies to prevent the Soviets from installing communist governments in Eastern Europe.
By your logic, the US should have invaded Cuba in 1962 because it’s geopolitically favorable to prevent soviet nukes from being deployed so close to US shores.
yet again, I have to point out the obvious flaws of your examples. If Kuwait had nuclear weapons, saddam would have never invaded the country, least he face nuclear retaliation.
If Saddam had nukes, the gulf war would not have occurred. Kuwait would be a Iraqi province because the US and its allies arent going to risk a nuclear war in the worlds most oil rich region.
At best, they would deploy there own nukes to the region, to deter more Iraqi expansion. Just like in Cold War Germany.
Of course, one side had no nukes, and it was the nuclear armed US who spearheaded the counter attack into Kuwait. It’s nuclear armed status preventing other great powers from intervening.
I have yet to be proven wrong, as we see with the current Russo-Ukrainian war. Russians nuclear Arsenal is preventing rival great powers from directly assisting Ukraine, and with out nukes of its own, Ukraine must fight a bloody convention battle against a super power.
Yet again, my point is valid.
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It does look like Gaza.
Mauripol, serverdonesk, Bakmut, Vuladar, Marinka, and now Avdiivka all look like wastelands after Russian “liberation”.
At least 1/4 of Kherson is under water after the Russians blew the dam there last summer too.
The only reason Odessa, Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kyiv, and the rest don’t look like wastelands, is the western supplied air defense making such a bombing campaign too expensive for Russia to pull off,
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@damagedmak how about 10 more himars, 20 more m777s, NASAM’s, ATACMS, more javelins, drones, M2 Bradley’s, Stykers, Bushmasters,……
Man, we still have at least a year worth of supplies left in the storage dumps. And that’s assuming we don’t just start making more soon.
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@devalapar7878 by that logic, who needs ovens, toasters, cars, cellphones, radios, internet infrastructure, pet food, sporting goods, alcohol, new clothes, paint, tools, or any other civilian goods. “There’s a war on” after all……
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@devalapar7878 you say that, but things like western music, jeans, cars, movies, and fast food were major contributors to the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.
Imagine being a Russian citizen that’s grown accustomed to this stuff, and now there about to lose it all because of the sanctions caused by this stupid war, or because Comrade Putin here shifted the whole country’s economy toward war production. Like it’s the 1940s again or some crap.
Because you know, it’s just too difficult for him and his army to just go home and forget this stupid war, right?
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@Skooffy 1) because Russia has to throw Increasingly large amounts of drones and missiles to break through Ukrainian air defenses now, and some do get through.
The damage of which is usually fixed in about a week or so.
2) hey, not my fault the ruskies can’t even protect there own borders from air attack🤷♂️. I thought Crimea was “Russian territoy”. We’re those s-400 and 500 Wunderwaffen they’re always going on about?
3) again, the Russian Airforce was no where to be seen when they got driven off from
Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, irpin, snake island, Kupyansk, Lymen, Izyum and Kherson.
If they actually controlled the skies, they would still be in those towns, as the Ukrainian counter offenses would have failed within a week.
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@StevenWJRichards no, the explanation is the Ukrainians mobilized too late at the start of the war, and didn’t have their army deployed to stop a 8 pronged attack across its entire border area with Russia and Belarus. Hence, why the Ukrainians were able to defend Kyiv, Kharkiv, and western donbass, but loss kherosn in the south, and most of zaporizhia oblasts.
Had the Ukrainians mobilized at least 2 weeks earlier, they would have held on to more.
If you also notice, the Russians have lost half of the terrain they took at the start of this war, and they continue to lose more month after month. Probably because the Ukrainians have at least 700,000 troops in their ranks now.
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@loganknezovich8394 and yet, we literally just saw the kremlin hit by 2 drones just this week, at least 2 oil refineries burning, Crimea being attacked semi regularly now by UAVs, the Russians still not having destroyed the Ukrainians Air-force or disrupt the UAF logistical chain further inside Ukraine.
