Comments by "Maksie0" (@Maksie0) on "Do All Christians Think the Same? | Spectrum" video.

  1. The line is drawn there because children cannot consent.
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  2. Stop trying to reel him back in. I know you Christians probably feel like it's your holy duty to "save this lost soul" but it seems like he's out of your cult for good.
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  3. Then no one can be a Christian, because no one can actually know.
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  4. She compared consenting relationships between two adults to child abuse.
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  5. No she absolutely should change. She's not hated because she's "righteous", she's hated because she compared consenting relationships between consenting adults with child molestation. She's vile.
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  6.  @studentofthesaviors.o.s  I think you've seen people go from openly gay to gay and in the closet.
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  7. Consent. You draw it at consent.
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  8. You mean that awful woman who compared being gay with pedophilia?
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  9. Being gay isn't a "lifestyle", it's part of who they are. And there's no rational reasion to "not support it", nor is there a way to "not support it" while truly loving them.
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  10.  @studentofthesaviors.o.s  Completely false.
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  11. 😬
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  12. Does B.I.C. stand for Bigoted Ignorant Christian?
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  13. How's it wrong?
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  14. I am so sick of this line.
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  15. Who the fuck is saying kids should get reassignment surgery? Minors can get fully reversible puberty blockers at the most, and that's after a very lengthy process of talking to medical experts.
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  16. Christians love dressing up their blatant homophobia with cute little emojis
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  17.  @mikeybrissy1613  There's your problem
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  18. At consent
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  19.  @Nameless10949  When I'm wrong according to someone's religion? Nah, they can keep that to themselves.
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  20. The homophobic one?
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  21. Yikes
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  22. You don't have to be an atheist to be a decent person.
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  23. If this Jesus character loves me so much, why can't he just come tell me himself? Why the need for this high school "my friend likes you, do you like him back?" nonsense?
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  24. "pEoPlE sEnD tHeMsElVeS!" I never chose not to believe a god exists, I simply never became convinced one does. Assuming your god exists, he could simply choose not to send me to the scary fiery torture cave.
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  25. For what, for saying we shouldn't condone gay people? Seems like kind of a shitty take.
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  26.  @lictxn  Saying "I don't support the sin" about gay people is still homophobic
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  27. Gay people don't choose to be gay. They just are.
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  28. Why does he need to?
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  29.  @lia-sl9im  That doesn't answer my question. If Jesus wanted people to follow his rules, showing that he demonstrably exists would go a long way.
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  30.  @lia-sl9im  What? Why?
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  31. Then people shouldn't be Christian.
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  32. It's just like how Santa seems to be a little nicer to the rich kids.
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  33. Wrong on both counts, buddy.
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  34. If you're in love with someone of the same gender, what's there to hate about that? And why would you obey, let alone worship someone who hates that?
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  35. How disgusting.
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  36.  @thehonesttruth415  Saying "hey, you being with your wife is WRONG" isn't very loving.
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  37. "Just turn off your brain and believe and obey!" What a wonderful message.
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  38. Can you prove "eternal life" actually exists?
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  39. Nobody can go to heaven. Because it's not real. You're being homophobic for a fantasy.
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  40. Really?
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  41. Sure, but it's senseless to never try to find love, affection, romance, or sex when it's something you want in your life.
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  42. Ugh, again with that nonsense. You can't say you "love the sinner" when you irrationally hate their sexuality.
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  43.  @CAM8689  Being LGBTQ+ is something you are, not something you do.
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  44. Even when she compared relationships between consenting adults to child abuse?
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  45. BYMER, What kind of egotistical, narcissistic, cruel monster would create a species specifically to worship it, and then punish it with generations of death and suffering for disobedience? Do you not see how incredibly horrible that is?
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  46. You guys just love sticking a "tHe TrUtH" sticker on the stuff you believe, huh
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  47. Gay people didn't choose to be gay, and aren't hurting anyone by being engaging in romantic relationships with people of the same gender. I can't think of a good reason not to support that.
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  48. @Peyton Wenz You believe. That's not the same as knowing.
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  49.  @lictxn  It's homophobic to have an irrational aversion to two women or two men in love. Even if you got that irrational aversion from your religion.
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  50.  @lictxn  No, being gay is not something you can just stop being. If you don't want to argue about this, you're free to stop responding.
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  51. You can either be a good person or a good Christian, but you can't be both. Your comment demonstrates that.
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  52.  @lia-sl9im  Why is it dependent on belief? Does your god favor the gullible?
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  53.  @lia-sl9im  How do you know?
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  54.  @lia-sl9im  Go for it
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  55. Nobody decides to be LGBTQ+ though.
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  56.  @kaylee2515  That's not how attracting works. You don't choose who you're attracted to.
