Comments by "Yerris" (@yerri5567) on "Why is China so nervous about democracy in Taiwan? | The World" video.

Fake news. Mainland China isnt nervous about democracy in Taiwan...What they dont want is Taiwan independence.
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@inforozendo4622 That is correct (Y) They dont worry about the democracy in Taiwan. Losing territory is the red line for them.
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Andrew Chen Taiwan isnt "independent" nor a "country. Taiwan is dependent on ROC, and ROC claims to be the country called China. In fact, ROC sat in the UN seat as the country called China. Any independence movement in Taiwan is against ROC constitution and ROC supporters around the world. ROC supporters around the world didnt donate money to ROC for Taiwan to be independent. They donated money in hopes that ROC wins the war and unifies China.
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Ann Tsai If you are a sovereign country then why are you flying a Chinese flag? You dont have your own military, you are protected by Republic of CHINA Armed Forces whose duty is to protect China, including the province of Taiwan. Dont like what I say? Talk to a ROC Armed Forces officer, see what they say. And read ROCs constitution. It clearly refers to Taiwan as a province of China. Youre Chinese (ROCHINA) by citizen, and by blood. Unless youre a Taiwanese aboriginal ofcourse.
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@TalesOfGod If Taiwan is a country why are they flying a Chinese flag? Why does their government refer to Taiwan as a province of China in their own constitution?
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J Richo He called Taiwan a "country". Not "balanced" at all if hes spouting propaganda. In Taiwans own government, Republic of Chinas constitute, it clearly says Taiwan is a province of China. If Taiwans own government calls themselves a province, anything outside of this is fake news.
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@roberthardy5171 https://english.president.gov.tw/Page/95 Article 9. Read it. "But that constitution was not written by the Taiwanese, it was written by the Chinese invaders in 1949" Taiwan was returned back to China after WW2. Also, you cant "invade" your own territory. ROC lost all its territory in civil war except for Taiwan. So they RETREATED to their own territory of Taiwan. What "invaders". Clearly you cant speak objectively. Also, 1992 consensus. Both PRC and ROC came to the consensus that the Mainland and Taiwan are an inseparable part of the country called China. If both Chinese governments agree, and the fact that Taiwans own governments constitution clearly refers to Taiwan as a province of China, then WHO ARE YOU to say Taiwan is a country? hmmm?
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Floyd Mayweather 50-0 Letting Taiwan be their own country is against Republic of Chinas constitution. You know? Taiwans own government.
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@deadby15 You meant he people of the country should decide. If every person/town/county can decide whether or not they can be a country, then this world wouldve been split into a million+ different countries already...
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@anntsai1740 I clearly have no idea that Taiwan=ROC? Youre wrong. Taiwan does not equal to ROC. In ROCs constitution, it clearly refers to Taiwan as a province of China. Moreover, ROC still claims Mainland China including Tibet, Xinjiang and Mongolia. If Taiwan=ROC, then why tf does Provincial Taiwan claim other provinces of China?
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@roberthardy5171 "Ask anyone regular person outside of China whether Taiwan is a country, they will 99% of the time say yes" Most people are ignorant. Why ask ignorant people? Ask the ones that know the geopolitical situation between PRC and ROC. Theyre technically still in civil war. 99.99% of people dont know that.
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Fake news. Mainland China isnt nervous about democracy in Taiwan...What they dont want is Taiwan independence. Why did you censor my top comment ABC News? Trying to silence my freedom of speech now? Australian news known for its unbiased/objective reporting. Why the sudden use of the subjective term "nervous". And why assume China is "nervous" about democracy in Taiwan when what they really pay attention to is about Taiwan independence? Thats not factual reporting at all.
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@anntsai1740 "I have never paid income taxes or property tax to red China, CCP government which located in Beijing" Same as Hongkong. Whats your point?
