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4:34: Apart from the physics/engineering, there is also a legal issue. It may sound daft but I as a commander am required to minimise the WH&S risks. The firing of the RPG / HEAT round is an action of the enemy. The effects of the defensive ERA type countermeasure has been legally argued as an action of friendly forces and falls into the same area as ensuring for example that friendly Infantry are not in the frontal arc of the tank when you fire APFSDS, in order to minimise the effect of the discarding sabots. There are similar legal questions about automated self defense systems such as AVEPS where exposed dismounts may be subject to effectively "friendly fire".
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So glad I live in a time where there are just Main Battle Tanks (MBT's) and classification is no longer a big deal.
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12:29 "Arguing about requirements 80 years ago is as exciting as today". As someone who works in Army Headquarters, I can vouch for that. :)
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The part at the back that “digs in” to adsorb the recall is usually called a “spade”. The part from the spade forward to the firing area is usually called the “trail”. An AT gun would usually have two trails extended from the firing part with a spade on the end of each trail.
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The “Sagger Drill” is effective against human guided ATGM (AT-3, AT-4, TOW, etc.) but not so effective against “fire and forget” systems like Javelin which is not controlled by the operator.
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There's a major difference between a roughly "near peer" engagement instead of one where one side has a marked over-match (COIN, etc.). Once and a while H&I fire from poorly sited rockets is far different to sustained barrages.
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9:26 We call that "ghosting". 2 tanks aim at the one target. Tank A fires and if it achieves a kill, tank B does nothing. However if Tank A misses, tank B is already laid on and engages.
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@Bird_Dog00 Well the APFSDS rounds have a pretty flat ballistic arc. Effectively out to about 1,500m and more the rounds travel flat. Anyway "Waste of Time" and "War Chunder" have absolutely minimal linkages to reality. 500m is nothing for a tank engagement. Its driven by the game's map design limitations, not reality.
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In Australia the crews become "3 ways fit". You usually start as a Driver, then qualify as a Loader and then qualify as a Gunner. Once you have all three, you progress to the Crew Commander's course.
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Basically you need to do terrain analysis and conduct an appreciation in a safe location (last bound) before you start moving and then move as part of a combined arms team. Then if detected, use weapons and your Multi Barreled Smoke Grenade Dischargers (MBSGD) to suppress the firer and obscure their view (if optically tracked).
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Common to most Western tanks. English equivalent "Muzzle Reference System" (MRS). MRS fitted to M1 series, Chieftain, Challengers 1 and 2, etc. Normally "we" estimate the wind at the start of an engagement, not as part of each Fire Control Order. You estimate it, and then commence the engagements and then once you move elsewhere if things have changed, you update the estimate.
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So the Soviets were concerned about the M60 because of its British gun (Royal Ordnance QF L7 105mm). :)
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Very good discussion, but one very minor point if I can. Usually both "Corps" (USMC, Armoured Corps, XXX, etc.) and "Core" (apple, etc.) are both pronounced as "core" (i.e. silent "p"). :)
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It great to talk to a veteran, but asking a Sapper to provide an overall statistical analysis seems a bit unfair since their personal experience will be very limited compared to the overall perspective.
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Well if you drastically truncate the training due to time constraints, you should expect the level of training to be less comprehensive. No doubt Western tank crew training covers the stab issue comprehensively, whereas the training of Ukrainian Leopard crews probably glossed over it (or removed it from the syllabus) during the training.
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@Scorchluck No I'm not. Different countries have different laws. This reflects through Defence as well as other places. E.g. The US is happy to use land mines, many other countries deem them illegal. If your country has deemed AVEPS or ERA illegal then your AFVs wont carry it. Pretty simple.
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The world has moved on from solid shot. Theatre Entry Standard = TES and Challenger has Dorchester armour.
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Pretty sure the British built the "crab" as an upgrade to the "scorpion" - another element of 79th Armoured Division.
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For what its worth, the Australian vehicles in the videos are M113AS4, our latest version prior to be replaced by LAND400-3. The ride characteristics are different say Leopard 1. M113 slows down to negotiate ditch, Leopard 1 speeds up.
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The Leo 2 has gone from a L44 to L55 and the new proposed 130mm / L51 suggests that the Germans are currently using both approaches, leveraging off the high velocity ammunition natures first introduced in the Leo 1's L7 105mm gun and now extending the barrel as well. Also the length may not be that much different - a 75/L70 is (75x70 = 5,250mm), a 120/L55 is (120 x 55 = 6,600mm). Thermal jackets tend to reduce the issue of barrel heat or hotspots along the barrel.
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@88porpoise I'd say it was a MBT, but given the US also had the M103, perhaps they'd call is a "medium". Broadly I'd say that post the Second World War, most tanks are MBTs with only a couple of exceptions classified as heavies (M103, T-10 and Conqueror) - at least in the real world. No comment about vehicle classifications in WOT (waste of time).
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Not quite, covered in rubber to further reduce shock.
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Well if you put him in a Faraday Cage (or a SCIF) the streaming wouldn't happen.
