Comments by "joe public" (@joepublic3933) on "TED"
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@joshuawilliams7653 "people foolishly cling to every word": that's exactly what we're talking about here, people being foolish about words, without thinking about what they mean.
"you seriously think reducing a current growth rate doesn't involve killing people" Yes, I seriously think that, as do any sane people. Didn't I already explain why? Do you deny what has already happened in the world? Can you tell me, with your own logical reasoning, why in Europe we have small families now? Look at demographics a bit, for f**ks sake: note the age distribution of developing countries... note how it's different to ours.
These aren't new ideas invented by Gates and his evil minions; it's just how the World actually works.
Since when did he become the leading expert? Since he became so rich that he could give money to the people doing the research and also get their direct advice. He's a figurehead, high profile and therefore useful for getting messages across. This works on all levels of society. Nothing special about that. If a famous actor talks about a subject for example, it doesn't make him an expert, just the one relaying the message.
"What if by 2030 we hit 11 billion? Means something would have to be done." Ok, so what if? What's your suggestion then? The best way to get something done is by letting people do it of their own free will, no? Better to think about it now rather than when it's too late, isn't it?
Anyway, what's wrong with the idea of improving living conditions?
Pockets of the US may well be densely populated, but the US can provide, so we don't call it overpopulated. Overpopulated is when there aren't enough ressources for the population. It's simple. Use logic, think, learn maths, study history.
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My predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist:
Here's what will happen, if we debate a bit: You'll say "Bill Gates wants to kill half the population, he was chucked out of India, Melinda is a man." I'll ask you for your sources, you'll either say "google it" or "do your own research" or "I don't give links anymore," or "watch the Corbett report" or you'll just carry on spouting random rubbish.
Then I'll give you my sources, which clearly show you're wrong, but you'll refuse to read (yes READ, not watch, sorry!), saying it's all just biased reports paid by "Big Pharma". Conveniently for you, everything which doesn't go in your sense is sponsored by Bill Gates, including me and anyone else who disagrees with you. Since "almost all media" is apparently funded by Gates (funny how it includes media from every single country in the world), except what's on youtube (which is ironic because it's mainly thanks to him that we're on youtube in the first place), it's impossible to provide you with any evidence. Yet you will ask repeatedly, saying mine isn't good enough without giving any yourself. You will spout on about how evil he is, with lots of CAPITAL LETTERS (you're probably catholic, so I can understand that anyone who promotes contraception is evil to you, since you haven't evolved from the Dark Ages), and completely ignore anything I say. When I ask if at the very least you use Linux and not Windows, you won't reply.
Am I wrong?
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My predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist:
Here's what will happen, if we debate a bit: You'll say "Bill Gates wants to kill half the population, he was chucked out of India, Melinda is a man." I'll ask you for your sources, you'll either say "google it" or "do your own research" or "I don't give links anymore," or « follow the money », or "watch the Corbett report" or you'll just carry on spouting random rubbish.
Then I'll give you my sources, which clearly show you're wrong, but you'll refuse to read (yes READ, not watch, sorry!), saying it's all just biased reports paid by "Big Pharma". Conveniently for you, everything which doesn't go in your sense is sponsored by Bill Gates, including me and anyone else who disagrees with you. Since "almost all media" is apparently funded by Gates (funny how it includes media from every single country in the world), except what's on youtube (which is ironic because it's mainly thanks to him that we're on youtube in the first place), it's impossible to provide you with any evidence. Yet you will ask repeatedly, saying mine isn't good enough without giving any yourself. You will spout on about how evil he is, with lots of CAPITAL LETTERS (you're probably catholic, so I can understand that anyone who promotes contraception is evil to you, since you haven't evolved from the Dark Ages), and completely ignore anything I say. When I ask if at the very least you use Linux and not Windows, you won't reply.
Am I wrong?
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@yellow3lantern I agree that the destruction of the environment and industry are the major problem with regards to CO2 emission. The problem is, it's harder to stop people doing things than it is to help people do things. Part of the problem is us, the consumers, and judging by the way we're all glued to our screens most of the time, we're not willing to give up our luxuries. Those who are willing don't comment on youtube because they've had the strength of conviction to leave all that technology behind. So if the consumer wants more (and developing countries being huge potential consumers who want more and more, to be on our level), you have to find other ways of dealing with the problem. One of these is alternative energy sources, which of course Bill Gates talks about in this very video. When people are dying like flies, should you try to help with healthcare, or say "hold on, we'll just sort out all the world's problems first- we'll get to you later"? Remember, curable disease kills more people than malnutrition or famine:
https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death
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@SAN-yb6yz You've got to look further than just documentaries and interviews if you want to find the truth.All such videos have some bias one way or the other. What's important is finding sources. When someone says "the Italian parliament calls for his arrest", it sounds impressive. Then it turns out the source is just one politician, who makes the same errors as so many out there. Is that the parliament? No, it's not. Fact checked, without passing by CNN.
Was he "banned" from India? As you can see from my post above (with link to Indian government site), no he wasn't. Fact checked, with statement directly from the Indian government, not CNN.
Fact checking is not about watching a documentary. Watch them, sure, but look for the sources they themselves use. If it's a serious video, there will be links.
Did he vaccinate his kids? I don't know: he says yes, some say no. But do those saying no have any proof? No, they don't. It all comes from a supposed ex family doctor, reported by another anonymous doctor at an anonymous event. Just hearsay.
I notice how you use the language of conspirators: "down the rabbit hole", "wake up".... want to add "sheeple", to complete the panoply?
Governments do indeed lie to us constantly, but don't go making that classic mistake of thinking that if something goes against the government discourse it must be true.
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@joshuawilliams7653 I agree: the Bible is thousands of years old, even. There have been a number of predicted ends of the world already, none of which actually happened.
When you see how people manage to completely distort the words of Bill Gates, to take an example at random (!) without even translating from one language to another, I'm always amazed to see how people can take the words of the Bible as being gospel truth (pun intended). Multiple authors, multiple translations.... doesn't make it a book I'd follow to the letter, if I were you! If implants were to become common (let's be honest; they do exist), they're more likely to be in the upper arm, not the hand or in the middle of the face. So that's already one detail that doesn't ring true. Only a detail, you might say, but since you're talking about precise details...
