Comments by "Yerris" (@yerri5567) on "Young Siberian models being sent to China | Unreported World" video.

@CuongNguyen-le5ic The hope is real. The do get a CHANCE to succeed as super models. No one said anything about a guaranteed suceess. This applies for everything. There is no evidence that sleeping with anyone is involved. And even if there is, its with consent. Again, not human trafficking. Human trafficking is with no consent.
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lachazaroony How is it human trafficking if its with consent from themselves and their family?
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic First of all, wrong industry. You are citing the movie industry. We are talking about the model industry. 2 very different sectors of similar industries. Moreover, everything youve shown is with consent. Meaning, the female was willing to do something in exchange for a greater role (or money). And what you have linked me are "rumours" and something about asked to "dance"...human trafficking? Not at all.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic "Coming home in tears mean everything she worked so far is gone, she couldn't get anything, not only messed up industry" What you just explained here is not human trafficking. You just described a messed up industry. Why cant you understand that this is not human trafficking? Nothing is forced and you are asked for consent in everything. If you dont want to do something then you dont. Simple. "You think rich and powerful people like others reject them? They would lose faces and next you know, tabloid and all kinds of talk would destroy not only theirs careers, but their lives" Again, you just described the industry. Nothing to do with trafficking. As for destroying lives, thats subjective. Failing to excel in exams also "destroy lives" if one doesnt have the ability to let go and move on dont you think? "The worst of them all, kidnapping, forcing, drugs, death threat. You name it, they will do it" What are you talking about here? What about the topics you speak of? You mean if you piss someone off this will happen to you? Happens everywhere in any unregulated country. Nothing to do with "human trafficking" and everything to do with pissing off powerful people. "Seriously, again and again, you refused to even acknowledge the problem here which beyond dirty, but human's trafficking" Can you not read? I agree that this is a messed up industry. Seriously can you really not read? Im saying this is not "human trafficking" as nothing is forced. Everything is in their own hands. In other words everything they do is with consent. "We are talking about China" No we're not. We're talking about human trafficking. YOU are talking about China. Not me. I said nothing about China. "Fan BingBing, dissapeared for a while, now surface with corruption. Sound familiar?" What about that? She committed a crime of tax evasion. Whats that got to do with human trafficking? Stay on topic will you?
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic Listen very carefully, there is a difference between a messed up industry and human trafficking. Im not defending anything, Im saying its not "human trafficking". Whatever this messed up industry is doing is with consent of the female in question. They agree to do something in exchange for either money, or pathway to better career advancement through as you said, connections. ALL WITH CONSENT. Also, its not "white devil", its "white ghost". Coz ghosts are white...I learnt a little bit of Chinese confirm that. Youre the one spreading false rumours now.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic "So you will defend China to no end. Despite one of the article I linked you already said these girls will have more debt than they could paid for and guess how they will pay for it" Defend China? I spoke nothing about China till you mentioned Fan Bingbing. I spoke about how this is NOT human trafficking. And Im asking you to stay on topic. More debt? Debt is also with consent. They signed a contract with consent did they not? Everything is with consent. They didnt have to. Going to nightclub to work is also with consent. You can also disagree and go find work elsewhere. I disagree with underage girls being allowed to be there thats all. Again, not trafficking at all. Stay on topic. This is all about a messed up and unregulated industry. As for Fan Bingbing, what evidence do you have that she is innocent? It is well known that in Chinas film industry that "ying-yang" contracts are common. The only reason she was targeted is because shes a big fish. "Victims of human trafficking can be divided into three populations: 1. Children under the age of 18 induced into commercial sex 2. Adults (age 18 or over) induced into commercial sex through force, fraud, or coercion 3. Children and adults induced to perform labor or services through force, fraud, or coercion" EXACTLY, this video is about none of that. You have absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest any of these models are FORCED to do anything, and that underaged models are induced to become sex workers.
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Rosé Ayaka candy How is it human trafficking if its with consent from themselves and their family?
