Comments by "Peter" (@peter65zzfdfh) on "" video.

@Muskar2 you probably don’t have your home charger vandalised or run over the cable etc. ultimately a lot of non Tesla chargers aren’t ‘for profit’ so no one budgets any maintenance when installing them. Even if 90% are maintained just as well as Tesla chargers you will notice that 10%. Eventually that 10% will stop bothering to install chargers as the 90% grows.
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@Zaerki because Elon is 10 years too late. There’s already a standard everywhere but Tesla in North America. Even Tesla’s don’t use the NA Tesla charger outside NA. The push for making the Tesla charger a standard now comes from the realisation soon Tesla’s in NA will be fiddling with adapters to use the majority of chargers. The connector itself doesn’t give you the seamless payment, (that’s the fact Tesla owns both the charger and makes the car) all the other problems would still exist if other companies used the Tesla connector.
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@Muskar2 it doesn’t sound like you read or understood my comment before replying because I said the things you’re‘correcting’ verbatim. Tesla’s standard is the Betamax of chargers. Better but ultimately the loser because they kept it proprietary until a decade too late. The standard is settled and it’s not Teslas connector, it’s irrelevant that it’s better in ways that are largely irrelevant for non Tesla vehicles. People don’t care about the disadvantages of CCS/Type2 because they can use the same charger and don’t have the issue mentioned in the video anywhere but in NA Tesla vehicles. Tesla’s home chargers are significantly worse technically too, and lack the advanced features third party chargers have innovated with.
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@adamkormendi5904 not just Europe, every EV in the last ~10 years everywhere except North America has adopted that standard, even in Teslas sold outside NA. The Tesla charger is the FireWire of chargers, early, good, but doomed long term. Because standards > * .
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@Muskar2 and you’re missing that a large number of public chargers are installed to tick a box. The people installing them don’t care if they stop working 12 months later. That’s not a standards thing, that’s a human problem. Tesla chargers break down often enough, you’ve not used many if you haven’t come across them broken. But they’re actually fixed and in NA they have plenty of alternatives. Elsewhere they’re the minority of chargers.
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@Muskar2 also worth noting that ‘backwards compatibility’ you somehow think is a disadvantage is actually DC charging unlike the *inferior* AC in the Tesla’s which is great for superchargers but limits the ability to run off a DC solar system without going through an inverter, causing more power loss due to double conversion. A light weight plug and cable isn’t superior enough of an advantage to beat universal compatibility. And it’s going to look like a dinosaur in a world of vehicle to grid chargers.
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@Muskar2 No one is making CHAdeMO vehicles for a long time. Even Tesla is using CCS2 now in Europe (mandated standard), Australia, Japan etc. Tesla themselves make more CCS2 cars than their standard, which if anyone else uses will slow electric car uptake by causing the very problems shown in the video. CCS2 is used by over 50 different electric cars while NACS is only used by the 4 Tesla models and then only in North America. The number of CCS2 vehicles vastly outnumbers the number of NACS vehicles. But sure if you limit the scope to North America you can get more NACS vehicles, but their ratio is changing fast. Non Tesla vehicles in North America can’t use Tesla chargers, a network Tesla is seeking to monetize. That’s a problem for Tesla on the future and the reason they desperately want another vehicle maker to reverse what is a settled standard. It will be a huge step back for EVs if anyone takes up Tesla’s offer. Tesla got In before there was a standard and in North America had too much install base to change once there was, but they did change in other countries which shows what they would do without that installed base.
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@Muskar2 also worth noting NACS has zero chance of making it outside 110v countries because 240v countries are all using 3 phase chargers and the NACS physically does not have enough conductors, so it would charge much slower in Europe/China/Australia etc. Basically even if a manufacturer wanted to use NACS it’s vastly inferior for most countries. That’s why Tesla didn’t even use it before CCS became a standard (A Standard they helped develop as well…) NACS is likely cheaper to manufacture due to the size and lower number of conductors.
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@Muskar2 its competitor is global. That’s one connector most manufacturers need to support vs the 3 that Tesla alone use currently. I’m not trying to use European experience to push the NACS. The standard in NA is CCS. There are subsidies available for CCS charger installation that Tesla wasn’t able to get, their response was to label something as a ‘standard’ which is anything but standard even in North America. Since even after ‘opening’ the ‘standard’ the only charger networks even in NA which all EVs can use in their entirety are CCS based.
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@xperyskop2475 the majority don’t already… technically I thought we were closer to the average wealthy western American adults not owning cars 5 years ago than I think we are now. That S curve levelled off fast for Tesla. And that’s excluding the relatively recently increased appetite people have for their own personal space.
