Comments by "PNH 6000" (@PNH-sf4jz) on "Forget about war fatigue: It will be a long war" video.
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Rapid End to WAR & Attrition of Military Resources.
It may be that a quick victory may not be as useful or desirable as it might seem.
There will be no military stalemate or frozen conflict "at close to the current lines". Neither will there be a ceasefire before the RuZZian military and administrative personnel have been ejected from internationally recognised Ukrainian territory. Those who have been charged and found guilty of crimes, including war crimes will be sentenced appropriately for the crimes committed.
The current conference/coalition of nearly 60 countries will continue to support Ukraine until the primary objective has been achieved. There will be no peace in this world until those goals have been achieved and Russia is, in some way, restrained from attacking other countries.
Many people are saying, "We could have ended this WAR last year, if Ukraine had been given all they needed". What people seem to forget, or simply do not know, is that:
#** February 2022 Russia had nearly 3 times as many tanks as Ukraine had prior to Feb 2022.
Russia 3,400 tanks Ukraine 1,400 tanks {60% advantage to Russians}
July 2023 Today, Ukraine's tank inventory is believed to be considerably better equipped and have greater capacity and firepower than the Russians and they now have more, outnumbering the Russians by ~50%.
Russia 990 tanks Ukraine 1,500 tanks {50% advantage to Ukrainians} #+++
#** February 2022 Russia had 14% more heavy guns and artillery in Feb 2022
Russia 2,200 Artillery Ukraine 1,900 Artillery {14% advantage to Russians}
July 2023 Today, the Artillery and heavy guns inventories are:
Russia 773 Artillery Ukraine 1,100 Artillery {42% advantage to Ukrainians} #+++
#** February 2022 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems {MLRS}
Russia 1,100 MLRS Ukraine 840 MLRS {25% advantage to Russians}
July 2023 Today, the numbers of MLRS are:
Russia 354 MLRS Ukraine 427 MLRS {20% advantage to Ukrainians} #+++
Had an all out WAR been fought in the early months of 2022, Russia would have had an advantage of more than 3:1 against Ukraine in terms of military hardware. That may well have been greater, for Russia, because of respective levels of training of military personnel on the various platforms being used, and the elements of logistics and supply.
Today, Russia's inventory of military hardware is believed to actually be less than that of Ukraine in all the categories above. Ukraine has depleted Russia of much of its land-based hardware, probably most of the best of the Russian troops and massive amounts of ammunition and also a lot of the infrastructure; railways, roads, bridges and fuel stocks and storages, that Russia relies on for movement of troops, hardware and ammunition. That depletion of Russian military assets continues.
The figures above do not include the areas where Russia retains superiority; jet fighter air-craft, Su-95 heavy bombers, ships and submarines in the Black and Caspian Seas. However, since February 2022, Russia has lost; 315 air-craft, 310 helicopters, 18 Ships and boats, including the flagship, Moskva.
By this gradual process of attrition of the hardware, equipment, ammunition and {unfortunately, from a humanitarian perspective} Russian military personnel, I believe that many lives, particularly of Ukrainian civilians and military personnel, have been saved.
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This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here.
