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  406. ​ @DeusEx.Machina  We can find common ground on some of these points like people staying healthy whether its reducing obesity or getting people to stop smoking cigarettes to reduce healthcare costs, and encouraging all young people to work hard and do better in school and be smarter about sexual intercourse by both abstaining from sex and providing sex education and access to birth control while they are teenagers. But we also need to increase the availability of healthy food and make it more affordable to help keep people from getting obese and provide a not-for-profit healthcare system that focuses more on prevention than treatment. We need to make access to college and trade schools a lot more in reach of people at all ages without the crushing debt of student loans following them for ten to twenty years. And to provide subsidized child care to any parent whether single or married that needs help while they are going to school. We need to stop bailing out banks and providing welfare for corporations and loopholes to offshore and hide away profits from financial wheeling and dealing and invest in the public schools and services, infrastructure, and workers of this country. I want the rich, many of whom get rich through the labor of people to whom they pay the least amount of money they can and expect the social safety net to take care of their benefits and retirement, by favors and contracts from politicians whose campaigns they finance, and the largess and back-scratching of other rich people to stop profiting from a system that favors those who start out at the top or climb their way up the ladder through less-than-legal means and to give back more to the society in which they and their families have profited mightily. Nobody should be a billionaire or be paying themselves tens of millions of dollars a year. It's obscene and not something we should applaud as a society.
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  774.  @gumbypokey  Okay, I get where you are coming from. But I'd argue that they are different, especially when it comes to the subject of social issues. The two parties are both tools of the establishment which makes them the same coin. But the way they exercise power and the approach to domestic policy are different which are the two sides of the coin. It's the balance of corruption between them that keeps the illusion of the Republic alive for the tens of millions of people who call themselves loyal Democrats or Republicans and why different interest groups mostly align with one party or the other. It's also why we probably won't have a revolution that fundamentally changes the country in one direction or the other - unless the system collapses from an economic or environmental crisis or some kind of global diaster like a massive solar flare or asteroid impact happens. But if a shift was going to happen to would come from someone like Trump or Flynn or some other autocratic Conservative Republican and not a go along to get along Neo-liberal Democrat like the Clintons or Obama or Biden. Both parties carry out the agenda of the Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex and make sure the Intelligence community can keep spying on everyone, torturing people at Black Sites, and maintain full spectrum dominance of international policy. Edward Snowden exposed the programs and policies started under a Republican administartion and furthered by a Democrat administartion and both parties call him a traitor for doing so. But if someone wants marriage equality or police reform or an expansion of civil rights they are going to talk to Democrats. If someone wants to maintain access to firearms and to keep public lands open to the oil and gas industry or try to further the interests of the Evangelical community they align with Republicans.
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  1208. On the subject of Obama separating children just like Trump-- "...The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ inspector general released a report in January noting that, “historically” such family “separations were rare and occurred because of circumstances such as the parent’s medical emergency or a determination that the parent was a threat to the child’s safety.” But, the report notes, that changed as a result of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy last spring. The Department of Homeland Security “separated large numbers of alien families, with adults being held in Federal detention while their children were transferred to the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS),” according to the report. That report also said the department had “thus far identified 2,737 children in its care at that time who were separated from their parents. However, thousands of children may have been separated during an influx that began in 2017 … and HHS has faced challenges in identifying separated children.” The government is under a court order to identify other children who had been separated, but either way, we know the total far surpasses the 1,900 figure used in the meme. As for the number of children who were separated under Obama, there have been no official figures released — but, as we said, the HHS inspector general noted that such separations were rare. The “89,000” figure used in the meme is similar to previous claims that “90,000” children were separated under Obama — a number the Associated Press last year pointed out may have been incorrectly pulled from a 2016 Senate report. The report said that, since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Obama administration had placed “almost 90,000” unaccompanied children “with sponsors in the United States.” At the time, the U.S. was experiencing an influx of unaccompanied children arriving at the border from Central America. The “90,000” figure largely represented children who had arrived at the border without a parent or guardian (though, as we said earlier, there may have been limited cases in which children were separated for the child’s safety). That process for releasing unaccompanied children to sponsors continues. For reference, HHS data show that 133,502 unaccompanied children were released to sponsors during the 36 months between October 2013 and September 2016. The figure for the 33 months from October 2016 to June 2019 (the most recent data available) was 132,340..." https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/falsehoods-about-family-separations-linger-online/
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