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@Campbellteaching Actually there are clear visors that could be worn, that are used as personal protective equipment in labs.
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The normal process of clinical trials involves a lot of faffing around as tests are run in series rather than in parallel so that investors get maximum value. So they generally go something like this: 1] Someone finds a possible drug in a lab and lots of chemical tests are run to prove that it is a possible drug. The results are presented to investors to get funding for the next stage. 2] Company gets funding for the next stage, they then have to go to the Human Tissue Authority to get tissue culture tests signed off so that they can get their hands on spare human tissues from procedures such as circumcision, abortions, amputations, removed teeth etc. Can be a lot of toing and froing while experimental design is approved by HTA. 3] Tests are performed in tissue culture, this takes time due to its laborious nature. Results are collated and presented to the investors for the next tranch of money. 4] Money comes in and the drug can move into animal testing in rodents to start with, but your experimental design has to be licensed by the Home Office and this takes time. This establishes a lethal dose 50 figure and helps establish dose and establishes effectiveness in an animal model 5] then it can move into primate testing to refine likely dose further and to look for potential adverse reactions, but it all has to be approved by the Home Office and a license given for every stage. 6] Assuming success it will then be back to investors with the results for more money to run human trials and then it will be off to the ethics committees to approve a human trial in healthy humans to establish the safety and side effects of the drug and in the case of a vaccine then antibody titres and epitope specificity would be part of this testing. 7] Assuming the drug looks OK then it is back to the investors and then on to the ethics committee to run a trial in affected patients. In the case of the vaccine it would be to administer the vaccine and then deliberately infect the test subjects to see if it works. All of this usually takes 8-12 years. Time that we do not have. So governments have stepped in and have funded this getting rid of the normal funding rounds. Stages 1-5 have been able to run largely in parallel as ethics committees have been told to allow this stuff to run. The human trials will have been subject to rigorous scrutiny, but the ethics committees will have been told to prioritise the vaccine ahead of any other drugs that are in the pipeline. They have simply dispensed with a lot of the faffing around that goes on with normal drug development.
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This happens with any virus, they naturally mutate this is why we can never get rid of colds or flu. The more frequently something is passed on the more opportunities the virus has to mutate. If this was a man made virus then wouldn't China or wherever made the cure before releasing it?
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Exactly
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@Zalley Exactly the sort I was thinking of, they are a bit more comfortable than swimming goggles.
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Given that they know which groups have a high mortality rate, would it not have made more sense to administer this early doors, only to those most at risk and below the average lifespan age of people in this country? And wouldn't it also make sense to try oral tolerisation by using human milk from infected mothers?
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Or get recovered lactating mothers provide milk to the ill.
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Part of the problem is that there is a difference between dying of something and dying with something. Someone could have the common cold and be knocked over by a bus, in which case how much has the cold contributed to that death? Once someone is older than the average life span, how much of their death is as much due to the body's systems simply wearing out?
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Vaccines don't cure anything they prevent and even then they are not foolproof, there will always be members of the population that they are not effective in.
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Perhaps they quarantined people?
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At the moment the number of confirmed cases in the UK stands at zero and obviously it may only be at the end of the incubation period that we actually start to see people being diagnosed, but obviously, it can be assumed that the moment that you have people being diagnosed it means that there will already be a vast pool of infected, but asymptomatic folk out there who are then infecting others. In light of this is it a good idea to upregulate the cytokine production in people by administering elderberry syrup? If this turns into an epidemic, it is unlikely that the NHS could cope, in that instance would taking asthma preventers and inhalers help with hypoxaemia? Perhaps a low tech way of dealing with people who are ill might be to locate lactating mothers who have recovered from the condition and have them donate 90% of their expressed milk to sufferers as this would contain antibodies to the virus and to make their children's milk supply up with milk from a milk bank.
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