Comments by "Yerris" (@yerri5567) on "How China Won the Electric Vehicle Race" video.

@GainingDespair Thats not how startups work. A startups valuation can be in the hundreds of millions (like Tesla) before profits are even seen. Whether its through subsidies of through raising capital or some sort, its their strategy to lay their foundation of their business before focusing on "profits". Just because theyre not "profiting" now, doesnt mean their business model wont be in the future. Tesla is a prime example in this industry.
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@GameFuMaster He did not mention the word "spontaneous". Combustion engine cars do in fact cause a lot of car fires in the US.
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@ifthen1526 What did Vietnam do? People across the world are buying Chinese EVs. I never even heard of a Vietnamese car in any major country lol
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@GainingDespair "Tesla is not a Chinese company" He didnt say Tesla is a Chinese company. He said the company made a profit in China. Theres a difference. "BYD is 20 years, its not start up, nor is every company comparable to Tesla. They are false equivalents" He didnt say BYD is a startup. In fact he didnt speak about startups at all. Im going to assume youre speaking to me since Im the one that spoke of startups. Firstly, I also never mentioned BYD is a startup. But of the 500 EV companies mentioned in the videos I bet you 99% of them were. Secondly, startups are startups. Just because theyre now incomparable to Tesla, doesnt mean theyre not startups nor that their business model isnt doesnt work for them. This business model of utilising subsidies, capital or funding of some sort to lay the foundation of their business in the first few years instead of focusing on profits is extremely common in the startup space. In fact, most successful tech companies use this strategy.
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@solon5123 "And car batteries are highly volatile making cars commonly burst on fire everywhere. This is very common to see a graveyard like that burning because of poor quality batteries. "This is also very common to see a car in a street or in a closed garage take on fire also" There are no known car graveyards catching on fire in China. And its more common to see traditional combustion engine cars catch fire. Just look at the stats. Combustion engine cars are 20x more likely to catch fire than EVs. "This cars don't have the quality nor safety required to be used in a western country and western manufacturers are not held to the same quality standards as Chinese ones making them by default uncompetitive" Wrong. You clearly don know what youre talking about here. The Chinese cars sold in the US all already passed US safety standards. He was only speaking about them not being qualified for subsidies as the batteries were not made in the US and its minerals not processed by an ally. "Since EV's goal is to protect and better the environment my question is who is winning with the mass amount of graveyards polluting soils because of battery leakage going in the grounds and water reserves?" No, thats the countrys goal, not the EV manufacturers goal. EV car companies goals are ultimately profit, just like every other company in this world. Their "values" may or may not align to that. Moreover, since when did parking EVs on land "pollute" soils with battery leakage? Why must you assume unused cars cause battery leakages? And one that leaks into water reserves at that? Theyre parked no where near dams for goodness sake, and Chinese dont even drink ground water.
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@jonadabtheunsightly Youve been misinformed. The LONG TERM environmental costs (production and usage) of EVs are LOWER than that of combustion engine cars, even when the batteries are powered by coal fire. Moreover, not all electricity (that powers the batteries) is generated from fossil fuels, but 100% of combustion engines are generated from fossil fuels.
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@solon5123 "I can show you many videos of EV cars getting on fire in the street, parking and garage" Not once did I deny EVs cant catch fire. I said combustion engine ares are MORE LIKELY to catch fire than EVs. The research says it all, just search the strings "combustion engine vs EV catch fire". "I can also show you some videos of car graveyards on fire." And I specifically said car graveyards IN CHINA. You know? The ones filled with EVs and not combustion engines from other countries? "Combustion cars catch fire way less than EV's by natural causes. If you let a combustion car alone outside there is no chance it bust on fire by itself, it can catch fire by external influence sure. So far what you are saying is wrong" Whats "natural causes"? So far all the data and research points to the fact that combustion engine cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs. And how convenient of you to use the "lets leave it alone" point. How about I specially use the point "when humans are driving inside car" point, combustion engines is more likely to catch fire more than EVs, which is MUCH MORE dangerous that just catching fire while being "left alone". "Next point, governments subsides companies to make EV's. When you get money form the government to accomplish something, your goal is to do that thing" Make electrical cars is the point. A governments agenda is not the companys agenda. Just like how subsidies to individuals during an economic downturn used to stimulate the economy, is not the same agenda as the receivers agenda. An individual would give no thought to "stimulate the economy", theyll use it on whatever they need to use it on. "For battery leakage, this is not an assumption this is know" You speak as if the leakage is like liquid. Its not. It does not "drip". So theres zero change of any "leakage" to even leave the car, let alone hit the soil to "pollute" it. So youre just imagining things at this point. So all that point on polluting ground water is invalid. Your point on river contamination although is valid, its off topic. It has nothing to do with battery leakages.