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@roberthardy5171 "why do you keep lying about Taiwan's constitution" Do you even know Taiwans own governments constitution? Its written very clearly that Taiwan is a province of China. Ive even linked you. Article 9. Read it. https://english.president.gov.tw/Page/95 "80% of Taiwanese identify as exclusively Taiwanese, not Chinese" If males identify themselves as females. Are they suddenly females? Theres a difference between subjective opinions and facts. You clearly cant discern the difference.
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@godofpebbles Republic of CHINA is independent. "Taiwan" isnt. Theres a huge difference. Taiwan island is merely just a territory of ROC.
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@user-yu8nq9yx6k Any Dynasty that has taken on the throne to the Middle Kingdom is part of "Chinese" History. "Chinese" is not a race mind you. "Chinese" are those from the land of China.
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 Lol wrong. Taiwan independence is against ROCs constitution. And to be recognised as a country you need international recognition. Which government in this world is willing to upset PRC and to have diplomatic relations with a newly independent Taiwan? Even as of right now, no major country in this world with influence has diplomatic ties with Taiwan. So even if they see it as an invasion. What can they do about it? They already have agreements with Beijing that Taiwan is part of China. So no. Nothing can be done. At all.
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 @mukkaar What do you mean by "being nice"? How is China not "being nice" to HK? How much does it affect HKers lives? And in what way any different from when the British were in charge?
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 "Taiwan has to announce it (being independent with a proper name without violating the one China policy of the major countries) before the free world can recognize Taiwan as an independent country" Countries that side with PRC already agreed that Taiwan is part of China. Its locked in if they want to trade with China. "hey are working on it but won't be easy to achieve under the pressure of PRC. For ROC constitution, it's the constitution of their colonizer" 98% of Taiwan is of Han Chinese descent. Theres no such thing as colonising your own people. "Taiwanese is forced, never allowing to vote to reject, to follow" Since when did everyone in this world had the right to vote/reject/follow? Voting is a privileged, not a right.
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 "First, do not deny facts. Most of countries have their own one China policy which stating there is only one China, but Taiwan is not part of China. One typical example is USA. USA trades to China and states very clearly that Taiwan is not part of China" You are confused. If you want to talk about governments, use PRC and ROC from now on. Taiwan (island) is part of China as written in their own governments constitution. ROC and PRC came to an agreement in 1992 that Taiwan and the Mainland are part of the same ONE China. If both Chinese governments agree that Taiwan is part of China, who is anyone to say theyre not? Who are YOU to say theyre not? "Second, do not twist the concept of Ethnicity into Nationality. Sharing same culture, speaking same language, inheriting same ancestry do not equal to the same nationality" Taiwan was given back to China from Japan after WW2. Meaning Taiwan is Chinese territory from then onwards. All citizens of Republic of CHINA are by default Chinese by nationality. "Third, if you don't like the term of colonization, then please define the condition of a foreign government ruling the Formosa island without its sovereignty. I believe it perfectly fits the definition of colonization" Again, Taiwan was given back to China from Japan after WW2. Meaning Taiwan is Chinese territory from then onwards. Chinese migrating into their own territory is not called "colonising". "Fourth, Voting is natural human right. That is your opinion. Not fact. Speak facts.
