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mustang looks like a frumpy soft fusion coupe
ill edit this in here: i actually like the mustang, the GT350 is one of my all time fav cars, but lets be real here, the SS is clearly better than the GT, give credit where credit is due. better interior, more performance, more sound from the exhaust, more show stopping looks, far more aggressive design, better driving dynamics, and it holds it will re-sale value far better ;)
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no, hes the worst president we have ever had, he forces his ideals at gun point buy using the government as a club to force people to follow what he deems "moral" or "how things should work" (such as taxes, social programs, government functions) while being an out right authoritarian using the government to enforce his agenda on others, hes spent more than the last 20 presidents COMBINED, hes used quantitative easing to EXTREMES, hes fanned racial tensions in the US, hes based his economic ideologies on Keynesian economics, hes used executive power like a play toy, hes attacked the 1st and 2nd, and to top it all off his OBAMA care cost the U.S. BILLIONS of dollars and raised millions of peoples rates by 104% while only benefiting the insurance companies... and lets not talk about how he destabilized Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan while attempting to over throw many of these countries and make political virtue signalling to the left. he has killed tens of thousands in his attempted over throw and destabilize other countries.... and let us not forget the people killed in Benghazi thanks to his and Hilary's inaction. then there is the fact that he CREATED ISIS's military might by funding them, arming them, and organizing them all to OVER THROW another country... the Iran nuke deal he approved was a disaster with podesta himself saying that many future generations of Americans will be left to clean up the mess. obama has a lot of blood on his hands.
and lets not talk about how hes chipped away at the 1st and 2nd amendment to please far left wing radical SJW feminists.
he stomps on liberty and pushes forth a broken and weak pseudo intellectual agenda that really has made him the worst president. its not his right to play with fundamental human rights and the VALUE of the work you do... its thanks to him the work force participation rate is the lowest it has ever been since the 30's.
And before the argument "bush was the one who destabilized the middle east"
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bush had an Exit plan for Iraq, he had a Temporary government set up and ready to go... instead Obama just pulled the plug leaving a vacuum. next BUSH did not TRY to over throw Syria, next bush DID NOT create he DID NOT fund AND he did not arm ISIS, next Bush did not destabilize Libya by aiding the rebels, AND next BUSH did not make the IRAN nuke deal where Iran has free reign, billions of USD to build nuke cells, and bush would have never singed a bill like that which allows them to "check" their own facilities with out the US present...
cant wait till he gets out, even a clown in office would make a better president.?
why obama is the worst president.
handling of Libya
handling of Iraq
handling of nuke deal Iran
handling of Afghanistan
Attempted Over throw of Syria
Over throw of Libya
Creation, funding, and arming of ISIS's military might
fanning of racial tensions (blaming it on cops, saying cops go out to hunt down blacks while ignoring crime statistics)
Keynesian economics
Quantitative easing
falsification of employment numbers (look at work force participation rate for real story)
extreme use of executive power
attack on 1st amendment
attack on 2nd amendment
dismantling of the constitution
Benghazi
Obama care (rates going up as high as 140% in places like Nevada)
increased price of healthcare
Financial bubble value of USD in trouble
Further destruction of the black community
Failure to fix and defend borders
Increased the price of education by subsidizing more of college with the government
increased taxes
mass exodus of US jobs due to increased regulation and taxes.
obama's presidency does nothing more than emphasize the hypocrisy, dividing nature, and authoritarian streak that leftist ideologies "gift" to society. the left wing media will praise him as a savior, while the rest of the american people will only remember obama as being a president whom was more concerned with him image and how the elites / media portrayed him while he held little to no values of the average american.
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a bit ironic claiming that the right rejects science when the left peddles mental disorders as normal while ignoring science, pushing 7963 genders, pushed global warming then when half the world was not under the water like they claimed they changed it too climate change, remember when the left claimed the world was going into an ice age where we would all die in ice?.
now i myself am an agnostic, i am a libertarian, and i could care less rather you're an atheist or theist. i just enjoy poking fun at atheists because they are the most thin skinned group.
now this i have an issue with
"the right still hiding behind that word rather than using any actual facts or intelligent argument."
the left has not used a single logical or factually supported argument for government, policies, social policies, or foreign policies in decades. too claim other wise would require you to make severe mental gymnastics which reject facts, history, and logic.
i encourage you to check out ben Shapiro, sargon of Akkad, computing forever, or hell if you want to laugh a bit check out milo yiannopoulos. time to get you educated my boy.
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"So are you saying every car that is performance orientated means they're in the exact same league/class?"
straw man argument, i never made that argument you did
'So because the Hellcat has 700 horsepower it's in the same category as an Aventador SV or Pagani Huayra? "
once again you're trying to make an answer to a question you posed, straw man fallacy to the max
"Because right now your logic is pretty much shit."
that was entirely your logic
"Even if a V6 Camaro does set a better lap time than a Hellcat around a track, why should the Hellcat owner care?"
here, i see you're a bit slow here, let me explain this slowly, i don't care what hellcat owners care about as NUMBERS and FACTS DO NOT CARE about what they think, the fact is in the numbers and the numbers show that the most capable Challenger ever is lacking grip, balance, braking, lap times, the list goes on. like i said it's 2016 not 1950 where power is all that a performance car needs.
" Yes, they're performance vehicles but they have different purposes and that the lack of understanding and logic you seem to lack."
you do understand we are ona video comparing them? why do you think i am talking about them? are you ok? do you know where you are? ok lets be logical, we are here on a video that says corvette vs hellcat, ok now do we either 1. not talk about the comparison or 2. make excuses for the highest end Challenger vs the lower end corvette?
" Nothing, I'm giving you reasonings to your comments"
since when are straw man arguments considered reasoning? logical fallacy much?
"that's where the problem lies as you do not have the brain cells to understand kid."
ok, so lets be logical here. the corvette GS is the lower mid level corvette under the Z06 and ZR1 the hellcat is the top of the Challenger line up so the comparison is to be expected just like the GT350 vs the GS this is nothing extraordinary. next the Hellcat is a performance vehicle that is in a similar price range. next the hellcat is fundamentally a performance coupe in its price range with its power its inexcusable that a V6 camaro is beating it out and matching it in every aspect (besides power). my point is simple the Challenger is an inferior PERFORMANCE product due to its lack of being a 4 dimensional performance car (braking, handling, balance, and power)
so your entire position has been exposed as fallacious and illogical, but your badge loyalty has blinded you and forced you into making excuses for the Challenger. this is no longer a debate this is an intervention. we must cure you of your cognitive dissonance.
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" is in the same segment as the Camaro and Mustang which are sports cars"
they advertise to the same segment, cost similar amounts, make similar power, and are compared by their own chief engineers.
do we need a "wheres your sign" moment?
