Comments by "PNH 6000" (@PNH-sf4jz) on "THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING: Ukraine APPROACHES from UNEXPECTED PLACES. Russian DEFENSES FULLY EXPOSED" video.
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What an incredible mash up of statistics and sources. The last paragraph of this note paints a totally different picture from that which is presented by #dennis.s.4814 , who conveniently forgot to add the second part of the paragraph referring to a reduction of the area occupied by the Russians from 161,000 km2 to 86,557 km2 and, an area that is continuing to dininish.The area liberated by Ukrainians of 74,443 km2 with the retreats, withdrawals and routs of Russian forces from Kyiv, Sumy, Kharkiv and Kherson. 161,000 - 74,443 = 86,557 km2 , remaining to be liberated by Ukraine.
Try comparing apples with apples and oranges with oranges next time, #dennis.s.4814 . {And also "get the seasons for picking the fruit correct as well."}
A classic application of the "Fire-hose of Falsehood" as described at the following website:
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html
Lies, damned lies, and statistics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of statistics to bolster weak arguments, "one of the best, and best-known" critiques of applied statistics. It is also sometimes colloquially used to {cast} doubt {on} statistics used to prove an opponent's point of view.
"Russian forces continued limited offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line on September 1 but made no confirmed advances."
To put the statistics presented by #dennis.s.4814 , into perspective, according to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine which he uses as a source.
"Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory.
"By 11 November 2022, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian occupation, leaving Russia with control of about 18% of Ukraine's territory.
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@johnshite4656
🇷🇺Russia & 🇺🇦Ukraine Hardware Losses 24 February 2022 to 7 September 2023
🇷🇺Total - 12004, of which: destroyed: 8206, damaged: 479, abandoned: 446, captured: 2873
🇺🇦Total - 4375, of which: destroyed: 2946, damaged: 334, abandoned: 149, captured: 946
🇷🇺Tanks - 2290, of which destroyed: 1482, damaged: 129, abandoned: 132, captured: 549
🇺🇦Tanks - 642, of which destroyed: 415, damaged: 53, abandoned: 31, captured: 143
🇷🇺Command Posts And Communications Stations (250, of which destroyed: 163, damaged: 2, abandoned: 2, captured: 83)
🇺🇦Command Posts And Communications Stations (16, of which destroyed: 12, captured: 4)
🇷🇺Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (340, of which destroyed: 168, damaged: 9, abandoned: 38, captured: 125)
🇺🇦Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (79, of which destroyed: 42, damaged: 8, abandoned: 4, captured: 25)
🇷🇺Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Missile Systems (41, of which destroyed: 17, damaged: 1, abandoned: 4, captured: 19)
🇺🇦Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Missile Systems (21, of which destroyed: 8, abandoned: 1, captured: 12)
🇷🇺Artillery Support Vehicles And Equipment (107, of which destroyed: 53, abandoned: 2, captured: 52)
🇺🇦Artillery Support Vehicles And Equipment (23, of which destroyed: 10, captured: 13)
🇷🇺Towed Artillery (296, of which destroyed: 169, damaged: 26, abandoned: 5, captured: 96)
🇺🇦Towed Artillery (157, of which destroyed: 87, damaged: 50, abandoned: 2, captured: 18)
🇷🇺Self-Propelled Artillery (512, of which destroyed: 368, damaged: 30, abandoned: 7, captured: 107)
🇺🇦Self-Propelled Artillery (213, of which destroyed: 143, damaged: 47, captured: 23)
🇷🇺Multiple Rocket Launchers (262, of which destroyed: 192, damaged: 16, abandoned: 2, captured: 52)
🇺🇦Multiple Rocket Launchers (50, of which destroyed: 32, damaged: 9, captured: 9)
🇷🇺Anti-Aircraft Guns (17, of which destroyed: 3, captured: 14)
🇺🇦Anti-Aircraft Guns (4, of which captured: 4)
🇷🇺Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (25, of which destroyed: 14, damaged: 1, abandoned: 2, captured: 8)
🇺🇦Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (6, of which destroyed: 2, damaged: 1, captured: 3)
🇷🇺Radars (45, of which destroyed: 29, damaged: 4, captured: 9)
🇺🇦Radars And Communications Equipment (75, of which destroyed: 57, damaged: 7, abandoned: 1 captured: 11)
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@harrymoyes5069
From a web-search of "ORYX hardware losses in Ukraine"
🇷🇺Russia & 🇺🇦Ukraine Hardware Losses 24 February 2022 to 7 September 2023
🇷🇺Total - 12004, of which: destroyed: 8206, damaged: 479, abandoned: 446, captured: 2873
🇺🇦Total - 4375, of which: destroyed: 2946, damaged: 334, abandoned: 149, captured: 946
🇷🇺Tanks - 2290, of which destroyed: 1482, damaged: 129, abandoned: 132, captured: 549
🇺🇦Tanks - 642, of which destroyed: 415, damaged: 53, abandoned: 31, captured: 143
🇷🇺Command Posts And Communications Stations (250, of which destroyed: 163, damaged: 2, abandoned: 2, captured: 83)
🇺🇦Command Posts And Communications Stations (16, of which destroyed: 12, captured: 4)
🇷🇺Radars (45, of which destroyed: 29, damaged: 4, captured: 9)
🇺🇦Radars And Communications Equipment (75, of which destroyed: 57, damaged: 7, abandoned: 1 captured: 11)
🇷🇺Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (340, of which destroyed: 168, damaged: 9, abandoned: 38, captured: 125)
🇺🇦Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (79, of which destroyed: 42, damaged: 8, abandoned: 4, captured: 25)
🇷🇺Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Missile Systems (41, of which destroyed: 17, damaged: 1, abandoned: 4, captured: 19)
🇺🇦Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Missile Systems (21, of which destroyed: 8, abandoned: 1, captured: 12)
🇷🇺Artillery Support Vehicles And Equipment (107, of which destroyed: 53, abandoned: 2, captured: 52)
🇺🇦Artillery Support Vehicles And Equipment (23, of which destroyed: 10, captured: 13)
🇷🇺Towed Artillery (296, of which destroyed: 169, damaged: 26, abandoned: 5, captured: 96)
🇺🇦Towed Artillery (157, of which destroyed: 87, damaged: 50, abandoned: 2, captured: 18)
🇷🇺Self-Propelled Artillery (512, of which destroyed: 368, damaged: 30, abandoned: 7, captured: 107)
🇺🇦Self-Propelled Artillery (213, of which destroyed: 143, damaged: 47, captured: 23)
🇷🇺Multiple Rocket Launchers (262, of which destroyed: 192, damaged: 16, abandoned: 2, captured: 52)
🇺🇦Multiple Rocket Launchers (50, of which destroyed: 32, damaged: 9, captured: 9)
🇷🇺Anti-Aircraft Guns (17, of which destroyed: 3, captured: 14)
🇺🇦Anti-Aircraft Guns (4, of which captured: 4)
🇷🇺Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (25, of which destroyed: 14, damaged: 1, abandoned: 2, captured: 8)
🇺🇦Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (6, of which destroyed: 2, damaged: 1, captured: 3)
🇷🇺Radars (45, of which destroyed: 29, damaged: 4, captured: 9)
🇺🇦Radars And Communications Equipment (75, of which destroyed: 57, damaged: 7, abandoned: 1 captured: 11)
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