All this has proven, is that Soviet made air defense systems are damn good at fighting Soviet made aircraft. Until NATO made aircraft are flown against Russian systems, im going to stand by my earlier statement.
Honestly, all this shows as well, is NATOs technological and numerical advantage in stealth aircraft and drones would lead to the complete destruction of Russias air defense network, especially along border regions like St. Petersburg, Kaliningrad, and Russian bases in Belarus, in relatively short order, should a war ever broke out between the two.
You claim Russia can’t be surrounded by NATOs Navies, yet the recent ascension of Finland into the alliance has effectively done just that. The Baltic Sea and black seas are now “NATO lakes” along with the Sea of Japan in the far east.
Nevermind all the new strike capabilities bases in Finland would give NATO strike aircraft (in particular, the incoming B-21 raider) against the Russian Northern fleets home port at Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, and Russia interior industrial regions.
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@gilangputra7514 that has to be the single dumbest thing I’ve heard. What’s the point of “military strength” if you have nothing to show for it in the end?
By that logic, Germany won the First World War , because its army and navy was still intact despite losing all the ground it fought for the begin with.
By that logic, Japan won WW2, because it’s military was still functioning (although barley) when the ceasefire was declared.
The point of taking terrain, especially in a defensive war like ukriane is fighting right now, is deny the enemy critical maneuver terrain (like bridges in the case of Kherson and Izyum), logistics hubs (like Lymen, Sumy, Kharkiv, Soon Kremenia) and to wear down the attacker until he goes home (as we’re seeing now with the Russians throwing more obsolete weapons and under-trained personnel into the war).
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@Floridarollin cool fan fic bro.
Now tell Me, why did Russia leave 9,000km of terrain, Sumy, Chernihiv, Izyum, Lymen, Kupyansk, Kharkiv, Snake island and Kherson if it’s causalities are so ridiculously low?
Hell, why arnt they in Kyiv again already, if apparently the Ukrainians have lost there entire pre-war army by now? 🤡
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@BrahmanofAryavart any yet, the Ukrainians still got over the first two
Lines of Russia little Maginot line rip off, and took robotyrne.
Avdiivka isn’t even 15 miles from Donetsk itself, and the Russians have been fighting their since 2022, and only now are staring to show any results.
after turning it into a unusable f&cking wasteland before hand
But ya, let’s also just ignore the ruskies losing at the gates of Kyiv, Irpin, Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, Kupyansk, Izyum, Lymen, Snake island, and Kherson too while we’re at it too right?
aT LeASt wE GoT 19 HoUSes CoMrAdEs 🤡
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Again, Ive been hearing about this mythical Ukrainian manpower shortage since serverdonesk last year, when every vatnik was claiming Ukraine was supposedly “on its last battalions” trying to hold the city for over 2 months.
And then the Ukrainians launched 2 successful counter attacks that took back half of Russia conquests not even 3 months later. defeated the Russian winter offensive at Vuladar, and fought the Russians down in the longest attritional battle since the battle of Vurdun at Bakmut for over 10 months.
And now here we are on Ukraines 3rd major offensive of the war, with the Ukrainians advancing in 3 separate prongs into Russian lines while also managing to hold a 10,000km frontline.
and as of this last month, are now holding back yet ANOTHER Russian offensive at Avdivika and Vuladar again, causing huge losses on the Russians in the just the last 2 weeks alone, while also still committing to their own offensive in the south and on the left bank of the Dnipro river.
But, somehow , the Vatniks still claim Ukraine is somehow out of manpower, despite their military now being 3x its originally size, and growing to close to a predicted million personnel by the end of this year.
But let me guess, you’ll be back here 3 months from now when the Ukrainians take back more land or defend against another Russian offensive and still say “Ukraine is out of manpower, it’s over, trust me bro” some
More right?