Pretty much anything in the Bible can be read how you want to hear it. An example I like to use for that point is this one:
"ye judges of the Earth judge with fear" (sorry, don't know exactly where that is in the Bible I just remember it from school days, but even if it's a false quote, the point will remain the same).
What does that mean to you?
Does it mean that Earthly judges (legal system) should use fear as a tool ....
or does it mean that they should be afraid to judge because only God can do that?
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@spacemonkey1776 "adverse reactions" to vaccines does not equal death. You can't just take into account side effects, but also how many would have died if not vaccinated.
Why the long list on the inserts? Like absolutely any medication, they try to cover as many possibilities as they can. Like food; "may contain traces of peanut", even in things that have never been anywhere near a peanut.
Why the immunity from the government? Because when you produce something that will be used by vast numbers of people, there will be some cases of liability established. Of course there will: no vaccine, or any other medication, is 100% safe. Nothing in the World is.So if you vaccinate billions of people, lots will complain. Too many to make it worthwhile making the vaccines. It may only be a tiny proportion of the users, but when it's a tiny proportion of billions, that's still a lot of people.
So no, ten years later "he" hasn't done a very good job of reducing the population if that was the goal.
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@spacemonkey1776 Where indeed is the line? I don't know, so I refuse to decide for them. Society as a whole decides things together (in an ideal situation, which of course exists in no country on Earth!), after debating among experts. These ethical/moral decisions are always flexible and change with time. The difference between kicking a woman, thus killing her baby, and her deciding? Precisely that: her deciding. Big difference. But I'll never convince you otherwise and nor will you, it's too deeply ingrained in me: it's not up to me to decide what a woman does with her body or the life that she can choose to give or not.
We have the right to tell someone not to steal or murder because we've decided we have the right. Do we have the right to kill someone who disagrees? If you vote for a government that supports the death penalty, are you not guilty of murder? Millions of kids were sent off to fight the first and second world wars; nobody asked them if they wanted to. They went to prison if they refused, or forced labour. Again, where does your 60 million abortions figure come from?
As for the elderly people comparison, I don't think it's equivalent at all. To answer anyway, no, I don't think it'd be right..... but future generations might decide otherwise! However, I think they should have the right to turn off your life support if you wish them to. I'm pro-euthanasia in certain circumstances.
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@tehillah1000 So much wrong in your post.
First, he does not mention lowering population. I'll get back to that.
Second it's carbon dioxide, not monoxide.
Third he doesn't skip onto the next topic; he develops the main topic.
Fourth, everyone obviously does understand him in the audience.
Now, what does he actually say:
"Now the world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 %, but there we see an increase of about 1.3."
The 10-15% refers to the increase rate of 1.3 that could be brought down.
That therefore implies slowing a growth rate, and thus no murdering at all.
Context. You have to finish the end of the sentence to understand it. The population will continue to increase up to its point of stability, but slower than if there are no improvements to living conditions and education.
Next, the equation:
CO2 = P x S x E x C
P= people
S= services per person
E= energy per service
C = carbon dioxide per unit energy
The last one, C, must come down to zero because all the others will increase, even if you slow down the rate of increase.
"Innovating to zero" = creating alternative energy sources that do not produce CO2.
Simple maths: anything x anything x anything x zero = zero.
This is why the title of the talk is about innovating to zero emissions; you can stop the excess CO2 production from industry by changing the energy source for the industry. So, no skipping subjects, just getting to the point.
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@cardinal3728 I've been trying to have intelligent conversations for a while on this subject, but was confronted constantly by the same ignorance. Up to the point where I wrote this:
"My predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist:
Here's what will happen, if we debate a bit: You'll say "Bill Gates wants to kill half the population, he was chucked out of India, Melinda is a man." I'll ask you for your sources, you'll either say "google it" or "do your own research" or "I don't give links anymore," or « follow the money », or "watch the Corbett report" or you'll just carry on spouting random rubbish.
Then I'll give you my sources, which clearly show you're wrong, but you'll refuse to read (yes READ, not watch, sorry!), saying it's all just biased reports paid by "Big Pharma". Conveniently for you, everything which doesn't go in your sense is sponsored by Bill Gates, including me and anyone else who disagrees with you. Since "almost all media" is apparently funded by Gates (funny how it includes media from every single country in the world), except what's on youtube (which is ironic because it's mainly thanks to him that we're on youtube in the first place), it's impossible to provide you with any evidence. Yet you will ask repeatedly, saying mine isn't good enough without giving any yourself. You will spout on about how evil he is, with lots of CAPITAL LETTERS (you're probably catholic, so I can understand that anyone who promotes contraception is evil to you, since you haven't evolved from the Dark Ages), and completely ignore anything I say. When I ask if at the very least you use Linux and not Windows, you won't reply.
Am I wrong?"
Up to now, not one single person has replied intelligently to that. Very few have replied at all. it tends to stop them in their tracks! Those that have replied have just dug their hole deeper. If it's any consolation, it's probably only a small number of people who leave comments here, so does not represent the population as a whole. At least, I hope so! Otherwise, we're all f**ked!
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@bbrayshay Don't worry; the only ones saying that are paranoid Catholics.
I'll admit though that their outrageous lies do seem to be taking hold in the general public, probably due to them saturating social media with their rubbish. You can always tell though, that it's them; from their idiotic outcries with regards to contraception, or their highly original responses to logic: "wake up sheeple, do your own research, follow the money, watch the Corbett Report"..etc
They choose to ignore that making money out of vaccines and eradicating most of the population just don't go together. They're also obsessed with a "depopulation agenda" which, despite this video being ten years old, and the population one billion bigger, doesn't seem to deter them! You can see further down in the comments my "predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist". For the moment, nobody has replied with anything other than what I predicted they would!
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You didn't see any answers in the comments? You didn't look very far then.
let me summarize for you:
The equation lists several factors,
CO2 = P x S x E x C
P= people
S= services per person
E= energy per service
C = carbon dioxide per unit energy
The last one, C, must come down to zero because all the others will increase, even if you slow down the rate of increase.
"Innovating to zero" = creating alternative energy sources that do not produce CO2.
Simple maths: anything x anything x anything x zero = zero.
Population is mentioned as a side note, and he clearly says that even if you slow the rate of increase (the famous 10-15%, which is rate of increase, NOT actual population), it won't change much in the way of CO2 output.
