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@sweruw268 when we leave the EU, the UK will be able to IMMEDIATELY lower tarrifs on goods facing outwards.
That means that we can expect cheaper goods from Africa, Asia, USA, americas, Middle East, Carribean, you name it.
We can get NICE, JUICY, TASTY Fruits from outside the EU, instead of the flavourless, bland CRAP we get from the EU.
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@strofikornego9408
Single European Act
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
That is what leaving means. It means the UK is no longer participating in eu treaties.
The single market and customs union are constructed by the EU treaties.
To become a member of CU and SM means rejoining.
The EFTA agreement was not on the ballot either, before you try that trick.
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qpae123 that's a silly remark.
People buy what they WANT to buy, has a good reputation and fits their needs.
Nobody is suggesting that Brits will buy cars from India.
We buy cars from UK, Germany and Italy. Which is exactly why Germany and Italy will want 0 tarrif sales into UK.
We buy a lot more from EU than we SELL to them.
We can sell more to India, Canada, USA, Australia, new Zealand, new Guinea, Malaysia, south Korea, China, ....
IF we can make agreements outside the EU. The EU takes AGES to make... Very very bad, beurocratic trade deals, which Donald Trump wants to chuck out because they are STITCH-UPS. AND HE'S RIGHT.
The UK can make efficient bespoke trade deals ON OUR OWN. Much more tailored to UK and much friendlier to trade partners. EU beurocrats are not exactly business minded.
Cheers.
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It's already decided.
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
See? Already decided.
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Pure drivel.
The remain campaigns and lib dems have been fined for spending breaches and submitting dodgy invoices.
The also colluded between campaigns by daily phone conference which is against campaigning rules.
Remain co-opted IMF / LaGarde, BoE Mark Carney (who should have been neutral), Lying Chancellor George Osborne threatening us with a punishment budget, OECD, CBI, Obama brought over to lecture us and project fear in general was an INSULT to us.
Chuka Amuna is NEVER right. He's ALWAYS a remoaner.
He's LYING right here about the BUS again. As we have repeatedly told MOANING LIARS who want to remain, the BUS NEVER PROMISED ANYTHING. It NEVER said the NHS should get the full brexit dividend. It was pointing out that we COULD FUND the NHS instead. But then REMOANERS DON'T WANT to fund the NHS. DO they?
No instead they want to LIE AND WHINE AND MOAN AND CRAP ON with Project FEAR as usual.
Forget the leave campaign. MOST leave voters made up their minds years ago that the EU SUCKS.
I waited 22 years to fire the scumbags.
But remoaners are going to go ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON A FUCKING ON
About SECOND (nonexistent) REFERENDUM. HOW LEAVE FUCKING CHEATED and we ALL voted because we are brainwashed leave voters susceptible to cheating.
I want to explain something to your stupid remoaner ass.
If I thought for even a moment that the entire brexit dividend was likely to be poured into the blood sucking black hole that is the NHS I would probably have voted to remain.
But remoaners are such LIARS that they cannot stop banging on about the SAME OLD SHIT we've heard from them for two years, since we had the NERVE to vote to leave.
The reason why Cameron and his ilk didn't bother with an exit strategy is because they thought we, the electorate, we so easy to manipulate and LIE to that ALL they had to do was hit us with a Phil Spector like wall of fear and we'd all whincingly, snivellingly crumble and whimper a remain vote out. WELL FUCK THEM and FUCK LYING REMOANERS.
Chukka Amuna can FUCK OFF TOO. He's ANOTHER lying toe rag.
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Zargulio uk has loads of talent.
Don't be anxious.
What we need now is a brief hiatus so we can decide the direction ahead.
I personally would like to see uk adopt the following approach but it would take leadership that puts uk and EU interests before party or personal.
1. We exit by repealing the 1972 ec act instead of article 50. This would be a clear signal that the uk is making the decisions.
2. We make a CLEAR, UNEQUIVOCAL statement that we will NOT be cajoled or strongarmed into accepting free movement of people as a condition of access to the corporate cartel posing as the "single" market. We can just as easily make conditions to access our market.
Many countries: Canada, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand are already making overtures to the uk for access to our market and Australia even wants to re-instate visa free travel mutually.
