Comments by "Maksie0" (@Maksie0) on "Atheist vs Christian: 24 Hours Side By Side" video.

  1. People are probably vocal about being vegan to prevent people giving them food they can't eat.
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  2.  Raa16  What claims? Atheism is just the lack of theistic belief.
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  3. No, those definitions are incorrect. Theism/atheism pertains to the belief in a god. A theist believes there's a god. An atheist does not. Note that atheism doesn't require the belief in the non-existence of gods, just the lack of theistic belief. Gnosticism/agnosticism pertains to knowledge. A gnostic claims to know their position is correct. An agnostic does not. Agnosticism is not some sort of middle position, it's simply the lack of a knowledge claim. Both gnosticism and agnosticism are in no way mutually exclusive with theism and atheism. Though I would say that gnosticism can't be rationally justified.
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  4. What rational thinking convinced you that the Christian religion is true?
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  5. I mean, ultimately everything dies at some point. But in the meantime we're all still alive and trying to make the best of life. Morality is just about getting along as a social species. Empathy and an understanding of the consequences of your actions usually go a long way.
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  6. How is an emotional reaction evidence of the existence of a god?
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  7. Where was he hiding?
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  8.  @thorfinthorfin3010  That's not what agnosticism means.
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  9. Why do you hate people just for lacking belief in a god?
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  10. There's a pandemic going on right now my dude
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  11.  @fatnakedjimmyneutron  Hope doesn't need to be about some hypothetical eternal bliss.
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  12.  Raa16  How do you know all mortal things must have a cause? And how do you know that "cause" has to be a creator?
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  13. How is it obvious?
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  14. Big if
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  15. Fact: Charles K loves to sniff wet diapers.
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  16. You don't need religion to have hope.
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  17.  @fatnakedjimmyneutron  Life's plenty worth living without holding the unsubstantiated belief that there's some kind of eternal paradise at the end of it. Life is what it is, and we may as well make the most of it.
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  18. How is the lack of a belief a set of beliefs or practices?
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  19. Who is this for? This isn't exactly convincing to atheists.
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  20. Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
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  21.  IssyFishyy  No it doesn't.
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  22.  IssyFishyy  How am I forcing anyone to do anything?
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  23. Lose nothing? You'll have wasted the only life you have on ancient superstition.
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  24. I think you forgot to make an actual argument in there.
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  25. That just sounds sad that your beliefs would get in the way of a relationship like that.
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  26.  @realnashambleats  We have one example of intelligent lifeforms living on a planet, and countless examples of other planets existing. But we have no examples of any gods existing.
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  27. What do you call someone who inflicts horrible suffering on those who disobey him?
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  28. I'm just wondering how you ruled out other possible causes for the intense emotions.
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  29. I'm not denying that those intense emotions are real and impactful, I just don't see how you can make the leap to a supernatural explanation for those feelings, when lots of things can make people experience intense emotions, like beautiful music for example.
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  30. Show demonstrable, observable evidence of your supernatural claims or it's meaningless.
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  31. Where was he hiding?
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  32. What "dark path"?
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  33. How does it take any faith at all?
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  34.  @leveltrucks6705  Claims from an ancient book and personal testimonies about trips to hell are not demonstrable evidence.
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  35. Cool. I had a dream two nights ago where I was in a video game and I had a pet chicken.
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  36.  @d.j.wellington  Like what? Atheism is just the lack of theistic belief, so I find it odd that you claim we believe in a lot of things.
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  37. Atheists don't believe in nothing. We just don't believe in gods.
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  38. "Wow, you can clearly see in the video that the person I agree with is happier or more attractive or whatever the hell than the other person, making my views superior."
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  39. Video games are fine. It's religion you wanna stay away from. That stuff rots your brain!
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  40. What if some other god exists who's merciful to atheists but hates idolatry? You'd be going to the Bad Place.
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  41. The what now?
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  42. Nope. Agnosticism means you don't make a knowledge claim about your theistic or atheistic position. And atheism is the lack of theistic belief, as the name implies.
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  43. Try showing demonstrable evidence that hell is real first, otherwise why would I ever care?
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  44.  Raa16  Demanding that married couples stay together for life, no matter what might happen or how they might change, is not an example of "superior morality", but a stubborn and harmful adherence to tradition.
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  45.  @fatnakedjimmyneutron  I'm not gonna, cause it's not even real.
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  46. Atheism is the lack of theistic belief, not the absolute claim that there is no god. I can say that no god exists to the same degree that I can say no ghosts exist, in that the reality that I observe is indistinguishable from one in which they don't exist, to such a degree that if these supernatural beings, whether they be deities or spirits of dead people, did exist, they would have to be actively hiding from scientific inquiry.
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  47.  @bearcats513  If something can't be observed how can we come to reliable conclusions about its existence?