You've made the same mistake as lots of people: you've put quote marks around phrases that YOU invented, not what he actually said. This is very misleading for others, and probably how you got misled yourself. Some people actively edit videos to cut out the bits where he explains himself. Many people obviously don't listen to the end of videos like this one which haven't been edited. If they did, they'd realise it all makes perfect sense and the depopulation stuff is just lies.
Proof: exactly as his figures suggest, the population has INCREASED by a billion since this talk was given. Where's the depopulation there?
So when you say "it's pretty absurd to think he's talking about anything other than lowering population " it just shows you didn't even listen to the end of the equation, let alone the whole talk! It also shows that your maths skills are sadly lacking. Now please, before replying, listen to the talk again, bearing in mind what I've told you. At least listen to the end of the equation; it's only about 5 minutes in.
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@juliobaylac3002 Well thanks! That took some doing, didn't it? The burden of proof was indeed on you, "buddy", since you were the one making the original claims. That's why people responded to your post, asking for a bit of justification.
Unfortunately of course your list is only books, which I'm not about to go out and buy just for the fun. Nothing against books: they constitute interesting references, but are not in themselves sources. They may contain sources: I hope they do! What would have been more immediately useful here in the youtube comments section would be direct links to scientific papers, for example. I know that may sound a bit "convenient", but that's the way it is; I'm not spending a single cent on what will probably be just someone else giving their opinion without any hard data to back them up.
I do know "how it works", I'm not "new to this", but considering how you've chucked insults around up til now, behaving rather childishly, I don't have enough interest in your claims to buy those books.
I've got a degree in Ecology, from a university that houses the UKs Climatic Research Centre (UEA Norwich), the first of its kind in Britain, back in 91. So no, I'm not new to this. Books will just give me more opinions, I want data. I also asked you to sketch out briefly why you think Gates has a depopulation agenda (working very badly apparently since the population has gone up by a billion since his 2010 talk) and why you think vaccines are more profitable than treatments.
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@juliobaylac3002 Funny how you're so aggressive about all this. I did say, didn't I, that in your second post you'd put links which were more of immediate use to me than the books? I also said "Nothing against books: they constitute interesting references, but are not in themselves sources. They may contain sources: I hope they do!" So the "books are no good" that you misquote me as saying ( just like many misquote Gates on population) is false.
This is just the youtube comments section, not a commission, so relax a bit and give us an idea of why you think the "mainstream" view on climate is wrong, and why you think Gates wants to depopulate the Earth.
Again, the burden of giving proof is on you, because you're the one expressing an opinion/idea. If I make lots of claims about the Easter Bunny, giant spaghetti monsters and the Loch Ness Monster it's up to me to prove they exist, not up to you to prove they don't. Many things cannot be disproved; that's just the way stuff works. I can give no evidence to say the Easter Bunny does not exist... but why should I anyway? He doesn't exist. If you come along and claim he does.... you need to prove it.
"And you are right, you should not buy books that go against your prejudice and established understanding of a subject. You don’t want to go through that experience. I get it"
You don't get it though, do you? You're putting words into my mouth.If I'm debating here it's precisely because I'm interested by what information others may have. You must be aware that youtube and google in general use algorithms which guide you in the same direction once you've started looking into something.To break free of that, you need outside links. Hence the importance of debating in the comments section.
I sort of get the impression that you're trying to drown me in references, a bit like Kennedy does on his site... but I will look into them. Quality not quantity is important. You could've just given one or two of each topic for a start. Doesn't matter though; I know how to sort through all that. Would be curious to hear it all summed up briefly in your own words though.
Something tells me I will be disappointed; much as I may try to keep an open mind, your tendency to misquote and jump to conclusions isn't encouraging. It shows a pretty blinkered attitude.
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@niccolodentesani8441 No it's not the same thing. A combination of living conditions and religious influence (acceptability of contraception) make for the smallest families in Europe. Sub-Saharian Africa has the largest.
The difference between children dying or not being born is huge; in the one case, there's immense suffering, and in the other..... well, nothing. If you're talking about a purely statistical effect, then yes, there is still a difference. To make the example, if a family has ten children due to lack of contraception and/or the need for hands to work for the family, maybe three or four will survive (that's just an estimative example, don't take that as hard stats). In European society where survival is pretty much guaranteed, where mechanisation has reduced the need for labour, and religion (or lack of) has permitted contraception, families CHOOSE to have less children, thus bringing down the general expansion rate of the population.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090668/average-household-size-worldwide-by-region/
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@jessedew26
I've just watched this video, and although I haven't gone through all the links provided for it, I've started going through some of them (placing more importance on reading the scientific papers rather than the news articles which just interpret).
The problem with the links provided on polio is that they indicate an overall success of the vaccination programme! If mutant strains cause more effects than wild polio, it's precisely because the vaccination has worked to eradicate wild polio.Here's what they say (briefly; you can read the whole articles to complete):
Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf
"5. Conclusions
The polio eradication programme succeeded in drastically reducing the global spread of this disease, which was achieved through the use of immunization with OPV. While commending this enormous effort at eradication, our observation supports the hypothesis that the frequency of pulse polio administration is directly or indirectly related to the incidence of NPAFP. It is hoped that this finding will help continue efforts at optimizing the dose schedule of OPV administration and result in a reduction in NPAFP—which is a feasible hope, as the incidence of wild polio is currently at an all-time low."
And this one:
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis Than Wild Polio https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
"That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year.
Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease.
"Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."
This one, with regards to malaria:
First Results of Phase 3 Trial of RTS,S/AS01 Malaria Vaccine in African Children https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1102287
"Conclusions
The RTS,S/AS01 vaccine provided protection against both clinical and severe malaria in African children. "
"A malaria vaccine, deployed in combination with current malaria-control tools, could play an important role in future control and eventual elimination of malaria in Africa."
So these papers basically say the opposite of what's being said in the video, which leads me to wonder why they've been included.... unless it's because the poster of this video didn't actually read them?