3. If the EU are intransigent regarding free movement, we ignore them. Absolutely IGNORE them and offer tariff free trade to any country that will reciprocate (within reason)
This will send trade shockwaves through the EU countries who will get an APPETITE for actually trading without having to polish the knobs of the kratz.
That means we will accept import of goods and services that confirm to our laws and we will conform to the trading partners laws.
4. We repatriate our fishing areas, and start building up our fishing industry.
5. We make policy for our agriculture that fits our needs and do our damnedest to make farming profitable and attractive to our farmers (and dairy ofc, and poultry and eggs and related industries). It means UK can start producing wide varieties again and these markets can get liberalised.
We can start industrialising again. In the EU the Germans took the industrial mantle while we were given the financial thingies to do. Be in no doubt that the EU always wanted to scupper our financial sector and would have done it by hook or by crook if we had remained.
That way the EU could have totally pussy whipped and subjugated us.
6. We dismantle many of the silly EU rules and REDISCOVER our culture. My grandmother used to make turkey meals at Christmas and used turkey giblets to make delicious dishes. Under eu rules as I understand it, poultry has to be totally eviscerated. I think you can ask for giblets at a butcher but I'm not sure... but we can rediscover those great uses of food we had.
The EU may press on with TTIP and the USA want to be able to sell GM foods into the EU without labeling.
We can make a law that REQUIRES labeling of GM foods and stop that nonsense.
Under the EU we would have to wear whatever the secret negotiations forced on us. We can have EXCELLENT rules about healthy food products that SUIT OUR NEEDS.
7. We protect eu residents in the uk who entered legitimately, and treat them as we would have done under the eu. We would expect our ex-pats to receive equivalent treatment.
We can open up our immigration and visiting visas to the world again and revive our once fantastic private education industry which brought so many people to our country to learn and sample uk life.
This was wrecked by labour and conservatives in an attempt to convince people we had control over the immigration figures. It was all a lie and now uk is a stench in the nostrils of overseas students.
Seriously..... I could go on and on.
But mostly, we need to be CONFIDENT and go out with HIGH EXPECTATIONS and have clear lines we will not allow crossed so they know we are serious.
We need to stand out ground on issues that matter to us and not be brow beaten by the eu as they will take advantage of any perceived weakness...
I could add but that should give a tenor of thought for now. I could mention having our OWN foreign policy (which we generally do anyway) but strengthened to reflect UK concerns. ... I could go on and on.
Mostly we need to ignore all the negative doomladen crap the media are wanking themselves over right now.
.... over to you. ..
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@Lies Tricks
No. They do not.
Again, you don't even sound like a UK resident, let alone voter.
CPTPP is set to expand, with
. Indonesia
. Philippines
. Thailand
. Ecuador
. Taiwan
. South Korea
and even, possibly, China, set to accede. China has formally applied, so have Ecuador and Taiwan.
But hey. You will believe and propagate ANYTHING that suits your any brexit stance. It worn't work, chief.
And the UK has just traded the most, ever into the EU. We haven't as you deceitfully claim, "lost 7bn". That's an absolute load of remoaner twaddle.
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@uweinhamburg
It doesn't matter.
This discussion is largely pointless.
The UK was not allowed to have its own trade ties and reciprocal agreements with its commonwealth partners because that is / was the purview of the eu.
We can't adjust our immigration policy to fit our needs because we have only symbolic control (not feasible to police) over entry from the EU.
The only way our government can pretend it has control over immigration is by penalising third countries.
Hence the recent raising of quotas for health care workers from people outside the EU.
My point was that once properly in control of our immigration, we can adjust it to meet our national needs. We will not be lock stepped into the EU policy which causes us so much TROUBLE.
There are FOUR MILLION Eu27 immigrants in the UK compared to 1.2 million uk expats in the EU 27. Our lot go to the continent to RETIRE and receive uk state pensions.
Eu27 come to uk for work, and send a lot of money home, and pressurise our infrastructure INCLUDING the NHS.
So it's a very unbalanced "freedom" that raises the cost of living for UK citizens.
Our politicians have gotten away with pandering to the EU FAR TOO LONG.