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@skandy6847 Fun fact: combustion engine cars are at least 20x more likely to catch fire than EVs
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@ShumonM Based on your logic, no race is ever "over" as theres no finish line...They obviously won the EV race in 2023 which is what Im assuming this video is about. No other country comes close to competing with China other than one company from the US, Tesla. The rest simple dont have the infrastructure ready to produce EVs at mass scale, at least not within the next 5 years. And even if they made a decision today, China would have another 5 years to mass produce their cars to further bring down their costs, which is another advantage. Other advantages being another 5 years of R&D. R&D is crucial when it comes to battery tech. While others are focused on Lithium batteries, China is now focused on Sodium batteries. A much more lower cost and environmentally friendlier battery (albeit with lower yields but still acceptable for most). So you could say, for at least the next 5 years, China has won the EV race. Even if something unexpected happens like US accusing say BYD of another "national security threat" like Huawei ha!
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@danieljohnson2005 Fun fact: Combustion engine cars are 20x more likely to catch a fire than EVs!
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@danieljohnson2005 "What’s funny is I just know you’re going to, conveniently, forget about this conversation in ten years when all of the Chinese EV companies are gone." Im conveniently forgetting what? Its common knowledge that most businesses fail after 3 years. Or was I meant to mention that common knowledge here as well? Moreover, most of the the EV companies died out in China due to the sudden change in EV policies the government imposed. That would be categorised as a "sovereign risk", an uncontrollable one at that.
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@westrim Never heard of such a brand
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@MahanFan1 Look carefully. Its slightly blued. Meaning slightly left leaning.
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@solon5123 "I would like to see the studies you have seen" As I said, just search the strings "combustion engine vs EV catch fire" and youll have a never ending list of factual data for you tor read. "and there are many others that are not properly peer reviewed" Lol peer reviewed. This is not a "scientific study" thats "discovering" something new. Its factual data from actual combustion of engines from combustion engines and EVs. "I've never seen a combustion engine burn by itself while I've seen two electric ones do" Ive never said "by itself". Obviously something triggered it. Different technologies catch fire in different ways. We have to look at the end result, and the result shows a much higher proportion of combustion engines cars catching fire than to electric cars. "Yes I have seen EV cars on fire in graveyards in China" Please show me a car graveyard catching fire in China, thanks. "You are missing something. Governments want to improve the environment. Making an EV car is a way of improving the environment. If by making the car you destroy the primary purpose you by default don't have to make the car in the end because it didn't serve the original purpose." You said it yourself, its the GOVERNMENT that wants to improve the environment, thats the governments agenda, not the companys agenda. And your subsequent point is irrelevant to my point, as my point was that thats the governments agenda, not the companies,. The companys agenda is to make a profit. Their company mission may or may not have to be the same with the governments. For example, I myself could start a "green" company if the government decided to heavily subsidise "green" companies that support "green" initiatives that lower greenhouse gases. But my agenda is to make a profit for my company, Im in it to win and make a fortune. My companys goals dont be the same as the governments, as long as its "green" my company will qualify for free money. Thats our agenda. Attaining easy money to start a business without having to pay back a loan or fork our ownership of our company. If what our company does "destroys" the primary purpose of the governments, then thats none of our business, thats for the government to deal with. Our business is getting the green light for those sweet subsidies. Get it the difference in agendas? "Batteries contain things like cadmium, lead, mercury, nickel, lithium and electrolytes. You are telling me that none of these things can leak or drip including mercury or fluids and cannot go into the ground. have you ever seen a battery in your life?" Since when did EV cars use non-rechargeable non-lithium batteries that contain cadmium, lead, mercury, and the likes? What era are you from?! No, EVs do not contain batteries that leak in liquid form. All leakages are crystallised as its leaked. Theres no "drippage". Theres no chance it polluting the soil.