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@diegoduran939 How is it human trafficking if its with consent from themselves and their family? Moreover, its the Russians that are "trafficking" them. China hires them if theyre wanted. Again, with consent. They can break the contract if they want. Theyre not held hostage.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic "Ahh yes, the HOPE is real? How many actually make it to the top? The same as American Dream, right? 1000 to 10,000 and only 1 or 2 success" Thats business. The success rate in business is rather low too. Is that false hope and "human trafficking"? Theyre doing what they want. Let them be. No one is holding a gun to their head and telling them to do anything.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic "After refusing, she returned home in tears" You said it yourself. The ability to reject and the freedom to return home by definition is not "human trafficking". End of story. Everything was in her control, and she willingly chose not to progress through this "messed up career path", and had the power to return home safely. Stop saying this is human trafficking when it clearly isnt. Nothing is "forced". If its not forced then its not called human trafficking. Period.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic "You defend agencies that exploit on young girls prefer Under 18 years old, but mostly THE YOUNGER, THE WHITER, THE BETTER as mentioned in the article" Articles are subjective. Never take subjective articles seriously. If younger is better, then why not hire infants? The younger the better right? Youre too emotional, you cant think straight. "Since their parent signed the contract and barely know anything, you think it is a "good excuse" for "consent". Anyone that signs a contract without reading is an idiot. You dont need higher education to read contracts. Are you saying those parents are idiots? "Again, CONGRATULATION, you are defending China and this whole argument of exploitation of CHILDREN" China again? Clearly this business involves more than just 1 country. Yet you clearly choose to pick on 1 and not the other. Shows how bias you are. Bias and irrational people are not worth my time. This may very well be my last message to you. "Because of enough people like you, child bride is possible, exploitation is possible because theirs parent "CONSENT" to something they barely even know, understand" You looking down on parents? How dare you. Who do you think you are to assume parents consent to depart their children on something they "barely even know"? Moreover, Im am specifically speaking about THIS video, on how its is NOT human trafficking. Im not deny human trafficking exists. Learn to discern the difference. From our conversation we've had so far, I can see youre not very bright. "Seriously, with your excuses, you could basically defend anything since they "CONSENT" to it, SCAM, FRAUD, COERCION" Excuses? I provided legitimate reasons. I cant be sorry for your inability to comprehend logic. "but I know how young a child around 15 years old can't make financial decision, even with the agreement of their clueless and poor parent" Again. How dare you look down on a 15 year old! When I was 15 I was able to manage my finances very well tyvm. This isnt rocket science. We're not talking about investments here. Just basic cashflows. "That's why UN has laws to this which you clearly ignore" Yes, the UN has laws. And the modelling industry is huge. You think that if it was really human trafficking it wouldntve made headline on the news have brought to the attention of the UN already? Clearly its not human trafficking. All models have freedom! "Yerris here think a 14-15 YEARS OLD Child can make sound Financial Decision to themselves" Yes. Every 15 year old and add and subtract. We're not talking about investments here. We are talking about basic cashflow. "Drink Free Flowing Alcohol at Night Club" Who said they need to drink alcohol at a night club? Who said they are FORCED to go to a night club? If they do, its with consent, its THEIR CHOICE. Seems like you dont understand what "THEIR CHOICE" means. "So Young girls from another countries at the age of 14-15 YEARS OLD can work at Night Club, In debt and can "CONSENT" to all these" I never agreed that thats appropriate. I said it very clearly already. If you failed to read my words then thats your problem. Im saying IF they do, its THEIR CHOICE. No one is FORCING them to go. "Yerris here also think it is fine to be in DEBT since these young girls "CONSENT" to do this either by themselves or their POVERTY, UNEDUCATED parent who signed it" Umm it IS fine to be in debt. Almost everyone is in debt in some way or anything. 99% of all business owners start off in debt. 99% of all house owners also start off in debt. 99% of uni students also start off in debt. And stop assuming that their parents are in poverty, thats false information. Thats just a tiny margin if there is. Most of them have land, a house, AKA assets.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic Cuong Nguyen "Going to mute your ass, listen to you sicken me. Monster DEFEND MONSTERS" First of all, you never had to enter into a conversation with me in the first place. And you just proved my point. Youre emotional and irrational. Cant think straight. No where did I defend human trafficking nor this industry. It is YOU that failed to acknowledge that is isnt human trafficking and has nothing to do with sex nor FORCED labour. Everything is with consent. Ask them "do you want to do this", they say yes. If they dont, they move on to the next gig. But you failed to understand that. Those that do go ahead and work at nightclubs and sex around are perhaps greedy and money hungry. Ever thought of that? Anyways this is my last message to you. You clearly cant comprehend basic English/logic/concept/business/life properly.