"Well, it's not and that's a fact that you keep denying"
like assult rifle these are all arbitrary terms that are popularized at one point or another, many people call the F type a muscle car... well that means its no longer a sports car!! right? no. these are all performance cars and they are all at similar price points / categories. there is no reason to not compare them as such.
"so in that case the Challenger and Ford Focus RS are also comparable in your head. "
the focus RS is a completely modded out focus with AWD and reduced weight, it can cost upwards of 50K if you or someone else wants to compare them there are no issues, but once again you will run into the same issues HANDLING, BRAKING, BALANCE.
"the Challenger is not, because that's not the purpose in the car"
*so? does that suddenly change the segment that the Challenger is in? does it make the camaro and mustang disappear? does that stop the chief engineers from comparing each others cars to one another? *
"It makes logical sense why the GT500 and older ZL1 are comparisons to the Hellcat, and not the 350, SS or any V6 vehicle."
hey, i agree with that and i have been saying that, but that was not the reason why i mentioned the V6 camaro. i mentioned it to show you the massive divide in performance between he corvette and hellcat. thats it bud, i know that triggers you, but thats just facts.
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na, im from Luxembourg, either way the argument "well its old and from 09" is a logical and argumentative fallacy. seeing as every year since 2009 the GTR has gone through some sort of MAJOR update, from tuning, to transmission parts, to engine cooling, to turbos, to chassis braces, to body construction, to exhaust, to sound dampening, to new aero, all the way to more power.
not to mention the price reflects this as well, jumping a whole 35+K over the years.
most companies (like C6 corvette, like the 997, like the 458, like the R8) get one mid life update then all the rest of the updates / changes are saved for the next gen, nissan has simply done things differently... hints why nissans is keeping this around till 2021
next to be some what educated before using a fallacy.
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hmmm, the issue is the time of telling an engines size and efficiency based on liter size is simply a thing of the past or for those who are uneducated,
1st off lets talk about the weight of the LT4 (6.2L SC v8) the LT4 weighs just around 450 LBS (note this is 120+ lbs lighter than the GTR's 3.8L V6TT and also lighter than the AMG GTS 4.0TT V8 by more than 75 LBS) - so the LT4 is actually closer in weight to many larger V6's like fords eco boost 3.5L than it is to AMG or BMW's 4.0 and 4.4 V8's.
2nd lets talk about PHYSICAL SIZE the LT4 uses a small block design and with this despite having a high displacement the block and exterior dimensions of the engine is more than 30% smaller than the GTR's 3.8L V6TT and SMALLER in physicall size to fords 5.0L V8, this is why you see so many LS in miatas and so many projects cars, its such a compact engine you can fit it in almost anything that a V6 would fit into.
3rd lets talk efficiency, DESPITE running a supercharger that could be deemed "less efficient than a turbo" as it is. this SC is pushing around 7 - 12 LBS of boost while taking a good 30 - 50 HP to run it (note the hellcats 6.2L takes 70 HP to run its SC) this LT4 still manages a better MPG than the GTRs 3.8L TTV6, AMG GTS 4.0TT V8, and BMW 4.4L V8. so sure the design is not as efficient as a 4 valve engine but its still getting better high way MPG than the M5, AMG GTS, (same MPG highway as an F TYPE R yes it makes 100 HP and 150 TQ more), and GTR.
and lastly 4th just because you say in (PUT CURRENT YEAR HERE) this does not somehow make your point more valid or anymore educated, actually it makes it look less educated and perhaps kind of ignorant as i have just had to school you. next time do a bit of research before sprouting off nonsense.
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1st "cadillac worldwide sales in 2015 totalled 32,292,"
in correct,please use Cadillacs
official sales PDF
2nd "f you compare their sales numbers to other luxury car brands they suck big time"
incorrect, they out sell jaguar, audi, Infiniti, acura.
3rd "Toyota has more U.S made parts than GM, Chevy or Dodge "trucks", Chevy's and Dodge's built in Mexico"
seeing as japan subsidizes Toyotas income that 1st part is incorrect, next chevy has nothing to do with this so why mention it, and lastly compared to Ford or dodge GM has far less production in mexico.
4th "Cadillac's not selling very well"
when they are 3rd / 2nd best selling luxury brand? what??
and 5th you pulled sales charts from 2013 talk about a fail
you have yet to offer any relevant information to the topic, you lack any facts, no logical arguments, and every time you get called out you change subject.
i might just listen to the other guy and mute you from this ;) the ignorance is so bad with you. so much cringe.
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no, hes the worst president we have ever had, he forces his ideals at gun point buy using the government as a club to force people to follow what he deems "moral" or "how things should work" (such as taxes, social programs, government functions) while being an out right authoritarian using the government to enforce his agenda on others, hes spent more than the last 20 presidents COMBINED, hes used quantitative easing to EXTREMES, hes fanned racial tensions in the US, hes based his economic ideologies on Keynesian economics, hes used executive power like a play toy, hes attacked the 1st and 2nd, and to top it all off his OBAMA care cost the U.S. BILLIONS of dollars and raised millions of peoples rates by 104% while only benefiting the insurance companies... and lets not talk about how he destabilized Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan while attempting to over throw many of these countries and make political virtue signalling to the left. he has killed tens of thousands in his attempted over throw and destabilize other countries.... and let us not forget the people killed in Benghazi thanks to his and Hilary's inaction. then there is the fact that he CREATED ISIS's military might by funding them, arming them, and organizing them all to OVER THROW another country... the Iran nuke deal he approved was a disaster with podesta himself saying that many future generations of Americans will be left to clean up the mess. obama has a lot of blood on his hands.
and lets not talk about how hes chipped away at the 1st and 2nd amendment to please far left wing radical SJW feminists.
he stomps on liberty and pushes forth a broken and weak pseudo intellectual agenda that really has made him the worst president. its not his right to play with fundamental human rights and the VALUE of the work you do... its thanks to him the work force participation rate is the lowest it has ever been since the 30's.
And before the argument "bush was the one who destabilized the middle east"
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bush had an Exit plan for Iraq, he had a Temporary government set up and ready to go... instead Obama just pulled the plug leaving a vacuum. next BUSH did not TRY to over throw Syria, next bush DID NOT create he DID NOT fund AND he did not arm ISIS, next Bush did not destabilize Libya by aiding the rebels, AND next BUSH did not make the IRAN nuke deal where Iran has free reign, billions of USD to build nuke cells, and bush would have never singed a bill like that which allows them to "check" their own facilities with out the US present...
cant wait till he gets out, even a clown in office would make a better president.?
why obama is the worst president.
handling of Libya
handling of Iraq
handling of nuke deal Iran
handling of Afghanistan
Attempted Over throw of Syria
Over throw of Libya
Creation, funding, and arming of ISIS's military might
fanning of racial tensions (blaming it on cops, saying cops go out to hunt down blacks while ignoring crime statistics)
Keynesian economics
Quantitative easing
falsification of employment numbers (look at work force participation rate for real story)
extreme use of executive power
attack on 1st amendment
attack on 2nd amendment
dismantling of the constitution
Benghazi
Obama care (rates going up as high as 140% in places like Nevada)
increased price of healthcare
Financial bubble value of USD in trouble
Further destruction of the black community
Failure to fix and defend borders
Increased the price of education by subsidizing more of college with the government
increased taxes
mass exodus of US jobs due to increased regulation and taxes.
obama's presidency does nothing more than emphasize the hypocrisy, dividing nature, and authoritarian streak that leftist ideologies "gift" to society. the left wing media will praise him as a savior, while the rest of the american people will only remember obama as being a president whom was more concerned with him image and how the elites / media portrayed him while he held little to no values of the average american.