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@pootispiker2866 Chinese EV cars that enter into Western markets obviously conform to Western safety standands, otherwise they wouldnt be allowed to be sold there. Moreover, combustion car engines catch fire more than EV.
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@GameFuMaster I already listed you the cause. What more do you want? Do you want me to say "humans" are the cause?
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@ryanlaffler1692 The future might not be lithium batteries. Sodium batteries might be the new best thing
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@pootispiker2866 Yes, the Chinese will get by with the bare minimum set by the respective governments. If the West have stricter standards, then itll push the Chinese to met those standards to profit in. And since the Chinese have lower standards locally, companies will just get by by those lower standards. And youre conflating Chinese EV companies that passed Western standards with Chinese EV companies that havent, thats a false equivalence there. Those that made it through to the West will also have high standards in China. Youre focusing on those that didnt make it to the West. If they didnt pass all the regulations to be sold in your country then why you talking about it? As for your comment on data mining, theyll grab as many data as they can legally. Even Tesla and other non-Chinese EV companies are doing the same. Privacy regulations in this industry barely exists as its still relatively new. So blame your governments for allowing this to happen, not the companies behind it, especially if theyre legally allowed to do so. Remember, non-Chinese EV cars are doing the same too, dont just cherry pick China, itll be seen as xenophobic.
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@GameFuMaster "The fact that they're just abandoned seemingly in the middle of no where instead of a used car shop to resell is still concerning... " Did you not watch the video? The companies behind it gone bust because of change in government policies. No one wants to purchase a car that no longer has support from it. And heres a fun fact: combustion engine cars are at least 20x more likely to catch fire than EVs.
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@ShumonM "the counter logic would be that we’ve declared the race over because about 5% of the global vehicle fleet has been replaced with electric" You missed the point. Why are you so fixated on "one" race". This video is about 2023. And China won that race in 2023. Just like the Olympics, theres a 100m race in 2008, 2012, 2016, etc. If you want to speak about another year, you can do so when the time comes, but as of 2023, Chinas EV indeed won that race. "Car OEMs might as well give up now because electric vehicle sales are only going to decline from this point" Now why would you assume EVs are going to decline from this point onwards when its clearly on the incline?
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@section31 I didnt know stating facts means China shills now. Damn. Im all for EVs and look forward to the evolution of the EV industry. But now Im going to be labelled a China shill too by you too. Damn...
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@EmilOsena You dont need the infrastructure. You can just charge at home
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@EmilOsena If youre charging at home everyday, how are you restricting the range? Batteries will be 100% by the time you wake up the next day.
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@EmilOsena 75% of battery to get only 100km? I dont know what car youre on about but the average range of a fully charged EV is about 400km. Even the entry level EVs have a range of at least 300km, not 133km as youre suggesting. Even as batteries degrade over time itll be nowhere near 133km. So not sure what youre on about there
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@EmilOsena Well lets put it this way, if in the rare case youre going on a super long trip, youre most likely not going alone. Either carpool with someone else, or buy a portable charger. Simple.
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@nioxic77 No? China doesnt extract nor produce those materials. China REFINES those materials imported from elsewhere.
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@GameFuMaster The internet gave the answers: Car crash is one. Others are overheating catalytic converters, overheating engines, non-fuel spilled fluids, electrical system failures and fuel system leaks.
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@user-jk3rb7oh1f People cant charge at home?
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@tooltalk I know. But cars need not to be high density. Its gadgets like phones that need to be
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@tooltalk Its sufficient for most people in this world. How much range do you need? Sodium batteries offer at least 300km range. Thats more than enough for the vast majority of people in this world.
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@tooltalk Why domestically only? Whoever wants to buy it can buy it. Just because you might not doesnt mean others wont. And thats the plan, isnt it? And that "everyone else" includes themselves.
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@tooltalk What are you talking about? There are PLENTY of undeveloped countries wanting to use much CHEAPER EVs. Heck even lower income class from developed countries would buy it
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@tooltalk People always talk about infrastructure. I dont understand why. Just charge at home, simple!
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@tooltalk Whats the point of your comment? Why bother doing that when they can just charge at home?
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@qrzone8167 Same comment: If in the rare case youre going on a super long trip, youre most likely not going alone. Either carpool with someone else, or buy a portable charger. Simple.
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