Comments by "PNH 6000" (@PNH-sf4jz) on "The winter war in Ukraine" video.
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@karjalanvenalainen8552
The following text, that I composed and to which I have added a number of videos, will give you an idea of what my thoughts are about propaganda and the various people who present propaganda and the purposes for which propaganda is used. Advertising is a form of propaganda. So propaganda can be positive, benign or malevolent in intention.
How do we assess what is propaganda and what is truth or if there is any difference between the two. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, propaganda means:
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause also : a public action having such an effect
The Oxford Languages dictionary states that propaganda means:
: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.
"sheryn lehndorf" begins their { his or her } comment with an insult "(this "jerk")", presumably to give weight to what comes next:
"sheryn lehndorf this ''jerk'' is just a ukraine govt ''propaganist''' you want the ''truth'' read these article from these usa commentators on ''YOUTUBE''....READ THE ''REAL'' TRUTH''...from...Col McGREGOR...... ''Scott Ritter''....and the forum... ''REDACTED . INC ON ''YOUTUBE''.HERE...honest, truthful reporting ''not'' ukraine ''propaganda'' (sic) I would include among the people mentioned above, Patrick Lancaster.
All of the people or entities, noted above, offer significantly anti-Ukraine, anti-NATO, anti-USA and, or pro-RuZZian propaganda.
If an original statement is made or offered, it is valid to say that it is true that the statement has been made. However, such an assertion does not make the original statement true.
You may like to compare the 'references' to the various people, noted above, who are suggested as "reliable comentators" by "sheryn lehndorf" and the references that I have offered below, and make up your own mind about which you would prefer to follow. It is interesting to enter the names of these people or sites into your web-search bar and consider the returned lists of details.
As we know from experience in our own communities, It only takes a few people to spread malicious gossip and sow seeds of doubt. You may find, in the references below, answers to questions that have been raised in your own mind about some of the statements, such as "Ukrainians being responsible for 14,000 deaths in the Donbas region". { This issue puzzled me for quite some time } This is an accusation often made by pro-RuZZian and pro-Separatist commenters, and you will find a very clear answer to that question in the last of the videos that I have recommended. Note the question mark on the title statement of that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoYfAYkDqTY
"CBC/Radio-Canada is a Canadian public broadcast service. Wikipedia
#RussiaUkraineWar #Russia #Putin
The Westerners helping Putin’s propaganda war on Ukraine 158,185 views 6 Jul 2022"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GssYjPXBE08
"CBC/Radio-Canada is a Canadian public broadcast service. Wikipedia
#Putin #VladimirPutin #RussiaUkraine
How Putin used propaganda to justify invading Ukraine 63,895 views 25 Feb 2022"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUpVHg72riQ
"DW is a German public broadcast service. Wikipedia
#Russia #Ukraine #Propaganda
Fact check: How to see through Russia's war propaganda | DW News 223,363 views 3 Sept 2022"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B9diixt1L4
#realrussianclub #russiaukraine #russianpropaganda
Russian PROPAGANDA against Ukraine explained | Why Russians don't protest
134,175 views Premiered on 20 Apr 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPxKY0vXsc
#CNN #News
Ex-Russian state journalist pulls back the curtain on Putin's war lies
170,930 views 19 Oct 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUpVHg72riQ
#Russia #Ukraine #Propaganda
Fact check: How to see through Russia's war propaganda | DW News
223,363 views 3 Sept 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-YKRc_b7CE
#Ukraine #War #Ctrl_Z
Ukraine bombed Donbas for 8 years? 335,225 views 29 Jun 2022
"https://www.osce.org/chairmanship/516933
"WARSAW/VIENNA, 28 April 2022 –OSCE Chairman-in-Office, Foreign Minister of Poland Zbigniew Rau and OSCE Secretary General Helga Maria Schmid have today announced that the OSCE would take immediate steps to implement the closure of the Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine."
{Note: The Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine was initiated and established at the request of Ukraine and its closure occurred because of Russia not agreeing to the extension of the mandated term of the Mission, about the same time as their invasion of Ukraine on the 24 February 2022}
"This decision follows the lack of consensus at the OSCE Permanent Council on 31 March 2022 to extend the Mission’s mandate. The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM) was deployed on 21 March 2014, following a request to the OSCE by Ukraine’s government and a consensus decision by all 57 OSCE participating States."
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/b/a/116879.pdf
A brief 2 page pdf statement entitled:
"OSCE SPECIAL MONITORING MISSION (SMM) TO UKRAINE: The Facts"
Another reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSCE_Special_Monitoring_Mission_to_Ukraine
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I really do not believe that there was any failure in the presentation with regard to discussion regarding "winding the population up". In fact, you have alluded to the mention of that possible use of the winter pause in Ander's presentation.