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Re employment of Multi Barrelled Smoke Grenade Dischargers (MBSGDs). Here in Australia the doctrine aligns with US usage - i.e. popping smoke is almost an immediate action for the Crew Commander when the vehicle comes under fire. Usually our MBSGDs are covered by rubber boots so at least prior to first use, the maintenance issue is not very severe. It should also be noted that MBSGDs on NATO vehicles are primarily defensive in nature, whereas those on Soviet type vehicles are more offensive in nature - due to the range they project the grenades.
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Yes, if you've worn TOPP4 / MOPP4 (respirator, over-suit, gloves, overshoes, etc.) then a COVID mask is nothing.
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@marseldagistani1989 Personally I hope they are held accountable. They are both terrible "simulation" products.
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“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Is the "Paul Hazell" co author, the same as our very own Paul J. Hazell here at ADFA in Canberra?
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HVAC = heating, ventilation, and air conditioning
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BMD employed by airborne forces with limitations on weight, size, etc. BMP used by Mech, can use air transport, but not designed to be air-droppable - both IFV but BMD optimized for tactical insertion by air.
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Two Officers per tank seems bonkers. We currently run one LT per Troop (same as a Platoon) with the other crew commanders being 1 x SGT and 2 x CPLs.
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Even with overpressure / NBC system you wear your MOPP gear. The seal is compromised every time you fire or open a hatch.
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@gandydancer9710 Just stop for a moment. Normally you don't wear it, you have it stowed (the suits have charcoal and other materials with a finite life). Then when you are told to put it on, you put it on. If you are lucky you are off the tank when you are told. If you are unlucky you are told whilst you are in the tank and its moving (his area of concern). Then once you have it on, it stays on until you are told over the radio to reduce your MOPP status (i.e. drop from MOPP 4 to MOPP 2). Having been at MOPP 4 for 3 weeks, in a tank, I have personal experience of wearing the kit.
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@rickmoreno6858 I suspect its not as simplistic as that. Javelin (or NLAW or whatever) are not wonder weapons. They need to work as part of a combined arms team / effect. In addition ground is not the “be all and end all”. If the Ukrainians are conducting a Mobile Defence then you’d expect them to trade ground for force preservation. History is repeat with examples. (some not so far from Ukraine) where forces have held ground at all costs and been encircled and destroyed. I don’t think you can attribute strategic outcomes to one weapon system (apart from perhaps August ‘45). Also you need to realise that the footage both sides are showing is what they want you to see and no doubt adverse outcomes are not published.
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@Scorchluck You are entitled to an opinion. It just doesn't count compared to binding legal advice.
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@verrrx Well based on the long brief I need to give grunts (everyone from the Infantry OC down to a PTE in the room) before we do live fire combined arms fire and manoeuvre. Adding ERA and AVEPS would result in yet more briefs.
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@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized Ah understood, you meant in terms of a dedicated, purpose built, AT platform as opposed to a variant of an underlying pre-existing vehicle type.
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Some Bundeswehr simulator footage: https://youtu.be/afyQYlnWZA4 It has a "pre select" gearbox. You select the gear before you need it. The 4th person also helps with security / sentry /picquet role. Three people = not much sleep.
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As per the "old" Swingfire / CVRT Striker model - where the missile operator could fire from a remote location with the vehicle in dead ground / reverse slope. If you can mitigate the EA threat then you could be siting in a shipping container as per the current UAS model.
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@tomhenry897 Not a good approach if you don't want something added to your brew. ;)
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Don't forget the series of posts fitted when on operations to the front of the glacis plate to defeat incoming HEAT rounds.
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@reonthornton685 Well you need some accuracy. How can you tell if the round is landing 500m short or 1,500m long if you are just guessing and firing? You can't expend 40 rounds bracketing.
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Let me guess "first return" vs "last return", etc. "Everyone" obviously means people without a clue? Good call out for Steel Beasts Pro PE. Nothing wrong with using a map or LRF to develop a Range Card.
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All great vehicles, but I think the Leo 2A6 Crew Commander was the greatest "showman", getting the crowd to cheer his steed on to climb the slope. :)
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Great presentation. Bonus points for calling out "Waste of Time's" use of bogus vehicles.
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The other issue now is the turret bustle (the overhang at the back often containing ammunition, etc.). Now as a Crew Commander you are not only worried about the barrel overhanging at the front, but the bustle at the back (i.e. driving through a forest with the gun at say 10 O'Clock, there is a corresponding, although smaller overhang, at 4 O'Clock).
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It only works with the Gunner's Auxiliary Sight (GAS) because that is aligned with the barrel. The Gunner's Primary Sight (GPS) which has the thermal channel is offset (e.g. on a M1 series its on the turret roof).
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Modern "regulations" (if by that term you include weapon manuals, etc.) also include many topics not required in say 1940. From memory the vehicle manual for the Leopard 1 in Australian service has sections on Laser Safety, Workplace Health and Safety, Radiation hazards, Environmental considerations, etc. so while say the 120 mm mortar may have been effectively the same weapon, the current documentation probably covers things that were never considered during the Second World War.
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@Digiidude Yes. It remains popular on our side of the ditch too.
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Sorry, but before this I'd never heard of him.
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