Comments by "joe public" (@joepublic3933) on "WatchMojo.com" channel.

@alexanderschmoldt2982 I think he's been having a discussion with an imaginary interlocutor... Reading your thread, there's not much of a link between what you say and what he says at all!
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@veritty6828 It does seem to be deeply rooted in our culture. Women sexualise themselves permanently; just look at most social media profile photos... It goes right through society on every level. Clothes are made figure-hugging, revealing cleavage or thigh or belly... Hang on.... stop! There's a problem there. Don't men sexualise themselves too? Look at their profile photos too. Men don't show cleavage.... but a good firm bicep or two... In movies, male heroes are usually the stereotype female fantasy of a strong man who takes no sh*t from the enemies, but is gentle with the ladies (except when she wants her hair pulled and her ass smacked)! The typical male hero quickly gets his shirt ripped, to show off his muscles, in the same way as the female heroine gets her skirt ripped off and finishes the film in her underwear. Our two bunny rabbit examples are a little different though. Bugs doesn't seem sexualised at all. Clothes do a lot of the sexualising, as well as the body form. Why are breasts so sexualised? What makes a woman's nipple unfit for youtube (although a machete attack or fatal crash is ok), but a man's is no problem? We're allowed to see the whole of the woman's breast, but not the nipple! Completely ridiculous, isn't it? Personally I think naturism is good: getting rid of clothes desexualises our bodies and makes us more equal. It forces you to accept your own body as well. Can't hide behind baggy clothes. Of course you can't be naked all the time, but it's a good experience.
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Maria Salinas Unfortunately your last two replies have been deleted it would seem, so I've only seen the first bit of them, but you seem to have misread what I said: male heros in films are represented as the combination of superman who can beat all the enemies but is a perfect gentleman at the same time. You still maintain that showing cleavage is in no way sexual, which I disagree with. By the same logic, buttocks are in the same category. A plunging line like a cleavage on the buttocks would be seen how? My point is, functional clothing is not designed to reveal bits particularly, it's just there to be practical and comfortable. As soon as you start revealing more than "necessary", it changes the function of the clothing. For example, if a man is wearing a tee shirt, nothing is being "presented". Put him in a vest, and you're exposing much more of the upper arm and shoulder. He'd be seen in a different light in a meeting if he came in with bulging muscles on display. See the similarity now? What purpose does it have, for you, to wear clothes that show cleavage? I'd say it's a way of saying "hey everybody, look at this". Maybe for you, breasts have no sexual importance.... but for at least half the population they do. Even then, whether something is "sexual" or not is pretty irrelevant; it's visible, so it's something people see and therefore look at. If someone ha s beautiful hair I might well look at it during a conversation, because it's there in front of me and "nice" to look at. We are also inevitably attracted to big flashing neon signs.... but that doesn't mean they're sexual. You can go on deluding yourself that showing cleavage is uniquely for yourself (pure narcissism, then) or you can admit it's to have an effect on other people, even if it's just "oh, she looks nice". You'll notice that generally speaking, mens' clothing doesn't have holes cut out or slits or whatever to show particular parts of the body.That should tell you something.
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Maria Salinas "a cleavage isn’t automatically sexualizing yourself" Really?
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Maria Salinas The same thing that men have to complain about?
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Maria Salinas I see another comment has come up, but been deleted again...
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Maria Salinas ""joe public youre talking about boobs and everything being sexual..boy..half the population? Ask any woman..boy, I’m a woman..we women know why we show " You're not reading what I say: Even if it isn't sexual, it's still "showing off bits". I maintain that boobs do have an interest to men, and some women, and to the rest of women for other reasons. That's why I said more than half of the population. Unfortunately, the most interesting bit of your reply was cut off.... so why do women like to show?
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Maria Salinas So why exactly do you wear such things? Please don't just say "because it looks nice" or "because I like it": try to look deeper than that. Also, if you're aware of the reaction you'll get, you can't just pretend it's not the case. I know that if I show up to work with my shirt unbuttoned to show off my hairy chest, I'll get looked at and people will react differently to if I had a fully buttoned shirt. Like I said further up, it's not even necessarily sexual... just different, so provokes reaction. Why would I unbutton my shirt? At the collar for comfort, sure. Further than that is not for comfort, it's going in a different direction: there's a message, whether it be consciously or not. Maybe standing, or power, in some cases: "I'm the boss, so I don't wear a tie and I'm very relaxed and confident", for example. It's a message to others.
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Maria Salinas Don't expect rapid replies from me I've got a slow connection!
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Maria Salinas "men shouldn’t sexualize every breath we take so much...that is what we women hte" Maybe women should understand how men function.... and stop sexualising themselves so much to play that game constantly. If I go through my facebook or Instagram contacts, many more of the women put profile photos of themselves (men often have other things than themselves as a profile pic, but let's not generalise too much...!), and they use "flattering" angles to put themselves in the best light (you know; angling up the head so the chin points up and there's no double-chin, taking from the side to give best profile etc). All about looks. Most men couldn't be bothered. This should tell you something about how we function, the two sexes. I could go over the top and say why do you have to dress so provocatively all the time? Ffs, even in sport you have to wear incredibly figure hugging stuff; can't you just wear a tracksuit like us, instead of showing your cameltoe in yoga pants, seriously? Only joking there.... but only half joking! Maybe the difference is that in Western society, men basically say "dress how you like, we'll just deal with it; be yourselves." Women basically say "you must change to fit our concept of how you should be". Stop trying to change others and learn to accept them as they are and work with that.