A discussion of the "truly heinous propaganda themes and specious narratives they've are already started using" (sic) would have taken the presentation way past the subject matter intended, and the appropriate time for its delivery.
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There is presently, and never has been any justifiable reason for Russia's WAR against Ukraine. The only reason that I can see is a high degree of hubris, pride and greed on the part of Putin and the political and military establishment of Russia. All the reasons, given at the beginning of the war, by Putin and other Russian sources, have been shown to be false:
** Protection of the interests of the Russian speaking civilian population in the east of Ukraine? Thousands have been murdered by the Russian aerial and artillery bombardments, the survivors made homeless and destitute, displaced persons within their own country, and refugees in other countries supporting Ukraine.
** Nazis? -- Ukraine has probably roughly the same percentage of people holding significantly right leaning philosophy and views among their population, as any other "free world" country and probably a smaller proportion of the population than in Russia.
** Demilitarization? -- If the conquest was going to be as easy as the Russians thought, I wonder what level of militarization the Russians thought that the Ukrainians had? The Russians must have been aware that the Ukrainian military, though possibly well trained, would not have had significant quantities of munitions and materiel. Presumably, the reason for believing Ukraine to be an easy target. Most of the military hardware, that the Ukrainians currently have, has arrived in Ukraine since the second invasion of Ukraine's territory, by Russia in February 2022, following their first invasion in 2014.
** NATO "threat"? -- In this day and age of intercontinental ballistic missiles that can be fired to the other side of the world, what reason has Putin and his Moscow menagerie to hide behind the petti-coats and hang on to the apron-strings of little sister, Ukraine. Another characteristic of a bully when issues and events are not going his way.
** De-Satan-ization -- On the 26 October 2022, I have heard that Putin has included desatanization to his list of objectives. Presumably, this WAR with Ukraine has now become a religious WAR.
Indeed there are many other countries that appear, according to comments by Putin and others from the Moscow menagerie, to be at risk of aggressive and offensive invasion by Russia, should Russia succeed in its belligerent offensive, invasion and WAR waged against Ukraine. This is completely the reverse of Russia's claims of feeling threatened by NATO. The comments, by people in the Russian establishment, maintain and support the assertion and belief that Russia should be confined and prevented from proceeding with such attacks on any other countries.
How absolutely Preposterous, Ridiculous and Pathetic is the position of Russia given their stated position, all of which has changed, from time to time, as the war proceeded, and the Russian asserted positions were, at each stage, shown to be false?
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Most of the jobs that have been vacated, I would think, to have been in the cities and likely to have been trades, clerical and professional work that people would consider that they could transfer to in other countries. Women in the age bracket are likely to be already employed or committed to caring for family members; children and older people. So I believe that the available pool of potential workers is likely to be relatively small.
There is also the question of willingness. In "recent years", prior to Russia's invasion in 2014 and again in 2022, I believe that there has been a reasonably good relationship between Russia and Ukraine through family and friends, trade, commerce, social and sports activities.. Hence Putin's previous attempts, this year, to minimise the scope of the "operation", saying that no-one will be injured or killed and troops will be careful to avoid damage to personal, community, health and education, cultural, religious, commercial and industrial infrastructure. While initially, there seemed to be a reluctance by Russians to acknowledge that Putin's statements, were not true, now, in day 245 of the 3 day operation, surely even the cosseted Russians are becoming aware of the catastrophic reality of the situation in Ukraine and consequently, in and for Russia, despite the changed, varied and ecalatory rhetoric.
In view of this, I believe that any willingness by individuals to adjust from an established position is likely to be generally low. I have estimated that the Russian economy is going to take at least a 6% hit to their economy because of the war in Ukraine by losses through conscription and the response to mobilisation.
My calculation follows in case you may be interested
The total population of Russia is ~ 145 million
~145 x 0.3473% (ages 18-44) = ~ 50 million
~50 x 0.49 (%male) = ~ 24.7 million males aged 18 – 44
100% population divide by 25 = ~ 4% of male Russians aged 18 - 44 years of age
Assuming 3% have travelled to other countries, 1% have been mobilised for military service and two thirds of the 3% travellers = (2%) are accompanied, or will be, by wife, girlfriend, partner.
That is: 1% mobilised/conscripted, 3% travelled, and 2% companions; Total 6% of the working population (18 - 44 yrs) are removed from the regular workforce of Russia.
That means approximately:
6% per annum reduction in productive output,
6% loss of revenue through lost tax on earnings,
6% reduction in consumption of goods and services.
Those figures are probably a conservative estimate when other factors are considered, such as economic, social and psychological impacts, including family adjustments, reduction in property rentals, and other family, community, and national adjustments disruptions and dislocations / re-locations.
