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No, I didn't mean 40%. But it was closer than you think. Just not in the right constituencies. And it came VERY close in 2017! Some people say that just an extra 2,500 odd votes - bit less than that - again in the right constituencies of course - would have tipped Corbyn over into victory and premiership. Certainly gave May a scare!
So basically: Labour people in the marginal constituencies should have given all their kids and their kids' friends and any student they came near, a big kick up the backside, in 2017, to get them registered to vote, and voting Labour. 😏
THAT would surely have helped a bit.
But, of course, the fact that many New Labour run constituencies, both in 2017 and 2019, didn't want to help Corbyn (even Andy Burnham is guilty) because they thought of him as the Antichrist - or rather they knew that they themselves were antisocialist - didn't help at all. And THEN, the morning after in 2019, I heard a torrent of them come on Radio 4, wailing and GNASHING their teeth and blaming Corbyn - all because they had been paid back for their basic party disloyalty, by losing their seats! 😏
At least THAT was a bit of satisfaction I had! 😌
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There IS no Corbyn v Starmer "psychodrama". 🙄 You lot on Joe are trying to make all this seem "legitimate": eg like "the warring brothers Miliband." 😏
Newsflash to Joe politics and subscribers:
1) British politics is not Marvel Comics/movies (it would be far less dirty if it were!) 😏
We are not talking a Shakespearian/comic book "battle of the rivals" here. All it is, is a nasty little two-faced man (Starmer), financed by Israel + God knows who, attacking, marginalising, and as we see now, eventually purging an honest man, namely Jeremy Corbyn.
The irony that Starmer started politics on Corbyn's front bench should not be lost on the UK voting public. 😏
It shows basically what a rotten structure the Labour Party now is, though.
Also ironic, is thar Starmer is yet another of these political amateurs: rather like BoJo the blundering clown. 🤡
Whereas it is Corbyn: despite his lack of Cabinet service (which no-one was going to give him during the Blair years anyway 😏) who is the experienced politician.
2) Down with each and every click bait title on YouTube!
Having said that, the body of the video was informative, even if "impressionistic": because vox pops by their very nature are not representative. 😏
I find it telling that the fresh-faced young guy feels himself able to say he "supports Corbyn" (remaining in the Labour Party?) But doesn't dare campaign for him, as he knows he would be expelled.
My question is: the Labour Party in the UK is now such a rotten structure - that why would anyone "grassroots" want to support it at all?? 😏
Especially anyone young. I suppose the young man interviewed is one of these "urban leftists" who support the Labour Party on grounds of identity politics, or something.
Not good enough a reason to be a Labour Party supporter, I'm afraid. 😏 He could always go Green.
And the majority of the country aren't going to support a Labour Party which is anti-worker and pro-elite. 👎
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Yeah. Nobody's perfect. But putting the word "Hitler" on your thumbnail is unforgivably inappropriate, which is why I've thumbed down your video. STOP CLICKBAITING!! 😠
IF Churchill were "like Hitler" in thoughts and im personality, he would have sought to TEAM UP WITH Hitler, as the fascist Mussolini did. He didn't. He defended the UK to the hilt. Even when Britain was "fighting alone", which we were at the start. Hitler wanted to put Churchill in a concentration camp.
IF Churchill would have been a modern liberal wimp - like Keir Starmer for example - the closest equivalent then was Neville Chamberlain: well he wanted to capitulate to the Nazis! All sellouts in all ages are similar, imo. 😏
& I'm a socialist, & I'm prepared to come out in favour of Churchill. Mind you, I am the daughter of a Free Czech airman, who fought in the Battle Of Britain and later joined the RAF. 😏
Tariq Ali might well have a beef against Churchill: but then he would, because he is from a colonised country! 😏 What Thatcher tried to do with Churchill's memory is neither here nor there.
But the desire for modern "political correctness", particularly on racial issues, in my view has totally distorted politics (look what's happened to the Labour party!) And made people AHISTORICAL and unrealistic in their analyses.
