Comments by "People Liberator" (@lvjinbin28) on "Will there be a war between China and US | John Mearsheimer and Lex Fridman" video.
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No big country exists on the basis of peace. Even Brazil, which is considered peaceful and friendly by the world, has won all the wars after independence in order to maintain the world's fifth largest land area. The Greeks and Romans, the former imperialist expanders, lost the war and failed to unify back the empire, so their land is so small today.
Do you know that the Xia Dynasty in 2070 BC was only as big as today's France size, but the Han people broke through the Great Wall and reached Xinjiang then lost Xinjiang, also because of the rule and expansion of the Mongols and Manchus, the Han people inherited the lands of the ethnic minorities and suppressed their independence movement after overthrowing Mongol and Manchu minority rule, today the territory of the People's Republic of China is twice the size of the Roman Empire. But if comparing with the Mongols, British, Americans or Russians, Chinese are still relatively conservative expanders like the Chinese often said, the Ming fleet did not colonize Southeast Asia, India and Africa. If you talk about the PRC after 1949, then it was actually 30 years of peaceful revival after 40 years of military rise.
Therefore, the Han people should be grateful for the expansion of the Manchus, otherwise Sun Yat-sen's ROC would definitely not be able to inherit the lands of the Manchus, Mongols, Tibetans, and Uyghurs from the Qing Dynasty. However, Westerners also accepted the largest territory of the Qing Dynasty, and also accepted that Chinese being victim from the Eight-Power Allied Forces' invasion of Qing Empire, Chiang Kai-shek's ROC was suffered much from civil war or Japan's invasion, Therefore, most people in the world have gradually accepted the image of China as a victim that was colonized and invaded by modern colonists, the whole world has also acquiesced that the 1945 map of China after WWII belongs to Chinese, and even gradually forgot the belligerence of Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping's PRC, I don’t like pro-China foreigners who always overemphasize that the Chinese are peaceful and non-expansionary. This sounds weak and uncool, because such impression cannot deter anti-China countries at all, it will made the United States to feel they can contain gentle and obedient Chinese without paying any price, This is simply not language that the US hegemony in Cold War 2.0 can respect. I think the pro-China people should show the cruelty and bellicosity of the CCP and Chinese bottom line.
CCP attacked the USA-led United Nations force imperialists, Korean War 1950-1953 after half million American troops landed in South Korea.
CCP armed the anti-West Viet Cong against France colonist, the First Indochina War 1946-1954.
CCP exported anti-West communist revolution Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Philippines, Malaya, Indonesia etc, and Africa by countless proxy wars, 1950-1979.
CCP attacked pro-West ROC dicatorship, First Taiwan Strait Crisis 1954.
CCP attacked pro-West ROC dicatorship, Second Taiwan Strait Crisis 1958-1979.
CCP armed the anti-West Viet Cong against the United States imperialist, Vietnam War 1955-1975 after half million American troops landed in South Vietnam.
CCP suppressed the pro-West and pro-Indian separatists, Tibetan armed rebellion 1959.
CCP attacked pro-US pro-Soviet India expansionist, 1962, 1967.
CCP suppressed pro-Soviet or pro-US separatists, Xinjiang rebellion 1962-2016.
CCP intervened in the Portuguese Macau anti-colonial revolution 1966.
CCP intervened in British Hong Kong anti-colonial revolution 1967.
CCP attacked the Soviet Union social imperialist, Sino-Soviet conflict 1969.
CCP attacked South Vietnam invader, The Battle of the Paracel Islands 1974.
CCP armd pro-China Khmer Rouge against Vietnam occupation, attacked pro-Soviet Viet Cong expansionist, the Third Indochina War 1975-1991.
CCP armed pro-China Afghanistan mujihideen against the Soviet Union invaders, the Soviet Afghanistan War 1979-1989.
Also CCP exported anti-Soviet revolution in 1969-1991 like Ogaden War, Rhodesian Bush War, Angolan Civil War, Mozambican Civil War, Eritrean War of Independence, Dhofar Rebellion, Bangladesh Liberation War, Angolan Civil War, Ethiopian Civil War, Afghan Civil War, Insurgency in Laos, Insurgency in Northeast India, Balochistan conflict, Cabinda War, Naxalite–Maoist insurgency, Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir etc.
The CCP has only been at peace for the past 30 years since the end of the Cold War and no longer be involved in any wars or proxy wars. This is just because the United States and Russia no longer contained China so much, CCP‘s propaganda is right that China in the past 30 years has indeed been more peaceful than the United States in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria or Russia in Georgia, Transnistria, Tajikistan, Ukraine, but this does not mean that the CCP will not attack pro-American neighbors, So what if the United States establishes a new bamboo curtain again?
