Comments by "F G" (@PanGalacticGargoyleBlaster) on "GBH News"
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@kazbee5484 your comment is rife with inaccuracies and assumptions.
1. There is no baby in there mate, it is NOT a person. do you eat meat? I guarantee you a chicken has an infinitely higher function than a microscopic clump of cells in a womb. A chicken even has a higher function than a more developed foetus. If a few frickin cell is an entire life to you then you better be a vegetarian who is against killing (fully sentient, feeling, loving, breathing, fearful, pain feeling) animals just for some yum food.
2. just because lots of people do something does not make it "easy". there are millions of CEOs is that easy to become? Also, there are literally fake abortion clinics that trick women into attending an appointment with no intention of helping them receive an abortion and instead show them false and misleading information on abortions and tell them they are "killing their baby", does that not indicate inappropriate push back enough?
3. just because someone has an unwanted pregnancy does not mean they didn't use contraception. Contraception including condoms and oral contraceptive ARE NOT 100% EFFECTIVE. Furthermore, RAPE.
4. Even if someone is just dumb and decides to not to use contraception, why on earth are you advocating for that dumb, careless person who does not want a child to have one.
You are asking me why I'd want to save someone from being born to parents who dont love them, didnt want them, and wont care for them properly, all because you have some made up romanticised idea of what a "baby" is, choosing to see the tiny lifeless clump of cells in a womb as an entire person rather than for what it literally is.
Examine crime rates as related to abortions and observe that areas that legalise abortions see a drop in crime rates about 20 years after, e.g. new york. The "cruelty" you may perceive from taking a pill and then period-ing out some cells is still vastly less than the cruelty of forcing currently non existent people into the world that will likely never get the love or care they deserve
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@kazbee5484 WAIT i just re read your comment and you literally said shit about "auras and energies" and other similar ridiculousness ...... okay so heres how this works: you get to make up ANYTHING you want, you dont have to have ANY proof, and if anyone questions you you can claim to have access to secret magic powers which allow you to read peoples minds and intentions through your computer screen, and i am the bad crazy one who's not seeing the secret underground evil in TST. And since you believe in magic aura crap (youre anti-science, and an anti-intellectual), there's literally nothing anyone EVER can say to you that will get the truth through to you, considering literal magic exists in your mind.
I'll be honest, im not very interested in trying to have a genuine debate with you anymore.
Considering you just believe in whatever you feel like believing and need no proof, facts or science then you are judge, jury and trial my friend, theres literally no point continuing this, you've jumped to a million conclusions using proof and 'powers' no one else has access to. You've come to your conclusion, based on nothing but a weird smattering of random stats that you have not even slightly organised in such a way as to make a point, and your personal feelings.
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@kazbee5484 @kaz bee You will receive more respect for your arguments if you dont precede them with personal insults. Leave that stuff at the door unless your intent is to be disregarded as some random internet troll. Also, no offence intended but try paragraphs.
“firstly that clump of cells are living cells, & left to thrive would form a baby with the opportunity to live a full life. “
and? whats your point?
1. Its not a human yet nor is it anywhere near human. Your argument is based on emotion and a vague philosophical hypothesis.
2. Sperm are living cells that given the opportunity and egg could turn into a human too, they get thrown in the bin all the time. You care about that?
3. People have been asking for centuries what came first, the chicken or the egg - I guess by your logic an egg IS a chicken so youve solved that one then right.
“Secondly abortion can be performed up to 20 weeks which is a fully formed foetus of a human being. And in some countries such as NZ late term abortions can be performed up until birth”
1. So you’re only against abortions past a certain point?
2. You have decided on some arbitrary point at which the foetus now looks enough like a baby so you have feelings towards it? which point is that, at how many weeks did YOU decide - against the advice and opinions of medical experts and scientists - that this foetus has feelings. IT IS NON-SENTIENT, again, a full grown cow is an entire being, being eaten everyday.
3. many countries have late term abortions up until birth, you’re missing a crucial part of that info though - these are only performed with TWO doctors approval with an accepted excessive risk to the mothers life. You either need to read up more or you need to stop trying to mislead by omitting information.
“Next abortions are shit easy to obtain in developed countries, as i said hundreds of thousands are performed each year, your comparison to being a CEO is beyond ridiculous.”
1. and? why does it matter if they’re easy to obtain?
2. They usually aren’t easy enough to obtain. It needs to be easier.
3. Again, hundreds of thousands per year and there are 7 billion people on earth. you do understand this is not a common procedure right? 1 billion is 1000 million.