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@bakedinspiration will do buddy.
I mean, gee, Bakmut must be a super critical rail hub, road junction, bridgehead, power junction, port, airfield, fuel depot, and have plenty of Russian civilians still to welcome there occupiers in with flowers after such a long fight and high cost of resources for Russia too, right?
Right?🤡🤡🤡😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@truxton1000 yes, I do believe they are empty words. Especially after Kherson was liberated by Ukraine.
Kherson was officially “annexed” into Russia, and called “Russian forever” by Putin. If the Russians arnt willing to fight to last man, or use their over hyped nukes on Ukraine for “Russian land”, then I say Putin’s words are nothing but hot air.
And please, If the 200,000 strong invasion force couldn’t win the war at Kyiv, and take donbass, and the 300,000 mobilized conscripts couldn’t hold Kherson and Kharkiv oblast, then what’s this new wave of Russian conscripts going to do other then Feed HIMARS some more?
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@bigmoe9856 ok, but if those rubles cant purchase anything outside of Russia, what good is it as a trade medium?
Russia, despite what some of the Vatniks claim, is not self sufficient, and does need a steady import of goods to keep certain industries running. (I’m particular, advanced weapons manufacturing, it’s airline industry, ship building/maintenance, information technology industry ect).
China can help, but their going to want dollars for goods, not rubles. Because China, in turn, can’t use rubles anywhere else in the world.
Same applies with India, which is why Russia has billions of rupees it can’t do anything with now.
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@666Ekinox no. It is not.
Not since the days of Napoleon, when a nations army maybe numbered a hundred Thousand at the most ,has that been the point of war.
The point of modern war, is to seize critical land and destroy the enemy’s ability to make war, and to seize critical resources and infrastructure in the process.
What you are describing is the kind of Doctrine the US used in Vietnam, and lost with.
You cannot defeat an enemy, if your unable to prevent them from being resupplied (in the case of Vietnam, from the USSR and in Ukraine’s case, NATO), occupy his critical logistic infrastructure (in Vietnam’s case, the port of Hai Phong and the Ho Chi mhn trail, in Ukraines case Odessa, Lyiv , Kharkiv, and Kyiv) and center of leadership and control (Hanoi for Vietnam, Kyiv for Ukraine).
The US also dropped an ungodly amount of munitions of the Vietnamese for 10 years (more then all its munitions in WW2 combined in-fact), and destroyed the NVA several times over. And still lose in the end.
Russia is making the same mistake and Ukraine, and it will lose just the same.
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Well….it would be boring honestly.
The Russian and Chinese would probably keep maybe a brigade or two their between them, the whole time probably just sitting on there asses doing nothing.
And then of course the cost of base in question, especially so far from there home countries, would start making their politicians wonder if it’s worth it to have thousands of troops just sitting around doing expensive exercises and routine maintenance.
Finally, this base would probably be isolated very quickly in a hypothetical war, as, again, it’s on other side of the world from Russia and China, both of which don’t have very developed logistic infrastructure for long term foreign troop deployment.
And then of course there supply lines would have to cross 2 of the largest oceans on earth, to ports that could be blockaded by the largest navy on earth (The USN) and have to deal with the largest US military installations and domestically deployed US forces just north of the border.
Some come on in Russia and China! You want to waste your time and money, feel free. Get a taste of why America doesn’t have a universal healthcare system….
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@elscorpioperfecto3260 I see Texas being ungrateful for all the infrastructure, disaster relief, and all the subsidized military, consumer tech and oil field investments the rest of this country has given it, often at the detriment of other states development.
My state of Louisiana would kill for the same benefits texas gets. And personally, I’m abit pissed so many Texans have the gaul to suddenly want to go it their own, after everything they’ve gotten.
Your one of the top 10 wealthiest states in the union, and the only thing keeping the US from being a one party system. Literally, the key to the Republican Party’s having even a chance to win elections , and you friken cowboys are still unhappy???
