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Comments by "Yerris" (@yerri5567) on "Is war with China inevitable? | David Kang | Big Think" video.
Pete Foggia You have been brainwashed. Mao didnt "kill" 30mil people, they died from famine due to poor management.
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conan263 when you are talking about death from famine, you need to bring in the factor of proportions. China is and was the most populous country in the world, ofcourse the number of death from famine would be the highest. But if you factor in the proportion of death to the population, its not as high as people think it is.
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conan263 Chinas population was about 650mil then. You telling me 325million Chinese died from famine? Or that 325mil people died in China because of Mao?
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conan263 So you think 325million Chinese died due to Mao?
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James Knox Learn how to discern facts from opinions. I merely stated facts. Due to Chinas poor management, about 3-8% of its population died from famine. Now lets look at the Nazis, 35% of the Jewish population died in their hands.
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xandercorp Youre right, we're talking about the cultural revolution here. Only about 1million died from that. If youre going to talk about the death rate caused by a particular regime, China is no where near the top.
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xandercorp Population death rate by population proportions misleading?! Thats absurd. "Rates" are what statistics organisations use, not the absolute numbers. If anything, NOT using population percentages are misleading.
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xandercorp No need to edit. If comparing a country vs a a countrys ethnic group is the issue then no problem, just multiply Chinas population by 90% and lets speak about Chinas Han population then. China comprises of 90% Han afterall. Now that its Jews vs Hans, the death rate is STILL 35% and 3-8% respectively. Any other problems now?
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xandercorp Did you graduate top of the class with in maths? Coz I did. You clearly dont know how numbers work. Death rate of an ethnic group doesnt need to be compared side by side to to get the death rate of an ethnic group, death rate is death rate no matter how big the population is. Your lack of understanding of numbers makes you think people are lying. Thats called ignorance. Also the number of Jewish in Nazi Germany was more than 10%...Not sure where your "less than 1%" figures came from.
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xandercorp If you insist on comparing death population portions of ethnic groups with another population of ethnic groups that are similar to each other, then guess what? You wont find any statistic for that at all. If you insist on getting the same ethnic population of a region, then I suggest you look at only 1 province of China with about 15-20 million Han Chinese. Thats comparable to the 15-20 million Jews at that time. Now, that the population is the same, the death of 3-8% of Hans died. Vs 35% of Jews that died. The maths is the same no matter how you look at the population. Death rate is death rate Your ignorance on how numbers work is making you arrogant. "Death rate of an ethnic group from a specific regime" is what we are calculating here. There is absolutely no manipulation of any statistic here. You are talking about something else.
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xandercorp "Death rate of an ethnic group" is already a normalised variable for you to compare with, not matter what the population is, the death rate will be the same. In other words, or in your words, "comparison of like with like".
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xandercorp Again, you still dont get the big picture. Sure, the variable was from "country population" to "ethnic group". You see, the death rate of Chinas famine is rather uniform. Doesnt matter what ethnic group in China is selected, the death rate will still be between 3-8%. Whereas the Jews death rate was about 35%. The death rates are still the same! You are literally picking on little things that dont actually change the outcome. Theres no point to it.
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xandercorp I was speaking about a specific ethnic group. Did you not see speaking about the death rate of Han Chinese specifically? Like I said, you are talking about something else. If you want to talk about death rate caused by the a regime, the Nazi in this case, then guess what, death rate of both civilian and military casualties caused by the Nazi regime is about 30-35% of Nazi Germanys population.
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xandercorp xandercorp You are picking on semantics. Generally speaking, when you speak about the Chinese population you are speaking of the Han ethnic group. But it seems like you want to be more specific. Fair enough. Well, the Han ethnic group in China comprises of 92% of China. All you had to do is multiply Chinas population by 92%. Not make a fuss and say "oh you are not comparing like to like". The rates didnt change! The death rate from famine in China was rather uniform (within the numbers of 3-8%). Must I remind you, the death rate remained exactly the same! 'I laugh when you say "if you want to talk about death rate caused by the a regime", because in fact YOU were the one who wanted, and did, such a thing' Thats right, thats exactly what I was talking about. And no marks were missed. I said what needed to be said. Not write an essay explaining every single point. The death rate in at that time China was bad, but not as bad as others make it seem to be.
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xandercorp You keep mentioning that I have a "mistake". Yet it is you that has a brain that doesnt function in a way that understands statistics. You cant blame me for your inability to comprehend. "Well, generally speaking, when you speak about the German population you are NOT speaking about the Jewish ethnic group. Do you see yet how you are not comparing like to like?" No xandercorp, that is exactly why I specifically mentioned the Jewish ethnic group. As Chinas population, by default, generally refers to the Han ethnic group. By mentioning that, I am already comparing "like to like" as you put it.
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