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like i said just because people, reviewers, and others complain about the handling that does not mean they are HATING on the car, jesus i cant believe you cant understand this basic concept... just because i say the C6 corvette interior is trash does not mean im hating on the vette, just because i say the viper is unrefined, burns my lag, and gives me head aches does not mean i am hating on it, just because the camaro has sub-par visibility does not mean im hating on it, JUST because the mustang looks like a fusion coupe does not mean i am hating on it. bro, the lap times prove my points, reviewers prove my point (watch the mototrend review where the ZL1 matches the hellcat with far less power), c&d even acknowledged the lack of handling ability but shrugged it off as this is more of a GT. man, you're so dense or just slow. - dont worry im sure that TFL does not hate the Challenger.
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SenszR lol, performance you think the turbo is faster than the 488? look at the 458 speciale lap times, so far the 488 has been faster than the speciale.
so your mentioning is performance randomly does not add validity and actually proves my point.
quality, let m rephrase this, material quality, far more carbon fiber, higher quality leathers, better over all interior materials.
so i see no facts to back up any point on the turbo having a interior thats better or having more performance (other than 0-60 but AWD its a given)
and yes, i said design was subjective... so why mention that?
sound is the only valid point you tried to "deny" yes sound is subjective, but a high revving, screaming, V8 is hard to beat.
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yes, Canada has gotten progressively worse over the years. incriminating innocent people over something as minor as a fucking pro noun is a far over reach of government power.
no group should receive special treatment, no religious group, no sexual orientation group, no skin color group. look at the case that went on for THREE YEARS over 2 boys who were hit with "wrong racial label law" in AUS, 3 years of their life GONE over IDENTITY POLITICS.
"Judaism is I feel like it and I'm fine. I won't be charged for criticizing that religion"
mean while in places like AUS, Germany, and UK criticizing a religion ( islam) can have you arrested and fined massively.
"There is nothing in Bill C-16 giving more teeth against anti-trans speech than against anti-religious speech."
it also exclusively states that you must IDENTIFY THEM BASED ON THEIR GENDER EXPRESSION, if you d not you're considered having committed a hate crime. genders like ECO gender, GENDER FLUID, a man who claims he is a woman YOU MUST conform and change your speech to PLEASE THEM or else you're going to PRISON. this is absolutely filthy, this is authoritarian ideals at work.
"On another hand, the bill does say if you now incites the killing of every trans out there you could be criminally charged"
there is a difference between SPEECH and A CALL TO ACTION if you claim you're going to kill gays or tell others to that is a call to action. if you claim you disagree with them and will not refer to them as a made up gender YOU are considered to have done the same thing.
nothing but non-thought out arguments from you, half backed and easily refuted. seriously READ THE BILL
check out Peterson
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benzfen
PRICE :(must be more expensive than your average high end sports cars)
EXCLUSIVITY :(less than average production numbers around 10,000-less)
STYLING: (exotic styling)
PERFORMANCE: (must be higher than your average high end sports cars EG.(camaro z28, Shelby GT500, jaguar F type, mercedes c class, ect) unfortunately its not dramatically higher performance than these.
while handling is on par with supercar exotics it still lacks proper "grunt" to compete which is why the new Z06 is most definitely a SUPERCAR KILLER.
here is a example
last generation corvette base was a "high end sports car" while the ZR1 was a SUPERCAR because it had all of those attributes, around 8,000 were built, higher price, SUPERCAR perfromance, and styling / excusticty.
hope this helps : )
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SenszR once again you have not given one reason, point, or fact as to why the inferior leather, less use of carbon fiber, and less exotic interior materials in the turbo are somehow better?
i take it you have never driven a 911, 911's rely entirely on options to get a good interior, a base turbo with no options has a worse interior than a BMW M4, corvette, or viper. but even with all the options checked its still no match.
so once again, why did you bother bringing up something you have not one point, reason, or fact to back it up with?
so far you have me at one point, the SOUND as that is subjective. other wise you are just wasting time, come now, you can do it.
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i do already partake in politics ;) i am a libertarian. also the media portrays him as an angel.CNN, BBC, MSNBC, ABC, PBS, huff po, wash po, NY times, Salon, CBS all praise him, they sit in their ivory towers and preach to the masses about how bigoted and racist they are while painting obama as the second coming of Jesus.
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"And too act as if the reason those cars like you mentioned are coming out with 700hp is not because of the Hellcat. " it's not, why? because the last gen ZR1 was already pushing 640 and the competiotrs the ZR1 is going up aginst over seas (Mclarens, Ferraris, Lambos) are all in the 600+ club. out side of the US no one cares about the hellcat, on the other hand something like the ZR1 holds far more attention.
" And the ZL1 auto coming with a 10spd that Ford helped developed." the 10 speed unit is based off the 8L90's architecture and GM's gear designs. the costs were shared by both GM and ford for the 9 and 10 speed units so whats your point?
"Anyone who owns a Hellcat is still running 10's in a 1/4." false
". And Viper 13 Track records still haven't been broken yet" false, that was the ACR that set those times. a 1 off, limited run, only track focused, not street legal in europe, unrefined, track car, the regular viper is nowhere in the same league as the ACR with its less than 150 models produced
"Those cars are not drivers cars." how so? every reviewer from MT, C&D, edmunds, KBB, ect have all said other wise. some dodge fanboy says "nay" and we are supposed to jump? are you retarded?
" That put you behind the driver seat, but at the same time does all the work." yea, get behind the wheel of a Z06 or ZL1 and say that as you spin out and hit the wall. dont worry your parents will be happy that you finished the abortion you could never go through with
"However with all that the cars still have limits & are the reason why they still haven't beat the SRT Technology lol" simple, the ACR is a one off, 100% track focused, limited run, 150 model, non street legal in europe car, the Z06, 911 turbo, Zl1, ect are mass production cars that also manage to be 3 dimensional cars, the viper ACR is a one trick pony that is being axed thanks to poor engineering, out dated markets, and simply poor abilities to make a car that can be both engaging, a good performer, and have more than 1 personality.
"And I guarantee it's only 1 car in that conversation currently & that's Only the Vette Auto beating the Hellcat at the Drag." every test from MT, KBB, edmunds, C&D, R&T, and pretty much every other channel out there disproves this comment about drag races.
