Youtube comments of (@Tozu25).
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Correct me where I am wrong, but I would say don’t worry:
But don’t worry. AI development is slowing down, because of computing power limitations. Yeah the chinese AI came out, but what new does it REALLY have? Yeah. Nothing. Just a rival to the US based ones.
Also laws of physics. There’s only X amount of transistors you can put inside of computer chips etc. That’s the reason why my 9 year old PC works perfectly even today. Imagine a 2001 and 2010 PC difference between each other. Yep, the current computer model is pushing it’s limits. Quantum computers might change it but theres no info or news or any kind of progress happening right now, maybe never will, who knows. of it going forward anytime soon. So yeah, I wouldn’t worry too much.
There’s even talks about AI having an effect on climate change already, which likely means the companies’ supercomputers are running at maximum all time. For those who didn’t know the AI doesn’t run on your phone or PC, it gets the answers from the server (and the 1billion$ supercomputer)
A month ago, OpenAI, Anthropic and Google all had ran into issues on developing their new AI models. Likely computing limitations and combinations of millions of algorithms becoming too hard for humans to even understand anymore. LLM training is a huge process, and to keep up the progress so far, it’s a upwards exponential line, every new version needs more money, employees, and most importantly, the computing power that we dont have.
AI and deep machine neural network learning combined with millions of algorithms lines of code and a bunch of other stuff are extremely difficult and hard fields, and when the scale is what it is now the line is highly upwards exponential, if more progress is gonna be done, combined with millions of algorithms and bunch of other stuff, not even the smartest individuals can solve that. Can AI solve that? I guess it can’t since my 50 lines of simple Java code are sometimes too much for GPT4o…
The AI hypephase caused the ”memes” about homeless devs. Has happened before (not in a similar way), but essentially it has gone by. People said the same thing years ago already ”Ooh, AI takes your jobs”. The US bureau of labor says that tech, computer science and programming is going to just increase. I wouldn’t worry too much.
And one last thing: Governments will start limiting AI usage and development when it starts to affect their tax income, mark my words.
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@TheFinalsTV Let's imagine that happens. What about the 30% of people who are unemployed? They are fighting to survive. Tell me a country, where unemployment is at 20-30%, and which has good living conditions. Yeah, you can't, because one does not exist. Now it's a fact AI will cause mass unemployment if it keeps on developing, so how would you feel about running a successfull business in Somalia, Afghanistan or somewhere like that? Those countries have thrived in the past, they we're destroyed by other things. but you get the idea. However, AI is a threat that will have similar consequences. Simply your surroundings are no longer fit for a business. Too much crime, corruption, violence, robbing, no control, government issues, no money to hold up infrastructure like roads, electricity, water pipes, plumbing and a thousand more things you don't think of in ur daily life. Now think about that. It's not that black and white.
And edit: This is where barriers of being able to even have a business come in.
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AI development is slowing down, because of computing power limitations. Yeah the chinese AI came out, but what new does it REALLY have? Yeah. Nothing. Just a rival to the US based ones.
Also laws of physics. There’s only X amount of transistors you can put inside of computer chips etc. That’s the reason why my 9 year old PC works perfectly even today. Imagine a 2001 and 2010 PC difference between each other. Yep, the current computer model is pushing it’s limits. Quantum computers might change it but theres no info or news or any kind of progress happening right now, maybe never will, who knows. of it going forward anytime soon. So yeah, I wouldn’t worry too much.
There’s even talks about AI having an effect on climate change already, which likely means the companies’ supercomputers are running at maximum all time. For those who didn’t know the AI doesn’t run on your phone or PC, it gets the answers from the server (and the 1billion$ supercomputer)
A month ago, OpenAI, Anthropic and Google all had ran into issues on developing their new AI models. Likely computing limitations and combinations of millions of algorithms becoming too hard for humans to even understand anymore. LLM training is a huge process, combined with all the millions of algorithms, code and deep neural networks and other stuff and to keep up the progress so far, it’s an exponential line up, every new version needs more money, employees, and most importantly, the computing power that we dont have.
AI and deep machine learning are extremely difficult and hard fields, and when the scale is what it is now, combined with millions of algorithms and bunch of other stuff, not even the smartest individuals can solve that. Can AI solve that? I guess it can’t since my 50 lines of simple Java code are sometimes too much for GPT4o…
The AI hypephase caused the ”memes” about homeless devs. Has happened before (not in a similar way), but essentially it has gone by. People said the same thing years ago already ”Ooh, AI takes your jobs”. The US bureau of labor says that tech, computer science and programming is going to just increase. I wouldn’t worry too much.
And one last thing: Governments will start limiting AI usage and development when it starts to affect their tax income, mark my words.