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@kazbee5484 “Do you know how many women are coerced into abortion by uncaring partners & regret doing so later in life”
1. No, do you? because if you do then please share with evidence.
2. Still no where near a reason to be anti-abortion. If that really is an issue then you would be focussing your concerns on coerced abortions, not all abortions.
“I just want to know why the satanic temple places so much importance on a non issue.”
- Abortions are a non-issue? thats a weird as hell thing to say
- Abortions are a right. Some people care deeply about human rights. TST (and I) care about about the completely anti-science, right-infringing, baseless bullshit that stops hundreds of thousands MORE women from access to abortions. No one deserves to give birth to a child they don’t want, and no child deserves o be born to parents that don’t want them. Abortion is an extremely important right.
“But then i think we all know why, with the amount of money invested in the sale of body parts eh. If you really believe you are part of some altruistic religion then you are deluded. This form of satanism is far removed from atheism. I am watching your people very closely in Aust. Stay out of our schools & away from our children.”
1. hahaha are you a conspiracy theorist then? i dont understand people who just believe whatever they’re told and never actually look into their own claims. what organ harvesting are you talking about?? china???
2. This form of satanism…. is literally atheistic lol how else do you want that fact written. We don’t believe in any magic guy in the sky and we dont believe in any magic guy underground, the whole basis of the religion is ANTI-theism, it goes against EVERYTHING we believe to believe in a deity. I believe everyone has the right to believe in whatever divine being they want or can think up, but dont kid yourself trying to convince anyone or yourself that the satanic temple secretly believes in some magic rubbish, we dont, its literally in our tenets, the rules we live by. There is no secret theism in this vocally anti-theist religion.
3. “stay out of our school and children” Sure, as soon as EVERY religion is out of schools and children! If you want us out of schools then you will keep every single other religion out of schools too. I will not have innocent children subjected to and brainwashed by one religion infiltrating our schools (e.g christianity) without giving them the opportunity to hear from other religions too. Either NO children are to be exposed to religion through schooling or WE WILL MAKE SURE THEY HEAR FROM MINORITY RELIGIONS THAT YOU DONT LIKE TOO. TST is more than happy to leave schools, so long as equal exclusions are given to majority religions too.
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@kazbee5484 wait so, to be pro-womens rights you have to go to saudi arabia? Well golly gee i think you better let every single womens rights activist and for that matter every humans rights activist and any activist group that doing anything other than going to where you consider it worst is pointless! You should definitely get to spreading the word about how if youre not advocating womens rights in saudi arabia then you should STOP, that makes PERECT sense, good one.
I don't care if the parents of Australia aren't accepting, EVERY religion will be OUT of schools or EVERY religion will be IN schools, you dont get to pick and choose which religions you like. How about this: all religion out of schools? Agreed?
"My child knew mufasa was the bad guy" hahah then im afraid you and your child severely misunderstood the entirety of the lion king. I'm going to go ahead and not make more fun of you for that even though im tempted and it's funny and instead just tell you that you are getting scar and mufasa confused. Maybe that's just your thing though, you know - confusing the good guys for the bad guys?
"Good always win" Or maybe you just watch way too many movies and actually think that good always wins, and that people who are ugly or have scars on their face are always the bad guys like in disney movies. I got news, ugly does not equal bad and this is the real world where 1. good doesnt win without a fight, thats why TST is putting up a fight protecting our rights and 2. you actually need evidence to back up a claim. When there is no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims of secret TST theism then why is anyone who doesnt already have decided preconceptions going to believe you? You do realise I am atheist right? I feel i've made that pretty clear, so considering you are 100% sure that TST is theistic and evil and you havent just made that up (meaning you have evidence) then you can literally right now turn me from TST forever.
Think critically here, which of your opinions on TST are based on facts and evidence, actual happenings and/or observations and which of your opinions are based on preconceptions formed around the word "satanism"? Are you absolutely sure that none of your opinions are based on conjecture, speculation and generalisations? Are you SURE you haven't once jumped to ANY conclusions based on your own conceptions and ideas and not based on literal facts? Are you SURE you're judging someone guilty (lucien greaves) who IS guilty with evidence you KNOW and can show? Or are you looking at someone on the screen with a scarred eye, withered look and the word "satanism" and making a similar judgement a child makes when they see The Scary Character in a disney show? The well spoken, charming prince is not inherently good, the ugly old woman in a hood is not a witch, and good doesnt always win - which is WHY TST continually fights for rights and with science.