Russia: Total Hardware and Tank Losses 24 Feb 2022 to 2 Nov 2023
Total - 12948, of which: destroyed: 8971, damaged: 559, abandoned: 516, captured: 2902
Tanks - 2450, of which destroyed: 1607, damaged: 139, abandoned: 162, captured: 550
Ukraine: Total Hardware and Tank Losses 24 Feb 2022 to 2 Nov 2023
Total - 4685, of which: destroyed: 3189, damaged: 359, abandoned: 175, captured: 961
Tanks - 688, of which destroyed: 454, damaged: 56, abandoned: 37, captured: 141
Russian Naval Ships and Submarines (16, of which destroyed: 11, damaged: 5)
1 Project 1164 Slava-class guided missile cruiser: (1, Moskva, sunk)
1 Project 636.3 Improved Kilo-class submarine: (1, B-237 'Rostov-na-Donu', damaged beyond economical repair)
5 Project 03160 Raptor-class patrol boat: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
1 Project 02510 BK-16E high-speed assault boat: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 640 small patrol boat: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 1171 Tapir-class landing ship: (1, BDK-65 'Saratov', destroyed)
3 Project 775 Ropucha-class landing ship: (1, 'Minsk', damaged beyond economical repair) (1, damaged) (2, 'Olenegorsky Gornyak', damaged)
1 Project 11770 Serna-class landing craft: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 22870 rescue tug: (1, SB-739 V'asily Bekh', destroyed)
1 Project 266M Natya-class minesweeper: (1, damaged)
Russian Total aircraft Lost
Russia - 539, of which: destroyed: 369, damaged: 36, captured: 134
Piloted Aircraft Lost
Combat Aircraft (82, of which destroyed: 78, damaged: 4)
Strategic Bombers (3, of which destroyed: 1, damaged: 2)
Transport Aircraft (6, of which destroyed: 5, damaged: 1)
Helicopters (131, of which destroyed: 101, damaged: 28, captured: 2)
Ukraine Total Aircraft Lost
Ukraine - 325, of which: destroyed: 231, damaged: 4, captured: 73
Piloted aircraft lost
Combat Aircraft (71, of which destroyed: 70, damaged: 1)
Jet Trainers (2, of which destroyed: 2)
Transport Aircraft (4, of which destroyed: 3, captured: 1)
Helicopters (37, of which destroyed: 33, damaged: 1, captured: 3)
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Speed at which War is Conducted
Had this war been fought, by the Ukrainians, with all guns blazing and super-supplies of resources, Ukraine may have fared much worse. The Russians would have reciprocated in like fashion, possibly even resorting to the use of their much vaunted tactical nuclear weapons. Had that occurred, the loss of life among civilians and military personnel and the damage to property and infrastructure could have been significantly greater.
At the present time, it appears to me that the Ukrainians are slowly but gradually making headway in the right direction. This ensures that there does not exist, or even appear to exist, what may be referred to as a stalemate or frozen conflict on which pressure could be brought to bear to sue for so-called "peace", that I doubt would lead to lasting peace for Ukraine.
Later this year or early next year, there will be available pilots trained for the aircraft expected to be provided. At that time, I would anticipate a far stronger counter-offensive to take place. The objective, at the present time, would be to make some headway and destroy as much of the stored and active resources, hardware, ammunition and, unfortunately from a humanitarian perspective, enemy personnel, as possible. Those personnel have choices. Some choices may be more palatable than others, but if Russians choose to fight in Ukraine, they face the possibility of dying by that choice.
🇺🇦 Victory for Ukraine 🇺🇦
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Absolutely agreed and supported. And any such perspective would have to have been agreed to by Ukraine.
In support of your comment:
Despite the costs of the Afghan War, for the Soviet Union, not being overwhelmingly large compared to other commitments, the Soviet-Afghan War left a long legacy in the former Soviet Union and, following its collapse, for the Russian Federation.
Along with financial, economic and personnel losses {even though relatiely low by comparison to Ukraine}, it brought physical disabilities and widespread drug and alcohol addiction throughout the USSR and subsequently, to the Russian Federation.
According to scholars Rafael Reuveny and Aseem Prakash, the war contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union by:
---- undermining the image of the Red Army as invincible,
---- undermining Soviet legitimacy, and by
---- creating new forms of political participation.
I can see the same patterns emerging in the Russian WAR against Ukraine. The WAR that Russia is waging on Ukraine is going to have a far greater impact on the Russian Federation than the Afghanistan WAR had on its predecessor, the Soviet Union.
It may be possible, because of pride, arrogance, hubris, jealousy and even embarrassment, that the Russian Federation believe they have nothing more to lose and will keep fighting till they are beaten to a stand still - Total Defeat.
A lot of appearances but supported by much less substance than was earlierperceived. This is so when considering that the Russian military was viewed and possibly feared as the "2nd strongest military in the world} and also, as a potentially belligerent force.
Afghanistan - Soviet Casualties and losses {in 10 years, 1979-89}
Soviet Union:
14,453–26,000
9,500 KIA in combat
4,000 died from wounds
1,000 died from disease and accidents
Ukraine - Russian Casualties and losses {in 20 months, 2022-23}
~300,000 KIA
~ 870,000 wounded
Another example of the application of the sunk cost fallacy in action.