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@PennyMsElite Seems like you know nothing about Russian men.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic Ive just read you saying the 2nd yin yang contract is not Bingbings. Provide evidence to your claim. Your link isnt working. "So Cui is the guy who started this all have ying-yang contract of more than Fan BingBing" Its not illegal to issue 2 contracts for anyone. But its illegal for tax evasions for an individual. Come on...have some common sense.
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic "Read this, Ukraine's child BRIBE is one of the common places Chinese look for and EASTERN EUROPE" If youre going to link me a few thousand word article, you better be quoting something there so I can search. Aint nobody got time to read every single word in your few thousand word articles. Moreover, your article is irrelevant to the topic at hand here. That is, this video is NOT about human trafficking. "Now these models agency raked up the debt for these young girls, then force them to work at night club, DRINKING while they are UNDER 18 YEARS OLD" I urge you to get educated on legal drinking age in other countries. THE WORLD DOESNT REVOLVE AROUND YOU AND YOUR COUNTRIES DRINKING AGE. And NOTHING is FORCED. Its their CHOICE to go to the night club. Same for drinking. "Is your stupid reason of "CONSENT" enough? THEY ARE UNDER 18 YEARS OLD for most of them" Contract with under 18 girls are obviously signed by their CONSENTING parents. Whos the stupid one now? "Get it through your stupid skull.You are defending Scam, Fraud and all sorts of thing just because the VICTIMS "CONSENT" to these things" Scam? Do you know what a scam is? You cant get your money back from scams. This is legitimate business. If they failed to return their debt, thats their problem for jumping into the model industry overestimating themselves. Almost all businesses have debt. Does that mean 99% of all businesses are victims to scam/fraud? Idiot. ""RECRUITMENT" BY MEANS OF DECEPTION FOR CONSENT TO CONTROL ANOTHER PERSON FOR PURPOSE OF EXPLOITATION" How did you know the girls in this video where deceived hmmm? Do you have evidence to your claim? Or is this just more nonsense to suit your narrative? Also, were the girls in this video or any modelling agency "controlling" the models? You telling me that these models cannot at any stage not work for a venue? THEY GET TO CHOOSE! They have more freedom than most peoples boss/manager telling them what to do! THATS controlling. "Now tell me, with a high chances that these girls will be in DEBT from Agency and lots of them FORCED to work at Night Club or others while UNDER 18 YEARS OLD. Firstly, its a given that they will initially be in debt. Thats the contract. And nobody FORCED to work at a nightclub. ITS THEIR CHOICE. Youre obligated to pay back your debt by whatever means necessary. How they get their money is their CHOICE. If they choose to go to a nightclub to work, then its their CHOICE. AKA CONSENT. And again, dont be so self centred. The world doesnt revolve around your countries legal age to enter a nightclub. Different countries have different age limits. Some countries is 21, you going to shit on them for not allowing "adults" to enter at 18/19/20 as well? "It is clearly an EXPLOITATION. Yes some of them get to go home, but what about the rest?' Because they choose to? Clearly you dont know businesses work. If you borrow a loan from any organisation (bank or whatever) you are obligated to pay back your debt. If you dont, interest will accrue. If you still dont, then assets will be taken. If you still dont, then youre f*ked. Literally and metaphorically. If you lose your job, you will be forced to take on all these shitty jobs you dont want like cleaning the toilet to fulfil your obligation to pay back your debt. The modelling industry, or any other industry in business is the same. Pay back your debt, or youll be living in hell. Life will leave you little options but to do shitty jobs you dont want. And this is WITH CONSENT mind you. You can take your time, or work your ass off. Completely up to the model. If the model has a CHOICE, then its OBVIOUSLY not human trafficking. "CONGRATULATION, You have successfully defend human's trafficking and slavery for pretty much a whole day because they "CONSENT", but forgot to even remember THEY ARE UNDER 18 YEARS OLD" Who said its human trafficking and slavery? You? Where is evidence to your claim. Im talking about this video. SHOW ME TH EVIDENCE! These are WILLING models that were given CONSENT by their PARENTS if they were under 18. NOTHING IS FORCED.