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@Noartist If you'd followed my comments, I already said I'm not here to dispute about what Bill Gates may or may not be. When you start watching a video after having seen an article, or read a paper or whatever, you do so to get a bit more of an idea of what the subject is, right? So when you watch a video, you go check on the comments to see what other people think; if there's a conflicting view, it might have a link to follow. What I hate about youtube is the algorithms creating the suggestions, which guide you despite yourself towards the same old opinions again and again. The comments section is useful for breaking out of that. But it's only useful if used intelligently. If I do my own quick fact check on the things being said, I come up time and time again with blatant lies, sneaky editing and misconceptions. I'm ranting about what people say he says.When you're confronted with rubbish like this, it puts you off looking up the rest, and discredits anything true which could well be buried under that mound of crap.
What I consistently do in any debate I have is to encourage the use of cited sources, with links, so that the debate can stay interesting and useful. Sometimes I chuck in a bit of my twisted humour, which you either like or don't. Doesn't matter..........in my opinion! By the way, my computer runs on Linux. A detail, because I'm on this very platform talking about how bad it is, but a significant detail none the less. You've got to see the irony of that.
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Nemesis Thanks I was quite proud of that one myself! However, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. On the contrary. Here's a copy of a comment I've already left on a few videos, with always very unsurprising replies!
My predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist:
Here's what will happen, if we debate a bit: You'll say "Bill Gates wants to kill half the population, he was chucked out of India, Melinda is a man." I'll ask you for your sources, you'll either say "google it" or "do your own research" or "I don't give links anymore," or « follow the money », or "watch the Corbett report" or you'll just carry on spouting random rubbish.
Then I'll give you my sources, which clearly show you're wrong, but you'll refuse to read (yes READ, not watch, sorry!), saying it's all just biased reports paid by "Big Pharma". Conveniently for you, everything which doesn't go in your sense is sponsored by Bill Gates, including me and anyone else who disagrees with you. Since "almost all media" is apparently funded by Gates (funny how it includes media from every single country in the world), except what's on youtube (which is ironic because it's mainly thanks to him that we're on youtube in the first place), it's impossible to provide you with any evidence. Yet you will ask repeatedly, saying mine isn't good enough without giving any yourself. You will spout on about how evil he is, with lots of CAPITAL LETTERS (you're probably catholic, so I can understand that anyone who promotes contraception is evil to you, since you haven't evolved from the Dark Ages), and completely ignore anything I say. When I ask if at the very least you use Linux and not Windows, you won't reply.
Am I wrong?
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@synergygirl1209 I'll give it one last shot, and if you still haven't understood I give up. Let me do your homework for you, as you obviously have a problem with it.
First, here are the exact words he uses, which even if isolated, without all the rest of the context, should still be understandable just by applying very simple logic:
"Now the world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 %, but there we see an increase of about 1.3."
Ok up til there?
Now for the complicated bit (too complicated apparently for a number of people, but let's try to make it simple. He explains his equation, saying that one of the values needs to come down close to zero, which provokes laughter from the audience because indeed, if you want to bring the result down to zero, three of the factors can be any value you want, but as long as the fourth is zero, you end up with zero. Something x something x something x zero = zero.
Still ok?
He says the population will go from 6.8 billion to 9 billion, which is by anyone's standards an increase. 9 divided by 6.8 =1.32. He mentions this increase of 1.3 : "we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%, but there we see an increase of 1.3". Note that the ten or fifteen percent corresponds to the 1.3 figure. Reduce the 1.3 by 10-15% and you get 1.13- 1.18. Still an increase in population, but 10- 15% less.
I don't know how it can get any clearer than that really. Especially when he goes on to say that the next two factors should stay high, but the last one (CO2 emission) needs to come right down. Everything he says points to a continued population increase (up to a more stable level of around 9 billion.Others suggest even higher, but that's not the point here).
He adds to all this here (TED 2015):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI
And here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRG-2jurz0
Here's another guy (Hans Rosling) explaining how population will level itself out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usdJgEwMinM
Now I've given you simple explanations, sources to back me up, and I've tried (but I'll admit it's hard) to avoid falling into childish insults and paranoid delusion ("fake person set up by the handlers of youtube" as you so eloquently put it). What have you brought to the discussion? Funny how some people can't resist using that overused word "sheeple". Just using the word speaks volumes in itself!
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@Green However you want to interpret the maths, he' talking about the increase. So when you say he's obsessed with population reduction I say no, sorry: 6.8 to 7 or 8 or 9 is not a reduction in anyone's book!
Sure sterilisation by vaccine is technically possible; so are many things. You just don't mix everything up.You can by all means be concerned about the possibility of something, but you look for evidence, and when you find it you put it out there. As long as you have no evidence, you've got no right to accuse.Investigate, fine, but wait til you've got the answers before wildly speculating.
As for knowing why family size goes down with better living conditions, take a look at this guy, for example, in case you haven't seen the link already further up. It's a bit old now, but shows that Bill Gates is not alone in thinking that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI
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@Green As for the math, you're actually agreeing with me: (the 1.3 increase, cutting by 10-15% to 1.13 or 1.18 is the rate of increase in the population. We're talking about slowing down an increase. It's clearer to say "slowing down an increase" then "reducing an increase", because reduction and increase are opposites that don't fit together well in a sentence. 6.8 to 8.1 is an increase. It's just an increase that takes more time to get to the same level.
He doesn't give a date, so there's no reason to stop at 8.1. That's why I think it's 9 billion from demographic data, and 10-15% refers to the increase rate.
mathematically, what isn't made clear in the talk (because it's not really the main thing he's talking about, or because he assumes we're good at maths!) is what the 1.3 increase corresponds to exactly: is it 1.3 percent of the population by year,? We can probably assume that it is. It would be odd to give a daily or weekly figure...
Whatever, you can't say "population reduction" because it's going up.
If the elite wanted to cut drastically the population, they could've done it by simply not imposing lockdown everywhere (if Covid 19 is really that mortal), or if they're so clever, putting out a really effective virus? The number of deaths has been minimal. Lockdown was all about taking the burden off hospitals, because our governments have all been too stupid to maintain proper health services. This is why we must not forget, must not let them off the hook. Worrying about whether Bill Gates is the Antichrist distracts us from the main issue of bad governing. Investigation sure, always. But don't burn the witch until you've got solid proof.Too much at stake!
(what a pun; proud of myself!)