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Paolo Rossi You called me a he like it mattered. You probably haven't met a lot of women but we do make up about 50% of earths population believe it or not.
You made yourself very clear. You believe in magic and conspiracies that you cannot prove whatsoever. Once again, feel free to provide proof for any of your claims at any time, but until you do you haven't "won" any debate - you've just made random statements and then declared "I win!" like a child.
Here's a comprehensive list of logical fallacies in graphic form (for your benefit) so you can observe you and your friend's consistent use of Ad Hominem, Red Herrings, Hasty Generalisations, Circular Arguments and Begging The Claim. https://i.redd.it/n9vaog7o2lu21.png
PS The Satanic Temple does donate to the needy, genius. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/satanist-church-pensacola-west-florida-holds-drive-socks-homeless-collect-charity-pagan-a7639881.html) and advocates against corporal punishment (protecting children). What do your priests do again? Ah yes thats right, they molest and rape children which is subsequently covered up by your wonderful, holy, godly, billion dollar institution. Im not calling every catholic bad, but there's certainly no point for any of you to act holier-than-thou.
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Paolo Rossi 1. I never said evil didn't exist, go back and read our conversation. It is disturbing to me that you think I said that. You are creating things in your head which is indicating to me again that you may have delusional paranoia.
2. What passports? What are you talking about? I've never even heard of whatever you're talking about. I tried to do some research for you and as far as I can tell no hijackers passports were found in the wreckage of 9/11. Provide sources for you claims.
3. Conspiracies that have been "officially proven" are by definition no longer conspiracies, because they have proof. I never commented on or replied to whatever "Operation Northwoods" and "Lavon affair" are. You and your friend believe in literal demons, I asked you for proof which you have been and clearly will be unable to provide.
When you do not provide sources for your statements you are Begging The Claim, which is a logical fallacy. Not only are you begging the claim, you are also trying to rely on someone else's research abilities to prove something for you. You need to provide sources for your claims.
4. GOOD JOB! Thank you for your FIRST EVER source! Now we can actually have a discussion about it rather than just you begging the claim. There are problems with using that random youtube video as a source though.
You need to watch the video again and listen carefully.
Firstly, that dude is not head of TST in the UK, he is a Chapter head for London (he has no seniority or power, TST does not practice ranks) which just means he emailed TST about making an unofficial satanist community official. No where does he say that TST sponsors orgies (not that theres a problem with orgies because only creeps care what other people do consensually with their own bodies), he says that he "thinks that one of the things that The Satanic Temple wants to do is actually sponsor an orgy." (verbatim) which i've never heard before and I can't find anything to back up his claim. Lets just pretend that TST sponsors all the orgies in the world, and to that i'd say: who cares? I would also like to point out that every religion has people who don't follow the religion properly, and if you want to find out what TST is actually about you should really be turning to the founder and leader, Lucien Greaves. Alternatively you could watch "Hail Satan?" which is a documentary made about TST. ALSO: If you actually watch the video closely around the time he's talking about "contacting the devil" you can hear a LOT of editing, which makes me suspect they cropped out all the bits where he probably spoke about satanism being a famously non-theistic religion. Of course I don't have evidence for that exact thing but consider observing the video again and thinking critically with me, I do however have evidence that TST is a non-theistic religion that does not believe in a literal satan or devil worship (so this man would be misrepresenting the temple if he actually claimed to ever try and communicate with a devil).
Sources:
- https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/tenets
- https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/what-is-the-difference-between-the-satanic-temple-and-the-church-of-satan
- https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us
- THIS VIDEO (the one we're commenting on)
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Paolo Rossi Ad Hominem, again. Refrain from logical fallacies if you are indeed using any form of logic at all please. "I know kindergarteners who sound smarter than you" like okay, I don't care? Can we stick to the topic at hand or you just wanna throw around childish insults continuously?
That is a much better source! Why couldn't you link that before? Why'd you have to link a deleted "arizona daily star" article? How fricking random that it took you this long to find a single even vaguely reliable source. That source was still not very good considering it was just an a tiny clip but using it as a jumping base I was able to find at least a wikipedia page for you (youre welcome since youre frickin hopeless) which ill paste at the bottom. Out of curiosity have you graduated high school?? That's cool that the passports survived the crash. Congrats on being able to prove one literal claim of the many claims you made, and it only took you 20 hours! smh
Next, I used verbatim (do you know what that means? It means same exact words ) in my response. He said that he thinks TST "wants to sponsor orgies", that's it. I've just watched the video again, and yes that's all he says about orgies. Again, who gives a flying f who does what with their sex lives? Such a weird and creepy thing for you to have an obsession with. Why are you so obsessed with orgies..?
