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"Democracy = less censorship, free speech, expression, human rights, freedom to criticize, open free market, appropriate banning, free media, freedom to elect, etc" Lets go through this one by one... "less censorship" - Its either you have it or you dont. Whats this "less" or "more" business? "free speech, expression" - Really? Ask Trump about his so-called "free speech". He got silenced by pretty much all major social media companies that he can speak on. Also, does one have freedom to say hateful things? Like verbal harassment, hate speech etc? No! Youll get arrested. Freedom of speech/expression is not without limitations. Cross the line and youll get arrested. Same applies everywhere. "open free market" - Thats got absolutely nothing to do with system of governance...And theres no such thing as absolute free market. There will ALWAYS be restrictions in some form or another. "appropriate banning" - whats that suppose to mean? You know how many ridiculous laws there are in "democratic" countries? Youre banned from opening an umbrella in the streets in Alabama, USA. Is that "appropriate" to you? "free media" - You realise that every single media has their agenda right? Even in the US, you will have right-winged media, and you have left-winged media. They will only show their viewers news thats in their favour. "Free media" is a joke. Real free media is when news is shown objectively without any motives (not shown in the US). "freedom to elect" - Election doesnt mean shit. Youll still be paying taxes governments are telling you to pay. Youll still be paying high rent. And youll still be paying for war in another country. What matters is not the ability to vote. What matters is a competent government that can govern its citizens well.
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@lessee_6768 "China = more censorship (especially the more explicit one, certain TV shows, Movies, Music, Artists, Video games that the party doesn't like, social media like fb, Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, etc.)" Like I said, whats this "more" or "less" business? Its either you HAVE censorship, or you DONT HAVE censorship. And whether thats a "yes" or a "no", democracy has nothing to do with that. Also, the examples you gave it not because the "party doesnt like" it. Its because those companies refuse to comply with local laws and regulations. Whether its social media, games, music, movies etc, they didnt adhere to local Chinese laws. "inappropriate banning like banning of Pooh, Shang Chi, Mulan, K-pop, etc.)" Like I said, theres inappropriate banning everywhere. And no, Winnie the Pooh is not banned in China. You can literally buy it in the shops. Whats not allowed is disrespecting the head of state and mocking him, like comparing him with Pooh. Is that so "inappropriate" to you? Im not sure about Shang Chi, but Mulan was a political one. K-pop is because China has new laws on effeminate males broadcast publicly, it applies to those within China too not just K-pop. Whether thats inappropriate or not is up for the Chinese to decide on that. Not our country, not our laws. We dont have a say. "Chinese individuals can't elect Xi through votes" US, UK, CA, AUS, NZ individuals also cant elect their leaders themselves. Their representatives elect their leaders. Same for China. Your point? "free media ( Restrictions from Authorities, complete control of media )" As long as the news is objective and unbias, who cares? Look at the US. The media is either controlled by left-winged corporations or right-wings corporations. So their news that they broadcast is bias towards their companies political views. What good does that do? The media is controlled either way. Either by the government or by corporations with their agendas. "freedom of expression" I already mentioned that in my above comment, no country has complete freedom of expression, including yours. "freedom to criticize( arrested Apple Daily Jimmy Lai for being pro-democracy, people disappearing after criticizing the government)" You can criticise all you want. But there are dedicated platforms to change laws/policies/regulations etc. And theres a fine line between simply criticising, and subversion. And stop spreading fake news. Jimmy Lai wasnt arrested for being "pro-democracy". He was arrested for collusion with foreign forces. And HK is already a democracy, so what does "pro-democracy" even mean? Is the other party "anti-democracy"? And no one "disappeared" after criticising the government. Its called "laying low". Cant people be allowed to have their privacy? Must they tell the world where they are everyday to not be labelled as having "disappeared"? Everyone thought Jack Ma and Peng Shuai "disappeared". Arent they alive and well now?
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@lessee_6768 "Great explanation that is why China will never fall into the category of Democracy" What I just explained, explained that the points you have raised has NOTHING to do with democracy. Are you that thick in the head? In summary: 1) "Censorship" has NOTHING to do with democracy. 2) Whats "inappropriate" or not has NOTHING to do with democracy. 3) Individuals from US/CA/UK/AUS/NZ also cant "vote" for their leader. Your point? 4) "Free media" is not "free" as its controlled by corporations with their political agendas - shaping its audiences views on things. Free media is when news is unbias, objective, and has absolutely no agenda behind it. 5) "Freedom of expression" again has NOTHING to do with democracy. Can you make verbal harassments in democratic countries and get away with it? 6) Most criticisms get no where. Chinese have the "freedom to criticise" all they want in their dedicated platform that actually resolves issues. Aside from point #3, how does any of the above points have anything to do with "democracy" again?
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@lessee_6768 'you really don't understand democracy that is why you always mention " it has nothing to do" lol' Democracy means "ruled by the people, for the people". VOTING is just ONE form of democracy. All the points you have mentioned indeed has NOTHING to do with democracy. I countered your points one by one. If you have something to say then counter MY points one by one. Not just say "you dont understand" and not elaborate on it.
