Comments by "PNH 6000" (@PNH-sf4jz) on "Zaluzhnyi BREAKS SILENCE AFTER IL-76 CRASH. Russian "GIFT" TO UKRAINE. Z-Army PLAN TO ATTACK NATO" video.
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Anyone using the word "facts" or, even more so the word "FACTS" at the end of their statement is usually a Russian/pro-Russian shill, troll, sympathiser and supporter, speking the russian language of "Vranyo" or even "lozh".
Australian Institute of International Affairs
"Do the Russian people, restricted from the global internet, really trust state media? This is a question we may be able to answer with a proper understanding of the Russian concept of vranyo."
"The Russian Federation initiated its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. By early March, the Russian people had become cut off from the global internet. This was just one part of Vladimir Putin’s effort to return Russia to the days of the USSR, when the only news outlets available were The Truth (Pravda) and The News (Izvestia). Russians over 50 will recall the joke that of these two choices there was no news in The Truth and no truth in The News. Even at the height of Soviet power, the people could still think for themselves. So, what do Russians believe today?"
What is Vranyo?
"Vranyo plays an important role in defining the relationship between the Russian people and their state. The best way to understand vranyo is to contrast it with another Russian term, lozh. Both lozh and vranyo translate as “falsehood,” but there is a meaningful distinction. Lozh is a genuine lie: one party says something recognisably false while expecting to be believed. Vranyo, by contrast, describes a story told that both sides know is untrue but nonetheless is responded to as if it were the truth. In Part Four of Dostoyevsky’s The Idiot, General Ardalyon Ivolgin spins Prince Lev Nikolayevich Myshkin a tale claiming to have convinced Napoleon to retreat from Moscow. Myshkin knows the story is false and Ivolgin is likely aware of this fact, yet Ivolgin tells it with a straight face and Mishkin smiles and plays along."
"Unlike lozh, vranyo is a two-way street. The vrun (liar) does not expect to be believed, just listened to respectfully. Does Ivolgin himself believe what he’s saying? Yes and no. Though the vrun may initially be aware that their vranyo is a falsehood, they can become convinced by their own lie mid-tirade, a phenomenon Russian scholar Ronald Hingley labels as the “take off.”
"Perplexed by the universality of vranyo in Russian society, Dostoyevsky suggests in his 1873 essay Something about Lying that Russians are “afraid of the truth.” Truth can be “insufficiently poetic,” or “too banal,” while fiction is “fantastic and utopian.” Through vranyo, both the vrun and the victim replace truth with fiction. Dostoyevsky also lamented that “wholesale Russian lying suggests that we are all ashamed of ourselves.” The vranyo game can allow the players to throw off this sense of shame. Life becomes better when everybody agrees to replace an unhappy reality with a more agreeable one."
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@hedda2022 Thank you very much for your reply and request for further information from the so-called #Mr_Funnyman273 , -who- that claims. according to a later comment that he is Russian,
about the crew and any "passengers" aboard the IL-76. I would say that it is far more likely to be a case of one oif the following styles of speech in Russia, "Vranyo" or "Lozh".
-- { #Mr_Funnyman273 37 minutes ago Как россиянину читая подобную хуйню мне очень жаль что это не правда.= As a Russian, reading such crap, I’m very sorry that it’s not true} --
-- { #Mr_Funnyman273 55 seconds ago @johnyblazer8597 Funniest part about it that russia can make rockets out of washing machines, but the ukro-cattle can't.} --
Lies, damned lies and Russian "vranyo" and "lozh".
"One of the defining features of Russian propaganda over the past few years has been the endless stream of lies it spews out. These often take the form of “doublespeak”, a term derived from George Orwell’s novel 1984, which distorts or reverses the meaning of words. Thus Russia blames Ukraine for every massacre of its own civilians and even the British for its other war crimes."
"We observe this daily on social media in tweets from official Russian channels, whether from its local embassies, UN representatives or government officials. A simple example is the use of the following phrase in a recent tweet dated 18 April: “West shows total intolerance towards alternative views”. A breathtaking twisting of reality, when as we know Russia has closed down all independent thought. Indeed, one reads it and wonders for which audience it is designed – Russia’s dwindling cohort of aficionados, apologists and appeasers?
What is Vranyo?