"What are your current facts?" you have offered NONE in your entire comment, in fact you introduced fallacies and false information.
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"When is it a people?"
once they begin showing signs of becoming a new life form, ( zygote / pre embryonic stage / CONCEPTION)
"knife to my arm and bleed I'm aborting a form of life, living cells"
they are your own cells, not unique in any way (as in another life form) they are yours
"What I was objecting to is saying things like
"is just a lazy DISGUSTING excuse."
there are programs, lots of help and services provided to struggling mothers / family's there is no reason to kill a baby because you dont want the responsibility. like i said if you're not responsible enough to take responsibility then you're not ready to have sex. if you do use 3 or more contraceptives to prevent pregnancy.
"All I really see here from you is shaming people for making a hard decision in a way you dislike"
there we go the truth why you disagree, look like i said at some point not only were you a mere pack of cells but also you're taking the right of life away from another person based on self interest, like i said before in the case of rape or endangerment there is definitely a case for that, as they did not WANT to have sex thus they did not choose to take responsibility for the life they created
"all I really see here from you is shaming people"
i would like to take this apart a bit more, why should i or majority of the west (who is not fond of abortion or disagrees with it) be forced to praise or comfort someone for killing a life? this is disgusting and strange for you to think we should all get on our knees and lick their feet, the baby is not their body, it is its own, its human, and its alive, there is no reason to kill it under normal sexual circumstances.
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www corvetteracing com/results/
GTLM class and GTE-Pro class (holding top positions in)
Rolex, sebring, Daytona, Le mans, Long Beach, Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen.
of those top positions 8 were corvette wins in the GTE pro class
en wikipedia org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C7.R
ford GT held top spots in le mans and Watkins Glen.
www chipganassiracing com/News/2016/7/Ford-GT-Wins-Third-Race-in-its-Last-Four-Worldwide-Starts.aspx
/www.motorsport com/imsa/news/2016-championship-rewind-tommy-milner-no-4-corvette-c7-r-844130/
autoweek com/article/sports-cars/chevrolet-corvette-racing-quickest-class-le-mans-24-test-day
either way, the corvette team has taken more top positions (means being in the top 3 since you don't seem to know much about this series)
far more than the GT has been able to walk away with. all this despite the crashes corvette has had and despite having a smaller budget, less renowned drivers, and being based on a mass production car unlike the GT.
my point still stands, links to everything i am talking about, have fun.
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"imaginable to the bare minimum RC F and still claiming its better in all these categories without so much as a single shred of proof. Simply hilarious."
screen shot on my G+ of options. and yes, materials used real leather, real carbon, real aluminium is better than plastic, injection mold, and fo leather. unless you think other wise?
"You'd think three people arguing against you would make one reconsider their position but no"
none of you have offered a proper counter argument regarding price and product, you keep trying to make straw man arguments and using false equivalencies.
"you're too pig headed to even consider the possibility and even reinforce your beliefs with delusions of grandeur."
delusions of grandeur? don't use vocabulary you don't understand. don't blame me for not bending to arguments that do not address my -position or offer factually and logically supported evidence. i have no reason to suddenly change my position if its not challenged.
"You would make for a fascinating study in human psychology."
and you would make a great case study for speaking debate class, false equivalences, straw man arguments, failed Juxtaposition, no counter argument failure to refute oppositions positions.
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"Sound reasoning using easily variable data is not false equivalence you clown"
you seem to not understand what a false equivalence is, you made an argument that was parallel to my own that offered no counter to significance when regarding price, interior, or performance.
" Once again, you want to compare one loaded with every option versus the other at bare minimum, yet you simply refuse to compare actual features at those price points"
that was simple never my argument, my argument is very very simple, but you slow people have an issue understanding logic and facts. no more straw man arguments kiddio, time to address the position i have held all along
"DOES NOT have fake leather at the top trims, it DOES NOT have fake aluminum"
i never said fo aluminium, i said fo leather (of if you would like the official term Pleather) yes, look on the upper dash and mid dash, injection mold and fo leather you simply cant refute facts.
"straw man arguments and false equivalencies, just throwing those claims out doesn't actually make them true"
ugh, i hate having to repeat my self, but its simply the only way you circle jerk lot will get it, you dont know what a straw man argument is nor do you understand a false equivalency its painfully obvious
and no repeating your same refuted and straw man arguments over and over does not add validity to them, try again.
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excuse me? i don't differentiate? have you seen what you're replying with, massive logical fallacies and straw man arguments that hold no value to the original topic.
"but in the real world they aren't."
wrong, Mr Perterson is not only going to lose his job but may also face jail time / fines for NOT USING the pronoun one student DEMANDED that he say.
the issue with this written legislation is that it does not differentiate between a call to action and free speech, in fact they don't even mention it. the legislation is entirely up to the DEFENDANT to categorize. JUST like the 2 boys in AUS whom were also accused of something similar (race instead) for 3 fucking years they were on trial... 3 years.... over someone being "offended"
"not about how you imagine it could be enforced in your distopian imaginary world."
the issue is laws are being enforced like this, not just in Canada but places like AUS, UK, and Germany as well. i have offered you examples as well.
your entire argument has been refuted, you lack logic and facts, you purely push an argument by using straw man arguments and logical fallacies.
take your own advice and start trying to distinguish between your Utopian, illogical, ignorantly, inept world view and the real world. don't worry i'm here to help you with facts and logic, after all its my job to educate the ignorantly inept such as yourself
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"If you develop a car for 3-4years how the fuck you didnt see the problem "
the most ignorant comment ever, EVERY SINGLE CAR IN ITS FIRST FEW YEARS OF PRODUCTION ALWAYS HAS DEFECTS
stop trying to make it out to be JUST corvette that has this issue, the 12C's in their 1st year BURSTED INTO FLAMES, remember the 911 GT3 when it first came out? yea those were blowing up so they canceled production for a year, GTR's transmissions broke down after 2 launches, they over heated not to long ago, ect ect ect every single car has issues mass production, limited production, or one off in their 1st few years
ugh, now i know you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, why are you even commenting on a automotive video?
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no, hes the worst president we have ever had, he forces his ideals at gun point buy using the government as a club to force people to follow what he deems "moral" or "how things should work" (such as taxes, social programs, government functions) while being an out right authoritarian using the government to enforce his agenda on others, hes spent more than the last 20 presidents COMBINED, hes used quantitative easing to EXTREMES, hes fanned racial tensions in the US, hes based his economic ideologies on Keynesian economics, hes used executive power like a play toy, hes attacked the 1st and 2nd, and to top it all off his OBAMA care cost the U.S. BILLIONS of dollars and raised millions of peoples rates by 104% while only benefiting the insurance companies... and lets not talk about how he destabilized Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan while attempting to over throw many of these countries and make political virtue signalling to the left. he has killed tens of thousands in his attempted over throw and destabilize other countries.... and let us not forget the people killed in Benghazi thanks to his and Hilary's inaction. then there is the fact that he CREATED ISIS's military might by funding them, arming them, and organizing them all to OVER THROW another country... the Iran nuke deal he approved was a disaster with podesta himself saying that many future generations of Americans will be left to clean up the mess. obama has a lot of blood on his hands.
and lets not talk about how hes chipped away at the 1st and 2nd amendment to please far left wing radical SJW feminists.
he stomps on liberty and pushes forth a broken and weak pseudo intellectual agenda that really has made him the worst president. its not his right to play with fundamental human rights and the VALUE of the work you do... its thanks to him the work force participation rate is the lowest it has ever been since the 30's.