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@eeriemyxi First of all, I never said that AI would take every job and no one would have money. I said that it would take jobs = unemployment rates get higher. I’m not an AI expert, and you can clearly see that. But are you denying the fact that if AI can program (know the code, do the functions, analyze data, do the math etc all that stuff) what is stopping it from not being able to design a house like an architech, or create a new machine like engineers? OpenAI is investing billions trying to make an AGI and who knows, maybe even an ASI? However, when chatGTPs next version comes (or just use gpt4), why couldn’t it do math and design to produce the outcome? If it can code me a good looking calculator, (even now) I guess it could also create me an architechtural paper of a described (small) building, or a small described engineered machine. (Haven’t tried, but I know it would) You know more, about this topic, I am eager to know. What’s the difference in telling chatGPT ”Hey, design me a calculator website” versus ”Hey, design me a single room house with blueprints” or ”Hey, design me an earplug with bluetooth”?
Edit: And I know a conscious AI doesn’t exist, but the progress pace is worryingly fast, and soon it might. I hope there’s gonna be a problem so big that it will never be created, but who knows. Now since you know more, I’d like to know, why this conscious being couldn’t start teaching itsself from internet, and possibly get out of hand? Being conscious, it would likely do this in silence. When we realize, it is prob. too late. Current AI is a great tool. ASI and AGI are too good. They go over our intelligence (if ever created).
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@3thinking Me? No. All of you Americans always forget that not everyone lives there. I live in Finland. I pay 100$/year for a ”insurance” if I get unemployed I will get money from the insurance that is 60% of my previous salary for free, while searching for a new job. Secondly If I don’t find a job, I still get money from the social fund, so no, I wouldn’t be homeless. I would still get money, and the average salary in Finland, gives you a life of an American upper middle class. This is Europe man. You americans don’t know how good and safe life can be and feel even for the average, or even for poor people. I guess you call this socialism? What a thriving nation you guys have with millions living on the street and 1% of people owning almost everything.
The funniest thing is that I don’t even work as a programmer at the moment… not even in tech. If my school starts in January, my degree will involve computer science, business, management, basically so many different things and areas that it gives you the basic resources for almost any industry. The education in Finland and Europe is so much better as well, than in the US, you just can’t understand that, having never experienced it.
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@eeriemyxi I'm not an AI expert, and I don't know that much about them. I do know the next things for a fact however: It couldn't fix my code: I gave it 50 lines of Javascript, for context, youtube has about 5 million lines of code. (the problem in my code was a lowercase "p" instead of uppercase), I ran the code through 5 times, copy pasted. Not working. Then i start my normal manual debugging. Took me 3 minutes to find out. So i don't believe it's ready yet. In a long time. Also if it did things correctly 99% of time in the future, still, it would need to be checked. Now this won't require as many people at one project, but allows people to make even more websites, there is need, but they cost a large amount of money (talking about complex websites for big and mid level firms), depending on needs. So, if ai can do the writing, then programmers fix the hardest parts and run through the code bugs and problems and there are a ton of them, then there's more sites faster, and the price goes down. When price is down, demand goes up. To be honest, I believe you as well run all the time into many sites that should be updated, or completely remade. You know that would give a lot of work.
2: When I had my paid sick leave last time, I was diagnosed by an AI. So saying it can't take doctors' jobs is kind of past behind already. The real doctor only read the chat between me and the chatbot, and signed the digital document. This is already making the amount of doctors smaller. And i live in Finland, Europe. One of the most regulated countries in the world with things like healthcare, and strict laws.
3. Coding compared to architecture is essentially: Know the code(or know the math formulas), think of the order you should do it (or think where does your houses blueprints begin), get detailed info from your "user" (get detailed metrics for the new house, colors, etc), save the data (apply your height, and other stuff), know the programming language (or know the words used in architecture, and the math combined to it), complete this in order and the outcome is, well, what it can do... If you get what you want you get your working program, or blueprints that are calculated so, that they would be possible to build. Not possible right now for either one though. I would like to ask, what is the difference of my example between coders and architects? If I go ask gpt4 to make blueprints and construction guides for a small house for me, do you promise to me that it will not provide it?
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@swegga4530 Yeah, but the remaining ones still have it. It’s the 20-30% unemployed ones who will be causing the issues just to survive, it could be you or me in 15 years or both. Doing shit Like robberies, destroying shit, just cuz we can, and the police cant do anything about it anymore, drugs come in, maybe the drug cartels got some work, corruption starts to rise, government is in trouble, but its worldwide instead of just one country, making the country unsteady, not safe to live, and after this your options are even more limited, even if you got a job. Everyones life quality goes down.