Honestly, f@ck you secessionists!
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@tomk3732 artillery was NOT the deciding factor of WW1. Tanks, aircraft and the introduction of combined arms tactics was.
Artillery is a logistics heavy tool that, at best, can suppress an enemy unit or position. Artillery in its entire history has never completely destroyed an enemy unit, position or managed to hold any sort of terrain by its self.
The fact the Russians and their fan boys think artillery will somehow make up for the poor training, bad leadership, terrible communications and crippling corruption issues in their command structure, is absolutely laughable.
The Russians, if they were smart, should pack up and go home, before they see their country collapse again for the third time.
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@tomk3732 amazing. Not a single thing you said is right.
Artillery does not win wars. Even in WW1, artillery constantly failed to dislodge enemy forces dug in to a position, even when fired in the millions of rounds (as seen at the Somme, Vurdun, the 1916 spring offensive, and the 1918 “Kaiser battle”.)
It was the invention of the tank, and combined arms tactics pioneered by the Entente that finally broke the stalemate in 1918, not artillery.
Artillery, even years later in the Second World War, failed routinely to destroy or dislodge dug in opponents. Even with naval-sized gun fire support, As seen at places like Leningrad, Stalingrad, Omaha beach, monte casino, Okinawa, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, and many other places.
Artillery worked for Napoleon, because every army of that period still stood out in the open in tight formations like idiots, or hit behind large mid-evil fortress walls. Had napoleon fought against trenches, or a more dispersed, loosely formed enemy, he would have never won a single battle.
Artillery. Doesn’t. Win. Wars.
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@joshuabeckham2387 it most certainly is. And it’s a problem that the Russians have done now 3 times.
They tired this same stunt at Mariupol, and then had to abandon Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv and Kharkiv city in order to sustain the siege, and then focus on donbass.
They did it again at servedonesk, we’re they forced the Ukrainians to retreat, but spent too much of there manpower and supplies to capitalize on their success, while also having to give up Snake island, the blockade of Odessa and the Mykolaiv advance in the process.
They did it once again at Kherson, throwing what they had at the Ukrainians, only to lose all of Kharkiv oblast, Kupyansk, Izyum, and Lymen in the process, and still lost Kherson in the end to.
And now at Bakmut, like serverdonesk, even if they take the city, they’ve spent too much to actually exploit thier gain, and will inevitably lose land back to the Ukrainians on the other fronts they’ve ignored, probably in he south.
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Personally, I think both capitalism and Marxism are going to be obsolete in the face of the Specter of Automation and AI.
Think about it, in an increasing automated world, especially in the manufacturing sector, who needs workers?
I mean sure you need a few, but only the ones to make sure the automations are running smoothly. No large waged work force to create unions or fuss about any thing required.
On ther hand, I wonder what capitalism future is if Machine Learning and AI designed to litteraly create the very AI and machines to replace itself, become more common.
Capitalism requires entrepreneurship and competition to really work, something that has slowed as of late.
What if AI are more creative and better entrepreneurs then us Humans? What if they manufacture more goods at a more Efficient rate then any corporation can hope to compete with?
Maybe we need something new, not these old, outdated ideology’s of Capitalism and socialism.
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Meanwhile Kyiv, Hostemel, Irpin, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Kupyansk, Izyum, Odessa, Lymen, snake island, and Kherson are still Ukrainian…..
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@dickthehead1145 my brother in hell, if the Ukrainian army has been supposedly destroyed twice now, why isn’t the Russian military in Kyiv already ?
Hell, why isn’t Kherson, Kharkiv, Izyum, Kyiv, Lymen, and Kupyansk completely reduced to ruble now, if the Russians bring up all their artillery to ping the Ukrainians with?
Probably because artillery has never actually destroyed an enemy army by itself in any war in history.
Just ask the krauts at Vurdun if the millions of shells they fired got them anything in the end, compared to the French, who took there territory back in the end.