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  48.  @bearcats513  The colloquial definition or the Christian one?
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  49. How do you know?
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  50. Essentially, lack of demonstrable evidence.
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  51. Atheism doesn't mean moral nihilism, I want as few people to die of this disease as possible.
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  52. Can you demonstrate that mountains, oceans, and mothers necessitate the existence of a god?
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  53.  Raa16  Complexity is not indicative of design.
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  54.  IssyFishyy  Again, complexity is not indicative of design. And just because you think it's "highly unlikely" that life occured naturally (not sure how you calculated that likelihood) doesn't mean the claim of a god is automatically justified.
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  55.  IssyFishyy  It really doesn't.
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  56.  IssyFishyy  Nothing about the world around us necessitates the existence of a god.
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  57.  IssyFishyy  How do you know?
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  58. What convinced you that a god exists?
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  59. You can't seriously think those things are happening more than in the past. Do you legitimately think the past didn't have a huge amount war? Seismic activity? Sickness? Does the black plague ring a bell? You're looking at the world through the tinted glasses of your beliefs.
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  60. "Atheism and evolutionism is based on the theory that something came from nothing." Already completely wrong. I don't know where you got this idea but I think someone lied to you about what atheism and the scientific theory of evolution actually are.
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  61. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s), and nothing more. The theory of evolution is the scientific model of change in characteristics in populations of animals over generations. Neither of these have anything to do whatsoever with "something coming from nothing".
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  62. I mean you're right, it's not just theism that's an issue, it's irrational beliefs and superstitions in general. Just look at current events where you have people denying the existence of a pandemic, or denying the US election results to the point where they literally storm the capitol and some of them get themselves killed.
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  63. Why?
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  64. There's nothing 'spiritual' about morality. It's a simple question of what benefits life and well-being. If you think about your actions and how they affect other people's well-being, you're using morality. As humans we're a social species, so this way of thinking is beneficial for us as we accomplish more when we work together. God, in my opinion, is not a source for morality at all. After all, aren't the commandments just the personal likes and dislikes of one particular being?
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  65. I understand how intense and real it must have felt but again, how do you know it's from a supernatural source just from that? To me (and I mean no offense by this) it seems more like a case of mass hysteria akin to the Dancing Plague of 1518. There's a history of groups of people behaving erratically and experiencing extremely intense emotions in certain situations. I'm not claiming to know for sure that an experience as you described it is a case of mass hysteria, but that explanation seems to require fewer assumptions than a supernatural one.
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  66. How can the scientific method coexist with a belief system that makes untestable supernatural claims, and goes against what we observe in nature?
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  67. What if you live your life as a Christian and it turns out one of the thousands of other gods exists? Wouldn't they be even angier that you spent your life worshipping a false god? How are you gonna explain that to Zeus, or Allah, or Vishnu?
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  68. The Christian deity seems to get pretty upset about people worshipping false gods. You can believe they're all the same one if you want, but what if you're wrong? Would you risk spending an eternity in the Underworld with Hades?
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  69. Everyone poops themselves when they die
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  70. You're assuming that the stories of Jesus are true. If they're myth, it would have been trivially easy to write the new testament in such a way that it fulfills the prophecies of the old testament.
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  71. Faith can be used to believe anything. It is not a reliable pathway to truth.
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  72. The physical world is all that we can investigate scientifically. Anything "beyond" that seems to be somehow immune to the application of the scientific method. Why is that?
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  73. How do you know your grandmother's recovery was divine in nature?
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  74. Religion gives people bad reasons to do harmful things, basically.
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  75. Who is this meant to convince?
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  76. Because visions are always an accurate prediction of reality, and never imaginary or delusional!
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  77. Sorry, I know that was a bit derisive. My point is that visions are subjective experiences that don't necessarily say much about reality, but I probably could have worded it in a less nasty way.
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  78.  @leveltrucks6705  Just what I said, claims. Or at the very most, weak evidence. Not enough to justify belief in a whole other realm of existence in which people are tortured in a big fiery cave, in my opinion.
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  79. Do you expect this wall of text to convince anyone?
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  80. Agnosticism is not asserting knowledge of the existence of a god, or lack thereof. It's not mutually exclusive with atheism or theism. So an agnostic atheist doesn't believe in any gods but doesn't claim to know that no gods exist. An agnostic theist believes in a god but doesn't claim to know that their god exists.
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  81. Because most commenters here are probably from the US and Europe, and Christianity is the most prevalent religion there.
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  82. You guys don't let women have breakfast with you?
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  83. The standard for morality is well-being.
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  84. We (or at least I) judge actions as moral or immoral depending on whether they contribute to well-being. We want to be healthy without our life being threatened, so murder is seen as very immoral. Wealth and possessions are used to get through life, so taking them from others is immoral. Etc. In any case, using God as a standard seems meaningless to me since then you're just judging things as moral or immoral based on the whims of a deity. If God spoke to every human tomorrow and told them murder was moral, would it become moral?