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@vestland3877 "Most Europeans are terrified of guns .....", which is probably the very reason that most people from the "free world", and most in Europe or their parents, know what it is like to be told, at the muzzle of a gun, what to do. Unfortunately, many in Ukraine have suffered far worse treatment. If Ukraine were to submit to RuZZia's demands, which country would be next ? You might feel safe because you have Finland as your "buffer zone". It's all very well to be sanctimonious when you are behind the back of someone else.
So, Vestland, it's not the impression that I have had of your countrymen, that you would be wanting to hide behind the petti-coats and hang on to the apron-strings of sister country, Finland, in the way that Pootin wants to hide behind sister country, Ukraine, for fear of the big, bad wolf that is the defensive alliance NATO. Of course that is not all Pootin is claiming. Another characteristic of a bully when issues and events are not going their way. However, in the face of a bully and his mates, we ask friends to help, as Ukraine has justifiably done.
In March of this year (2022), President Zelensky offered a number of concessions, including the agreement not to join NATO. { web-search "Ukraine not to join NATO" for details } However, the offer was declined or ignored by Moscow. It therefore appears that what RuZZia was stating they wanted, was a lie among so many other lies. Following the crimes perpetrated in Bucha, Irpin, Hostomel and other villages, towns and cities, Zelensky, having discusssed with Ukrainian troops, civilians and the government, hardened Ukraine's position.
Better to die with honour than to live in shame, as submissive serfs and slaves in a vassal state, dominated by the RuZZian Federation, which is itself in a state of decline and approaching the condition of a failed state.
{The term RuZZia refers to the RuZZian Fascist-Nazi style regime that appears to be acting against the interests of their own people of Russia and the people of other countries, in particular but not only Ukraine, at the present time.}
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There is presently, and never has been any justifiable reason for Russia's WAR against Ukraine. The only reason that I can see is a high degree of hubris, pride and greed on the part of Putin and the political and military establishment of Russia. All the reasons, given at the beginning of the war, by Putin and other Russian sources, have been shown to be false:
** Protection of the interests of the Russian speaking civilian population in the east of Ukraine? Thousands have been murdered by the Russian aerial and artillery bombardments, the survivors made homeless and destitute, displaced persons within their own country, and refugees in other countries supporting Ukraine.
** Nazis? -- Ukraine has probably roughly the same percentage of people holding significantly right leaning philosophy and views among their population, as any other "free world" country and probably a smaller proportion of the population than in Russia.
** Demilitarization? -- If the conquest was going to be as easy as the Russians thought, I wonder what level of militarization the Russians thought that the Ukrainians had? The Russians must have been aware that the Ukrainian military, though possibly well trained, would not have had significant quantities of munitions and materiel. Presumably, the reason for believing Ukraine to be an easy target. Most of the military hardware, that the Ukrainians currently have, has arrived in Ukraine since the second invasion of Ukraine's territory, by Russia in February 2022, following their first invasion in 2014.
** NATO "threat"? -- In this day and age of intercontinental ballistic missiles that can be fired to the other side of the world, what reason has Putin and his Moscow menagerie to hide behind the petti-coats and hang on to the apron-strings of little sister, Ukraine. Another characteristic of a bully when issues and events are not going his way.
** De-Satan-ization -- On the 26 October 2022, I have heard that Putin has included desatanization to his list of objectives. Presumably, this WAR with Ukraine has now become a religious WAR.
Indeed there are many other countries that appear, according to comments by Putin and others from the Moscow menagerie, to be at risk of aggressive and offensive invasion by Russia, should Russia succeed in its belligerent offensive, invasion and WAR waged against Ukraine. This is completely the reverse of Russia's claims of feeling threatened by NATO. The comments, by people in the Russian political and military establishment, maintain and support the assertion and belief that Russia should be confined and prevented from proceeding with such attacks on any other countries.
How absolutely Preposterous, Ridiculous and Pathetic is the position of Russia given their stated purposes, all of which has changed, from time to time, as the war proceeded, and the Russian asserted positions were, at each stage, shown to be false?
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The statement, as said was, "They have annexed the territory, so from a RuZZian perspective, it is a part of Russia.", which clearly refers to the fact that it is, as stated "from a RuZZian perspective". I always go back over a video if I think that I have, or have not heard, what I think has been said. Because an "annexation" has taken place, it will probably need to be challenged according to international law. However, there is no reason, during the same conflict for the Ukrainians not to recover that territory in the same way that it was taken from them. And I would certainly like to see any other country, other than the RuZZians try to prevent them from recovering their territory { highly unlikely }. I really believe that the RuZZians would be well advised to vacate the land and beg forgiveness. Reparations will be sorted out afterwards --- if they think they are up against it now, they've go another thing coming.
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