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 "it clearly stated that the Japanese Empire gave up the sovereignty of Formosa island but didn't give it to any country" Sure. Its obvious everyone knew it meant returned to China. It was signed off from China, so after the war it was returned to China. Only reason they didnt specify is because no Chinese government was present during that treaty, and civil war was still ongoing in China so it was uncertain who to give Taiwan back to. And legally speaking, any unclaimed land can be claimed by any government. So it is infact legal for KMT to claim Taiwan, especially when it was not challenged by another government. "According to the self determination principle of UN Charter, only the resident of certain land can vote to decide their fate...Since the KMT ruler never allowed Formosan vote to decide" Lies. No where in the self determination principle does it say the word "resident". If anything its the people of the country that determines their fate. Taiwan is a mere island of 24 million people. Even if there was a vote, youll need to ask all of Chinas 1.4 billion people, not just a province. "Second, the newly elected government of Taiwan stated clearly that there was no agreement made in 1992 because the meeting was setup by KMT and CCP without be authorized by Taiwanese" You mean the failing government of DPP? They lied about a lot of things. You believe them? In ROCs constitution, it clearly refers to Taiwan is a province of China. And what do you mean "without be authorized by Taiwanese". If they are the government in charge, who do they need authorisation from? The people? Do they need authorisation of the people to claim more territory? Or should I say do they need authorisation of the people to claim territory they once had? "Neither ROC nor PRC had ever claimed the sovereignty of Formosa island, it is colonization...and takes no responsibility to follow the constitution of their colonizer" Qing Dynasty ordered Han Chinese to live in Taiwan and develop in Taiwan. And the ROC government succeeded Qing. If their descendants are today in Taiwan. Then how is it called colonisation from ROC? Shouldnt it be the Han Chinese in Taiwan the real "colonisers" before 1945? "Third, voting is natural right because it's part of liberty. And, it's identified as fundamental rights that "being life, liberty and property" and these could not be surrendered in the social contract. If you want to argue this part, you go for Locke's and Rousseau' works, not me." Again. What you said are opinions. Not facts. Its subjective.
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 "First, historical sovereignty is prohibited to be reclaimed. It's one of the basic principle of UN Charter" Source me this "basic principle of the UN Charter". I found nothing under the names of "historical sovereignty". And dont twist principles without considering other factors. Assuming you are right, that is true only if it is claimed currently by another government. When Japan signed off Taiwan, Taiwan legally belonged to no sovereign state in this world. It is literally unclaimed land by any government. ROC was the only government in this world that laid claim to Taiwan, and was unchallenged. Therefore KMT had sovereignty over that land. Its actually that simple. "Second, only people who live on certain land have the right to vote to decide they own fate, not the citizens of the country" Again, voting is not universally a "right". Stop spouting opinions. Just because someone says it doesnt mean its true. Find me where it says voting is a "right" in the UN. Then we can talk. Moreover, if you still think you are right. Then every local government, community, territory or state in this world can vote to be their own independent sovereign country. Then this world would break into a million+ different countries. You honestly still think youre right? "Third, Formosan have right to vote for they leader...ROCer are colonizers" Again, opinions. Voting is not a "right". Also, if ROC are colonisers, then Qing and Japan are also a colonisers. The whole island of Taiwan except the Taiwanese aboriginals are colonisers. What do you have to say about that? You still havent answered me. "Fourth, Qing Empire gave up the sovereignty of Formosa island, and PRC has no right to reclaim it because it's historical" I never said anything related to PRC claiming Taiwan. I said Taiwan is part of China. As agreed upon by both PRC and ROC. In 1992, PRC and ROC came to a consensus that Taiwan and the Mainland are part of the same "One China". The only disagreement was who ruled this "One China".
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@zayag3543 Yes and facts dont change. Theyve amended their constitution in Taipei many times. But still lay claim to mainland China, including Tibet, Xinjiang, South China Sea and Mongolia. And STILL to this day call Taiwan a province of China. "Way to just ignore the facts".
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@knightsfly5 Taiwan is dependent of Republic of China, a Chinese state, founded in China, by Chinese people.
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@godofpebbles ROC claims more land and territory than PRC. ROC has revised their constitution many times but still did not take out their claims of Mainland China, including Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia, and the South China Sea. "Would prc's government allow for the recognition of roc instead of Taiwan?" They already recognise ROC. Just not as the ruler of China thats all.