And before the argument "bush was the one who destabilized the middle east"
- wrong
bush had an Exit plan for Iraq, he had a Temporary government set up and ready to go... instead Obama just pulled the plug leaving a vacuum. next BUSH did not TRY to over throw Syria, next bush DID NOT create he DID NOT fund AND he did not arm ISIS, next Bush did not destabilize Libya by aiding the rebels, AND next BUSH did not make the IRAN nuke deal where Iran has free reign, billions of USD to build nuke cells, and bush would have never singed a bill like that which allows them to "check" their own facilities with out the US present...
cant wait till he gets out, even a clown in office would make a better president.?
why obama is the worst president.
handling of Libya
handling of Iraq
handling of nuke deal Iran
handling of Afghanistan
Attempted Over throw of Syria
Over throw of Libya
Creation, funding, and arming of ISIS's military might
fanning of racial tensions (blaming it on cops, saying cops go out to hunt down blacks while ignoring crime statistics)
Keynesian economics
Quantitative easing
falsification of employment numbers (look at work force participation rate for real story)
extreme use of executive power
attack on 1st amendment
attack on 2nd amendment
dismantling of the constitution
Benghazi
Obama care (rates going up as high as 140% in places like Nevada)
increased price of healthcare
Financial bubble value of USD in trouble
Further destruction of the black community
Failure to fix and defend borders
Increased the price of education by subsidizing more of college with the government
increased taxes
mass exodus of US jobs due to increased regulation and taxes.
obama's presidency does nothing more than emphasize the hypocrisy, dividing nature, and authoritarian streak that leftist ideologies "gift" to society. the left wing media will praise him as a savior, while the rest of the american people will only remember obama as being a president whom was more concerned with him image and how the elites / media portrayed him while he held little to no values of the average american.
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(in response / follow up questions to your answers)
1. so basically you do believe in a larger / more powerful government so long as it represents the people.
2. while i personally do not hold this view i do understand where you're coming from. most people want to be with people who look, speak, and have similar cultures to themselves i can respect that. here is the follow up question, if lets say a (Mexican, African, or Chinese person) come into the US and adapt to the locals culture (lets say they adapt to southern culture) would you then accept them? (note: i disagree with mass immigration where people do not conform to the native culture and instead force their own on the natives)
3. so more authoritarian in nature as it would be the state (or government) that would protect and help the people (whites) who support the nationalist agenda.
i understand that last point of the movement being quite a wide spread, like the libertarian movement some people are like me (we want borders, pro life, government that only follows what the Constitution set out in other words very limited government) and some want open borders, pro abortion, and some government programs. but the general thing we want is limited government that stays out of peoples lives (for the most part) financially and socially.
thank you for responding i would love to hear more. very interested. thank you for your time.
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SMH, once again a fully loaded GT is not when you just check GT premium, you still have to add other options like, perf pack, sound pack, tech pack, easily 45K. sure you can get a 2015 used for 35K though.
for a 3K difference on the camaro you get
MR suspension, HUD, Bigger Brakes, Better MPG, More Power, Faster Transmission option, Digital Gauge Cluster, more leather, Multi Interior lighting.
sounds like a good deal to me :)
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"You never mentioned the M3 in this section"
scroll up
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"V8, more standard features, higher end interior, better reliability say otherwise"
yes, the RCF is not like the base Q60 or M3 which come sparsely optioned.
point stands
" Upper door panels on the RC-F are also soft plastic. Lower door panels are stitched leather on both vehicles. As for the dash, neither offer full leather dashboards."
oh dear, you really need to take a look at their interiors, i fear you're quite far off on 2 of those statements.
" Leather isn't even standard on the RCF."
the leather package is what you're trying to claim, yes nappa leather does not come standard... but real leather is still offered in more places than on the Q60... unless you think plastic is better than leather?
point stands
"These aren't straw man arguments, neither are they logical fallacies. Foh"
you dont see to understand what either of those phrases mean, ill give you time to google. no worries
once again all my points remain and your attempts to refute fail thanks to lack of facts and logic.
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"yea that's totally statistics and numbers"
materials are objective things. the Q60 has more hard touch points, less leather, and more plastics. keep in mind the upper door panel and mid / upper dash are made of injection mold, the lower door is plastic. mean while in the RCF and ATSV you get nappa leather, real leather on the upper doors, dash, less hard touch points, and real carbon fiber not fo carbon.
unless you're willing to argue plastics, injection molds, and more hard touch surfaces are better than nappa leather, more soft touch points, and suede.
boy do you have your work cut out for you! good luck!
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"Again I shall ask, why can't I own a nuclear weapon?"
i have debunked this point multiple times already, i am not going to keep replying to something i have confronted multiple times.
"If you want to stick with your argument that it's because using a nuclear weapon would have dire consequences"
this was never my argument, i merely stated the idea of jumping from personal arms to nuclear weapons clearly requires a level of cognitive dissonance not yet seen.
"then I agree that it's a good reason, but that has nothing to do with how the second amendment was written."
the right to bear arms, its exclusively set apart and supported by personal letters by the founding fathers that automatic and semi automatic weapons were included in ARMS. trying to make a false equivalency to a weapon that cannot even be carried, operated alone, or used for personal defense is a pathetic and illogical argument.
"That's a reinterpretation, it's treating the constitution like a "living document"."
the issue is your position is lacking harmony and logic, its inconsistent. the living document was written WITH THE INTENTION OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT BEING USED FOR AUTOMATIC AND SEMI-AUTO WEAPONS, not single shot muskets. we regulate fire arms already being un-able to own automatic weapons, weapons of mass destruction, and of course nation weapons (like nukes)
your position is just inconstant and fallacious.
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no, i am not saying you want to ban all guns, but as history has shown (like in the UK and AUS, and soon Canada) the events are repetitious 1st limit what kind of guns, 2nd restrict munitions, 3rd use media to push anti-gun propaganda, 4th ban guns (like the mandatory buy back in AUS). once you give up a right YOU DON'T GET IT BACK. not sure how many times we must repeat history before we understand that. right now we ban certain magazines, automatic weapons, and mass destruction weapons. if we keep going there will be nothing left.
also i am from Luxembourg but i currently live in the US. where i am from guns are banned, what the media does not tell you is that 75% of all gun crime is committed by ILLEGAL gang violence in inner cities and because the US has far more large cities there is more crime. (inner cities in Europe reflect similar crime rates of course not gun crime but more Knife, robbery, and rape crime) thanks to the US having far more cities this skews the level of crime.