The Sunk Cost Fallacy describes our tendency to follow through on an endeavour if we have already invested time, effort, or money into it, whether or not the current costs outweigh the benefits or any possible return on present or future investment.
🇺🇦 Victory for Ukraine 🇺🇦
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So you say !!! As was also perceived in February 2022, by many people in Ukraine, certainly in Russia {those that knew anything about what was going on}, as well as observers from other countries.
However, we are now in the 618th day of the 3 to 30 day "operation" and still the "2nd strongest military in the world" has not triumphed. Indeed, Russia has gone backwards as demonstrated by their retreats, withdrawals and routs from Kyiv, Sumy, Karkhiv and Kherson. Also, their massive losses of hardware and military personnel, the latter being confirmed by the need to have an ongoing mobilisation and recruitment of men for the Russian army.
🇺🇦 Victory for Ukraine 🇺🇦
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@stayhungry1503 Quoting your comment "ukraine had been preparing for war backed by NATO for 8 years so only an idiot would have thought it would be an easy fight for russia." (sic)
It was Russia that claimed the potential of an easy win / subjugation / subordination / domination of Ukraine. It was Russia that had gathered all the intellgence, social, political and military. Consequently, it appears that the Russians that planned the "operation" were fools.
"Ukraine war: Captured Russian documents reveal Moscow's 10-day plan to take over the country and {eliminate} its leaders 1 December 2022
War in Ukraine
"Russia planned to start the invasion with a "massive missile and airstrike campaign" against Ukrainian military targets, RUSI says, with a list also showing who should be {eliminated}, who would be intimidated and who would be targeted as a collaborator."
"Read the Special Report: Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February–July 2022 - by Mykhaylo Zabrodskyi, Dr Jack Watling, Oleksandr V Danylyuk and Nick Reynolds - 30 November 2022"
"now ukraine has been ground down for 618 days and russia has learned a lot of lessons. the russian army is better and stronger than it has been since the 1980s. the epic ukrainian counter offensive has turned out to be an epic debacle with losses on a scale that hasnt been seen since ww2. zelensky is now hanging on by a thread as we could read in the scathing time magazine article from a few days ago "
The Russian military was supposed to have been the "2nd strongest military in the world", and yet it is now supposed to be, in your words, "better and stronger than it has been since the 1980s." Yet has been unable to take control of a country that Russia had militarily emasculated or neutered with the acquisition of most of Ukraine's military hardware between Independence in 1991, the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 and the Russian - Ukraine Friendship Treaty of 1997 and much more. All of those agreements assuring Ukraine of Russia's total support.
I take little note of what is written in the "Time" magazine. Apparently, though, there was an article written by a Russian apologist called Simon Shuster . Even if I was interested in any more than a cursory glance at the article, I would definitely not rely on one article or even a whole magazine unless I could cross reference and fact check the information. The article seemed full of opinion and little endowed with fact
Needless to say, I absolutely support President Zelenxkyy and his goals and objectives. You, or anyone else can make subjective comments about his leadership and that of the opposition.
The Russians most certainly made fools of themselves, as is demonstrated by being in the 618th day of their 3 to 30 day "operation".
This list only includes destroyed vehicles {ships and boats, aircraft} and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here.
