Comments by "Banana" (@439bananas) on "Only Human" channel.

Lots of disability living allowance?
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@SuperA1507 Well, you would have hoped that knowing that the parents were related, that genetic tests would have been done following the birth of any disabled child and the parents told the outcome and appraised of the likelihood of having more disabled children. I was born in 1969 and there was a disabled kid in my class at school. He was odd-looking, he looked like he had Aperts Syndrome and had been born with his legs on back to front. He had an older brother that was also affected and a younger sister too, their mother also had these facial characteristics. His older brother came home from work ill one day and went to bed, he was found dead in bed the next day aged 17/18. My classmate was also found dead in bed at the age of 22/23. Both brothers were found to have heart defects and after the second brother died their mother and sister were found to have the same defects and were successfully treated. The whole family had vast amounts of treatment over the years, you would have thought that after having 2 children with the same disabilities that they would have figured that more would be a likelihood. My classmate was not Asian and so I don't know how the disability arose with his mother, but it was inherited. Things are too PC these days and you can bet your bottom dollar that if there was the public campaign that there ought to be to put a stop to first cousin marriages, it would be branded racist when in fact all that any sane person wants is to protect the resources of the NHS and the welfare state by simply avoiding the creation of individuals whose lives are absolutely blighted by the sorts of conditions seen here.
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Actually it is 1 in 4 affected, plus 2 out of 4 unaffected carriers of the gene who could also go on to marry a first cousin and have the same risk of disabled kids.
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@harrydesai7779 I also had a cousin who unknowingly married a distant relative. Their first child was fine, but their second child started to repeatedly break her bones at age 4, she was taken into care, where of course she continued to break more bones, because the older child did not have a problem social services knew that it was not a result of abuse and she was returned. This was the late 1980s and at the time they did not name the syndrome, but subsequently, I reckon that it would be osteogenesis imperfecta. They said it was a genetic condition and research showed that my cousin was distantly related to her husband, if that can happen with people that are only distantly related then the chance of it happening with cousins must be horrendously high and even more so when the practice is repeated down the generations. Genetic disease as a result of offspring between related parents is not a racist thing it affects all races pretty equally if they CHOOSE to indulge in that practice. It is bad enough that children can be born disabled without their parents being related, who would willingly risk god only knows what disability in their children or grandchildren if they were aware of the risk in the first place?
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So difficult for you, I hope that they don't try to make you marry a relative.
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@RaysRena Even where parents are not related, children can have a genetic problem called a point mutation, this is where there has been a mutation in the DNA of either the ova or a single sperm that has fertilised the egg. Whatever problem that would cause, which if it is a recessive condition would not even be apparent, would not reoccur in any subsequent siblings. The problem here is the fact that the parents are related. Many genetic conditions are what is termed recessive. Genes come in pairs, just Like jeans! but in the ova and sperm they don't, they only pair up at conception. This means that if there is a fault with one of the pair and it is a recessive gene, then the gene from the other pair can take over the function. If you are inbreeding then you massively up the chance of marrying someone with the same genetic faults as yourself so there will not always be a second healthy gene to take on the role performed by one faulty gene.
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@deathscythe26duo Exactly, most people do not understand probability. In fact folk with these conditions, if they are insistent on having more kids should be paying for IVF and pre-implantation genetics to be done.
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@abdullahfarooq9183 It is wrong to have kids here and expect them to see people all around marrying partners for love and not expect their own kids to want to do the same.
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@deathscythe26duo Exactly, if you know that you carry the CF gene then given that 1 in 37 of the population have it then the ideal is to get together with someone without the gene, failing that, then either adopt or go down the pre implantaion genetic testing route. What is the sense of bringing children into the world that have a very high 1 in 4 chance per child of having it, terrible to knowingly bring a child into the world that you know will suffer, when it would have been better not to create that child in the first place.
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I think it is more common in situations where the people live within areas that have a high density of Pakistanis and there is a higher community pressure to conform to traditional Pakistani values. The risks of first-cousin marriage need to be discussed within schools and Imams need to be discussing this with their followers. The problem is that children with these conditions eat up resources and the children and their families must live in misery.