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having a gun does not suddenly mean you can commit crimes and resist the state. come on what kind of argument is that? really... seriously lacking logic.
"I mean if guns were good enough to present the government from infringing on your freespeech, they should be good enough to prevent the government from your ability to do drugs"
what? what kind of jump is this... this has no value in this conversation, if anything it would be an argument for me. if the government cant even stop illegal immigration OR DRUGS then how would banning guns stop guns? if anything law abiding citizens would no longer be able to acquire guns and criminals would be able to get them
"Regardless of your personal stand on drugs, surely you understand that guns don't make a distinction between the state infringing on your rights and the state enforcing a reasonable law?"
these arguments are completely unfounded and irrelevant to the topic, in comparison to India, AUS, and UK guns make it much harder for the state and government to pas laws that effect personal rights and free speech. history proves this, if your government becomes tyrannical it is legal to over throw it (yes its actually in the constitution)
"In any case, if I had cited the incarceration rate as proof that guns lower crime, your refutation would still have failed."
and? i just debunked this tangent of an argument that holds no value in this conversation.
"After all, both Australia and the UK (the two countries you named) have a higher percentage of their population living in cities than the USA."
actually that is false, only 79% of people in UK live in cities, in AUS its slightly higher at 89 the US is at 81%, good try though. also that still does not account for the number of metropolitan cities.
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qmccall0328 ill ignore the fact that you compared two fundamentally different engines. here is the thing, if two engines were IDENTICAL both push rod, both cam in block, both high compression, ect. but the only difference was displacement, sure, you could say one engine is larger than another. the issue is that the LS and 5.0 are completely different engines both in design and execution. the fact remains, no credible engineer refers to engines size based on liter number. the fact remains, the 5.0 is a heavier, larger, and less compact engine compared to the 6.2L END OF STORY.
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no, hes the worst president we have ever had, he forces his ideals at gun point buy using the government as a club to force people to follow what he deems "moral" or "how things should work" (such as taxes, social programs, government functions) while being an out right authoritarian using the government to enforce his agenda on others, hes spent more than the last 20 presidents COMBINED, hes used quantitative easing to EXTREMES, hes fanned racial tensions in the US, hes based his economic ideologies on Keynesian economics, hes used executive power like a play toy, hes attacked the 1st and 2nd, and to top it all off his OBAMA care cost the U.S. BILLIONS of dollars and raised millions of peoples rates by 104% while only benefiting the insurance companies... and lets not talk about how he destabilized Libya, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan while attempting to over throw many of these countries and make political virtue signalling to the left. he has killed tens of thousands in his attempted over throw and destabilize other countries.... and let us not forget the people killed in Benghazi thanks to his and Hilary's inaction. then there is the fact that he CREATED ISIS's military might by funding them, arming them, and organizing them all to OVER THROW another country... the Iran nuke deal he approved was a disaster with podesta himself saying that many future generations of Americans will be left to clean up the mess. obama has a lot of blood on his hands.
and lets not talk about how hes chipped away at the 1st and 2nd amendment to please far left wing radical SJW feminists.
he stomps on liberty and pushes forth a broken and weak pseudo intellectual agenda that really has made him the worst president. its not his right to play with fundamental human rights and the VALUE of the work you do... its thanks to him the work force participation rate is the lowest it has ever been since the 30's.
And before the argument "bush was the one who destabilized the middle east"
- wrong
bush had an Exit plan for Iraq, he had a Temporary government set up and ready to go... instead Obama just pulled the plug leaving a vacuum. next BUSH did not TRY to over throw Syria, next bush DID NOT create he DID NOT fund AND he did not arm ISIS, next Bush did not destabilize Libya by aiding the rebels, AND next BUSH did not make the IRAN nuke deal where Iran has free reign, billions of USD to build nuke cells, and bush would have never singed a bill like that which allows them to "check" their own facilities with out the US present...
cant wait till he gets out, even a clown in office would make a better president.?
why obama is the worst president.
handling of Libya
handling of Iraq
handling of nuke deal Iran
handling of Afghanistan
Attempted Over throw of Syria
Over throw of Libya
Creation, funding, and arming of ISIS's military might
fanning of racial tensions (blaming it on cops, saying cops go out to hunt down blacks while ignoring crime statistics)
Keynesian economics
Quantitative easing
falsification of employment numbers (look at work force participation rate for real story)
extreme use of executive power
attack on 1st amendment
attack on 2nd amendment
dismantling of the constitution
Benghazi
Obama care (rates going up as high as 140% in places like Nevada)
increased price of healthcare
Financial bubble value of USD in trouble
Further destruction of the black community
Failure to fix and defend borders
Increased the price of education by subsidizing more of college with the government
increased taxes
mass exodus of US jobs due to increased regulation and taxes.
obama's presidency does nothing more than emphasize the hypocrisy, dividing nature, and authoritarian streak that leftist ideologies "gift" to society. the left wing media will praise him as a savior, while the rest of the american people will only remember obama as being a president whom was more concerned with him image and how the elites / media portrayed him while he held little to no values of the average american.
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this is why i know you're talking shit, i DETAIL THESE CARS FOR A LIVING. lincoln,lexus, BMW, cadillac, Mercedes, AUDI, acura, chevy, ford ect.
i have not seen one 2015 lincoln that has proved itself to be better than a buick, ad if it cant take on buick luxury wise it sure as hell is not on the level of cadillac.
lincoln right now is just rebadged fords and i mean that, its honestly disappointing, maybe you dont understand because you dont get many cars over there in asia but cadillac is the only true american luxury brand currently that can compete with BMW, mercedes, ect.
cadillac is definitely better then lexus and it sure is multitudes better than lincoln.
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Ponygt 662 this is why i know you're talking shit, i DETAIL THESE CARS FOR A LIVING. lincoln,lexus, BMW, cadillac, Mercedes, AUDI, acura, chevy, ford ect.
i have not seen one 2015 lincoln that has proved itself to be better than a buick, ad if it cant take on buick luxury wise it sure as hell is not on the level of cadillac.
lincoln right now is just rebadged fords and i mean that, its honestly disappointing, maybe you dont understand because you dont get many cars over there in asia but cadillac is the only true american luxury brand currently that can compete with BMW, mercedes, ect.
cadillac is definitely better then lexus and it sure is multitudes better than lincoln.