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  57. Gross
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  58. I have relationships with lots of people who I don't unquestioningly obey. So hey, putting the old book aside, do you think being gay means you deserve to be put to death?
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  59. What exactly is it that you "don't agree with"?
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  60. You can't deny your sexuality and stop yourself from ever experiencing romantic love and expect to have a good life. There's literally nothing wrong with sleeping someone of the same gender. It harms no one. Your beliefs, however, are very harmful.
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  61. "I don't hate left handed people! I just believe it's evil for them to use their left hand to do things!"
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  62. Cry some more.
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  63.  @JESUSLOVESYOU219  And I'm okay with that, because the alternative is child abuse.
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  64.  @JESUSLOVESYOU219  The thing is that gay people's relationships don't involve child abuse. I mean it's not that complicated. Of course you draw lines where there's demonstrable harm.
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  65.  @JESUSLOVESYOU219  Right. It's not fine because I or a bunch of other people say it is, it's fine because, unlike grooming children, relationships between people of the same gender aren't demonstrably harmful.
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  66. As far as I can tell, this god is indistinguishable from a non-existent one. That's not about "not wanting people to be robots". That's actively hiding your existence.
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  67. "The idea"? What "idea"?
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  68.  @Archalias100  Evidently he isn't, considering according to the stories, he already had to wipe out most of humanity after they didn't turn out how he intended.
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  69. Why'd he create hell then? What a dink. Also, being gay, bi, trans, etc isn't a "lifestyle".
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  70. Must be nice and easy to not think about anything yourself and just mindlessly regurgitate rules from an ancient book.
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  71. What is it that you don't support?
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  72. As everyone should.
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  73. It sucks that your religion makes you anti-world. I think the world's pretty great.
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  74.  @fancyphantom8103  Obviously I don't love those things. But humanity in general? Nature? The big ball of dirt we're sitting on? I think those things are worth protecting. And yes, the world sucks in many ways, but that doesn't mean we should hate it in favor of some invisible cosmic father figure. It means we need to work to make it suck less.
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  75. Then your god needs his eyes checked.
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  76. Sounds like a good way to potentially deny yourself your whole life for no reward at the end.
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  77.  @Lx-qc1uo  Staying abstinent because you're gay isn't "bettering yourself".
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  78.  @javyroo9405  Humans made marriage and defined it in a multitude of different ways throughout history. Hating gay marriage is inherently irrational and bigoted.
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  79.  @javyroo9405  I mean it falls in line with all the other bigotry and irrationality that was the norm in the bronze age, but it's still bigoted and irrational.
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  80. Completely invisible, undetectable, unmeasurable, undemonstrable. Indistinguishable from a non-existent god.
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  81. Being gay harms no one. But an irrational hatred of gay people can absolutely be harmful.
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  82. Spencer, you can say that, but you can't prove that's actually the case. When dealing with issues of morality I prefer to stay in the realm of what can actually be demonstrated.
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  83. @Class of 2021 Someone's sexuality is part of who they are. You can't love someone while hating that part of them.
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  84. @Class of 2021 It's like saying you love someone but hate the color of their skin. I wouldn't know if I'd classify that as love.
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  85. @Class of 2021 Unlike dietary habits or profession, sexuality is not a choice. It's defined by who you're attracted to, not by what you do.
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  86. I have green skin. That was a lie. Do I now desere eternal torture?
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  87. "It does guarantee your going to Hell" If you're gonna tell me to read the comment, make sure it says what you think it does.
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  88. No problem.
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  89. Why should I care about insulting a deity who hasn't been demonstrated to exist? What you just wrote is an insult to gay people. And those, you know, demonstrably exist.
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  90. Being gay hurts no one.
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  91. Porn is about as harmful as peanut butter: only harmful when consumed in such an excess that it interferes with everyday life.
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  92. I love it when bible thumpers spout buzzwords like "degeneracy". Instantly tells me to not take their nonsense seriously.
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  93. Imagine being genuinely distraught that blatantly bigoted views from an ancient book are being abandoned in favor of accepting people who are different from yourself.
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  94. Adults can consent. Children can't. It's really not complicated at all.
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  95. If the bible says it's wrong to be gay, that's just evidence that it's not a good guide for morality.
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  96. How did you verify that a man mentioned in a bronze age story is, in fact, in heaven?
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  97. At what?
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  98. I don't know. It's certainly possible. But does it matter?
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  99. "This, to me, is overwhelming evidence to suggest not only that Jesus Christ existed as man (this is both a religious and secular claim) and that He was crucified (also a secular and religious claim), but that He was Who He said He was and Who the Church tells us He is today." Why?
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  100. We conclude that certain historical events occured, or most likely occured, based on evidence. But can you really come to the conclusion that a supernatural being exists because people believed it to be the case?