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@trevorcrook5753 because don’t see how the donbass would suddenly see a mass-collapse of the Ukrainian lines.
I mean, it was suppose to collapse in April after mauriopol fell, in may after Izumi fell, in June after Severdonesk, and then in July when slovyanks was the next target.
And that was when they had all this numerical artillery advantage, limited local air superiority, and a numerical troop advantage after retreating from Kyiv. Yet here we are.
Now that Himars has limited there artillery ammo supply, more western supplies of armor and artillery has arrived, and at least 10k Ukrainians are being trained per month in the west, I can see the Russians starting to losing ground in the south.
And a bloody stalemate in the east, as we’ve seen for the last 6 months.
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@HypnoticChronic1 and I’m tired of chicken sh!t chamberlain’s screeching “AmErIcA fIRsT”, who seem to be totally content on just appeasing the Russians with whatever they want, right up to we face the final ultimatum from then, right when it’s too late to stop their aggression.
Someone hasn’t studied history very well it seems, because you’d know isolationism didn’t do us any good, as we sat on the sidelines for years while the world burned around us back in the day.
And compared to Afghanistan, the Ukrainian war has been the biggest bang for our buck in decades. For 40 billion dollars:
+we get NATO becoming relevant again and actually starting to pay their fair share for our collective defense.
+we’re getting 2 new NATO members (Finland who has already joined, and soon Sweden), and get to turn the Baltic Sea into a “NATO lake” to starve Russia with.
+our arms industry will see a massive boost in sales, creating plenty of new jobs for our economy
+western energy independence from a long time adversary and the breaking off of the need to constantly get involved in the Middle East .
+we get to humiliate Putin and stop any further Russian aggression and get revenge on the Russians for Vietnam.
+we get plenty of awsome combat footage on the internet to dunk on Russia for decades to come.
+we get to be the “arsenal of democracy again” and try and rebuild our international reputation that our stupid war on terror destroyed.
But let me guess, none of this means anything to you, because you can’t stand the thought of us giving some left over junk over to the Ukrainians who actually are tying to fight for their county’s freedom and independence from a foreign invader, right?
I guess looking back at our own nation’s history and struggle for freedom means nothing to you too, huh?
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@Cook-e1d oh ya, sure.
Millions of tons of food, steel, oil, mechanical parts, a dozen whole factories, hundreds of locomotives and rolling stock, thousands of aircraft, tanks, trucks, and millions of pairs of uniforms and medical supplies.
But totally the Soviets didn’t rely on foreign support to keep fighting 🤣🤡
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Oh I don’t know, maybe the ones at Hostemel, Kyiv, Irpin, Sumy, Chernihiv, karkiv, snake island, Kupyansk, Izyum, Lymen, and Kherson…..and soon Belgorod….
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After this mess of war, the US would win, Most definitely. Without nukes, the Russians would be screwed.
The most Russian Air Force would be wiped out on the ground, the Russian Black Sea, pacific, and Baltic fleets rendered unusable, if not sunk in port out right, and the majority of Russian command and control and logistics would be neutralized with in a month of hostilities.
After that, Russian tank and artillery bridges would be hunted down and destroyed beneath American air superiority (though, I’d like think we’d just ask there conscript crews to just go home first)
I can see Vladivostok, Kaliningrad, and, possibly, St. Petersburg would be under US control in short order, (though we wouldn’t intend to keep them) and a peace deal reach not long after.
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@michaeljcross87 it’s been “over for Ukraine”Since Mariupol fell, yet Ukraine had taken back half of Russia conquests and 2 major oblast back since then.
If the original 200,000 personnel counted take Ukraine, and the last 300,000 mobilized personnel couldn’t hold Kherson, Izyum, Lymen, Kharkiv oblast, Kupyansk, Snake island, Sumy, or Chernihiv, then what’s another 200,000 hope to do now against the constantly resupplied Ukrainian military?
