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  27.  @johnmoore8599  They have continually done those kinds of missions already is the point. They have done fire missions and seal deployments for decades, even in syria they have had more experience than in Ukraine Ukraine is not a submarine war, submarines are not engaging except as surveillance vessels which is also a typical mission that won't give them any new information. Literally everything you mentioned is a mission that the submarine fleet has already been doing and barely has any link to the invasion of ukraine. It is poor logic to claim the submarine force will be able to innovate based on this land conflict. The only ways they can affect the conflict are all old news. Combined arms warfare is advancing rapidly in Ukraine, naval warfare is not at anywhere near the same rate or way. Even the difference between a deployed force in the black sea now and deployed forces 10 years ago is only the difference between practice and training. Being forced to adhere to standards can be eye opening for ragged militaries and navies but there are almost no chances for russia to innovate. Naval blockades aren't very different from how they were centuries ago even. And this all still applies to the surface fleets mainly and even less to the submarine force. Any spywork, seal work, surveillance, or fire mission, is all old news and been naval tactics and doctrine for literally decades now. Ukraine doesn't have a peer force to test the theories against, you can't really see how well you perform in combat if the only difference in your day go day is "now the danger and targets aren't simulated" And history simply does not support the idea that a less used aspect of the military is going to innovate or advance after the conflict. There will undoubtedly be major changes to the ground forces of Russia but I will eat my hat if in ten years the Russian navy isn't almost identical to now. If not in ships than in intent and design. It isn't like Russia is going to suddenly decide they don't need belgorod or suddenly decide to not make their new little cruiser. The navy has to do its job to contribute to victory, so the conflict can make them a more competent force. But they have zero reason to innovate, zero requirements that their subsurface navy hasn't already had decades of experience in and is already designed for. Logically it just does not track in any way to assume that a more dangerous submarine force (for russia) will be the 10 year result of this conflict. Ukraine's navy absolutely. Russia's ground forces absolutely. But russia's subsurface navy is "not broke" and so there isn't any reason to "fix" it (aside from the trends they already have identified and have been working to for decades. Those shortcomings may accelerate the trends by necessity but much the navy was always further ahead than the land force in how far along it has been in that endless modernization slog.) Ukraine isn't a shipping nation, there aren't any naval areas to protect from attack, there is no reason to deploy naval special units or fire missions when you own a land border and an artillery army. It just does not track whatsoever to predict a more dangerous submarine force. There is no reason to believe the Russian navy is going to make any big changes at all from the last decade(s)
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