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Comments by "Yerris" (@yerri5567) on "Why Hong Kong Is Rising Up (HBO)" video.
Banjamin Icc Do you even know the extradition bill in detail? Why do you fear it? It clearly states that there wont be any political extraditions and that HK courts has the final say whether they will go ahead with an extradition.
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@banjamin8586 Errr no. Clearly youve been brainwashed on what the extradition bill is about. It must be a crime in HK as a prerequisite for an extradition request to move forward. Moreover, the crime must be jail time of minimum 7 years in HK (if committed in HK) for the extradition request to move forward. That means, since speaking against the government is not illegal in HK, it is not valid for PRC to demand an extradition request for someone speaking against the government. And even if it does become a crime, the crime must be minimum 7 years worth of jail time in the HK for them to extradite anyone to PRC. So tell me, whats there to fear again? HK independent courts have the final say.
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@banjamin8586 The "other crimes" you speak of MUST be a crime in HK before the extradition can take place. And the crime must serve at least 7 years in HK before its even considered. No one trusts the judicial system of China, but you can trust the judicial system of HK right? Because HK has the final say whether or not this extradition request can go through or not.
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@banjamin8586 So really, theres nothing to fear. Its literally to just close the legal loophole of REAL criminals.
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@banjamin8586 Im talking about the final say on the extradition request of the criminal, not the final say on the extradition bill itself. The independent HK courts have the final say on each extradition request of said criminal.
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@SerafinaLorelei You havent read it clearly then. Because no where in the extradition bill does it cause HKers any harm. It is criminals that should worry, not everyday HKers. Even if you speak against the CCP it does not fall under the requirements to extradite anyone. Political "crimes" are exempt in this bill. There is no loss of freedom. You still have your freedom of speech etc.
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@jinkazama496 They dont lose any freedom. If someone tells you they do, its propaganda. Its an extradition bill to fix some loopholes in the legal system.
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@banjamin8586 The real problem is educating HKers the actual extradition bill itself. Because it is not as HKers fear, theres no loss of freedom and whatnot. All this fear and protests disrupting the economy and local businesses and people getting hurt all for misunderstanding of the bill itself. And all these people blindly "supporting HK" just because theres a protest, when really everyone should be supporting the closure of legal loopholes for criminals.
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@banjamin8586 I don't think so. Loopholes are everywhere. Nothing is perfect in the first round of drafting. That is why theres always amendments in everything. So you agree that if a HKer goes to Mainland China, Taiwan or Macau, kills someone then come back to HK, nothing will happen to him/her? And vice versa? That to me is a loophole, especially in the same country.
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@banjamin8586 Yes. And the reason for the retaliation like I mentioned earlier is because of the lack of understanding, or misunderstanding on the bill amendment, which caused fear among the locals. Spread by word of mouth, the fear becomes even more rampant. But in reality HKers have no loss of freedom. Anyone that faces extradition to the Mainland must also have committed an equivalent crime in HK with at least 7 year jail time for any extradition request to be considered. Most HKers dont know that and protest without knowing that.
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@banjamin8586 Section 3A (5) For the purposes of this Ordinance, an offence by a person against the law of a prescribed place is a relevant offence against that law if— (a) the offence is punishable under that law with imprisonment for more than 3 years, or any greater punishment; and (b) the acts or omissions constituting the conduct in respect of which the person’s surrender to that place is sought amount to conduct which, if the conduct had occurred in Hong Kong, would constitute an offence that is— (i) *a specified Schedule 1 offence * ; (ii) triable in Hong Kong on indictment; and (iii) punishable in Hong Kong with imprisonment for more than 3 years , or any greater punishment Its been since amended to be 7 years now. But I cant seem to find that copy.
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@banjamin8586 Yes, I agree. But it happens in every government, policies get amended without the public knowing till someone makes a big deal out of it, which is what happened. But in this case it was off fear due to a misunderstanding of the bill. Couple that with distorted facts through word of mouth and you get what you see in HK. Im honestly dumbfounded by why the government and media still havent clarified such a thing to ease tensions. And theres no such thing as "true" democracy. Even the US and UK dont have it for a good reason.
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@bushtrash2286 Mate just google it. Its the truth.
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@bushtrash2286 "All the way"? So you support people for misunderstanding the bill? Because this misunderstanding of the bill is the root cause of all these disruptions on roads and people getting hurt from it.
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@bushtrash2286 Lam did not sign the bill. Lam proposed the bill. "if I lived in Hong Kong, I would be very worried about being sent to China to stand trial" Whats there to worry about if you didnt commit any crime? Only criminals should worry. But yes, lets all be friends instead of hate and anger in this world.
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