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@Green While I'm at it, just so that this stuff gets seen in the comments, rather than drowned in all the christian indignation, let me repeat some interesting links:
On polio vaccines in India :
Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf
Brief extract of the conclusions :
"5. Conclusions
The polio eradication programme succeeded in drastically reducing the global spread of this disease, which was achieved through the use of immunization with OPV. While commending this enormous effort at eradication, our observation supports the hypothesis that the frequency of pulse polio administration is directly or indirectly related to the incidence of NPAFP. It is hoped that this finding will help continue efforts at optimizing the dose schedule of OPV administration and result in a reduction in NPAFP—which is a feasible hope, as the incidence of wild polio is currently at an all-time low."
And this one, explaining why the vaccine causes more cases now of polio than the natural strain :
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis Than Wild Polio
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
"That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year. Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease. "Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."
This one, with regards to malaria:
First Results of Phase 3 Trial of RTS,S/AS01 Malaria Vaccine in African Children
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1102287 "Conclusions The RTS,S/AS01 vaccine provided protection against both clinical and severe malaria in African children. " "A malaria vaccine, deployed in combination with current malaria-control tools, could play an important role in future control and eventual elimination of malaria in Africa."
Tetanus and fertility vaccine in Africa:
https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/25-years-on-rumour-by-us-anti-contraceptive-organisation-still-damages-tetanus-vaccine-programmes/
Bill Gates was not chucked out of India : press release from Indian government :
Sorry the direct link doesn't work anymore, but at least you can get to it eventually if you want to check.
click on the Press Information Bureau link:
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1568914
Then write in the date on the left: 8 february 2017, then scroll down underneath through all the other press releases of the day until you get to "press note". It's all in alphabetical order, so easy to find. You will then see on the main window the complete press note. Here's an extract from the end:
"Some media reports have suggested that all health related collaboration with the Gates Foundation with National Health Mission (NHM) has been stopped. This is inaccurate and misleading. BMGF continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare."
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@AshinasBoxing Thanks, "my friend": you just proved me right!
We're on the subject of Bill Gates, and you give me two videos, one about Bush, one about 5G.
I get the point of putting in the Bush one... but it still gives nothing on Gates. Politicians are professional liars. I never said you could trust governments.The other one is a typical youtube video: menacing music, extrapolation, and no sources. You talk about a"great science based video", but if I mention science, you say it's biased, no good lies.
You have proved my point so well, I could imagine it's someone who agrees with me that posted the comment for fun! You even put the sheep bit in! Your "independent sound studies" (which ones exactly?) basically means "non-peer reviewed".
Thanks again, keep up the good work!
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@AshinasBoxing (For anybody else reading all this, disclaimer:
Aeneas Shinas is not paid by me to prove my points, even if it looks that way! The proof of that is there has been no shouting in capital letters.... I therefore suspect him/her of not being a catholic. The word "evil" hasn't cropped up either. I'm almost disappointed. It's made up for though by the almost sublime total ignoring of the Linux question, which I've asked twice! Let's add a third).
Does your computer run on Linux? If you were on a Mac, I think you'd have said so straight away, embarrassing though that might be, because it's kind of hard to say that Steve Jobs is any better than Bill Gates. Am I a Gates "fan"? No. I'm defending science, the quest for truth, critical thinking, useful and intelligent debate, and showing that I'm way better at predictions than Nostradamus ever was! ;)
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@HEART2HEART369 This is ridiculous. If you people can't understand plain English I can't help you. .... but I'll give it one last try, because I'm stubborn.
Deep breath....
Let's look at his exact words:
"Now the world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 %, but there we see an increase of about 1.3."
2010 : 6.8 billion people
2020 : around 7.8 billion
We are going towards 9 billions (more like 10 or 11 based on the last ten years of data), is indeed the growth projection. He says with vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could decrease the GROWTH (of population) by 10-15%. He doesn't say the word growth but because he spoke of 9 billion in the future compared to 6.8B in 2010, the idea is to perhaps not reach asap this 9B. He mentions a "1.3 value", this is an increase of 1.3 (9billion/6.8billion= 1.32) and what he means is to reduce this 1.3 factor by 10-15% (so reaching 1.13 to 1.18 or so instead of *1.3 growth) E) He continues his exposé to find ways to lower the value of S, E and C in his equation.
All the data shows that when you make living conditions better , people CHOOSE to have smaller families.
Now, where do I get all this from? I'll give you some sources:
Improvement in world health and living conditions :
https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview
https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions-in-5-charts
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/10/5250
Stage three demographic transition ( or why population increase slows down with better living conditions):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition#Stage_three
The Best stats you’ve ever seen -Hans Rosling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usdJgEwMinM
Bill Gates explains concept : does saving more lives lead to overpopulation ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRG-2jurz0
I know what you're going to say: this data is "biased and comes from Big Pharma". I challenge you to disprove any of it.... with unbiased data.
Looking through this thread, not one person has come up with any proof whatsoever. Nobody is even capable of understanding that 9 is bigger than 6.8! So if you're even slightly more intelligent than the others here, you should be able to reply with something other than "watch the Corbett Report", "google it", "do your own research", "wake up sheeple".
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@vossmasta That sounds fair enough that you're against defending people who do research in foreign countries, if indeed it really is to avoid regulation. It all depends on whether there' any evidence to support that, or is it just arrangements like with Africa to fund researchers of the particular countries directly, so as not to be accused of keeping them dependent...
As for "why do people defend eugenicists", I'd say what makes you believe he's a eugenicist? I often hear "it's because his father was head of Planned Parenthood". Basically, PP is more about contraception than anything else, isn't it? If contraception is eugenics, then I'm a eugenicist as well!
That's not what eugenics is though.
People get scared when you talk about population control... but what Gates talks about is voluntary action; better conditions makes people want to have smaller families, with no government intervention to oblige them. This seems fine to me: after all, we can't let population go up forever, so if it ends up regulating itself as we improve living conditions, it's a good thing, no?
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@jamesm1736 Here are some papers on the subject, with extracts of the conclusions for those who couldn't be bothered to read all of it:
On polio vaccines in India :
Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf
Brief extract of the conclusions :
"5. Conclusions
The polio eradication programme succeeded in drastically reducing the global spread of this disease, which was achieved through the use of immunization with OPV. While commending this enormous effort at eradication, our observation supports the hypothesis that the frequency of pulse polio administration is directly or indirectly related to the incidence of NPAFP. It is hoped that this finding will help continue efforts at optimizing the dose schedule of OPV administration and result in a reduction in NPAFP—which is a feasible hope, as the incidence of wild polio is currently at an all-time low."