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  85. People already do have different standards, or they wouldn't do harmful things to each other.
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  86. Nonbelief takes no faith at all.
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  87.  @d.j.wellington  I accept evolution and the big bang, as do the vast majority of scientists. Not sure where you're getting the "everything from nothing" and "soup rock" stuff.
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  88.  @d.j.wellington  No, atheism is only the lack of theistic belief. You're accusing me of ignorance while being the ignorant one.
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  89.  @d.j.wellington  I'm literally telling you what I believe and you're saying "no, you actually believe this other thing" 😂
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  90.  @d.j.wellington  Running away was probably the best move. Take care.
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  91. Then good people are preferable to 'righteous' people.
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  92. Desires can change and feelings can occur without a god being involved.
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  93. You've missed the third and biggest reason for atheism: the complete lack of demonstrable evidence for theistic claims. We're all born without belief in a god. Many of us are indoctrinated at a very young age, before we're able to think critically, and end up realizing the flimsiness of theistic claims later in life. And others just never start believing.
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  94. Do you believe in Super Mario? No? Then that means he must now exist, right?
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  95. I don't assume that someone made it, because there's no evidence leading me to that conclusion.
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  96.  @IssyFishyy  Why isn't there evidence? I dunno. Maybe it's because no one created the universe?
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  97.  @IssyFishyy  I said I didn't know and offered a possible explanation.
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  98.  @IssyFishyy  It's not. Because of the aforementioned lack of demonstrable evidence.
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  99.  @IssyFishyy  I haven't seen evidence that demonstrates that our existence necessitates some kind of supernatural creator.
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  100.  @IssyFishyy  Which one? You've got a whole bunch of 'em.
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  101. Steve, imagine I flip a coin in a closed-off room. You can't see the coin, and have no way to verify what it landed on. Someone else outside the closed-off room, who also can't see the coin, says that the coin must have landed on heads. He has no way of knowing, so you don't believe him. Does this mean you automatically hold the position that the coin landed on tails?
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  102. My point is that not believing a claim doesn't mean you accept the opposite claim.
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  103. I don't pick a belief based on what I want to be true. I'm practically forced to be an atheist due to the lack of evidence for theism.
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  104. Atheists experience awe just like you do. We just don't assume that it had to have been created by someone.
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  105. Aw, poor conservative snowflake.
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  106. Atheists were predicted? My dude, atheists predate Christianity. Also, you should turn off caps lock when you comment. It makes you look like a raving lunatic.
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  107. I mean, religion isn't the only irrational thought process that could lead one to conservative positions.
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  108. "Supidity"
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  109.  @jondon8941  How has the absence of theism caused genocide, Jon?
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  110. So if you became convinced that your beliefs were mistaken, you'd start murdering and looting left and right?
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  111.  @IssyFishyy  I have "deluded nihilism based behavior"? You literally believe that this life doesn't matter because there's an infinitely lasting one directly after it.
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  112. Oh ok, I believe now. Lol no I don't, that's not how belief works. Do you think this will make anyone believe? You just telling them to? We're atheists because there's no demonstrable evidence for these claims. Not because no one ever told us "just believe bro".
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  113.  Raa16  I don't even know who you are
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  114. Believing in a specific deity to "have a relationship with" is a religious belief. As much as Christians try, you can't somehow have non-religious Christianity. It's a religion.
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  115.  @gagewaterhouse4323  Air is demonstrably there. Gods are not. That's the important distinction.
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  116. Ok, is there a creation?
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  117. @Christian Mulipola But that's assuming we're created by a creator. Which is a weird thing to do if you want to point at humanity as a "creation" to argue that a creator exists. It's circular.
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  118. @Christian Mulipola We know that people paint paintings. We have no evidence of anyone "creating" humans in the sense of intentional design, as opposed to natural reproduction.
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  119. @Christian Mulipola On what do you base the claim that the universe is evidence for a god? Do we have any examples we can look at of gods creating universes?
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  120. @Christian Mulipola How do you know?
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  121. @Christian Mulipola How do you know the bible is a reliable source of information?
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  122. @Christian Mulipola Kind of weird for you to call me a dummy and assert your religious beliefs as factual truth, and then admit that believing it requires faith. Oh well. Have a good one.
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  123. You've talked to all atheists?
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  124. Why do you need to be theistic to be an attorney?
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  125. What if the reason we exist on this one little habitable planet in this vast, largely inhospitable universe, is that this was the place where we could exist? After all, a puddle of water fits the hole in the ground that it exists in, the hole wasn't made around the puddle.
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  126. How do you know we are?