Since you are reconciled to the fact we are leaving, I really don't see why you are involving yourself in this situation. You're adding nothing in particular to it.
So let's just agree that the UK is leaving the EU, and leave it at that.
That idiot before who tried to act like i didn't know we were leaving the CU and SM... Actually I want nothing to do with people like that.
Trying to misrepresent me TO MYSELF. I can only conclude that there is a new insanity sweeping the world that robs people of reason.
I've blocked, muted, hidden and reported him. Idiots like that get thrown into the bit bucket without delay.
I have no desire AT ALL to interact with remoaners. But they appear to want to lecture me.
You've escaped so far because you haven't rubbed me up the wrong way.
That's just by way of explanation.
And you haven't attempted to convert me into being a remoaner, or told me i believed the "leave campaign lies" (I've waited two decades to fire the eu).
Or demanded that I explain why I voted leave, like condescending remoaners do because they think I should fucking BOW to their ORDERS. Demands like that result in an immediate bit bucket response, i don't even give a warning.
So there you have it. My attitude to remoaners...
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@balajay8921
I have been through this over and over and over with remoaners.
I'm really not prepared to listen to this whining any more.
I wrote consignment tracking and logistics software over 2 decades ago that was meant to guarantee that consignments traversed to destination without interference.
There are logistics companies all over the world that track consignments of goods using a variety of techniques, overseas and land borders. ...
Customs compliance can be established at the source and destination of consignments. It is actually done ALL OVER WORLD.
https://youtu.be/EWDLfmTb8nw
SINCE 2011.
Tracking vehicles just as easy.
Clem Jones Toll tunnel charging vehicles past as they pass through a toll tunnet SINCE 2010
Long distance ANPR. Has been happening for years
https://youtu.be/sw2Rk0BqxwI
Checking can be done AWAY from borders and along traffic routes.
Customs information can be declared on invoices and delivery notices JUST LIKE VAT and like CURRENCY exchange which happens RIGHT NOW.
Vehicle license plates can be issued WITH RFID built INTO them.
And consignments can have RFID tags, QR codes / Bar codes, tare and weight information and and it call all be tacked onto a database of what the consignment contains, and so no paperwork would be required since the data can be shared in this wonderful age of CONNECTEDNESS. and ubiquitous IT.
As for cattle and livestock
Before they get moved they are checked for health. That happens NOW without any issues. This is well documented and can be checked when livestock arrives at a destination.
Agri goods (dairy, poultry, meat, fruit and veg and so on) are just goods in transit.
Precious metals such as gold, silver, platinum and so on are EXEMPT from customs and tariffs ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Apart from that, NI trades perfume, farm equipment, gas turbines.
This site says the top 5 export groups from NI to EU are:
https://www.assemblyresearchmatters.org/2017/06/14/goods-northern-ireland-export-much-worth-go/
Machinery (like I said, farm equipment and turbines, computers too), Chemicals (perfume, medicines), Food and livestock, and "manufactured goods" which is probably computers and tech.
The ONS (Office of National Statistics) has comprehensive records of what NI trades into the EU. It is WELL KNOWN.
You are inventing problems and all this drivel is dealt with in various ways AROUND THE WORLD.
I am really sick of hearing this kind of moaning rubbish.
Don't ask me any more stupid remoaner questions. If you try any more of this drivel I will immediately MUTE and BLOCK you.
You can find someone ELSE to WHINE at.
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OK.
then let me try to deliver you from this silly nonsense.
Whether we are IN the EU or OUT of the EU ...
If we are IN the EU the EU wants to do all the negotiating for us. And TTIP was on the cards, and something I did not want because of all the
. Lobbying
. Secrecy
. Obscurantism
. Lack of democracy
of the EU doing TTIP with the USA.
Trump doesn't like multilateral trade deals, and I think he is RIGHT. He MUCH prefers bilateral trade deals because they are much better tailored and can be updated without too much fuss.
If we are IN the EU, the UK has very very little control over that. So it's a double whammy.
Once we are OUT of the EU we can negotiate trade deals on our OWN TERMS and if we don't like the deal, we don't have to take it.
And whether in, or out, you and I as individuals have little say over what is negotiated. That is done at a national government level, for obvious reasons, because our national governments are authorised to deal with each other over those issues.