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  101. The truth isn't decided by popular vote, and faith is inherently unreliable.
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  102. You're basically saying "all of these people can't be wrong" and I don't know how you can justify that.
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  103. Does 9/11 prove that Islam is true? Those extremists willingly died for their beliefs. It really doesn't matter how many people believed or how strong their belief was. It's not sufficient evidence to demonstrate the reality of a supernatural claim.
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  104. How do you know what they saw?
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  105. You seem to take all this information to the bible as fact. How do you know any of it's true? Your conclusion that someone magically rose from the dead to become a demigod is based on a lot of assumptions. Any number of aspects or events surrounding this Jesus figure could be fictional, and there's no way to investigate them.
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  106. Having faith in something doesn't make that untrue. It just means that you have no good reason to think you're right. "Such as?" Literally any of it. Good morning by the way, hope you slept alright.
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  107. When a god is indistinguishable from a non-existant god, said god's fans are what's going to make or break your experience with religion.
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  108. Secular morality: "Let's carefully examine the consequences of these actions to see if they are beneficial, harmful, or neutral." Religious morality: "BOOK SAY NO"
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  109. Why is faith, belief without sufficient evidence, the crucial part? The only logical reason to make that the most important requirement is if it's all made up.
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  110. You cannot demonstrate that someone came back to life after three days of being dead two millennia ago. And like I said, the only reason to make faith a requirement of your religion is to reward gullibility.
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  111. "gAy TeMpTaTiOnS"
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  112.  @wyattg1750  "The sin" in this case is part of who they are, and something that harms no one.
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  113. Maybe they care more about being decent human beings than obeying their favorite book
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  114.  IssyFishyy  Cool, let's disrespect tradition. Doing things only because people have done them in the past is meaningless.
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  115.  IssyFishyy  It's amazing how apart from your take on the death penalty, every opinion I've heard from you is just terrible.
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  116.  IssyFishyy  Good luck with that.
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  117. Here's the thing though, grooming kids and raping people causes harm, being in same-gender relationships doesn't.
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  118. Human sacrifice to avoid punishment for crimes committed by people before us. What a gruesome, confusing story.
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  119. Your beliefs are actively harmful.
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  120. Disrespect to that Christian woman to cancel out your undeserved respect.
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  121. You worship a guy who destroyed a whole city?
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  122. Billions of people destroying the environment through capitalist practices is not the same as an all-powerful being deciding to instantly destroy a city and killing everyone inside it. Also, I don't worship any of said humans. So not sure what your point was there.
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  123. No?
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  124. Which is disgusting.
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  125. It's actually not okay to be about homosexuality.
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  126. Being loving and creating a realm of eternal torture are mutually exclusive.
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  127. Or you could be in a relationship with someone who doesn't share your religious beliefs and not attempt to convert them.
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  128.  @Yazzy.M  What do you think it means to "disagree with the LGBTQ+ community"?
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  129. I say god's eye is irrelevant until we can actually show that it's there.
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  130. Only a Christian could leave a little heart emoji after mentioning literal human sacrifice by way of excruciating torture.
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  131. Yes, we are criticizing you for going with what an ancient book says over what's objectively a more moral position.
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  132. So basically this shows that sin has nothing to do with morality, if someone can murder a hundred innocent people and then become a Christian and end up in a better place than an ordinary gay person.
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  133. Being gay isn't a decision.
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  134. Then you're wrong.
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  135. Nobody chooses who they're attracted to.
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  136. Being expected to be celibate because a deity commands it is asinine.
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  137. The opinion of a deity who hasn't been demonstrated to exist is irrelevant.
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  138. You can't choose to be gay, full stop. Nobody chooses who they're attracted to.
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  139. You might be waiting for a long, long time 😉
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  140. I can't think of it as a relationship, because I have no reason to believe this figure I'm supposedly meant to have a relationship with actually exists.
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  141. Why do you people always end these vacuous statements with "pErIoD"?
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  142. The thing about a factual statement is that it has to be demonstrable.
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  143. Is your god truly so weak that he can't be in the presence of a perfectly wholesome gay couple?
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  144.  @bethanylynn266  Ok so he's just emotionally unstable is what you're saying
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  145. Not the case. Trans people are anyone whose gender doesn't match their sex. Which includes people with gender dysphoria but also others.
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  146. A loving and just god is incompatible with the concept of a realm of eternal torture. For any reason. There's no justice to be found in something like that.
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  147. Based on morality. Not bronze age writings.
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  148. JO Vine, Christianity is a religion.
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  149. Anyone who would send anyone else to a realm of eternal torture is 100% evil.
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  150. I'd rather have Christians being good people rather than being good Christians.