And this one, explaining why the vaccine causes more cases now of polio than the natural strain :
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis Than Wild Polio
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
"That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year. Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease. "Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."
This one, with regards to malaria:
First Results of Phase 3 Trial of RTS,S/AS01 Malaria Vaccine in African Children
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1102287 "Conclusions The RTS,S/AS01 vaccine provided protection against both clinical and severe malaria in African children. " "A malaria vaccine, deployed in combination with current malaria-control tools, could play an important role in future control and eventual elimination of malaria in Africa."
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@jamesm1736 Hi, just to get back to you on your comment: It's not me who said this is not the place to debate vaccines, it was another poster. The sly comments about youtube videos is because like you, I'm here looking for interesting debate, so it's frustrating to be sent links to videos which are often either just truncated versions of the original (sometimes even consciously edited to mislead), or random twenty year olds making wild suppositions with nothing to back them up, if it's not the very same type of video. This leads to a closed circuit which helps nobody, and gets the debate nowhere. Youtube videos are of course useful for getting interested in a subject, because they lead (notably through the comments section) to other equally interesting topics. The youtube algorithms tend to guide us towards following the same stream of ideas though, which I hate! I use the comments section to give me the opposite viewpoint, and go on from there. I don't pretend to be an expert on any of this, which is why I don't post videos giving "the truth about evil Bill".
As for that equation, don't forget he said the population is 6.8 billion and will go up to 9....doesn't sound like reduction of population to me! He continues afterwards by saying that the INCREASE can be slowed. As for getting one of those factors down to zero; it's the last one: CO2, and that's what this talk is all about: finding alternative energy sources.
Maybe he's a monster, maybe not. In any case, my computer runs on Linux!
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@katdevona6127 I admit to poking fun a bit...it's just that all these theories I've seen work in the same way: wild allegations on social media, with no sources cited, or just citing each other, with a bunch of believers calling everyone else "sheeple", and generally ending with "wake up people". If you're really looking for the truth, stop inundating the net with such garbage ( not you, personally, Kat, unless you also post such videos). If you want truth, go to the sources. If you want people to "wake up", guide them to the sources, don't just tell them to look it up themselves; they'll risk to get lost in the rubbish.So you're not anti vaxx; I'm not pro-Gates. My computer doesn't even run on Windows, I use linux. It's hard to know what the "truth" is about any subject; there's so many undercurrents, bias, conflict of interest... that's why you have to push as far as possible in the source material to find out who's just blatantly lying.
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@islammuradov1970 Here are some fun articles on vaccines for you to consider. It might make you see another side to the story.
On polio vaccines in India :
Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf
Brief extract of the conclusions :
"5. Conclusions
The polio eradication programme succeeded in drastically reducing the global spread of this disease, which was achieved through the use of immunization with OPV. While commending this enormous effort at eradication, our observation supports the hypothesis that the frequency of pulse polio administration is directly or indirectly related to the incidence of NPAFP. It is hoped that this finding will help continue efforts at optimizing the dose schedule of OPV administration and result in a reduction in NPAFP—which is a feasible hope, as the incidence of wild polio is currently at an all-time low."
And this one, explaining why the vaccine causes more cases now of polio than the natural strain :
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis Than Wild Polio
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
"That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year. Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease. "Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."
This one, with regards to malaria:
First Results of Phase 3 Trial of RTS,S/AS01 Malaria Vaccine in African Children
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1102287
"Conclusions The RTS,S/AS01 vaccine provided protection against both clinical and severe malaria in African children. " "A malaria vaccine, deployed in combination with current malaria-control tools, could play an important role in future control and eventual elimination of malaria in Africa."
Tetanus and fertility in Africa:
https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/25-years-on-rumour-by-us-anti-contraceptive-organisation-still-damages-tetanus-vaccine-programmes/
Finally, did the Gates Foundation get chucked out of India? No, it didn't. Do I have proof of that? Yes. From the Indian government.
Excuse the convoluted link, but it's the only way I know to see the press release they gave, since it has been archived:
click on the Press Information Bureau link:
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1568914
Then write in the date on the left: 8 february 2017, then scroll down underneath through all the other press releases of the day until you get to "press note". It's all in alphabetical order, so easy to find. You will then see on the main window the complete press note. Here's an extract from the end:
"Some media reports have suggested that all health related collaboration with the Gates Foundation with National Health Mission (NHM) has been stopped. This is inaccurate and misleading. BMGF continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare."
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Whilst your ideas on industry are reasonable, they're not necessarily easy to accomplish. Just "doing" stuff doesn't come with a snap of the fingers.
Now, on to Gates! No, you didn't hear right: vaccines don't lower the population. A combination of factors improving living conditions, including vaccination against disease, mean that people end up having smaller families. They do this of their own free will, like we in the western world already have. The only lowering is of the rate of increase of the population before it stabilises.
Healthcare does not mean abortions, it means what it says. Hospitals, for example. Contraception is part of it, but contraception is not abortion either. One prevents sperm and egg meeting, the other stops a process already engaged. If you have a problem with the idea of contraception, I cannot argue with you that point, we'll go round in circles.But don't get contraception and abortion mixed up.
"No structural electricity in Africa": are you joking here? You do realize that "Africa" is made up of many countries with many stages of development. Ever been to a single African country? If so, you'd notice that it's like anywhere; some places have electricity in every house and some don't. He is concerned by the places that don't. The innovation he's talking about is required in the production of energy, so that everyone can aspire to have the same services, without any reduction of population involved.
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@insanegenius5321 Ok, so if a vaccine kills you, will it be quick or slow? I ask that because if it's quick, people might notice before the whole world gets vaccinated. People would complain, there'd be revolutions, Bill Gates would get his head cut off and fed to Melinda.
So, it had better be slow, because whatever happens, it'll be impossible to distribute the vaccine simultaneously all over the world.
Why not just do it in Africa? After all, that's where the population is exploding the most. Instead of that, "they" have been slowly helping the situation to improve in Africa, saving millions of lives with other vaccines, farming, infrastructure etc.
We don't hear about Africa's population decreasing, do we? So it would seem that the population is still increasing after all... and every theory under the sun is developed to explain how they've been killing us for years...in negative numbers!