No I'm not saying the video was "manipulated" as such (and i never said that him saying "TST is non-theistic" was in the video, READ what I wrote, I said it WASNT in there), why don't you just watch it again?
Do you believe everything you see on TV? Do you believe everything you see on VICE's youtube channel? Do you not realise the power of dishonest editing? Have you heard of critical thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZrSrZpX5l8
I looked up "The power of editing an interview" and the video that came up was even ABOUT VICE! lol
Here is another interesting video detailing some of the ways a news network like Fox can dishonestly edit. Its easy and is common. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-KzzDZo6GY
Another way to observe dishonest editing is to look at ANY reality TV show. You know on Masterchef when there's 10 seconds left on the clock, everyone is frantically trying to get their dishes on the plates, someone drops something, oh my goodness some of them look like they are still in the middle of cooking! and then just as the clock strikes 0 everyone is done JUST in time. That's just editing, many people are done well before the timer goes off. This is not a hidden secret, you just maybe havent noticed. That's why people call reality television "fake", its not just because they use actors sometimes, its also to do with whats called dishonest editing.
I showed you that TST donates to homeless shelters, advocates the protection of children in schools and you said NOPE they only do it for EVIL PURPOSES! You said that with no evidence whatsoever, it was just your judgmental opinion and as I think ive pasted in this convo already, the definition of conspiracy ("a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.") surprise... conspiracy means..... exactly what it means? So I can show you reliable evidence that TST does multiple DIRECTLY helpful deeds and you get to say 'nah i just reckon its a secret plan by satanists to gain publicity and eat us all' or something but you show me a biased video by VICE with very clear and deliberate editing but when I call you out there's something wrong with that? Even though you do the same thing to me but with NO OBJECTIVE INPUT?
Why are you asking me if I know what a conspiracy is? "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful"
Anyway, you won't be capable of reading most of this shit and i don't expect an intelligent response but I will give you the benefit of the doubt (again) and I will ask you One. More. Time. Prove to me that demons exist and that TST is communicating with a magical evil man in the sky or whatever and I swear on my life I will leave TST and legally change my name to Uncle Bob.
*If you can't prove your magic exists, IT DOESN'T. "Winning" a debate means you give me actual reliable evidence from multiple peer-reviewed sources and then YOU WIN. DO IT NOW. *
Go ahead. Still waiting.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PENTTBOM#Identifying_the_hijackers
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Paolo Rossi Ad Hominem again, if you want me to stop pointing out the logical fallacies you use, stop using them. Every single question you asked me just then about why Satan was chosen, why we say Hail Satan/Ave Satanas, and why it wouldn't have the same impact if it wren't Satan is answered by the founder and creator himself, Lucien Greaves, IN THE VIDEO WE ARE COMMENTING ON. Try watching it.
Dude, the topic of the thread is not "magic passport", you may have dementia. I really dont give a shit about your 9/11 conspiracy theory. I don't care that someones passport was in the wreckage like I really dont care and never did. Go back and read our conversation.
Third time:
Show me that TST is communicating with "The Devil", show me that demons are real. As soon as you do that you get to "win", you get to win EVERYTHING. Why wouldn't you be able to do any of this if you were telling the truth? Go ahead!
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Paolo Rossi Ad Hominem lol youre incapable of participating normally. Even your friend is finding you too ridiculous to defend. hahaha this provides a wonderful insight in to your mind.
I also love that youre trying to use down syndrome as an insult but i know multiple people with an extra chromosome and they are the most amazing, fantastic, caring people ive ever known and they certainly arent dumb. Nice try though. I do like that you're just outright admitting you look down on people with disabilities (how very christian of you).
Anyway, heres a vsauce video that was basically made with people like you in mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCHEykUxP4
Sure, you can try to say I'm A.I. or something, I really don't care lol. You made a claim, you get to prove it, so how about this? For the fifth (thats *five*) time, ill ask you to prove your claims about TST and devils or demons or whatever, and if you arent able to prove it then your fantasies are just that, fantasies:
Show me that TST is communicating with "The Devil", show me that demons are real. As soon as you do that you get to "win", you get to win EVERYTHING. Why wouldn't you be able to do any of this if you were telling the truth? Go ahead!
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