"Vranyo plays an important role in defining the relationship between the Russian people and their state. The best way to understand vranyo is to contrast it with another Russian term, lozh. Both lozh and vranyo translate as “falsehood,” but there is a meaningful distinction. Lozh is a genuine lie: one party says something recognisably false while expecting to be believed. Vranyo, by contrast, describes a story told that both sides know is untrue but nonetheless is responded to as if it were the truth. In Part Four of Dostoyevsky’s The Idiot, General Ardalyon Ivolgin spins Prince Lev Nikolayevich Myshkin a tale claiming to have convinced Napoleon to retreat from Moscow. Myshkin knows the story is false and Ivolgin is likely aware of this fact, yet Ivolgin tells it with a straight face and Mishkin smiles and plays along."
"Unlike lozh, vranyo is a two-way street. The vrun (liar) does not expect to be believed, just listened to respectfully. Does Ivolgin himself believe what he’s saying? Yes and no. Though the vrun may initially be aware that their vranyo is a falsehood, they can become convinced by their own lie mid-tirade, a phenomenon Russian scholar Ronald Hingley labels as the “take off.”
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@Mr.Funnyman273
RFE/RL Schemes project identifies crew members’ names of crashed IL-76, confirms 3 deaths
"Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty's investigation project Schemes identified the names of the crew members of the Russian Il-76 transport plane that crashed in Russia's Belgorod Oblast on Jan. 24 that was allegedly carrying Ukrainian prisoners of war.
"The Russian Defense Ministry claimed earlier on Jan. 24 that 65 Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) were aboard the plane on its way for a prisoner exchange, as well as six crew members and three accompanying people. Ukraine has not confirmed whether Ukrainian POWs were on the plane.
"Schemes journalists said they had obtained a list of the six-person crew that was supposed to accompany the flight. It included 36-year-old commander Stanislav Bezzubikin, 38-year-old flight engineer Andrey Piluyev, and the ship's navigator Alexei Vysokin.
"According to Schemes, the deaths of Bezzubkin and Piluyev were confirmed by their wives, while Vysokin's death was confirmed to journalists by his cousin.
"Schemes journalists also identified flight radioman Igor Sablinsky as a member of the IL-76 crew.
"In addition, an airborne equipment flight engineer, Serhiy Zhitenyov, was listed as one of the crew members, but it has not yet been possible to confirm his death, Schemes reported.
"According to leaks from Russian databases, all five crew members serve in the 117th Military Transport Aviation Regiment, which maintains military vehicles that transport special cargo for the material support of the Russian army, Schemes journalists said.
"In March 2022, Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR) included their names in a list of soldiers of this regiment "who deliver weapons and ammunition to kill Ukrainian civilians."
"Following the crash on Jan. 24, Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne analyzed a list that Russian propagandist Margarita Simonyan shared with the names of the Ukrainian POWs allegedly killed in the crash, confirming that the list of names are in fact Ukrainian soldiers currently held by Russia.
"Suspilne could not confirm, however, that those on the list were actually on the plane when it crashed, nor that they were potentially part of a prisoner exchange.
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@hedda2022
The Moscow Times {Part of their report}
What Do We Know About the Il-76 Crash in Belgorod?
Kyiv’s reaction
"Ukraine’s military has not taken responsibility for the disaster, but neither has it denied Moscow’s claims.
"In a press release published several hours after the crash, Ukraine’s General Staff said it would “take all measures to protect Ukraine and Ukrainians,” including targeting Russian military planes that it believes are used to transport missiles.
"Ukrainian military intelligence spokesperson Andrii Yusov told the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) news outlet that a prisoner swap was planned for Wednesday, but he could not confirm whether any Ukrainian prisoners were on board the Il-76 aircraft at the time of the crash.
"I can state that the exchange planned for today is currently not taking place," Yusov told RFE/RL.
"Ukraine also said it had no "reliable information" about who was on board the plane.
"We currently do not have reliable or comprehensive information on who was on board the plane or in what number," Ukraine's main intelligence directorate said in a statement.
"Without commenting on whether Ukrainian prisoners of war were on board, the intelligence agency accused Moscow of endangering the lives of its captured soldiers.
"Ukraine was not informed about the number of vehicles, routes and forms of delivery of prisoners," it said.
"It is known that prisoners are delivered by air, rail and road. This may indicate deliberate actions by Russia aimed at endangering the lives and safety of prisoners."
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia was "playing with the lives of Ukrainian prisoners."
