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@jermainamburayan580 But the problem here is that its not gonna be a big enough problem for you. You'll get a fine, you'll pay it off cause they'll take your license or some other thing, and it'll be accord and satisfaction. You ratify it. Then they can use this as a springboard 70 years later on your kids' kids who don't know they ever had the freedom in the first place. It's a death of freedom by a thousand cuts.
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And, like net neutrality, you'll get people like "Look! No one's getting taken to jail, you haven't lost anything." Real convenient, that. Also, real convenient that argument is so predictable. It's almost like someone knew you'd take it lying down and could push you a little bit at a time. Instead of chopping freedom's head off in one fell swoop like a big balls authoritarian, instead it's death by a thousand cuts; gnawed on by rats without a care in the world.
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Idk about Jung. He did turn me on to Carl Rogers though. The further he gets away from psychodynamics and closer to biology and cognition, the more I appreciate psychology. I wonder if he has lectures on phenomenology since he's been talking about it more recently. Heidegger, Hegel, and Husserl are all really "fun" and it'd be cool to hear his take on them.
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They are both representing different fields. You cannot expect reliable testimony on a matter of law from a psychologist.
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Mathematics informs this debate. There is a set that includes both of these things. Just as we've seen a million times in different coats of paint. Harris describes the particular, JP describes the property. What is missing is the explanation of emergent function connecting one to the other. That's the wuwei of the two. Once we make that complete connection, there will emerge an antithetical structure to oppose the amalgam of both positions. You see that in music, Mandelbrot fractals, convergent and divergent evolution, etc. It is the recursive, self-referential nature of things. That's why Fibonacci, recusion theory, and functional programming are criminally underrepresented in academia. They are the solution but you have to be increasingly integrated to see it.
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@Jacob-fd9nm omfg that's hilarious "If the father can't be found in the home, he'll be found in the streets."
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@catsaresocute650 Osiris must travel to the underworld and be cut up among the principalities of Egypt before we can give new sight to him. Osiris is a god and cannot die, after all.
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Thanks for standing up for this. Hopefully we can continue to maintain a level-headed forum where we can weather this insanity. Like Farenheit 451, we should commit our texts into our being and, thereby, our action so that their value may be passed to the future. As we did with Kant and Nietzsche, we have to go one-level of intelligence above them and dominate ideas rooted in nihilism (ie poststructuralism/postmodernism) with a new way of thinking.
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You can find then all on Libgen too
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@RomanDiaries That's what JP is doing and you should model after him. Argue your point; wield your sword and strike down or die on your sword. Do not shirk the duty to defend yourself and what is right like the people who bend the knee before tyranny for the sake of 'safety'.
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16:35 "Question for Dr. Peterson..." Narrator: It was at this point he knew... he fucked up.
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@stadiasong4615 The second we fed the archetypal troll, roughly speaking.
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@ronaldlollis8895 I'm inclined to agree, unfortunately. But, if we play the long game, we can see ourselves through this tribulation. Just 'cause the Postmodernists kill the father doesn't mean we can't retrieve him and give him sight for the future.
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Sometimes Peterson will search for words while moving his mouth and move his hands like he's talking but no sound will be coming out. That frustrates me greatly (in a fun way). I wonder if the audio cuts out or if my phone is messed up or if he's trolling me.
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People want to deride authoritarian governments but they have proven time and time again that, at low economic status and resource allocation, centralized authority under a very small number of people is more effective than a republic or democracy and increasing their market capitalization. The problem is giving up power when your country prospers.
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I hate how much fun these lectures are. As a math major, anything past, say, evolutionary biology or neuroscience is a no-go. JP makes it really alluring though. Engages that sleeping psychologist and philosopher in me.
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58:42 Brrrooooooo This is so incredibly powerful. If we take a note from Vervaeke, the glasses are to blindness and psychotechnology is to the problem of incompetence. The question is what kind of technology it will be. In ECED, we have kids who, with autism and '100 good outcomes' can achieve competence in their field through hard work of their care network. Why is it that, when we approach people on the street or in our mind as 'other people', that we don't give them the benefit of those 100 outcomes? They might be struggling with something that is even less 'crippling' as autism. Rationality, compassion, and understanding are exactly the modalities through which we would address these problems but we refuse to and we set all these guards against letting ourselves be open and vulnerable. It's better for you, it's better for others, it's better for the future... get on with it already lol
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@JamesWilliams-se3vr It's not obvious.
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So, "There is no god, nothing is acceptable"? Or maybe god and acceptability are not covariant.
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@Ervinabrahamian He's literally a conduit of God. Are you so sure you wanna hate on a holy man?
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2:09:46 This is heavy. The quiet in the room is well-deserved. What an amazing lecture series.
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@merlin4real Ima hafta hit you with that [CITATION NEEDED]
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I really appreciate the effort but, as the postmodernists have done, we need to change the game and reject playing their game. As the "winners of games", it behooves us to see these nihilist arguments driven to extinction. We cannot beat them at their game because they make the rules so it's time to show that we are the ones making the rules. In essence, we need to supercede Nietzsche/Camus/Kierkegaard and Derrida/Foucalt/Horkheimer to create the R^n master morality; begin playing the set of the set of all games.
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@FazzzyV Saying that Hero's Journey is not Jung is not flexing intelligence. Jung makes allusions to the hero archetype and the trials of the hero but Campbell is the one who formalized the concept of the Hero's Journey. If you can cite a place where it's explicitly stated that I missed, I'd welcome it. However, I didn't see it in Archetypes 1 & 2, Alchemy, Symbols, and Mysterium or my collected papers on Jung.
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1:33:45 Serpinski Triangle The one about Sam Harris is Mandelbrot.
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Haha, this is probably the only time I've ever said "Yo, JP, chill out and let the man talk."
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Careful; if you see the Buddha on the path to enlightenment, kill him.
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@TCL Heisenberg doesn't preclude determinism.
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Thanks to the guy from 1 month ago
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Chopping up snakes Monogatari reference?
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If America is any indication, it will become necessary to oscillate in rigidification and dissolution to keep people from starting violent and nearsighted subfactions and tearing the movement apart. As JP is alluding to, accomplish a clear set of goals in a sustainable fashion and then dissolve. Don't carry the torch farther than is needed. Else, the system becomes tyrannical and you begin to undo the purpose for which you worked in the first place.
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1:20:42 Man jumps from Zen Buddhism, to phenomenology, and then to Allegory of the Cave. JP is crazy lol
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29:30 Holy shit. Jordan Peterson just quoted Mitch Hedburg. This is the best thing. EDIT: I think Steven Wright also used it, but I'm pretty sure Mitch got to it first.
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@mutt9779 Dolphins are onery fucks. Octopus never did nothin to nobody.
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1:44:00 A bunch of nerds figuring out what women liked by their pornographic searches. Truly the archetypal nerd fantasy. I bet they all end up with nerdy women in the ending credits.
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20:55 Bruh, it's so strange to see adults who don't do this around children. The second I see an animal or children, I immediately want to play. Hell, I do it with adults too, especially in conversation. EDIT: Woah, I just realized why I can't reach some of my neurotic and agreeable friends in conversation and in play. I need a solution! I wanna play! That aversion to kids that he was talking about last lecture is becoming more and more prominent. EDIT: I'm excited to break into "Affective Neuroscience"
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1:53:33 Lol "Is this positive psychology?"
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