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Wow! Getting inundated with links now; way too much to look into today, but I must say I'm happy to see at last some real sources! It took a while... but we've got there in the end! What I've been saying on multiple threads is to stop simply misquoting and citing youtubers, but rather to cite solid evidence from scientific studies, and you've included some here, so no problem with that. Once it gets to that level, I prefer letting the scientists fight it out between themselves.
On polio vaccines in India :
Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf
Brief extract of the conclusions :
"5. Conclusions
The polio eradication programme succeeded in drastically reducing the global spread of this disease, which was achieved through the use of immunization with OPV. While commending this enormous effort at eradication, our observation supports the hypothesis that the frequency of pulse polio administration is directly or indirectly related to the incidence of NPAFP. It is hoped that this finding will help continue efforts at optimizing the dose schedule of OPV administration and result in a reduction in NPAFP—which is a feasible hope, as the incidence of wild polio is currently at an all-time low."
And this one, explaining why the vaccine causes more cases now of polio than the natural strain :
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis Than Wild Polio
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
"That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year. Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease. "Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."
This one, with regards to malaria:
First Results of Phase 3 Trial of RTS,S/AS01 Malaria Vaccine in African Children
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1102287 "Conclusions The RTS,S/AS01 vaccine provided protection against both clinical and severe malaria in African children. " "A malaria vaccine, deployed in combination with current malaria-control tools, could play an important role in future control and eventual elimination of malaria in Africa."
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@jessicadaniels5501 No you haven't understood what he said at all. You showed it when you said population needs to come down near to zero.
"because you can't get the amount of c down to near 0 without the amount of people being there first. The variable that the amount of all the other variables depends upon is the amount of people". That shows that you have no understanding whatsoever. If you can't understand simple algebra I can't help you either. Try it with real numbers, shall we?
Let's replace P by 10, S by 10, E by 10, and C by zero. 10x10x10x0 =0.
7.8 billion x I trillion x ten trillion trillion x 0 = ..........yes, zero.
The CO2 he's talking about is the excess CO2 produced by industry. It's a pretty closed circuit normally, but the constant burning of fossil fuel puts more CO2 into the air than there should be. Add to that deforestation, excessive animal farming, and you get an excess of CO2.
Of course CO2 is useful and necessary and wonderful..... but so is water and if there's too much of it you drown.
Now if you choose to conveniently ignore the points I corrected you on that's fine, don't acknowledge it, even if it is impolite, but don't claim to understand him whilst bringing up points that a ten year old could debunk.
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@abfmkarin "Less people" would have the desired effect, yes. BUT nobody is suggesting that as a reasonable solution because reducing the actual population would involve killing people, which is a very bad idea. As Gates explains, even if the population stabilises eventually, it won't make that much difference, so you have to find other means to get the CO2 down. More people means more agriculture, more forest burning, more cattle etc etc. Your ban on hiking (why hiking, by the way, rather than jet-skis, quads, trial bikes and all the other highly destructive sports practiced in nature?) won't have a whole lot of effect.
So "less people who occupy....is all that needs to be done" is a kind of ridiculous statement, which puts YOU in the position of someone suggesting genocide as a solution.
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Before replying to my comment, which I'm sure you will do being a polite and intelligent person, you'd better read this- it's a post I made a while back, which is knocking around somewhere not too far:
My predicted conversation with any conspiracy theorist:
Here's what will happen, if we debate a bit: You'll say "Bill Gates wants to kill half the population, he was chucked out of India, Melinda is a man." I'll ask you for your sources, you'll either say "google it" or "do your own research" or "I don't give links anymore," or « follow the money », or "watch the Corbett report" or you'll just carry on spouting random rubbish.
Then I'll give you my sources, which clearly show you're wrong, but you'll refuse to read (yes READ, not watch, sorry!), saying it's all just biased reports paid by "Big Pharma". Conveniently for you, everything which doesn't go in your sense is sponsored by Bill Gates, including me and anyone else who disagrees with you. Since "almost all media" is apparently funded by Gates (funny how it includes media from every single country in the world), except what's on youtube (which is ironic because it's mainly thanks to him that we're on youtube in the first place), it's impossible to provide you with any evidence. Yet you will ask repeatedly, saying mine isn't good enough without giving any yourself. You will spout on about how evil he is, with lots of CAPITAL LETTERS (you're probably catholic, so I can understand that anyone who promotes contraception is evil to you, since you haven't evolved from the Dark Ages), and completely ignore anything I say. When I ask if at the very least you use Linux and not Windows, you won't reply.
Am I wrong?
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How to explain simply.....
First, what's the title of the talk? Something about innovating...and zero, no? This means using innovative technology to create energy sources that don't emit CO2.
Solar power for example, or wind power, emit no CO2 (except at the construction phase).
Next, that equation:
CO2 = P x S x E x C
P= people
S= services per person
E= energy per service
C = carbon dioxide per unit energy
The last one, C, must come down to zero because all the others will increase, even if you slow down the rate of increase.
"Innovating to zero" = creating alternative energy sources that do not produce CO2.
Simple maths: anything x anything x anything x zero = zero.
Conclusion: vaccines do not in any way reduce CO2 output from industry. Vaccines are part of the process of stage 3 demographic transition, whereby people have less children because of better living conditions and education. This slows down population growth a little. As he says, that makes an insignificant difference to CO2 emissions, so it's the energy production that has to produce zero CO2.
Does that still sound dumb to you?
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@ianmcdonald8648 Pollution of the atmosphere is definately a major concern... although you must be careful when talking about toxic substances, because it's the quantity that is important, not just the presence. These substances are present everywhere, and often naturally, so it's the amount that makes it toxic or not. As for the "other side of the story"... you can only consider it if there really is another side.
The subject is more often "how can we produce energy better?" because we all know that nobody wants to sacrifice their living standards, so the idea is to find out how we can do the same stuff, but cleaner. Developing countries want to follow our model; they want cars, TVs etc and don't see why they shouldn't have them, like us. Quite rightly so. So the question is, how do we give people what they want, but safely, and with the lowest possible impact on the planet.
Forget about the media, whether it be "mass" or "alternative"; you'll never get the whole story from them. Concentrate on the actual science.The real debate is there. There's free, easy access to all the major scientific journals.Those are the people you know what they're talking about.