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Maria Salinas You're doing it again: giving me no actual answer. I ask again, why do you dress in certain ways? If it's not for men (which I never said it was specifically) but for you, then why exactly? What is so important for you to show cleavage? It's not for men, not for other women, it's just for you... but what exactly? So you can see your own breasts and say "oh I'm so happy with these"? I thought I'd been clear about what is provocative or not... but let me try to be clearer. Very very tight fitting clothes I call provocative because they can even go as far as outlining your sexual organs. Provocative is showing parts of the anatomy that aren't exposed in "normal" clothes (read shirt, tee-shirt, trousers, skirt whatever) which just serve a function. You ask me why you have to wear provocative.... and I reply that's precisely my point: you don't have to, so why do you? Again, please don't just say "because I want to": that's not an answer.
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Maria Salinas Let me give you an example: If I wear my favourite "f*ck da police" tee-shirt, I do it because I like the soft cotton it's made of, I like the way it hangs on me, I like the colour... I think it makes me look "cool" (which in other words means attractive to women, or at least those women that interest me, and cool, impressive, hardcore whatever to other men. That's the message I'm carrying on me. BUT!! I must be aware that any policeman I pass will react accordingly, whether I want them to or not. So, do I dream of an ideal world where I can wear whatever statement I like on my shirt with no consequences, or do I just take into consideration that it's ok to wear that shirt out with friends, but not ok to wear it for a lecture at the local police convention? Please note: this is not an apology for rape: I'm absolutely not saying that the girl in the short skirt "asked for it". Big difference between rape and being looked at. The short skirt definitely is an invitation to look at your legs though. You cannot honestly tell me that a mini skirt is more comfortable and practical to wear than a long flowing skirt: you have to pay attention when you sit down, cross legs etc... so if you wear it it's for a reason. "To feel good", yeah... but what does "feeling good" mean?
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Maria Salinas Crossed messages... but do you get how I explain for the t-shirt, but you don't? I give a list of potential reasons (like for the unbuttoned shirt), but all you say is ' "because I like it". Why, why do you like it?? What sensations does it give you? Power, prestige, feeling like you're loved by the human race? I'm also saying get real, and stop ignoring half the population when you dress.
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Maria Salinas Now, can you give me one valid reason for showing cleavage? I can actually name one valid reason, which isn't showing off or provocation, which you haven't mentioned, so let's see if you've got any kind of answer other than "because."
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Maria Salinas "it fits me and my fashion and how I am" tells me absolutely nothing. Fashion is at least partly about fitting in with your peers, or making a statement of individuality, for example. So if it's fitting in, it's about feeling comfortable in your surroundings and reassured that you're not attracting undue attention by your difference. It can also be seeking attention from others (sexual or not) because you feel a little insecure... or because you've got something to say (Lady Gaga in meat costume for example. Was it her? Can't remember... whatever).
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Maria Salinas "joe public „cant you just wear a tracksuit like us instead of showing your cameltoe“ boy we don’t fucking do it for you!!! What cant you understand?? I don’t fucking wear " Another deleted comment... but the question remains (unless you answered it in the cut off bit). Why the tight leggings and not a tracksuit? Maybe more comfortable? So why is it less common for men to wear such things? That sort of shows a difference, no? Wear a tracksuit and you won't be worrying about whether to wear a thong to not have a line going across your buttocks... which is of course entirely for your benefit and not for those who see you from behind.... :)
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Maria Salinas Maybe it's a question of environment... I live in the countryside, where most of my female friends wear little or no makeup, dress in actual comfortable practical clothes, and know full well why women dress in certain clothes. They openly admit it in front of men because they don't feel threatened in any way. They know a little how men think, and we know how they think too. Everyone is fine with that. There's no denial. Maybe it's all more easy-going because we know where we stand with each other and there's way less inappropriate hassling of women than in cities? Come here complaining that some guy oggled your cleavage and you'll get laughed at.
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Maria Salinas "joe public i didn’t say women like to show did I?? " You didn't, but yes, women do like to show. Difficult to deny that... and it's ok; I have no problem with that.
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Maria Salinas "joe public its like asking a goth why they dress like that..its because they like it..its them being themselves..i show cleavage because I like it..goths dress like that because they like it..whats so hard for you to understand??" I'll tell you why Goths dress like that. They're following a fashion to fit in with a crowd basically, because they feel more comfortable with their peers, feeling a certain recognition. The clothes are a form of badge, saying "I like a certain type of music, and beyond that a certain lifestyle". The ample cleavage in amny Goth women's costumes is related directly to the gothic period dress which is recreated today. That's how aristocratic women (and others) dressed at that time in history, and it's that period that Goths like aesthetically. They may also simply be imitating their favourite artists because imitation is a form of appreciation. I may have left things out, but basically that's a reply. "Because I want to" is not a valid reply. See the difference?