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bezor Ta i never said speed alone makes a supercar. its the driving dynamics, how it makes you feel, does it have a personality of its own? i hate to say it, but over here in europe many people considered the Z06 C6 a supercar (which i disagree with for a few reasons), HELL EVEN top gear UK called the C6 z06 a supercar, while top gear uk may hold little relevance in automotive enthusiast, they do show a cultural standpoint of what people believe to be a supercar.
lets be honest here, when you see a Zr1 you really can't just say "oh thats a sports car" there is to much that rests on the name ZR1, so much performance, its uniqueness, stance , full of holes exterior (to dumb it down),the fact they only planned 5K to be built makes them more rare then a 458... can you really look at a R8 and say "thats just a sports car" or a SLS GT? no of course not, they are not like M3's, camaros, mustangs, 370zs, BRZs, WRXs.... they are on a whole other level not just with performance, but everything else.
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i am just sick of beating around the bush, if that triggers you, get over it. "Venetian leather" shame its not appropriately treated nappa leather also its a shame its not used on the dash, doors, Center console, or side trim all of that they used injection mold, plastic, and fo wood. even the lacrosse uses real leather on the doors and dash but not Lincoln. (and yes, that stuff on the doors that looks like leather is just after stitched injection mold) "black label lincoln" you mean regular service and interiors offered by the likes of Audi, Cadillac, and Lexus already? ouch! "untrue because I drive a BMW 3 series" haha, you drove the companies 2nd to lowest tier product? good job! i leased a E92 loaded up the sad part is i have yet to drive a single Lincoln product that comes close to the E92
the worst part too is that the best interior i have experienced from Lincoln is the Navigator which was far better than the MKS, MKC, and MKZ
either way right now Lincoln is an entry level Luxury brand nothing more. they have no businesses with Cadillac or Lexus LET alone BMW or Audi let them take on Buick and Acura.
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no, i did not have turbo mustangs, i had a 95 5.0 grey, very clean ;), i had a 95 camaro SS with a 88MM turbo kit i was making around 450 - 500 to the wheels (keep in mind the SS weighs around 3450 lbs) and the E92 M3 i had through my job for a while, loved that thing so much, such a high revving beautiful engine, very free revving though not much torque down low. no offence, i would not be laughing when you're claiming the Challenger handles great, sounds like you dont even know what a good handling car is.
and of course being a detailer / driver i was afforded the opportunity to drive 911's, F-types, GTRs, corvettes, ect well over 100 miles at a time between dream-car locations ;)
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you did not even read your own quotes you copied. they literally prove my point.
"the Charger SRT Hellcat is a big, heavy muscle car, and it can do what it does because of power and not courtly finesse. "
point proved again
"You really have to drive one for yourself -- it's a special machine"
this has nothing to do with handling, did you even read the full article?
"Graham Kozak"
this quote mentioned nothing but the lack of wallow, it did not mention balance, tires, or its over all handling ability, sigh please try harder
"The Challenger does a very reasonable job "
sigh, since when is doing something "reasonable" cause for applause, did you even read your own quotes man?
"I’m a real fan of this car. So much of what’s out there is happy to get a ribbon for participation. This car unabashedly goes for the win, and winning feels good"
has nothing to do with handling
"It always drives big (because, with a wheelbase of 120.4 inches, it is big)"
once again you over looked this, dumb dumb
"The Hellcat weighs about 210 pounds more than the SRT 392 but, well, it doesn't feel like it. To deal with added weight but also to fix some of the previous model's boat-like tendencies, the Hellcat gets much larger sway bars."
you clearly did not read this in its context, the improvement was visible but it did not change the character of the Challenger, sure, you can be the best patient in the ER but that does not mean you're in good health
so in summery all of those quotes half of them had nothing to do with handling or driving dynamics, and the other ones only proved my points, its a big, heavy car, its improved over the SRT but hardly a sports car, as they said it does "reasonable"
sigh, you're making this to easy
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1. i leased the M3 (so i guess that means i did not own it? ok bud.)
"This video and the others are about cars YOU don't own"
once again if you want to use this train of logic you better accpet what comes along with it. so you're not a senator you should not be able to talk about politics,so you're not a PRO foot ball player you cant talk foot ball, and you dont own every car in the world, you have no right to even discuss anything to do with Ferraris, Lambos, 911's, ect... carful make sure to think logically now
" yet you post on cars negatively that you don't own."
you're literally a car SJW, you must be a bernie supporter, you cant have any negative opinions on a car? are you fucking mental? look, reviewers agree the Hellcat does not handle well, data supports this as well, not to mention having logged well over 1000 miles in the SRT 392 and R/T scat pack neither of those were stellar handlers either. get mad at facts and other peoples opinions all you want bud it wont change them, use facts and data of your own to counter if you're so butt hurt about it
"You've NEVER owned a nice car, including the M3"
right, cuz leasing is not owing at all? haha, ok kiddio
"And you want to be heard based on the opinions of others?"
look, you seem like a very ignorant, greasy, angry man who looks for any chance he gets to talk about how great his life is (which just show how sad you are), but that does not give you the right to silence other opinion or FACTS just because they trigger you, get over it this is the real world bud.
now go run to your safe space where every one has the same opinion as you and pretends facts dont exist that disagree with your opinion. you ignorant CAR SJW.
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thats great, use a quote from the same article that calls the hellcat a " flying brick" - AUTOWEEK
here the the part you left out
"Although we wouldn’t say it was scary to drive, even when we were set, locked in a corner, we could feel the car wanting to step out. “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast,” our instructor told us. We weren’t actually brave enough to push the car on the limit, envisioning what a quick stab of the pedal might do." - AUTOWEEK
"Challengers haven’t been known for their turning prowess. When the modern version came out, the company touted its “old-school feel,” which was just a euphemism for “leans big in corners.” - AUTOWEEK
sigh, this is the issue robert, you dont even read the articles where the quotes come from
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you did not even read your own quotes you copied. they literally prove my point.
"the Charger SRT Hellcat is a big, heavy muscle car, and it can do what it does because of power and not courtly finesse. "
point proved again
"You really have to drive one for yourself -- it's a special machine"
this has nothing to do with handling, did you even read the full article?
"Graham Kozak"
this quote mentioned nothing but the lack of wallow, it did not mention balance, tires, or its over all handling ability, sigh please try harder
"The Challenger does a very reasonable job "
sigh, since when is doing something "reasonable" cause for applause, did you even read your own quotes man?
"I’m a real fan of this car. So much of what’s out there is happy to get a ribbon for participation. This car unabashedly goes for the win, and winning feels good"
has nothing to do with handling
"It always drives big (because, with a wheelbase of 120.4 inches, it is big)"
once again you over looked this, dumb dumb
"The Hellcat weighs about 210 pounds more than the SRT 392 but, well, it doesn't feel like it. To deal with added weight but also to fix some of the previous model's boat-like tendencies, the Hellcat gets much larger sway bars."
you clearly did not read this in its context, the improvement was visible but it did not change the character of the Challenger, sure, you can be the best patient in the ER but that does not mean you're in good health
so in summery all of those quotes half of them had nothing to do with handling or driving dynamics, and the other ones only proved my points, its a big, heavy car, its improved over the SRT but hardly a sports car, as they said it does "reasonable"
sigh, you're making this to easy
sigh, we can go through this all day long, but all of your quotes were disproved already
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once again SO WHAT, i have driven every single variant of the Challenger and like me many others feel the same way.
and yes i have driven MANY GTR's, 911's, and corvettes you yourself said the hellcat can hang with the ZR1 and M5 in the corners (remember the meme?) that is simply not true.
the Challenger is not a perfect car, i know you hate to hear that but its true. compared to its competitors its handling ability is disappointing.
both meta data, facts, and many of the quotes from reviews you cited all agree with me.