If you think they're all corrupt and untrustworthy, stop using any invention that comes from science (including your computer) and return to being a hunter-gatherer, because even the most ancient agriculture is science, and playing with genetic selection.
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@ianmcdonald8648 The whole point of science is not to place trust in any one person. It's not perfect, but it's the best system we have for the moment, with the highest chance of approaching something we might call truth. A person may be biased, but if he produces results from an experiment that you or anyone else can reproduce, it confirms his work. If only he can get a result, it's probably wrong for some reason. Peer reviewed journals exist specifically to weed out the bad apples, whether it be bias, corruption, human error, whatever. No other system we have works like that.It's precisely because people are not infallible that we need the scientific method. Science functions in community, sharing information, constantly re-testing, re-analysing, checking and counter-checking.It's even capable of admitting it's wrong, something no politician would ever do! (only half joking).
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@johnkerr99 "Most people" know what he is talking about and therefore have not posted comments. Millions have not interpreted like you. You quoted dishonestly because you cut the last bit of the sentence, the "but there we see an increase of about 1.3". You detailed everything up til then.... and then stopped conveniently. Why not finish the equation, where he gets to "C" and says it will be the key element?
It really is just simple logic and simple algebra. He says himself that one of the elements needs to be pretty close to zero.... which is "C". Innovating to zero, remember? Title of the talk. Funny how this time you put it in, but not at first. So that is simple logic. 6.8 going up to 9 is an increase, so doesn't bring us any closer to zero. That's exactly what has happened ten years later: we're now at 7.8 billion, so he was right; the population is still increasing.It is dishonest to painstakingly give a detailed time line up to a point and then stop before the end... where all the important part is.
You said " One Wish: "... if I could pick a vaccine, which is something I love."
Why did you say that? You strung together two things without mentioning that the one wish is not vaccines.It is dishonest to do that, because you know many people will just believe you because it looks detailed (he gives the timeline so it must be true!). Same principle as videos with shock titles but no actual content. Many people don't read beyond headlines. So yes, I call that dishonest.
Basically, the only thing you're basing your view on is the Corbett Report, right? That guy is just joining dots that don't necessarily have any reason to be joined. He uses the same tactic of half quotes, leaving out important parts, citing other articles as sources... and is making himself plenty of money with all this. By the way, it's called "Meet Bill Gates".
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@johnkerr99 Ok for the point on Zuckerberg.
Strange though how everyone criticises Bill Gates for his level of control in the WHO, but now you show me that Monsanto and the WHO are in conflict. From the Global Research article:
"However, on 20 March the World Health Organisation reached a decision that strikes at the heart of the company. The WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) said that glyphosate was “classified as probably carcinogenic to humans.” This is just one step below the risk designation of “known carcinogen.”
Isn't that evidence that just funding something doesn't necessarily make you control it? Even if you take into account that pretty much anything is considered as a "probable carcinogen", including coffee, for example.
You seem to reduce the whole argument now to one of media control, so conveniently permitting you to ignore whether there's evidence or not for an occurrence (such as sterilisation with tetanus jabs).
If money was really the only driving force, I wonder why homeopathy does not take an even bigger part of the market. After all, it's just sugar and water, so should theoretically be the most profitable "drug" possible. It already holds too big a place in my opinion anyway, but should be a real goldmine...
As for the "coincidence" of Event201 being a month before the outbreak, that seems to me as exactly that; coincidence. If it was one year before, or one week, people would say the same thing. The signs have been there for years, it was time to do something. Why consider it suspicious and not lucky? If there was no exercise people would say it was inadmissible to not have done a drill, proof that THEY want to reduce population!
Like I said, I go along with what was said, because there's so much stupidity on social media that it is a real concern and has real effects on lives. They were saying that "control" is not good, but that the information needs to get out. What's wrong with that? If you've got some religious nuts saying that Gates is the Antichrist and nobody should be vaccinated against anything, than yes, they need to be called out.
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On polio vaccines in India :
Correlation between Non-Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis Rates with Pulse Polio Frequency in India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf
Brief extract of the conclusions :
"5. Conclusions
The polio eradication programme succeeded in drastically reducing the global spread of this disease, which was achieved through the use of immunization with OPV. While commending this enormous effort at eradication, our observation supports the hypothesis that the frequency of pulse polio administration is directly or indirectly related to the incidence of NPAFP. It is hoped that this finding will help continue efforts at optimizing the dose schedule of OPV administration and result in a reduction in NPAFP—which is a feasible hope, as the incidence of wild polio is currently at an all-time low."
And this one, explaining why the vaccine causes more cases now of polio than the natural strain :
Mutant Strains Of Polio Vaccine Now Cause More Paralysis Than Wild Polio
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
"That eradication effort has been incredibly successful. In 1988, when the campaign began, there were 350,000 cases of polio around the world each year compared with the six so far this year. Zaffran credits the oral polio vaccine with getting the world incredibly close to wiping out a terrible disease. "Four regions of the world have totally eradicated the disease with the use of the oral polio vaccine," he notes. "Of course we need to recognize that there have been a few cases of children paralyzed because of the vaccine virus, which is regrettable. But, you know, from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk."
This one, with regards to malaria:
First Results of Phase 3 Trial of RTS,S/AS01 Malaria Vaccine in African Children
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1102287 "Conclusions The RTS,S/AS01 vaccine provided protection against both clinical and severe malaria in African children. " "A malaria vaccine, deployed in combination with current malaria-control tools, could play an important role in future control and eventual elimination of malaria in Africa."
Tetanus and fertility in Africa:
https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/25-years-on-rumour-by-us-anti-contraceptive-organisation-still-damages-tetanus-vaccine-programmes/
Other stuff
Bill Gates was not chucked out of India : press release from Indian government :
(the direct link to this no longer works, because it looks like they've archived it, but it's still accessible)
click on the Press Information Bureau link:
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1568914
Then write in the date on the left: 8 february 2017, then scroll down underneath through all the other press releases of the day until you get to "press note". It's all in alphabetical order, so easy to find. You will then see on the main window the complete press note. Here's an extract from the end:
"Some media reports have suggested that all health related collaboration with the Gates Foundation with National Health Mission (NHM) has been stopped. This is inaccurate and misleading. BMGF continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare."
Sorry the direct link doesn't work anymore, but at least you can get to it eventually if you want to check.
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