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@sta4rgi1rl Well it is not easy to live with a severely disabled child. My cousin had 2 children the first was OK, but the second had osteogenesis imperfecta. It is a rare recessive gene disorder and it turned out that my cousin and her husband were distantly related, it was a dreadful condition and to think that it occurred when people are not even first cousins, it beggars belief that seeing such conditions people continue with such a tradition that is bringing such misery.
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Monarchy used to do it. The Queen is related to Prince Philip and Prince Charles was extremely distantly related to Princess Diana, but his sons have not followed suit.
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It is just a matter of good luck that no problems have occurred. A relative of mine married a more distant relative and only discovered that they were related when one of their 2 children developed osteogenesis imperfecta and genetic testing was performed, this led to a lot of family tree tracing. The more times that a family marry back into their own family the more chance of problems arising. Don't believe me, then google Habsburg jaw. The royal house of Spain repeatedly in married and the result was an unsightly jaw until the line came to an end with a very sickly King who despite 2 marriages could not sire offspring.
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@akirniayt3543 The osteogenesis imperfecta gene is incredibly rare in the population as evidenced by the rarity of the condition. I reckon that my risk of being a carrier is about 1 in 16, but unless I had planned on marrying a relative, then it is pretty irrelevant. My cousin at the time of marriage was unaware that her spouse was in fact very distantly related, given what happened the risk to people that marry cousins is absolutely horrendous. The risks need to be spelt out to people without folk saying that this is either racist or some form of discrimination against the disabled. The truth is that if people were not having children with their own relatives then there would be fewer disabled children and more resources for those that there are.
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The end goal is to encourage them not to marry first cousins in the first place.
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Exactly!
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Only allow cousin marriage on condition of sterilisation.
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In Britain, you used to need special permission to marry a cousin.
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But some of these people live in areas that are so dense with people from their own culture that they have very little exposure to anything else. In the UK if parents want absolute control over their kids they either send them to religious schools or they home school them so they have no chance of knowing anyone non muslim.
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Also people with relatively mild genetic conditions were probably either shunned or there was not the medical help available to help them reach reproductive age.
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In one branch of my family, back in the 1800's, 2 brothers from one family married 2 sisters from another family and then a child from each of the partnerships married. That bloodline unsurprisingly ended there. They would have been way more related than cousins, worry, but at least they were unaware of the science we now know.
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Exactly, the more frequently that they do this, the more that these genetic mutations will affect successive generations. It is a time bomb for our healthcare systems and our welfare state, because of course despite having one child that has a genetic disability they choose to have more.
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Exactly, I had a cousin with 2 children first child healthy second child had a recessive gene disorder, they did not burden themselves or the state with more kids.
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@youare5907 If you are speaking about my cousin, they had no idea that the family had a recessive gene disorder until the younger child started to repeatedly get broken bones and neither did social services. Their younger child was taken into care, where she continued to get broken bones and so was returned to them, this was back in the late 80s and the child then had genetic analysis. The older child was not ill, but could have been a carrier. With recessive disorders, the children have a 25% chance of being affected by the condition, a 50% chance of being a carrier of the defective gene and a 25% chance of being neither affected or a carrier. So you can see that if a carrier of such a condition marries back into their own family, the chances of having an affected child are massively multiplied. My cousin, it turned out, was distantly related to her spouse, they did not know this at the time of their marriage and they must have both been carriers of the defective gene to have an affected child, but as I said they had the sense not to have any more children, unlike the folk in this video.
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The Quran does not say anything either way about cousin marriages, what seems to happen frequently is that it is about keeping wealth within the marriage or sometimes it can be about getting other families to live in this country.
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Many Muslims are because many vaccines are not Halal.
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Everyone has a right to do what they want with their body, but they have to remember that they have done that to themselves and that there are people that will not accept that as being er normal. It is not discrimination to want someone that is a presentable face for your business.
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@RaysRena That is lucky!
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Or maybe the government is too chicken to do anything about it for fear of being branded racist. Anyone that wants to protect their precious white children, wants to protect the NHS from overuse by reducing preventable disabilities.
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