"It is obvious that the Russians are playing with the lives of Ukrainian prisoners, with the feelings of their relatives and with the emotions of our society," Zelensky said in an evening address in which he did not confirm or deny Russia's claims but called for an international investigation into what brought down the plane.
International reaction
"The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) declined to comment on the incident, saying that it "is monitoring" the news.
"The Pentagon told the Russian state-run RIA Novosti news agency that it could not comment on the crash, adding that it "has no access to the information" regarding prisoner swaps between Russia and Ukraine.
What analysts are saying
"The independent Russian news outlet iStories, citing Ukrainian open-source investigators, claimed the Il-76 had flown over Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Red Sea and Iran before disappearing from radars, only to later reappear over Russia's Belgorod region.
"It was not immediately possible to verify that report.
"Western military analysts told the BBC’s Russian service that video of Wednesday’s crash indicated the Il-76 aircraft was shot down."
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@hedda2022
It is interesting that our "Funnyman" states with regard to the pilot that "The pilot graduated from the Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School (KVVAUL). He served in Syria, ...." which means that he was possibly among Russian pilots bombing hospitals in Syria under the direction of Sergei Surovikin, infamously known as General Armageddon. Surovikin's Wikipedia site give some insight into the reasons for his infamy.
Regarding the pilot and crew of the plane, the following information is available:
"Journalists said they had obtained a list of the six-person crew that was supposed to accompany the flight. It included 36-year-old commander Stanislav Bezzubikin, 38-year-old flight engineer Andrey Piluyev, and the ship's navigator Alexei Vysokin."
"The deaths of Bezzubkin and Piluyev were confirmed by their wives, while Vysokin's death was confirmed to journalists by his cousin."
"Journalists also identified flight radioman Igor Sablinsky as a member of the IL-76 crew."
"In addition, an airborne equipment flight engineer, Serhiy Zhitenyov, was listed as one of the crew members, but it has not yet been possible to confirm his death."
"According to leaks from Russian databases, all five crew members serve in the 117th Military Transport Aviation Regiment, which maintains military vehicles that transport special cargo for the material support of the Russian army."
"In March 2022, Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR) included their names in a list of soldiers of this regiment "who deliver weapons and ammunition to kill Ukrainian civilians."
Another Russian with a similar background and, I would think, of equal infamy is "The Butcher of Syria" Alexandr Dvornikov.
Wikipedia's brief description of him is:
"Aleksandr Vladimirovich Dvornikov is a Russian army general who commanded the Russian military intervention in Syria and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. {Also history in Chechnya} After joining the Soviet Army in 1978, Dvornikov rose through the ranks of the Soviet and then Russian army over a period of thirty years. Wikipedia"
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@hedda2022
It is interesting that our "Funnyman" states with regard to the pilot that "The pilot graduated from the Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School (KVVAUL). He served in Syria, ...." which means that he was possibly among Russian pilots bombing hospitals in Syria under the direction of Sergei Surovikin, infamously known as General Armageddon. Surovikin's Wikipedia site give some insight into the reasons for his infamy.
Regarding the pilot and crew of the plane, the following information is available:
"Journalists said they had obtained a list of the six-person crew that was supposed to accompany the flight. It included 36-year-old commander Stanislav Bezzubikin, 38-year-old flight engineer Andrey Piluyev, and the ship's navigator Alexei Vysokin."
"The deaths of Bezzubkin and Piluyev were confirmed by their wives, while Vysokin's death was confirmed to journalists by his cousin."
"Journalists also identified flight radioman Igor Sablinsky as a member of the IL-76 crew."
"In addition, an airborne equipment flight engineer, Serhiy Zhitenyov, was listed as one of the crew members, but it has not yet been possible to confirm his death."
"According to leaks from Russian databases, all five crew members serve in the 117th Military Transport Aviation Regiment, which maintains military vehicles that transport special cargo for the material support of the Russian army."
"In March 2022, Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR) included their names in a list of soldiers of this regiment "who deliver weapons and ammunition to kill Ukrainian civilians."
Another Russian with a similar background and, I would think, of equal infamy is "The Butcher of Syria" Alexandr Dvornikov. Wikipedia's brief description of him is:
"Aleksandr Vladimirovich Dvornikov is a Russian army general who commanded the Russian military intervention in Syria and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. {Also history in Chechnya} After joining the Soviet Army in 1978, Dvornikov rose through the ranks of the Soviet and then Russian army over a period of thirty years. Wikipedia"
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