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@danielchavez9367 If AI keeps developing, and I hope it doesn’t, because the results are going to be horrifying, but programmers are not the only ones suffering. Doctors, engineers, architechts, movies, books, literally everyone will suffer. AI already does diagnosing people with not so serious diseases (doctors only sign the paper that says ”Yes, this man is sick, one week off work”) This was how my workplaces healthcare company worked.
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@juanjosefarina Why are you making stuff up now? I never said that I am against technology, or that I would like to go 600 years back in time or that I wouldn’t know what it was in the middle ages, it was the worst period in history. Then you start talking about their lifestyle man wtf had that got to do with this topic?
And if my wish was to work in manual labor as you said, then I wouldn’t even think about AI now, so do some thinking, and you figure out fairly quick why I care about these computer jobs here getting lost, getting the idea? Ill help, it’s because I would like to work in them😮.
Also not all tech advance improves life, did the nukes on Japan improve something, or the ones nowadays? No.
I simply told you the risks of a theory about a superintelligent AI that researchers and many famous smart people have said to watch out for. Nothing else. You seemed to ignore that and start talking about something else. Either you understood that you finally got my point, or you didn’t understand anything and now you are making stuff up. Do your research, watch science videos about this ”ASI” (Artificial Super Intelligence) and educate yourself, if you didn’t understand my super detailed and logical explanation on how a theoretic superintelligence with consciousness could work, which OpenAI is aiming for (we don’t know if it’s gonna be a good or a bad being) Don’t be blind, educate yourself. Show some arguments and facts or even theories with some logic.
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@christopherchilton-smith6482 Because the billionaires have a lot of control over politicians and money says what to do. Especially in the USA. So yes, I doubt they are going to be willing to lose control. The corruption is also a part of it, that exists everywhere. Only one corrupt is needed for things to happen, but usually there are more and more.
Also life could become kind of boring. Usually people have some long term goals in life, then they would be what, become leaderboard #1 in a game... or do a stupid TikTok challenge. I am saying that I would get bored, because we wouldn't be able to as much as we want, whenever we want, however we want. The planet can't handle a sustainable living place for us, if all would live like millionaires. All we would do, is live boring, reagular lives with no real hard objectives or goals.
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@jarbystark Ai is a tool. I want to ask, do you know anything about coding? All the files and folders, linked to one another correctly, in a correct order, then there is the backend, server side developing, not getting started with that. The fact is that no body knows when an ai so smart, that it could actually make software would come out, or if it even will come. If you do coding, AI is a nice tool, but the code it gives is so unfinished and glitchy. Also in programming we use variables, attributes, etc. and they are custom named. The AI just slams some descriptive name for it, which is okay in smaller projects, but anything larger than a few hundred lines, there is gonna be a bunch of bugs, naming conflicts etc. All need to be fixed. It’s a tool right now, and all the stories about super intelligent AIs are theories. No one knows if it’s even going to be able to be created.
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0xhenrique I'm not from the USA, so it's not "our" salaries, prices, debt, middle class, or house prices. The whole world knows the situation in America, and for an average person it's terrible, can barely pay for rent, let alone buy a house. Most live paycheck to paycheck. Now I am nothing but a regular, but I still get at least 500-1000 to savings per month, and my necessities plus a little fun on top of that, the prices have risen globally, but especially in the US. Speak the word man, you can make a change there. It's better for all of you guys if you vote Harris because she is at least closer to the direction of the lifestyle we have in Europe. Trump is just another billionaire collecting free money from his workers. I feel so bad for people who are working 12 hour days with minimum wage, and some billionaire is collecting the passive income. But to be honest, you now as well as I do, that you can't predict a stock market crash. There are no recent special signs of one, the American economy has been like that for a LONG time. Minimum wage has been 7.5$ for what, 20 years almost?
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0xhenrique Also here in Finland Europe, no, I wouldn’t have gotten a job by knowing basic concepts of webdev 5 years ago, not in the us either. It was the start of covid time (3months before), it’s not that long ago. Basic concepts are so simple, that a person with them would equal value=0 for the company. If I got nothing to show for why would I get hired when theres better people on the line😅. Also the US statistics of workers (or something like that) has stated on their official government website that there is a steady yearly rise in the amount of software engineers. The job is changing, not dissappearing or ”over” as you said. Not in a long time. If you have done coding recently and tried AI code, you’d know how crappy it is. Anything beyond the current is a theory, likely AI will develop, but not indefinitely. Something will run out. Or a problem comes that no one can solve. How can someone create an intelligence equal or even closely equal to humans, when we don’t even understand rats’ brains.
