Comments by "Orwellian Horseman of the Apocalypse" (@DennisMoore664) on "Democracy Now!"
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This again? FFS -
"In order to determine its origins, we reached out to a number of experts at the Orwell Society — whose patron is Richard Blair, Orwell’s adopted son — and The Orwell Foundation, which brings together Orwell scholars and awards the Orwell Prizes. Representatives of both organizations said that this quote could not be attributed to Orwell.
A cursory internet search indicates Newsweek claimed Orwell wrote the statement in the 1940s. The quote was attributed to a collection of Orwell’s essays in “The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell: As I please, 1943-1945.” But we were unable to find the quote in an archived version of the book online.
Leslie Hurst, a trustee of the Orwell Society, told us that this was not an Orwell quote, as it could not be found in his “Complete Works” collection. He believes the line was loosely copied from a sentence about fascism (not elections) from an Orwell essay titled “Rudyard Kipling“:
Whoever coined this phrase seems to have copied the construction of a sentence from George Orwell’s 1942 essay “Rudyard Kipling”: “Those who now call themselves Conservatives are either Liberals, Fascists or the accomplices of Fascists,” which suggests a certain intelligence and knowledge of Orwell’s work, but while the statement “A people that elect […]” may be true it does a disservice to attribute it to Orwell.
Benedict Cooper, publicity officer for the society who had most of the Orwell library digitized on his computer, also could not find the above quote in the collection.
Hurst also pointed us to Wikiquote, which he said “is very good with misattributed Orwell quotations,” but the above quote was not listed there.
We also reached out to a number of academics, and we will update this post if we receive new information.
Given that expert institutions associated with Orwell’s work have not heard of this quote, we rate this claim as “False.”
Nur Ibrahim
Published 30 November 2020"
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@sheilamacdougal4874 Except Orwell basically recanted that in another paper a few years later in December of 1944 --
"Nobody is searching for the truth, everybody is putting forward a 'case' with complete disregard for fairness or accuracy, and the most plainly obvious facts can be ignored by those who don't want to see them. The same propaganda tricks are to be found almost everywhere. It would take many pages of this paper merely to classify them, but here I draw attention to one very widespread controversial habit – disregard of an opponent's motives. The key-word here is 'objectively'.
We are told that it is only people's objective actions that matter, and their subjective feelings are of no importance. Thus pacifists, by obstructing the war effort, are 'objectively' aiding the Nazis; and therefore the fact that they may be personally hostile to Fascism is irrelevant. I have been guilty of saying this myself more than once.
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This is not only dishonest; it also carries a severe penalty with it. If you disregard people's motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions. For there are occasions when even the most misguided person can see the results of what he is doing. Here is a crude but quite possible illustration. A pacifist is working in some job which gives him access to important military information, and is approached by a German secret agent. In those circumstances his subjective feelings do make a difference. If he is subjectively pro-Nazi he will sell his country, and if he isn't, he won't."
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@rorycallaghan5719 Hey again - You're right about the armor piercing ammunition but you can still buy hollow point bullets in most places except New Jersey (unless some local ordinances wer passed in 2020 I don't know about). And as a private citizen you actually can own a rocket launcher or hand grenades if you comply with the 1934 NFA and 1968 GCA (plus any state or local rules that may apply). This means you have to apply for.permission to register them as a “Destructive Device" with the federal government before you have possession, which is an involved process that requires filling out the paperwork, getting fingerprinted and photographed (actually, you provide the passport type photos), and attaching a $200 check (per device; individual rounds for “Destructive Devices" are frequently - although not always - “Destructive Devices" by themselves and have to also go through the same process per round), and wait up to a year for ATF to respond with an approval if you meet the legal requirements (residency, legal in your state, at least 21 years old in most cases, and a background check doesn't show any disqualifies that would prohibit you from buying a “normal" gun). There are also very specific rules you have to follow when transporting, storing, or allowing other people access to NFA regulated things like Destructive Devices.
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