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Ukraine still has Odessa and access to the Black Sea, and their offensive is still ongoing.
Meanwhile, the Russians have lost Irpin, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Kupyansk, Izyum, Lymen, Snake island, Kherson and all the little towns and villages in between for the last 500+ days.
And at this rate, they’ll lose Crimea too.
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@reginalddoucet877 1) no, they don’t. This war is showing us Russia is not as strong as we thought it was.
If it was, they would be at the Polish border now, not running away from most of the ground they took back in spring.
As far as Russia’s “reserves” go, almost twice as many people left the country then were called up. And the ones that were mobilized, are getting sent in with 50-60 year old tanks and guns, and lack body armor. Don’t even get me started with them being told to ask their wives for thier tampons to make “medical supplies” for themselves.
2)I’m convinced about 20-30 American Submarines and American missile batteries could defend Taiwan against the Chinese invasion force.
They have shown to have severe lacking in anti-submarine tactics in their exercises, and sinking the majority of their transport fleet, (even if it means some US subs get sunk in the process), would end any invasion plans for Tiawan on the spot.
Logistics win wars, and amphibious attacks are a logistical nightmare to pull off.
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@realdaybreaker8013 so why hasn’t Russia reached Lyiv yet bud?
Looks like those “purpose driven” weapons are just Soviet Made Shit that can’t match the quality of Western weapons.
If they could, Russia would still be holding Kherson, Kharkiv, Izyum, Lymen, Snake island, Chernihiv, Sumy, and would be in Kyiv by now!
Oh, and somehow, Russia has “been preparing for this war for many years” but, simultaneously, “miscalculated the wests response to this war”?
Does double think coke stock standard for you Z-boys? 🥴
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@jacquesstrapp3219 US Sealift would not be disrupted by a hypothetical civil war, nor would most of its heavy air lift assets. And the that also doesn’t really take into account the logistical capabilities of our Allied countries as well.
And on the contrary. That amount of guns and experienced personnel will make the insurgents lives equally hell as well. Not many insurgents forced IRL have ever had to conduct a war in territory with literally THOUSANDS of competing ideological groups while also trying to fight a well organized and battle hardened conventional force.
They quite literally find every town that wasn’t theirs would have a rifle pointed out if every bush, tree, and window at them as they tried to compete for land and resources with other armed groups.
And a hypothetical US rebel force would have this issue literally EVERYWHERE that isn’t their home area. Just look at the “bush wacker” units or union loyalists in the south during the historical civil war.
And I find it hard to believe American citizens would see out Allies like the Canadians, Brit’s, French, Germans, Italians, Finn’s, pols, and the rest as “enemies” either, considering most of population are related to them in someway or another.
I also highly doubt they would be hostile to a force that’s trying to distribute humanitarian aid and protect them from radical rebel forces.
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@666Ekinox apparently not Russia.
Apparently Russia needs almost a million men and a year of constant fighting to crush an army 1:4 of its size🤷♂️
And man, for an army that has no tanks apparently, they sure had a lot of them March into Kherson and Kharkiv not even 4 months ago….
Infact the same men and tanks marched into Sumy, Chernihiv, Izyum, Kupyansk, Lymen, and seem to be about to March in to Kremenia as well…..
Funny that for an army that apparently is on its 8th mobilization isn’t it?
Odd that Russia, despite taking so few losses apparently, has to abandon 8,000+km of land, the gates of Kyiv and Kherson to “preserve the lives of there troops”, while also conscripting another 300,000 men, isn’t it?
Probably because the Russians have taken severe losses and the Z-boys can’t seem to cope with it other then writing fanfictions online 🤡
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@giawou6615 have you ever studied a map my guy?
If NATO forces moved from Finland, they’d be in St. Petersburg in an afternoon, and could threaten Russian submarine bases in Murmansk. That’s a HUGE problem for Russia, never mind the stationing of NATO ships and aircraft in Finland.