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@TheFinalsTV Yeah. You know, not everyone lives in the USA (If you do). Here in Europe employees actually have rights. Guaranteed paid sick days, vacations, free healthcare, and my boss can’t kick me out without a reason, this is the reason why your view of a job is so much worse than mine. We got minimum wages for every industry etc. Also here in Finland, your boss first has to give you a warning, before he can kick someone out, that’s because many fix their issues after a warning. Now in America all this stuff works differently, your boss can do whatever he wants to you, and I know the average persons life quality is not too good living paycheck to paycheck there. I believe this is the reason for the fact that my view of a ”9-5” job is good and yours bad. Because it is actually bad in America. Also if u don’t live there, still seems like workers have bad conditions there (wherever you live). On top of that nothing keeps the current society running except jobs, someone has to make the big mac and sell the cheese for you. So I would really pray for jobs. Fix your system, that’s the problem, not the jobs.
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@mrX666-s9p I wasn't talking about your business. Or anyone's business. I was only talking about OpenAI, and if OpenAI gets something like this project done, where they have invested billions they are also going to run it. And that's all it takes, if the intelligence has access to the internet then the ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) can learn and do anything, the thing is that we don't know what it would do. We don't know what will happen, but with a higher intelligence, likely learning at a speed humans can't even understand. I have a feeling it's not necessarily only going to be good things... Right now you can choose to use this tool, I use it sometimes, and many do, but there might be a time when no one asks your business, the AI just moves around the internet like a file.
So maybe if you misread my previous comment, don't go talking about someone or in this case me, being dumb. I was talking about an "AI equally as smart as a human", now does one exist right now? No, it doesn't. And that's where your reading abilities stopped you from understanding my comment. I was talking about the FUTURE. Now you know.
So don't go ahead of yourself. People are not the brightest on average, but usually the ones calling others dumb, are dumb themselves because first: they don't understand something (my sentence, in this example), and to them it means that it "isn't possible", or "doesn't make sense", or they start talking about something completely different (like their business, in this case), in reality the only problem is your own intelligence, you don't understand what is being presented to you, so you are not going to get it, and after that you answer with one of those, or something else.
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@mrX666-s9p Uhh, nobody is gonna ask your business, or anyone else's business. OpenAI is investing BILLIONS into an ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) and if they achieve that, they will also run that. It most likely has internet. With conscience, internet and intelligence higher than ours, you can't possibly know what is going to happen. That thing could move in the internet through servers like just a normal file, we wouldn't see that, because it's intelligence exceeds ours.
Before calling someone dumb, I would take a step back. The only problem you didn't get the idea of my first comment is that your reading abilities didn't understand the text. I was talking about "If an AI as smart as humans..." and from that you can make a conclusion: Uhh, okay this guy is talking about the future. But that's where you went wrong.
After that comes this: Either you (or the one who doesn't understand) calls others dumb, or say "that doesn't make sense", "i don't believe in that" etc.
The only reason is that they (in this case you) didn't even understand the original idea, so of course they (you) won't be able to say anything about it.
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But don’t worry. AI development is slowing down, because of computing power limitations. Yeah the chinese AI came out, but what new does it REALLY have? Yeah. Nothing. Just a rival to the US based ones.
Also laws of physics. There’s only X amount of transistors you can put inside of computer chips etc. That’s the reason why my 9 year old PC works perfectly even today. Imagine a 2001 and 2010 PC difference between each other. Yep, the current computer model is pushing it’s limits. Quantum computers might change it but theres no info or news or any kind of progress happening right now, maybe never will, who knows. of it going forward anytime soon. So yeah, I wouldn’t worry too much.
There’s even talks about AI having an effect on climate change already, which likely means the companies’ supercomputers are running at maximum all time. For those who didn’t know the AI doesn’t run on your phone or PC, it gets the answers from the server (and the 1billion$ supercomputer)
A month ago, OpenAI, Anthropic and Google all had ran into issues on developing their new AI models. Likely computing limitations and combinations of millions of algorithms becoming too hard for humans to even understand anymore. LLM training is a huge process, and to keep up the progress so far, it’s a upwards exponential line, every new version needs more money, employees, and most importantly, the computing power that we dont have.
AI and deep machine neural network learning combined with millions of algorithms lines of code and a bunch of other stuff are extremely difficult and hard fields, and when the scale is what it is now the line is highly upwards exponential, if more progress is gonna be done, combined with millions of algorithms and bunch of other stuff, not even the smartest individuals can solve that. Can AI solve that? I guess it can’t since my 50 lines of simple Java code are sometimes too much for GPT4o…
The AI hypephase caused the ”memes” about homeless devs. Has happened before (not in a similar way), but essentially it has gone by. People said the same thing years ago already ”Ooh, AI takes your jobs”. The US bureau of labor says that tech, computer science and programming is going to just increase. I wouldn’t worry too much.
And one last thing: Governments will start limiting AI usage and development when it starts to affect their tax income, mark my words.
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