Russia: Total Hardware and Tank Losses 24 Feb 2022 to 2 Nov 2023
Total - 12948, of which: destroyed: 8971, damaged: 559, abandoned: 516, captured: 2902
Tanks - 2450, of which destroyed: 1607, damaged: 139, abandoned: 162, captured: 550
Ukraine: Total Hardware and Tank Losses 24 Feb 2022 to 2 Nov 2023
Total - 4685, of which: destroyed: 3189, damaged: 359, abandoned: 175, captured: 961
Tanks - 688, of which destroyed: 454, damaged: 56, abandoned: 37, captured: 141
Russian Naval Ships and Submarines (16, of which destroyed: 11, damaged: 5)
1 Project 1164 Slava-class guided missile cruiser: (1, Moskva, sunk)
1 Project 636.3 Improved Kilo-class submarine: (1, B-237 'Rostov-na-Donu', damaged beyond economical repair)
5 Project 03160 Raptor-class patrol boat: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
1 Project 02510 BK-16E high-speed assault boat: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 640 small patrol boat: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 1171 Tapir-class landing ship: (1, BDK-65 'Saratov', destroyed)
3 Project 775 Ropucha-class landing ship: (1, 'Minsk', damaged beyond economical repair) (1, damaged) (2, 'Olenegorsky Gornyak', damaged)
1 Project 11770 Serna-class landing craft: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 22870 rescue tug: (1, SB-739 V'asily Bekh', destroyed)
1 Project 266M Natya-class minesweeper: (1, damaged)
Russian Total aircraft Lost
Russia - 539, of which: destroyed: 369, damaged: 36, captured: 134
Piloted Aircraft Lost
Combat Aircraft (82, of which destroyed: 78, damaged: 4)
Strategic Bombers (3, of which destroyed: 1, damaged: 2)
Transport Aircraft (6, of which destroyed: 5, damaged: 1)
Helicopters (131, of which destroyed: 101, damaged: 28, captured: 2)
Ukraine Total Aircraft Lost
Ukraine - 325, of which: destroyed: 231, damaged: 4, captured: 73
Piloted aircraft lost
Combat Aircraft (71, of which destroyed: 70, damaged: 1)
Jet Trainers (2, of which destroyed: 2)
Transport Aircraft (4, of which destroyed: 3, captured: 1)
Helicopters (37, of which destroyed: 33, damaged: 1, captured: 3)
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Actual figures that relate to the relative positions of Ukraine and Russia.
"This list only includes destroyed vehicles, airforce and naval hardware and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."
Details extracted from the ORYX websites "Documenting ** Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine" and "ORYX aicraft losses in Ukraine"
Russia: Total Hardware and Tank Losses 24 Feb 2022 to 2 Nov 2023
Total - 12948, of which: destroyed: 8971, damaged: 559, abandoned: 516, captured: 2902
Tanks - 2450, of which destroyed: 1607, damaged: 139, abandoned: 162, captured: 550
Ukraine: Total Hardware and Tank Losses 24 Feb 2022 to 2 Nov 2023
Total - 4685, of which: destroyed: 3189, damaged: 359, abandoned: 175, captured: 961
Tanks - 688, of which destroyed: 454, damaged: 56, abandoned: 37, captured: 141
Russian Naval Ships and Submarines (16, of which destroyed: 11, damaged: 5)
1 Project 1164 Slava-class guided missile cruiser: (1, Moskva, sunk)
1 Project 636.3 Improved Kilo-class submarine: (1, B-237 'Rostov-na-Donu', damaged beyond economical repair)
5 Project 03160 Raptor-class patrol boat: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
1 Project 02510 BK-16E high-speed assault boat: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 640 small patrol boat: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 1171 Tapir-class landing ship: (1, BDK-65 'Saratov', destroyed)
3 Project 775 Ropucha-class landing ship: (1, 'Minsk', damaged beyond economical repair) (1, damaged) (2, 'Olenegorsky Gornyak', damaged)
1 Project 11770 Serna-class landing craft: (1, destroyed)
1 Project 22870 rescue tug: (1, SB-739 V'asily Bekh', destroyed)
1 Project 266M Natya-class minesweeper: (1, damaged)
Russian Total aircraft Lost
Russia - 539, of which: destroyed: 369, damaged: 36, captured: 134
Piloted Aircraft Lost
Combat Aircraft (82, of which destroyed: 78, damaged: 4)
Strategic Bombers (3, of which destroyed: 1, damaged: 2)
Transport Aircraft (6, of which destroyed: 5, damaged: 1)
Helicopters (131, of which destroyed: 101, damaged: 28, captured: 2)
Ukraine Total Aircraft Lost
Ukraine - 325, of which: destroyed: 231, damaged: 4, captured: 73
Piloted aircraft lost
Combat Aircraft (71, of which destroyed: 70, damaged: 1)
Jet Trainers (2, of which destroyed: 2)
Transport Aircraft (4, of which destroyed: 3, captured: 1)
Helicopters (37, of which destroyed: 33, damaged: 1, captured: 3)
🇺🇦 Victory for Ukraine 🇺🇦
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