Stop putting "Hitler" on your thumbnails in that ahistorical, "woke" and frankly ridiculous manner, and then I might bother to watch a video like this to its end. Otherwise, not. 👎
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We don't really talk about "the popular vote" here, since it is an American term, applicable to Presidential elections.
The FPTP system also causes large distortions, including some quite bizarre ones, as detailed in Alex Nunn's book about Corbyn, The Candidate.
But interesting things come out when the breakdowns are done properly! Such as that Labour did LOTS better in 2017 than it did in 2005, never mind 2010 - its vote peaked in 2017 - yet that STILL wasn't enough to win it an election, whereas a lesser result was in 2001 and 2005. 🤷♂️
Labour didn't do NEARLY so badly in 2015, either, as the Tories and their sympathisers would have you believe. They had a good old sneer in their papers at Ed afterwards. Yet: the Labour "vote share" went up slightly overall, and up 3.5% or similar in England. BUT the LibDem vote collapsed, probably because of their treachery to the students (and this was before Brexit, as well, so people couldn't vote for them as "the party of Remain".)
So the Tories had those seats; the SNP hoovered up most of the seats in Scotland, and overall the working class wasn't much inspired by Ed's "austerity lite" manifesto. So the Tories won overall in 2015, without even having to go into coalition. So that really marked the end of New Labour ruling the Labour Party, and the rise of Corbyn and his supporters. Everything since 2019 - and before - has just been a result of that outmoded wing of Labour trying to claw its way back to power again. If they win through the avatar of Starmer in a year or two, it will only be by default. 😏👎
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This was a silly question/video from five months ago!! 🙄 Especially now it's proven by months of polling that #Starmer is NOT popular!!
Why did you, Joe interviewer, interview all these fogeys? And where did you dredge them up??
And where are the YOUTH?? Moved to London, to get jobs?
All the problems mentioned here - need for job creation, end to rough sleeping, etc, WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED BY THE ELECTION OF JEREMY CORBYN: And by the implementation of the manifesto the party, under him, voted for!!
NOT by "Keeef". He's a right-wing #wetwipe - as the team producing your excellent music parody videos well know - and they sing it out loud!! 🎶👍
Bolsover should be ashamed of kicking their faithful MP,, Dennis Skinner, both in his teeth and while he was down: for a hip operation!!
What good could a scummy Tory ever do for Bolsover?
👎👎👎👎👎
#StarmerOut
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@rayboish That's the first part of my reply. The second part is that all these Eastern European countries were satellite countries of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union has long been recognised, as not really a Communist country as Karl Marx envisaged, but as a form of state capitalism, as opposed to individual capitalism. (They had social classes and wildly differing wage rates, so I don't see how it could be described differently. Or if you're a Trotskyist you could describe it as a "deformed workers' state", I suppose: but frankly I don't bother!)
I don't see anything in the basic doctrine of Socialism (and remember, Karl Marx was not the first socialist) that says that it should be authoritarian socialism, or any kind of non-democracy. If you have that kind of "socialism", you're only going to have a situation where the pigs take over the farm, anyway: just like in Orwell's fable. 🙂
The late George Orwell, like the late Tony Benn and the very much alive Jeremy Corbyn, was anyway a *libertarian socialist*. Which is the same as what I am. 🤷♂️
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I think that the REAL questions, PoliticsJOE, for a channel such as yours both to ask and answer, instead of all the nonsense being indulged in by today's "pundit" (silly made-up names for social segments in "focus groups" and things like that.. 😏)
Are: QUESTIONS like, WHY do we have such awful, rotten, insincere and corrupt (and totally incompetent) politicians in Britain today?? 😏😏
Hmm?? Riddle us that!! 😏
AND: WHY, whenever any prospect for REAL change rears its head in a political party, which can ONLY come from the left: WHY is that ALWAYS headed off, by some poisonous combination of the MSM, and people like Farage?? Who the MSM give full rein to? 😏
And WHY don't sites like your own devote more time to THOSE questions, and interrogating every prat you can get your hands on re them: and nor merely giving airspace to "pundits"?? 😏😏
And you can tell that guy, that Reform UK are NEVER going to be the answer to ANYTHING!! 👎👎👎
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