On top of that, if NATO can hit Moscow from Ukraine with missiles, they most definitely can do it from Finland.
Not that they would, mind you. Because this isn’t the 1960s and more, and if we really wanted to threaten Russia with missiles, we would simply station more Ohio class subs in the attic, B-52s in Japan, Alaska, South Korea, Norway, England or build missile silos in Alaska and Canada.
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@ahmedalsharman ok, so why was the Ukrainians military only 200,000 strong including reservists and why was it only using Soviet-originated equipment until 2022?
The only western supplies gear in the Ukrainian military prior to 2022 were some decommissioned Humvee’s and a tiny amount of small arms. You didn’t see any Western artillery, AFVs, drones, communications gear, or any thing remotely close to what the UAF has after the Russian invasion. Never mind the UAF is 3x the size it was now, then it was during those 8 years.
And even then, the UAF isn’t even close to NATO standardization or integration. For the simple fact, Ukraine is not a NATO member , and didn’t even have the ability to join until Russia invaded it last year.
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So let me get this straight, a “destruction” to you requires:
-the leadership of Russia, including Putin himself to look extremely weak, vulnerable and incompetent
-2 Russian cities occupied by a mercenary force
-at least a dozen helicopter pilots to be killed, as well as several Russian national guardsmen
-a major Russian highway, several bridges, and fuel silos to be Destroyed
-several military groups (Storm-z, 45 spetsnaz, 214th VDV regiment) swear support for the invading mercenaries over the government
-and another Russian puppet, Lukashenko, to come and negotiate with the invading mercenary army (that has now become only the third invader in history to reach Moscow by the way) to back off and for its leader to then move to Belarus….
All for a *Friken TROOP REDEPLOYMEN??*
*THAT* makes more sense to you then an attempted coup bud?
What the hell are you Vatniks Smoking?
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@didymussumydid9726 those places were industrialized. Places like Java, Singapore, costal China ect. The Japanese we’re planning on purposely holding back thier progress in order to make them totally dependent on Japan for support, while Japan reaped the resources for its self.
And you do realize the US went as far as Czechoslovakia because the Germans invaded it way back in 1938 right? And they had a good chunk of there industry built up in that occupied country.
The SS was also planning on waging a guerrilla from the Alps and the Czech mountains. Something us and the Soviets wanted to prevent.
It’s not like we planned on incorporating France, Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands, western Germany or Czechoslovakia into the United States. (Though, the Soviets did install plenty of puppet regimes in their occupied territories unfortunately).
Japan meanwhile, fully intended on annexing most of the pacific into its new empire.
Which, seeing how the western Europeans managed to do it with barely 1% of their population, Japan reasoned it could easily replace European imperialism with its own.
And it did. For awhile.
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@StevenWJRichards but at the same time, they also took Kherson, tried to take Kharkiv along with Kyiv, and took most of Zaporizhzhia oblast as well.
Just weeks before this war started, in early February, I thought their only real goal would be moving in and officially annexing only the Donbass region.
Which made logical sense, as who in their right mind thought the Russians would actually launch a full-on invasion of Ukraine before February 24th of this year?
It made sense because the people of the donbass, supposedly, are pro Russian. The same can’t be said for the rest of the country, Mariupol included.
Because if they were pro-Russian, Mariupol wouldn’t have held out and fought as hard as it did for 2 months completely surrounded by the Russians.
The fact they launched no less then a 8 pronged invasion of Ukraine and tried to scale as many cities as possible in the first couple months proves to me that the Russians fully intended from the start, to annex all of Ukraine. It was never about Donbass.
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Your not wrong.
Our guys haven’t gone into a war without night vision, body armor, sufficient fuel and ammo, spoiled rations, malfunctioning missiles, tanks, vehicle, sufficient supplies of GPS gear, precision munitions, secure comms ect…….
Mean while, all this has happened to the Russian military in Ukraine.