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Maria Salinas For the skirt, it's obviously not solely an invitation, nor even necessarily primarily an invitation..... but it's a factor. Why are you wearing that short skirt?
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Maria Salinas "joe public i am not walking with leggings wanting to be provocative..yet you think like that..see the problem?" You may not want to be provocative, but you should be conscious that you're not alone in the world and it may be seen as being provocative. If I walk down the street naked, I may not want to be provocative..... but I'm aware that I am. Tight fitting clothing, or with revealing bits has the same effect; it creates an illusion of a naked body or shows parts of it.
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Maria Salinas Oh and, reading back through the comments, I wonder how you know that movie characters are oversexualised if you don't consider that a tight fitting catsuit showing ample cleavage is sexualising? Maybe they dress like that "because they want to"?
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Maria Salinas "joe public baby thats how society puts it..as „sexualized“..is it really tho? Nah" Is that all you've got, darling? I don't really get you there...
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Maria Salinas You've got a real problem with your comments vanishing. I got: ""joe public what?? How not?? Is all I got? Isn’t it the truth tho? Even you say it..our naked bodies aren’t necessarily sexual at all..society sexualized many " So I don't know if you elaborated on that or not...but whatever. Society is made up of women and men as far as I know. Sexualisation comes a lot from clothes, and how they are worn (or not!), but it's also something that can have different forms. A man can be sexualised by over-exaggerating his virility, for example (basically, being a super-hero in this case), which is something many if not most women find attractive (or sexy). If women are more attracted by a man's actions than his looks, that's still partly sexual. It doesn't necessarily generate arousal, but it's part of sexualisation.It's just that it's not entirely the same sexualisation for men as for women.
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Maria Salinas "joe public i think you know what kind of sexualization I am talking about and its mostly the visual one..the one with the looks and clothes and such.." Yeah......and?
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Maria Salinas I've given you my conclusions, you've not answered my questions (unless the replies were deleted).
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Maria Salinas I'm not going to recopy them for you. It's all written here, for f**ks sake!
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@markwhitaker574 If you consider it a waste that's your problem. It interested you enough to read it....
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@markwhitaker574 Aren't you lucky!
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@markwhitaker574 If it bothers you just right click on it and deactivate the notifications.
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Maria Salinas I'm not going to recopy them for you. It's all written here, for f**ks sake.... as I've already said. Here's a helping hand: the bits with a question mark at the end are generally questions.
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Maria Salinas Nope. Nothing deleted. I can see it all. Try harder.
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Maria Salinas Stop trolling.
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Maria Salinas There's no hope for you, if you're not even capable of noticing that I've already told you what constitutes a reply, I've already told you that you didn't answer my questions, already explained that "because I want to" means nothing, but I can drive it in further by saying it's the kind of answer I'd expect from a five year old. I've told you about your deleted comments, copied the bits I could see in my notifications, mentioned that maybe you replied but it was deleted. But all that you can see for yourself if you look back through the comments that are there.Have fun.
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It was Jabba the Hut that did it for me.... I'm still in therapy today!
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My sister used to think exactly the same thing.... ...then I realized I've never had a sister.
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Maria Salinas Being a sex symbol is not limited to the clothes you wear. George Clooney doesn't generally wear very sexualising clothes.... but he's definitely a sex symbol.
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Maria Salinas Funny you should say that.... after all the conversation we've had, do you understand what I've been saying to you? No girl is complaining about men being sexualised... because it's just normal! Men sexualise women, women sexualise men. Each in their own way, sure, but they both do it. That's kind of why men and women exist. If everyone can just realise that and accept it, there'd be less problems. Stop pretending that how you dress does not have an effect on others.
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Maria Salinas It seems your replies are getting deleted, but I got ""joe public men sexualize wimen and women men yes..but men sexualized women way too much and women don’t like to be sexualized by every fucking step they " What I've been trying to say, is that just because women don't like it doesn't mean it will magically go away. I could easily say men don't like to NOT sexualise women.... should you be forced to comply? No. All you can do is accept the other for what they are. Again, as I've already said, there's a difference between glancing/thinking and catcalling/groping. If you can understand a glance and deal with it (difficult to establish a limit, but glance does not equal stare), everyone lives fine. Protesting that men are being men won't get you anywhere apart from being permanently angry. This is not to say that excessive sexualising can not happen, as in some of the cases given here (especially Lola bunny, I'd say).
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Maria Salinas " "joe public you said that normalizing being more naked and such,makes us more equal and desexualizes us"" Definitely. Big difference though between total nudity and partial. It's clothes that do an awful lot of the sexualising I think. What is covered is mysterious and therefore something you can wish to see/ fantasize about. This can be as much pure curiousity as sexual interest. Anything that brings attention to the body basically: jewellery included. Difficult to define a limit between sexual and sensual also... A friend of mine told me about the naturist beaches in the seventies, and how he saw it change from being naked hippies in family, to women in high heels with gold chains and men with medallions! A very different view of nudity...
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