It doesn't MATTER that we are the UK.
ANY country that wants to have a bilateral trade deal with the USA will have to negoatiate with them. And vice versa. THAT IS SIMPLY LIFE. There is NOTHING you can do about that accept realise that THAT is how life actually IS.
If you don't like "US Rubbish" then my advice is .... DON'T BUY IT.
Because if you don't like it, you have the ultimate power to decide NOT TO BUY IT.
On the other hand, if you LIKE something, you can BUY it if you have the money to do so. That's the BEAUTY of markets. Nobody is FORCING you to buy anything. You don't have to.
If the USA wants access to our health care system, we have two options.
We can agree to that or we can disagree ... that is a matter for the goverment to judge.
We can ask for quid pro quo's
We can simply rule it out and the US government will have similar restrictions. They don't like HAGGIS being sold in the USA.
They are perfectly entitled not import haggis. We CAN'T FORCE THEM to and they can't FORCE US to have chlorine bleached chicken that all the remoaners WHINE on about.
It's really simple.
Stop worrying yourself about it because you have little power over it. In the EU you have less power because they negotiate for 28 countries, not just ours. So everything goes down to a bottom line.
On our own we can be MUCH MORE dynamic and trade things off against other things. That's what trade deals are about.
So really. Stop making such a big deal about it because the UK is about to do what ALL of those countries around the world ROUTINELY DO. We are about to negotiate FOR OURSELVES. What is the PROBLEM?
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@pierrevallet6188 Try voting the PRESIDENTS out. Or the COMMISSIONERS.
When are we going to get a signed off set of accounts? Never had any yet.
What do you call an organisation that breaks its own rules to suit itself? For example, bailing out banks and robbing Cypriot savings accounts to do it? Bail out itself was against the EU functioning.
What do you call an organisation that "grants permission" to the UK to "taper" social security spending on NON UK residents?
What do you call an organisation that ORDERS Poland to accept refugees when the Polish have NO INTENTION of diluting their culture or allowing rapists and child / women molesters come into their Christian country to rape children in swimming pools and molest women on a beach?
What do you call an organisation that can SUSPEND YOUR RIGHTS TO VOTE if you don't BOW AND SCRAPE to them?
What do you call an organisation that thinks nothing of lying about establishing a standing military and hides its plans so that they can swing a national plebiscite their way? And then when the plebiscite is over, breaks cover and announces that they are going all out to establish a military?
What do you call an organisation that tells you, you can keep your pound (Oh, thank you very fucking MUCH, MASTER), and secretly is planning to bind you in to a currency that is a disaster?
What do you call an organisation that tells you what fucking WATTAGE YOUR GOD DAMNED VACUUM CLEANER can be?
My guess is the EU doesn't want anything to SUCK more that IT does.
What do you call an organisation that BANS CHEAP, EFFECTIVE over the counter medicines that have been used since before WWI and makes only expensive, ineffective first line medicines an option, so they can line the pockets of the big PHARMA companies AT OUR EXPENSE?
What do you call an organisation that loses over £4bn A YEAR that it CAN NOT ACCOUNT for?
What do you call an organisation that talks down at every one of its member states? Like the sun fucking shines out of their ARSE HOLES?
What do you call an organisation where the apparatchiks roll up to their workplaces in chauffeur driven vehicles, clock in, collect £200 and then fuck off to the golf course?
What do you call an organisation that establishes POINTLESS and USELESS committees like the fisheries committee that HAS NO POWER AT ALL, and grants positions to MEPs on them to keep things sweet and on the gravy train?
What do you call an organisation that fucking BANGS ON ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE and does a travelling ROAD SHOW every six fucking months, moving everything, lock stock and barrel, because of national pride?
What do you call an organisation that the FRENCH WOULD VOTE TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW if they had a referendum? What do you call that?
I could go on .... but there you are.
The EU is the wrong answer to a question NOBODY FUCKING ASKED.
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FarmerSchinken
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
Don't talk any more weaselly rubbish at me.
The EU are supposed to take into account the framework for its future relationship.
That is all encompassing. Its comprehensive. There is no point in even mentioning it otherwise.
I fucking HATE lying idiots mate so don't try it.
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