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@johnperic6860 bro, I think you just have issues.
The fact you accusing me of acting “like a women” for pointing out some obvious flaws in your logic is pathetic. Are you like this to women in real life when they get a bit to logical for you?
The fact you women “have a place” in society tells me a lot about your world view. You probably believe in old school gender roles don’t you?
Your argument of “technology can be abused” is honestly irrelevant. The same thing can be said for gun powder, splitting the Atom, electricity, powered flight, industrialization as a whole and countless of there inventions through out history,
All of these things are tools, and they can be used by anyone for anything. Sometimes it’s used for evil, but it’s been an overall positive progression.
Your argument against p*rn makes me roll my eyes. This is the same crap religious folks have been spewing since the 1800s and it’s getting pretty old.
What would have as an alternative? A bunch of sexually suppressed people in society? , never coming to terms with there thoughts and desires until it’s too late? A lot of relationships have come and gone because someone didn’t take the time to explore them selves before committing to something long term.
If your so worried about kids getting access to p*rn, maybe people ought to put passwords on there devices. Don’t blame society because you can’t take the time to lock your computers.
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@MFPWM2010 firstly, yes, zero useable experience. It’s one thing to grow up with firearms and be an professional hunter.
It’s another to have discipline under fire, know proper team tactics, communication, defensive works construction, camouflage techniques ect.
None of the civilian population, save for Vets, have this. Most “rural kids” wouldn’t last a fire fight.
And yes, I do believe the hypothetical insurgents could make explosives, but keep in mind, they are just as likely to cause civilian deaths as they are military/police deaths.
It’s frighting how many innocent people lose limbs to land mines and IEDS. Another factor that will turn the civilians against the insurgents.
Also, insurgents are far from “unstoppable”. The Warsaw uprising, the Malaysian insurgence, the IRA, South African bores, The Russian white army, the CSA, The UPLA, the forest brothers, the countless Colonial rebel movements, ECT. all of these forces have been defeated by conventional armies.
On the topic of the Russian White army, you why it was beaten? Because the communists controlled all the cities. Because, as it turns out, when you control a city, your also control all the Stuff in it.
Transportation networks, secure communication lines, major ports/airports, water purification, electricity production, manufacturing, oh, and let’s not forge, The massive populations to recruit from.
All this makes “the left” (as if it’s a unified group” all the advantages in this hypothetical scenario.
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@MFPWM2010 ya, and we’re are those “60 million” any how? Oh right, there going about there lives because they don’t want to lose what they have or lose love ones fighting the remaining 290 million other Americans who didn’t vote for the same Politician they did.
Also, I live on a different planet? You want to have a war that will, inevitably, destroy one of the greatest and most powerful nations on earth! And you think you can win!??
Your telling me “your side”, what ever the hell that is, can mobilize millions of ordinary people and field hundreds of thousands of cannon fodder? And somehow, with what ever it can get it’s hands on, defeat a over funded military with 60 plus years of experience.
Sir, what planet do you live on?
You need to really stop living your Red Dawn fantasy and actually stop and think about what this scenario would involve. Because the way I see it, “patriot” is hell of a strange way to spell “traitor”
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@dakotadurham4788 1) ya I use If a lot. Because a republics success is dependent on the people who live in it. WE THE PEOPLE have to make the change. Its not impossible, divided as we are, it’s just challenging.
Like I said, start at the bottom with local elections, and then move the better candidates along to the top.
Yes this will take time, but the alternative is a all powerful tyrant that can do what he wishes, with no checks and balances.
2) yes, most people through out American history id consider to be religious radicals. And so would the founding fathers, who them selves, were spiritualists deists.
We’re suppose to be a secular republic, always have been. We unfortunately have had way too much religious influence on our society for centuries. We need a hard device between church and state in this country once again.
(Personally, I’d prefer a atheist America, but what would never happen. That’s the plus of republic after all, no one person can determine how a country is ran)
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