Of course China will not attack the United States directly, but China will definitely attack pro-American proxies in a long-term proxy war of attrition. remember the colonial Vietnamese was pro-French and anti-communist, capitalist Vietnamese was pro-American and anti-communist, communist Vietnamese was pro-Soviet and anti-Chinese? then the CCP intervened in 40 years long three Indochina wars until the French army withdrew from North Vietnam, the US army withdrew from South Vietnam, and the Vietnamese army withdrew from Cambodia, the 40-year Indochina War resulted in the death of 3 million to 6 million local people, because Vietnam is China's Cuba, and Southeast Asia is China's Monroe Doctrine.
Do you think Deng Xiaoping was a peaceful economic reformer, and did he really 'conceal ambitions and hide claws'? In fact, after The Vietcong implemented expulsion of Chinese minority aka the Boat People Genocide, the Soviet Union signed a military alliance with Vietnam in 1978, the CCP launched a "special retaliatory operation" in 1979 to "de-industrialize, de-agriculturalize, and de-infrastructure" in northern Vietnam, Deng destroyed all the aid from the Mao era to Ho Chi Minh, and then armed the most brutal Khmer Rouge communist guerrillas against pro-Soviet Vietnamese comrades.
Why didn't the PLA retaliate against pro-American Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Indonesia in the First Island Chain? In particular, Indonesia’s pro-American right-wing anti-communist dictator Suharto massacred 500,000 Chinese minority, Of course not because Mao was kind, peaceful and good at forgiving, this was because the PLA navy was even smaller than Taiwan before 1980s, CCP could not reach and punish pro-American Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Indonesia, Therefore, only those anti-China small neighboring countries that share land borders with China suffered so so much, like South Korea, South Vietnam, Vietnam, Afghanistan.
Now the Chinese navy is already the second largest in the world by tonnage, China’s shipbuilding capacity is 232 times greater than that of the United States, so You will see a longer, bloody and cruel proxy war than the globalized Indochina War when the CCP decided to contain American influence. The CCP will likely intervene in the fourth Taiwan Strait crisis, Korean War 2.0, the Fourth Indochina Wars, the Third Sino-Indian War, Fifth Indo-Pakistani War, the Seventh Middle East War, the Cuban Crisis 2.0, new Central American crisis and the new anti-colonial war in Africa, how could the CCP only stay in the first island chain and just let the United States watch from a distance as China falls into a war of attrition?? CCP will surely also make the United States fall into the trap of various proxy wars because The United States has so many key allies that US must to save.
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Mearsheimer is a classic American. He thinks he understands China's century of humiliation, but he has no idea about the role of the CCP in the last Cold War. When the United States formed an anti-communist bamboo curtain, the CCP intervened in the Korean War, the First Indochina War, the Taiwan Strait Crisis and the Vietnam War, when the Soviet Union formed an anti-China encirclement, the CCP intervened in the Sino-Indian War, the Sino-Soviet War, the Third Indochina War, and the Soviet-Afghanistan War. .
The PRC was poorer than any African country in 1980s, today’s CCP’s counter-encirclement and suppression strategy will only stop at the first island chain? The CCP will of course get involved in proxy wars in Latin America, the Middle East, and even Eastern Europe.
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@toshivibe I think you are really naive, childish, and have double standards. Since you Westerners respect democratic self-determination so much, why don’t you support the freedom fighters in Catalonia and Donbas? Half of the voters in the United States do not recognize the free will of the other half of the voters and say that Biden stole the election. Do you have the nerve to teach us to respect the democratic process? There is no way you can try to convince us morally.
Taiwan belongs to the ROC. This is the order of World War II, which is the Yalta Agreement decided by the United States and the Soviet Union. This is the spoils that the Chinese finally obtained after paying tens of millions of casualties and resisting Japan for 14 years. This also includes the 11-dash line that Taiwan still claims today since 1945, because the Southeast Asians surrendered as early as 1942, how could it be possible that the PRC could easily give up because you used morals or values to blackmail us? Since you love talking about morality and ideology so much, you Americans who love freedom should stop oppressing the Chinese, and you Americans who love market economy should stop the trade war. What a fucking shame.
And by conquering Taiwan, China will be able to break through the first island chain. Otherwise, will China attack Japan or the Philippines? You can't even convince us on the basis of pure geopolitical interests. Attacking Taiwan is in line with international law, the UN charter. Western countries will definitely play double-face, but the 150 Belt and Road countries, all countries in the global South, will definitely support China, just like they support Ukraine's reunification of Donbass.
Outer Mongolia became independent from ROC because of the support of the Soviet Union. This was actually the World War II order that the United States and the Soviet Union conspired to betray the Chinese. Because ROC Nanjing recognized Mongolia's independence in 1945, PRC Beijing could also only recognize Mongolia's independence in 1949, and Mongolia's independence was fully recognized by Taiwan in 2002. Have you even heard about the Yalta Conference?
If Mongolia really wants to unify China's Inner Mongolia by force, so this is a perfect excuse for us to retake Mongolia, We should lure Mongolia to invade China, so that we can definitely counterattack and annex Mongolia, and the PRC can restore the territory of the ROC, let's see who can unify whom.
When the USA unified the CSA, it was not for the liberation of black slaves, but for the reunification of the country. You have no values at all, you only have hypocrisy, American interests and disgust.
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