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@lessee_6768 "Yes it is they are the foundation of democracy" Lol foundation of democracy? You dont know what youre talking about. Answer these questions. Only yes or no answers. Does democratic countries like the US have: 1) Censorship? Yes or no. 2) Complete freedom of speech/expression? 3) Zero human right abuse? 4) Completely open free market? 5) Inappropriate banning? 6) Media free from political agendas? 7) Individuals can elect their president?
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@lessee_6768 If you want to say democracy is different is every country and leave it at that then thats fine. No comment there. But you said China will never be democratic because of the above points. If the so-called "democratic" countries cant even tick the boxes you have raised to accuse China of not having, who are you to say China isnt democratic?
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@lessee_6768 'I never said " China will never be democratic" I only said Chinese people are not living in democracy' You said "great explanation that is why China will never fall into the category of Democracy". Thats basically "China will never be democratic because of the above points". Also, like you said there are many forms of democracy - ruled by the people, for the people. China does have democracy, just not in the form you and the West know it to be. "only Taiwan achieved democracy" "Taiwans" government, Republic of CHINA, is Chinese state founded in China by Chinese people. Its founder was educated in the US & UK, which was at that time were the major powers of the world. He wanted to bring the "superior" powers system into China. That is why Republic of China has "democracy" like the US/UK. This has got nothing to do with "Taiwan".
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@lessee_6768 "China will never be democratic is different from China will never fall into the Category because China has always have the possibility to change" Funny how you like to cherry pick parts of what I said, but say the whole sentence for what you said. I said you basically said "China will never be democratic BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE POINTS". Since you understand that China has the possibility to change, how come you dont understand that theres possibility to change the "above points"? Is that not basically the same as what you said? "If China have "democracy" then the people of Hong kong and Taiwan would worry nothing if they already shared the same common values with China, unification would've been easy but in reality it's not" Lol thats not the issue. The issue is no one wants to be ruled by another. US, CA, AUS, UK, NZ share the same common value and ancestors. Why dont you ask them why they dont want to become the same country?
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@barryford1482 "China has an Authoritarian government" Authoritarian at the highest levels. But its not the highest level thats actually governing its people, its the lower levels of goverments that are. And Chinese citizens DO in fact have a say on the laws and policies there. "A Democracy has the vote whereby a government can be removed and an opposition party can take government. Also in a democracy an individual or group can form a new party" Thats ONE FORM of democracy. Doesnt mean thats the ONLY FORM of democracy. I dont know about you, but Id rather have a say on policies/laws than have a say on who sits at the top... "In a Democracy the Press is free to support a government or support an opposition party" In the US, media is controlled by either right-winged or left-winged media. Itll broadcast news bias towards their political agenda. You call that "free"? Free for corporations you mean. True "free press" means that media company broadcasts OBJECTIVE and UNBIAS news, for viewers to form their OWN opinions on matters. And not have the medias views shoved down its viewers throats. "The Swiss have a democracy where they vote on any matter where anyone can take on an issue and if they get 250000 signatures there will be a referendum" But you seem to overlook that China also has a similar thing? Average citizens can literally change local laws/policies/regulations actually affecting their daily lives. Did you not even watch the video? Here, click this 0:00. Its literally mentioned in the first few seconds... "Taiwan has a thriving democracy a good standard of living that its people has enjoyed since the 1980s while mainland China under communism has had the cultural revolution that has put the country into poverty" Why you comparing 2 different timelines? Might as well compare Japan now to USA half a century ago and ask who has a better standard of living... Also, it was not the cultural revolution that plunged China into poverty...China was already in poverty due to previous invasions and wars. Also, Taiwans standard of living is now high is not because of "democracy", its because it was literally shielded from war more than 100 years. Whereas in Mainland China, war was ongoing for over 100 years. Even in times where it didnt seem like there was any war going on, there was internal power struggles which affected development. And just FYI, Taiwans economy had its highest GDP growth rate when it was under dictatorship, NOT democracy. 'and even today when Chinese people greet one another they will say "have you eaten"' You seem to think you know a whole lot of China and the Chinese language. Let me tell you something... ALMOST ALL of East and South East Asia greet each other like that! And that includes the Taiwan you speak of.
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@barryford1482 "In 1989 we had Tainanmen square where soldiers of the PLA murdered protesting students 2700 and wounded 7000" "We"? Whos "we"? You seem to like stating 1 side of the story but not the other. How come you didnt mention that Beijing was under martial law at that time and students had DAYS to evacuate? How come you didnt mention that protesters REFUSED to cooperate with the military under martial law? How come you didnt mention that these "protesters" not only blocked military personnels path, but lynched them when they could? You think thats a one off incident? Wrong. It happened multiples times. These were not simply "students" peacefully protesting. They had self-made weapons. If they didnt get what they wanted (politically) they would resort to violence. That by definition is terrorism. How well is terrorism dealt with within your country? Also, you realise this protest was funded by the CIA right? Anything involving the CIA means trouble for that country. The CIAs goal is to destabilise countries. Also, dont state estimates as if theyre facts. Your numbers are on the higher end of the death toll ESTIMATES. "Some Chinese communists here will try to tell you it was the soldiers that were murdered but how is that so the soldiers had tanks guns flame throwers" Ever heard of obstructing vehicles paths then burning the vehicles when stuck? Then lynching soldiers when they came out? And taking over soldiers vehicles and weapons?
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