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@angusmacskye4476 How DARE you look down their parents. Who do you think you are? You think their parents will just sign something and let their children go without looking in to what theyre signing into?
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@susy5773 "100% DONT CARE"? How DARE you look down on parents. Nobody is saying that one must know EVERYTHING. But to send a child abroad, they must have a degree of knowledge on what theyre doing, the potential income and the risks involved. "More than half those kids/adults have been raped just to stay or be in the business" Unwillingly "raped"? Or willingly had uncomfortable sexual relations in EXCHANGE for a chance to be in the business?
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@susy5773 We are talking about different things here. What you are speaking about has nothing to do with the girls in this video. You are speaking about the industry and how wicked some parents can be. I am specifically speaking about this video. The girls in this video are not victims of human trafficking. That is all Im saying.
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@dvalentine8947 How is it human trafficking if its with consent from themselves and their family?
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@CuongNguyen-le5ic You need to learn to read English properly. No where in my comments did I "defend" human trafficking nor this industry. I said this is NOT human trafficking. As for the Terms youve signed you, you are legally viable for anything that happens. Because you signed it. Duh. If you dont like the terms, then dont sign it. Simple. Or are you defending people that dont read their contracts?
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@Surteronarto Yes. What you just spoke of is human trafficking as well as a very sketchy industry. But my point is that the girls in this video isnt part of human trafficking. Just part of a sketchy industry.
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@ignitegmer1810 "Humans make mistakes". I dont get your point. What message are you trying to convey to me?
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@ignitegmer1810 Humans are not blind. Humans are ignorant. Even if they do get "manipulated" to do something, theyre willing. Thats the thing. If its forced, then it becomes a problem. If theyre willing, not so much the case. Nightclub may be an option, but they chose to go there. Theyre not forced to go there.
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@ignitegmer1810 Irrelevant. Again, CHOOSING to go to a nightclub is their CHOICE. if they cannot pay back their debt in time, then interest accrues. That is all. Any opportunity that arises that they take part in is again their CHOICE. They arent FORCED to do anything. "Humans are blind, blinded by their own greed and desire" This goes both ways. To the employee and employer.
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@karmakameleon113 "No one in their right mind ever consents to trafficking. Obviously the trafficking happens under the disguise of another business" Oh I agree. Dont worry. My point is that the girls in this video arent victims of human trafficking thats all. 'These girls are never asked "is it ok if we bring you to another country away from everyone and everything you know, and then sell you into prostitution to pay off your debts after your modeling career fails?"' Who said that this is what happened in this video? Who says that their parents that signed them away cant help pay back their debt if everything fails? "You shouldn't look for reasons why the victims are wrong. Who said that they are "victims" of human trafficking? "If you have such a strong opinion about this issue then you should focus on ways to stop the people who are taking advantage of the victims..." My point is that this isnt "human trafficking". Theres no hard evidence to even remote suggest that the girls IN THIS VIDEO are victims of human trafficking.
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@ignitegmer1810 Right...and you are brainwashed.
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@xxxmmm3812 What was forced?
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@ignitegmer1810 Sure. I can agree with what you have said above. But my point is that the girls in this video arent victims of human trafficking. That is all.
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