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@xperyskop2475 the majority don’t already… technically I thought we were closer to the average wealthy western American adults not owning cars 5 years ago than I think we are now. That S curve levelled off fast for Tesla. And that’s excluding the relatively recently increased appetite people have for their own personal space.
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@juaecheverria0 electric cars are actually much much simpler. There are many fewer parts and things that need maintenance to wear out. That’s why electric cars actually came first, they’re so simple. The advantage gas has isn’t simplicity, it’s energy density. There’s many *more* computers in a modern gas car than a modern electric car. They haven’t been computer-less mechanical beasts since at least the 80’s. There’s zero reason EV charging itself is more complex, it’s so much simpler they don’t even have staff to maintain where you recharge which is why it seems harder, they’re taking something that requires next to zero maintenance and trying to get away with actually zero maintenance. The number of people out there putting petrol in their diesel cars etc it’s a wonder they still haven’t made refilling gas cars idiot proof in over a hundred years. EVs are better for almost everyone, their biggest issue is price and adjacent a lack of second hand vehicles. It’s only the 2-5% who really test their range more than annually. There’s no ‘forceful push’ people don’t have to buy EVs most people don’t. But isn’t it great that every EV sold means cheaper gas for people that can’t yet afford to upgrade to an EV or are in the few % that genuinely are still better off with gas? Less demand = lower gas prices than they would otherwise be. Imagine how antiquated it looks to people charging at home from free solar once a week that other people have to actually go somewhere and waste 10+ minutes a week to pay a ridiculous amount for gas.
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@bryanteger wrong question to ask, the right question is figuring out how EVs can support the grid. The problem the grid has is everyone peaks using power at the same time, there’s heaps of power off peak, and EVs can help shift that power from the times of great surplus in the middle of the day and overnight to the evening peak when the grid is near capacity. It’s called vehicle to grid but it doesn’t have widespread adoption by EV makers yet.
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@encinobalboa EVs are actually a part the solution to the problem, the problem with renewables is despite being by far the cheapest wind is intermittent and solar is not peaking output when people are using the most power in the evenings. The simplest solution to that is to use batteries to charge when there’s plentiful almost free power (like during the day in California) and to sell that power to the grid during peak usage for a profit. People mistake a grid that struggles to cope with fossil fuel plants braking down during unusually heavy usage events as a ‘weak grid’, but there’s plenty of power 99% of the time, there has to be to cater for those situations where usage peaks at the same time as large power plants go offline. There’s already solutions to have vehicles charge overnight when the grid has surplus. Only a small % need to charge during the evenings.
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@encinobalboa if a lot of imaginary things happen it’s a problem. There’s no such mandate beyond in little minds being sold that lie so they remain angry the way their puppet masters want. Even the most optimistic places don’t even think all new vehicles being sold will be EVs for another 17 years. 17 years ago there wasn’t one viable electric car, now there are few second hand. It’ll be 30+ years before the average person who has to buy second hand is looking at getting an EV. 30 years ago the internet was for elites. Meanwhile people buying EVs now reduces gas costs, potentially helps lower electricity costs etc. And cleaner air means a lot less childhood brain damage that causes people to think everyone is out to get them.
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@encinobalboa no they don’t. Try actually reading the laws. Not a mandate they have to be full EVs and only new vehicles and then only some classes, and only sold in the state, and then a minimum of 12 years away. There will be millions of non EVs even in CA well into the 2040’s or 2050’s. Lots of panic about something easily pushed back in the next decade if anyone cares that much. Plenty of opportunity to vote people out in that time.
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@velvetrooster5569 There’s basically only CCS and Tesla (Tesla uses 2 different chargers in some part of the world and three in total), the other standards aren’t really in new cars anymore so any charger works in any new car in most of the world. It’s just North America where you have Tesla using their own charger and providing an adapter to use the world standard system (CCS). If you have an older car you might have a different standard since CCS wasn’t really settled as the world standard until 2015. Timed charging sounds a lot like standard paid parking with a side of charging. I expect that sort of model to exist where you would normally have to pay to park. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point charging in public is as cheap as charging at home, but you could expect the number of chargers to increase a lot which will probably sort out some of these problems. When they’re actually making serious money selling charging, and have competitors, there’s an incentive to keep people turning over faster and reliably. That might actually end up causing people to be charged for time and kWh used, much like a taxi charges for time and distance.
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If you can charge at home it’s much less of an issue for most people these days with the larger range. But if you were having days where you used > 80% of the range regularly because you’re an extreme outlier, I would get a hybrid too, plug in if I could help it.
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