"Hellcat poor or "inexcusable" unless you say the same for the M5"
here is the issue with this statement, on over 7 tracks the M5 destroys the hellcat by miles, you will be hard pressed to find any reviewer say the hellcat is as good as a M5 because well, i could not find a single one, this is something you have came up with on your own and no one agrees with you
no, the hellcat is no a perfect car, no car is perfect and where this one falls short is in the handling department.
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what are you even on, i never mentioned the ZL1... i mentioned what you said about the ZR1 and M5. click on my G+ page, i have the screen shot pinned of you saying it. (also 183 people voted on it)
and once again, if it takes 707 HP to barely match a far less powerful car then something is lacking.
motor trend themselves said it handles "pretty well for its size" thats hardly an award, saying you're the healthiest person in the ICU is not cause for celebration.
like i said, the facts are in, reviewers are soft on the Challenger handling because they know its more of a GT (thats why you see, its adequate or ok handling) thats why cars with far less power are beating the hellcat on track, and thats why reviewers never compare the hellcat to the M4, M5, corvette, GT350, SS, ect. its simply not a great handler.
im not even sure why you keep commenting all of your points have been refuted with FACTS and logical arguments and you have yet to refute any point of mine. you're had, just stop it you're making yourself look like a fool.
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Ponygt 662 you used to tell me the new mustang had a interior as good as BMW, you told me the MKZ is as good as cadillac, and you claimed the navigator was better than range rover and escalade....
.the only reason you can say this is because you have never driven these vehicles let alone been inside of them
.look kid i detail cars for a living, cadillacs, Lexus, bmw, mercs, bmws, audis, porsches, ect ect. its simple, Lincoln is just not with the competition like you have told me in the past. they are literately covered in pleather, plastics, and fake painted silver plastics, the seats are simply redressed ford fusion seats.
.i get it you LOVE FORD and thats it its all you ever talk about and say you like and you talk shit about everything else, but face it, this is not supposed to be ford its supposed to be LINCOLN a luxury brand yet they keep failing, so face it Lincoln is merely a buick / acura competitor nothing more.
they have a long way to go before they are on the level of Lexus or cadillac.
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Ponygt 662
1st the ride in the CTS, ATS, and escalade have no rivals from ford, Chrysler, honda, nissan, or mazda. you wont find a vehicle from any of those mass company with a car that rides as smooth, well damped, or nice.(so what are you talking about?)
2nd off the statements you're making about the transmission i find hilarious, the 8 speed unit is the best automatic offered by any american company PERIOD.
3rd you are comparing a luxury car transmission meant for smooth shifts not SHARP PUNCH YOU IN YOUR FACR SHIFTS. to the DCT's used in sports cars by MERC they are not meant for shifting smooth NOR do they shift smooth and the DSG is a DCT you ditz.
and now for 4th, you need to do some reading and some real world driving, now i know my job allows me to drive all these cars that you have not but that does not mean you can not rent one? or something to learn how WRONG you are about thinking Lincoln is even close to Lexus or cadillac.
http://www.caranddriver.com/cadillac/cts
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Cadillac_CTS/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/car-reviews/2016-cadillac-cts-review/
http://www.thecarconnection.com/overview/cadillac_cts_2016
now if you read all of these they all stated the CTS was better than lexus and in a whole other league compared to infinti, acura, or Lincoln
heres a direct comparsion
http://www.carsdirect.com/compare/cadillac-cts-vs-lincoln-mkz
"not even in the same league"
and it scored a whole 3 points lower in this review
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Lincoln_MKZ/Performance/
"not even a luxury competitor"
i have the experience with these cars, the knowledge, the reviews to back my statements, and im not bias one sided like you. you have nothing to show or add to this conversation, literally you're putting your hands over your ears and going "LALALA".
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Gavin Irvine luxury is refinement, high quality, uniqueness, passion, and above all comfort in all driving scenarios.
to me this is luxury and im not "american" it is brash, over sized, and isolation style luxury that reminds me of a G class wagon.
now i don't think this is better than a G class wagon. but it gives the same impression without the over the top styling that the G class has.
now if you read my comment i did say range rover still feels like a class above this and would be a SUV i would take over any other SUV/truck.
try not to be closed minded, remember don't judge based on ones country, race, or place of origin. wrather you're from USA, luxembourg, germany, japan We are all car enthusiast who love automobiles of all shapes and sizes :)
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Gavin Irvine cut and paste perhaps, but it still manages to have a more premium feel, look, and materials than any ford, chrysler, fiat, chevy, opel, renault, toyota, nissan, honda, mazda, infiniti, acura, ect.
my point being is if this is not some definition of luxury then what is? you listed some very good definitions, of which many point to this being luxury... but you claim its not?
no its not on the level of range rover, mercedes, or BMW. but it is very close and better than lexus and audi's (terrible) suv line up.
i think the badge is getting in the way of your thinking. ;)
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alban panxhi
" yes all that development and it was not faster than its competition"
it beat the viper GT, SRT, GTS, it beat the GTR track edition, GTR NIMSO, and GTR black edition, it beat 911 TURBO S, 911 GT3, and 911 GT3 RS, it beat the 458, Huracan, AMG GTS, and the Mclaren 650s on track. it matches and beats many of them in the 1/4 mile it beats most of them in the 1/2 mile, it has a better 60 - 0 braking perf, and it generates more mechanical grip.
"is no faster my ass" try looking at some lap times, perf metrics, and data.
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"why you think that what you said would hurt me "
did i ever say that?m thats an admission on your part bud
the funny part is, most high end performance super / sports cars almost ALWAYS have SLOW or dated infotainment systems, for what ever reason, look at Jag, Ferrari, Lamborghini (why the hell did audi not give them their newer system??), GTR, ect. but the Viper, corvette, and Mclaren 570s dont have dated systems that you make them out to have, not even close.
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before the 120,000$ nissan GTR black edition
unfortunately contrary to this video this is NOT a super car its a High end sports car,a super car requires exotic styling,above average sports car performance, exclusivity, "super car feel" AKA "soul", it must sound louder and better than your average sports car, it must go close to 200 MPH or more, and it must be able to be a star on track, drag strip and every day driving.
while the GTR is exclusive, has good performance it lacks everything else
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