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  127. Of course not. What I see is countless animals that exhibit pain, sadness, joy, empathy, and the ability to solve logical problems. Have you ever seen a crow try to get food out of a thin cylinder of water? They drop pebbles into the water to raise the water level so they can get to the food floating on its surface. Isn't that indicative of consciousness? But sure, if consciousness means skyscrapers and discussing religion, then humans are the only ones. But that seems like a strange and arbitrary definition of consciousness.
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  128. In that case I agree
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  129. They address different issues and because of that they are not mutually exclusive. Atheism/theism is the answer to the question of belief Agnosticism/gnosticism is the answer to the question of knowledge So an agnostic atheist is one who does not believe in any gods, but doesn't claim knowledge that there aren't any gods.
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  130.  Raa16  My parents got divorced. Had they stayed together, they would have been unhappy, and I would have been unhappy too. Now they're been able to find new happiness with different partners. What is immoral about that?
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  131. I'm not convinced of the Christian supernatural claims. I can't accept what I don't believe. Evidence is required.
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  132. What? Christians are persecuted by the government? In the United States? Surely you're joking.
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  133. What the fuck is a spirit?
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  134. What convinced you that Christianity is true?
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  135.  Fire Stryker  What convinced you?
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  136. Whoever sees this, know that there probably is no god and you should spend your life how you want to spend it.
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  137.  IssyFishyy  Don't call them a demon, that's very rude.
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  138. You need to go back to science class.
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  139. But we have overwhelming evidence that buildings are designed and built by humans, and no demonstrable evidence for a god making anything.
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  140.  @IssyFishyy  It's not even a little safe to infer that
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  141.  @IssyFishyy  Design doesn't always lead to something complex. I could design a brick. Also, here's another fun one. My cat pissing on the floor creates a puddle. After it rains, there are puddles everywhere. It is safe to infer that rain is piss from my cat.
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  142.  @IssyFishyy  Then literally everything is complex and the term becomes functionally meaningless.
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  143.  @IssyFishyy  So then, everything just has to have a designer by default? Nothing non-designed can exist, ever?
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  144.  @IssyFishyy  Special pleading. If you wanna claim that everything that exists needs a designer, that applies to your designer too.
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  145. ​ @IssyFishyy  Because people came up with a catchy name. You claimed that all things need a creator. Then you claimed the creator doesn't. Special pleading. People wouldn't tell you that a million times if you'd listened the first time.
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  146.  @IssyFishyy  So when you say everything natural needs a cause. How do you know that's the case? And how do you know that case is a god? Or that it's even possible for that case to be a god? And if all natural things are designed, doesn't that make them no longer natural?
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  147.  @IssyFishyy  Okay, how do you know that things "with limits" must be caused by a god? And how do you know it's possible for this "limitless being" to exist?
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  148.  @IssyFishyy  Not necessarily. A planet could form as a result of an unguided natural process, and it wouldn't have existed forever. Why is "a god made it" the default explanation of all naturally occuring things?
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  149.  @IssyFishyy  The default explanation is "I don't know". For "God did it" to be an explanation, God would need to be demonstrated to exist.
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  150.  @IssyFishyy  Non-sentience does not necessitate creation by a sentient being. Anyway, I'm tired of this back and forth, so last reply.
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  151. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods.
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  152. No, that's not the case. Lacking a belief in something is not the same as believing something does not exist. As the existence of a god is not something I can investigate, it's impossible to make a claim whether or not it exists.
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  153. For "the truth", you say? Most of your comment talks about what makes you feel better, not about what's demonstrably true. A falsehood can be comforting.
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  154. You might find the idea that life has no inherent meaning depressing, but that doesn't mean there's a good reason to believe otherwise.
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  155. I'll bite. The story of Noah's ark is literally impossible. We know that the earth has not been completely covered in water, and we know that a wooden ship could not house every species of animal and the means to take care of them.
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  156. How is that the only explanation? Isn't it far more likely that there are many places in the world that are prone to floods, and those places will tend to have myths relating to those floods?
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  157. No, there's definitely dumb atheists out there. And I'm an agnostic atheist.
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  158.  IssyFishyy  I asked them.
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  159. Leaving earth? Are you trying to convert astronauts?
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  160. You have a vivid imagination.
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  161. I really feel like you should've realized by now that I'm not taking you seriously. Because let's be honest, I have no reason to. You're rambling like a crazy person about things that have never been demonstrated to even exist.
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  162. For that to happen, you'd have to do a bit more to stand out from the other doomsayers, and the stuff you're describing would actually have to, well, happen. So I'm not counting on it.
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  163. The truth is what it is, not what you want it to be. And you don't have to be religious to be empathic.
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  164. Atheism is not a religion. It's the lack of theistic belief.
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  165.  IssyFishyy  Been a month, no Jesus.
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