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@user-yu8nq9yx6k Im not too familiar with Liao. But for Mongol Empire, they did not sit on the throne to the Middle Kingdom, nor was associated with it in any way. So no, the Mongol Empire is not Chinese at all. Only when Kublai Khan formally claimed the Mandate of Heaven by proclaiming the new Yuan dynasty in 1271 were the Mongols part of "Chinese" history. "None of Middle Easterns say Mongol is their history because Mongol conquered Middle East" Thats their problem if they dont like facts. Facts dont change. Ilkhanate, Timurid Empire, and the Mughal Empire are recognised. Im not sure about the Middle Easterns, but I know for a fact that Indians consider the Turko-Mongol Mughal Empire a part of Indian history.
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@godofpebbles "They don't even allow other nations and corporations to call Taiwan as the roc or simply as Taiwan" Yes they do. Just not as a "country". Dont make this out of context. Your statement is so broad, but youre focusing on a specific issue. "They don't recognize the legitimacy of the sovereignty of Taiwan as an autonomous state" They recognise that there is a government called Republic of China. What they dont recognise is that it has sovereignty over China.
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@godofpebbles "Basically you are right, prc don't want Taiwan to be independent. But at the same time you can't have a autonomous sovereign region using a completely different government system and economic system and defense force and don't call it as independent. Because in practicality it is independent." Again. ROC is independent. "Taiwan" isnt. Taiwan is dependent on ROC. Big difference. Different government and military is because of civil war. Both government claims to be the same country called China. In fact, both ROC and PRC came to the consensus in 1992 that Mainland China and Taiwan are inseparably part of the same "One China". "In short the prc has a problem with the idea of both the creation of "the republic of Taiwan" and the idea that the republic of China becoming a recognized government internationally." ROC and ROC supporters also has a problem with "Republic of Taiwan". Taiwan independence (ROT) itself goes against ROC constitution and what ROC stands already. As for the idea of having 2 Chinas, both ROC and PRC still hold on the 1992 consensus that there is only One China in this world, that both the Mainland and Taiwan are part of. "Thus China has a problem with the democratic government that has sovereignty over Taiwan right now." Nothing to do with a "democratic" government. Even when ROC was under dictatorship, PRC never wanted Taiwan independence then.
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@glossygloss472 Fake news. Name me ONE major country in this world that recognises Taiwan as an independent country.
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@godofpebbles "So what you are saying is that the Mongols are chinese" Mongols in China are indeed Chinese. As is the Mongols in Canada are Canadian. "If that's the case why isn't the PRC claiming the whole of mongolia?" I urge you to learn some history before asking me. You can type the same question on google and get your answer in a couple of clicks. Yet you choose to ask me? Its complicated. But since youre so lazy, I'll give you a short answer. Mongolia is not part of PRC because Russia. Mongolia was officially signed off by the PRC. ROC still claims Mongolia though.
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@godofpebbles "If Mongols in Canada are Canadian, why aren't the Chinese in Taiwan Taiwanese?" Because "Taiwan" isnt a country? Republic of China claims to be the country called China? Therefore all citizens of Republic of CHINA are Chinese? Duh "So what is the huge difference? I am not seeing it. The leadership and government is independent, but the land which they govern isn't independent? but just "merely" a territory of the government? Huh???" I believe Ive already answered that question. That is not what I said. I said : "ROC has sovereignty. Provincial Taiwan doesnt. Its just a province of ROC as clearly stated in ROCs constitution. And "Taiwan independence" is against ROCs constitution and ROC supporters around the world. During the war, supporters didnt donate money to ROC for it to be independent from China. They donated money for them to unify China" How can you not see that Taiwan is just a mere territory of ROC? Taiwan is less than 1% of what ROC actually claims. You are confused because ROC and PRC are still technically in civil war. And line of control, territory, and governance can be very blurry during this period. That is why you need to refer to the constitution and signed documents set in stone when making rational arguments. Not some mere opinion off the streets, even if its a significant number. If its not official, then its not official. Now, that being said. It seems like you are for Taiwan independence. Even if youre not, let me ask you this. Why hasnt ROC revoked its claim on Mainland China including Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia, and the so called "ridiculous" 11 dash lines in the South China Sea? ROC constitution has been revised many times in Taipei. Why havent they revoked those said claims yet?
