Comments by "Banana" (@439bananas) on "Channel 4 News"
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I know exactly what you mean. I have a disabled son and my husband walked off, but prior to that I worked and lived in a far more middle-class area. The area that I moved to has far more of these types. One mother lives on the council estate and was reckoned to be cleaning for an old couple and the next thing you know she was arrested for defrauding them of £8k over 12 months. She tells everyone that she was innocent, but frightened so she plead guilty. The only thing we can think if she is not guilty is that she must have been defrauding the DWP or something. What gets me is that she still keeps plastering pictures of her and the kids on holiday in exotic locations over facebook.
Another child that lived with her grandmother was appallingly behaved at primary school, she moves off to live with the mother and does not start the local secondary school. The mother was allegedly involved with drink and drugs and the child is then taken into council care. The child is now 15/16 and last month the mother committed suicide aged 33.
Another child that happened to be in my son's class this time. The mother has 8 kids by various different blokes, she has never worked, lives in a council house, kids have been in care. Her oldest kid she had at the age of 19 and dumped him to live with the grandmother. The kid had Aspergers, but they still let him run the streets where he was getting into trouble, but despite being charged with crimes they were never tried because of his mental state, this kid winds up being killed and the circumstances around this means that there was a massive Independent Police Commission inquiry. Another of her kids that was in my son's class continually bullied my son in the final year of primary and despite going in regularly and telling the school to keep them apart they chose to blame my son, because of course I am the decent person that does not show up and shout my mouth. This child was expelled within a week of starting high school. He went onto another school where other parents I knew had children and was a nightmare there too and we believe he was expelled from there too. There were rumours all around the primary that the kid had behaved in an inappropriate way with younger children and the next thing you know his uncle was convicted for child porn. That family are a Jeremy Kyle show in themselves.
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@ThereIsOnlyOneStuart It is extremely scary, as of course I already know what it is like to need emergency treatment through not being able to breath and obviously I assume that if I was to contract it that I would not survive. In many ways though, I am lucky that I live in a rural town, I am able to go out in my garden and in the first wave we were not so badly affected here. Problem is that this has left people complacent.
I am guessing that if you know people that have either been very bad or passed away as a result then everyone around them is more careful afterwards, here you do see many people in the street and shops that do not wear masks, People have such a poor understanding of epidemics. They nearly always hit cities and ports first and spread outwards from there. Places like London, which were badly hit during the first wave are now likely to have a much greater population of people that are immune to it and so it is likely to transmit more poorly there than in communities that do not have many immune individuals. People forget that side of the story, so people that you talk to will say it is fine here, it is all in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Cardiff, it is only now that it is starting to spread here and even so people are, 'once the jab is here, we will be fine'. Even my own parents don't really understand that they need 2 doses of that jab for a decent level of protection and that you need a decent percentage of the population to be innoculated to offer protection, because there will be members of the population for which the vaccine is not 100% effective.
Today I read that 72% of the BAME population are unlikely to have the jab. So I suspect that a reservoir of the disease will continue to do the rounds in areas with big BAME populations. After innoculations in the rest of the population, then new mutations will emerge from areas of low vaccine uptake and eventually there will be a mutation that will beat the vaccine and we could be back to square one again. How long that would take to happen is anyone's guess.
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@globalmuffin2 I am a single parent, my son is disabled and my husband walked out when he was 10 months old, so I am dependent upon state benefits, which are a little more generous because of my son's disabilities. So far we have always been able to manage. How long that will be so, we don't know. But when I did work, I was careful with my money, and I have little choice now. Back 16 years ago, my work mate used to spend £90 per month getting her hair coloured, I only pay £20 even now to cover my greys, it was all being done on credit cards and then people used to moan that they were unable to afford their own home. Most people earning less than median earnings would struggle to save much, but £50,000 is a reasonable wage.
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@misschief4283 Quite clearly, you have never studied or worked for Cambridge University. You absolutely do not stab them in the back by bringing the university into disrepute. Going to the police would be deemed just that. University has proctors that uphold the university's laws as determined by the university equivalent of parliament, the Senate House. The standard of proof is the criminal standard of proof ie 'beyond reasonable doubt' rather than the civil law standard of proof 'on the balance of probability'
Both students and employees are permitted representation through recognised unions. As for trained, they have no shortage of law experts themselves. As I am sure you are aware many incidents of bad behaviour happen in private and as such that can make them very difficult to prove, either as an in-house case or within the law courts. In this incident, the university upheld the complaint as there were texts sent from the perpetrator's 'phone to the complanent's 'phone. Despite upholding the complaint the university failed to impliment a suitable solution that would keep the two apart without detrimenting the victim.
I am not excusing the university, but the vast majority of complaints that it deals with would not meet the evidential threshold that is set by the Crown Prosecution Service and in those sorts of cases the most that the police can do is issue a caution, most people are aware that you can refuse to accept a caution and so if the person does this, they walk off without any criminal record whatsoever. Unfortunately, that is the way that it is, the law sadly, does not always punish those that do wrong and to be fair, if you ever are involved in a criminal trial, it is a very draining and long process.
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@misschief4283 Actually, I did work for them and I am not sure how you think I have contradicted myself. A lot of what goes on there is not ideal. Your question asks, why are they handling these issues internally. The reality is that it is about reputation and damage limitation , as far as they are concerned. It is not great for them if you students or staff involve the police and matters come out in open court, because whilst the victim of sexual assaults and rapes would be anonymous, the perpetrator would be revealed as a member of the university. In this case as it is harassment, she probably would not be anonymous.
You perhaps think that there is a conflict when I said beyond reasonable doubt and then said about the evidential standards of the CPS. Well sorry, but the CPS can be a law unto themselves too. They are at least partially funded by the taxpayer, so they are obliged to only take forward cases that they feel confident in getting a conviction in. It constantly remains a mystery as to why they drop many of the cases. Sometimes I wonder if it is simple overload. The police are frequently frustrated as to the number of cases that get dropped. The reality in this case is that whilst the perpetrators texts and attention were unwelcome, if they simply consisted of nothing more than sexual innuendo, then the CPS may take the view that this is too low down the criminal scale to bother.
I have personally had experience of this as my ex tried to run me over and nothing came of the police investigations, he did not get so much as a caution. He went on to attack wife number 2 and he was charged with the offence and initially bailed, when new evidence came to light and he was remanded in custody. Wife number 2 then rescinded her statement and the CPS did not carry it forward, despite the fact that they are supposed to do that in cases of domestic violence. I can only assume that she was frightened into taking this course of action.
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