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@godofpebbles "just not in legal name because of issues like the written Constitution... Functionally independent but legally contesting the legitimacy" And my point is, legality is everything. Just because Mexicans cross the borders into the US, and live as if they are "de facto" citizens, doesnt make them citizens of the US till they get citizenship. "And now in 2018 the dpp want to change the Constitution again but they can't get the ssupport." If they cant get the support. Then Taiwan is not a country and is still part of China, so they are Chinese. Its simple as that. "What does that matter? It's just a paper" Because legality matters. Why do you think laws exist in this world? "Prc can't control Taiwan. and the roc can't control the mainland" Dont be so quick to make such a statement. Civil war hasnt ended yet. Also, if one day PRC collapses, ROC has every right to take over the mainland.
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@godofpebbles Your sheep example...replace the world "sheep" with "dog". Everything sounds completely normal to me...Just that one might prefer a dog as a pet, and another a sheep. "Just because it is antiquated laws doesn't mean it can't be changed either. What's stopping the constitution of either sides to change before the probability of the collapse of either powers?" Yes it can be changed. Nothing stopping them. But until then, the current laws/claims/stance still holds. As I said, legality is everything. Taipei had every opportunity to revoke its claim on the Mainland including Tibet, Xinjiang and Mongolia, yet they still havent. Therefore, ROCs position hasnt changed. "Still, the point was that the existence of a foreign democracy that is trying to challenge the legitimacy of "one China" that is pissing off China now. That's what I have been saying since the beginning." And Im saying thats not true. ROC and PRC both agree the the Mainland and Taiwan are part of the same "One China". Its not the existence of a foreign democracy thats pissing off China, its the existence of a "Taiwan independence" movement or ideology that changes this status quo.
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@faithisabel1 Civil war hasnt officially ended yet. Also, Republic of China is already independent. And it claims to be the country called China, same as what PRC claims to be.
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@BBarNavi Both PRC and ROC both claims to be the same country. The only reason why theres confusion in this "one country" is because civil war hasnt officially ended yet.
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Robert Hardy "Taiwan has never been ruled by the People's Republic of China for a single day and never will be" Taiwan also was never ruled by Republc of China for a single day before the handover. What was the point of that dumb statement? That Taiwan shouldnt be governed by ROC?
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@godofpebbles I did say I'll give you a short answer. More stupid questions. Do you think Im a representative of PRC or something?
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@theblackboyjoe Errr would you give away your property/house/land for free?
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@slimyyyy I mean Taiwan could...for like less than a day...But civil war will resume. Is that what you want??
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 I cant find anything in relation to ""historical sovereignty". Source me the basic principle of UN Charter that specifies that "historical sovereignty is prohibited to be reclaimed". "nothing about changing of sovereignty" Yes, there was nothing about "changing" sovereignty. ROC simply reclaimed unclaimed territory, therefore claiming sovereignty. Thats different. Remember, any unclaimed territory in this world can be claimed by any government in this world. "Since ROCer never allowed Formosan vote to decide their own fate, they are colonizers, foreign government ruling without sovereignty. Again, by definition, you cant "colonise" your own people. While voting may be a right in your country, it is not a universal human right that is to be applied to all countries. "And, yes, you are right Qing Empire and Japanese Empire were both colonizers to the aboriginals. Not only them, Portugal, Dutch land and Spanish Empire were once their colonizers" Colonisers to the aboriginals. Sure, I can agree with that. But what about in 1945 when Taiwan was literally 95%+ Han Chinese? Can Han Chinese ROCs presence be considered "colonising" then? Also, Portugal, Dutch, and Spanish merely had ports. They didnt colonise "Taiwan". They colonised ports which pretty much little to no aborigines there. "For the Han Chinese decedents and Formosa Polynesians, as they are living peacefully on the island together, they both considered resident of Formosa island, they will have equal right to freely choose their own sovereignty" "they will have equal right to freely choose their own sovereignty"? No they dont. Thats an opinion. If everyone had equal rights to choose their own sovereignty then there will be 1million+ new countries. Theres also ridiculous sovereign citizen movements as well whereby people are declaring that they have their own sovereignty and therefore not subjugated to their "real countrys" laws. "It's not your place to say Taiwan is part of China, and they already delivered clear massage that no agreement made in 1992 meeting" No, Taiwans own government said that. Its even in their constitution. No "agreement" was made. But a "consensus" was. Moreover, even if DPP denies, it doesnt mean anything, it was KMT at the meeting, not DPP. And given the track record of DPP, you think their words can be trusted? "Only Taiwanese have the right to say so, after they vote to decide their own sovereignty" Again, your opinion. Voting is not a right.
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@aribethdetylmarande8228 "1. I stated clearly in my previous reply that the concept of historical sovereignty was concluded in the principle of self-determination" Just because you "state" it it must be true? Source it, or youre lying. There is no information on the term "historical sovereignty" by the UN. "Because multiple authorizations declaring one land will always cause war and UN is suppose to prevent initiating any war, everyone was prohibited to reclaim any historical land" Like I said, assuming that is true, reclaiming historical land that is ALREADY CLAIMED, is different to reclaiming historical land UNCLAIMED by any any government in this world. 'Just "let them vote to decide their own fate", if everyone respect to what their own decision, the conflict can be solved peacefully. I don't want to keep repeating the same answer' That is an opinion. You can keep repeating that all you want but that doesnt make it a fact. If it was a fact, then there would be over 1 million+ countries in this world. "2..Since the ruler (ROC/KMT) never allow Formosan vote to determine, the sovereignty became uncertain, and awaiting to be determined by Formosan and only by Formosan. Is that clear enough? " You keeping bring this imaginary notion of "voting". Its clear to me that you have been brainwashed in thing voting is a universal right when its in fact not. "3. Please stop twisting concepts of Ethnicity, bloodlines, culture, languages etc. etc. into nationality. To be the same Ethnicity doesn't mean to be the same countries" I never said that? I said people residing in Taiwan are citzens of Republic of CHINA, which by default means theyre CHINESE by nationality. Adding on to that 95% of Taiwan is also of Han Chinese descent. I never said "to be the same ethnicity means to be of the same countries". They just happen to be both. "Han Chinese definitely can colonize other Han Chinese descendants (E.g. Americans were colonized by great British)" No they cant. You cant colonise your own people. White "Americans" cant be colonised by the British. Native Americans however, can, because theyre not of the same people. "Additionally, descendants of Han Chinese can also developed into different Ethnic groups. To my knowledge, modern Formosa Hokkien, Formosa Hakka, native Formosan, Formosa Polynesian all have their own self-identity; not necessarily be Han Chinese anymore" Well your knowledge is wrong. "Identity" and Ethnic groups are 2 very different things. British and Australians/NZ right after independence have different identities, but are of the same Ethnic group. "4. When Taiwanese try to change the constitution of ROC, their were militarily threatened by KMT and CCP, reason? ...ROC is not the sovereign ruler so that ROCer (no matter KMT or DPP) has no right to represent Taiwanese making decisions" Taiwan was officially unclaimed territory in this world when Japan relinquished its claim. There is no law stopping any government from claiming any UNCLAIMED territory in this world. So yes, ROC has sovereignty over Taiwan island. And almost all Taiwanese support this. Also, be clear on what you say. Did you mean average people tried to change the constitution? In what way? Independence? Tell me, what country would voluntarily allow its average citizens to illegally change its constitution to cede away sovereign territory?
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@ericlego321 I am not against that statement.
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