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  151. If being a "true christian" requires you to live a life of celibacy if you happen to be gay, then arguing for "true christianity" is harmful.
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  152. I think people should be free to do what makes them happy, as long as that doesn't hurt anyone. If you're happy without sex, don't have sex. But not having sex shouldn't be a requirement.
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  153. The difference is adults can consent and children can't.
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  154. If this god is disgusted at the sight of a gay couple, that doesn't seem like the kind of being I'd want to follow. Let alone worship.
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  155. Why is blind belief the one important factor? Like, that only makes sense to me if it's not actually true.
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  156. Food can't contaminate your heart? You don't know how heart disease works do you?
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  157. "Ugh, just because I don't accept black people doesn't mean I'm a racist!" That's how that sounds.
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  158. Pedophilia is inherently harmful. Homosexuality is not.
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  159.  @javyroo9405  How did you calculate those odds exactly?
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  160.  @javyroo9405  You could answer the question I asked you two months ago, how did you calculate the odds?
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  161. The crucial difference is that children cannot consent.
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  162. Halo, do you really not see how those are different?
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  163. Unless you can show demonstrable evidence that all of this is true, this message is meaningless to us unbelievers.
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  164.  @radachelkollie4048  That there is a god who loves us, that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, that we're in need of saviors, that everything was created in 6 days, etc.
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  165.  @radachelkollie4048  I don't see how ancient writings are anywhere near good enough evidence for the extraordinary supernatural claims made by Christians. It's also not demonstrable evidence by definition.
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  166.  @radachelkollie4048  Many Christians have read it and deconverted. I have not, but again, I'm looking for demonstrable evidence, not ancient writings.
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  167.  @radachelkollie4048  You don't think we discovered gravity by reading about it in a book, do you?
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  168. Who is this meant to convince? Do you think atheists are atheists because they've never read a random YouTube comment saying "pls repent"?
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  169. Pedophilia is demonstrably harmful. Homosexuality is not.
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  170. Why should I give a rat's ass about what a character from an ancient book thinks about it? The concept of "sin" has nothing to do with morality.
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  171. Sex with people of the same sex and outside of marriage is fine too, as long as there's consent.
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  172. Looks like your comment didn't get posted, I can see it in my inbox but not here in the thread. I'm saying it's fine in terms of morality.
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  173.  @OverthereLook  Lol ok
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  174.  @OverthereLook  You are an extremely silly person.
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  175.  @ladislavgodla3016  Adam and Eve never existed.
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  176. Being gay is not harmful. Molesting children is. It's not a complicated concept. And if you want people to give a damn about what your god wants, demonstrate that he exists in the first place.
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  177. How do you know?
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  178. It's a religion.
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  179. As an atheist, no, we absolutely don't. The only thing all of us have in common is that we don't believe in any gods.
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  180. I don't believe that the Christian god exists, or that Jesus rose from the dead, or any of that. Does that earn me a ticket to hell? Is that morally okay to you?
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  181. A religion is just a cult that's old enough and large enough to be seen with some degree of legitimacy.
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  182. Only a cruel being would ever create a hell.
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  183. Yes, it's an outdated opinion. Get rid of it.
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  184. No one needs "forgiveness" for being gay.
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  185. What is actually wrong with being gay, bi, or trans though? Beyond "God says so"?
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  186. What does it mean?
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  187. Support or encourage what exactly?
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  188. Yellow got a lot of hate because she spews a lot of hate.
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  189. Being gay hurts no one, so there's no reason to denounce it or argue against it.
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  190. Why is it morally wrong to have a relationship with someone of the same gender? Just because a god supposedly says so?
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  191. Why believe in god?
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  192. Prove that God's saying it. And being gay isn't a "lifestyle".
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  193. If he's so sad about people going to ETERNAL TORTURE LAND for not believing that he and his boy exist, why doesn't he actually demonstrate his existence? Does he only want the gullible to come live with him in heaven?
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  194.  @BigBeam4L  Calling your religious beliefs "the truth" doesn't make them true.
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  195.  @sriv6919  You want facts? How about the fact that the sodom and gomorrah story is a myth from an ancient book of fables? Or the fact that being gay harms no one?
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  196. Because he's a genocidal monster?
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  197. Ah, the always extremely convincing "oooooh you'll see!!"
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  198. That sounds like a toxic relationship.
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  199. I don't think it's right to pretend to believe something when I haven't been convinced by the available evidence. Do I deserve to burn forever in a lake of fire?
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  200. Sexuality is not a lifestyle. And what makes you think LGBTQ+ people "don't support waiting until marriage or marrying the opposite gender"?
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  201. Gay people, bisexual people, trans people, nonbinary people, etc all demonstrably exist. You can go talk to any number of them (unlike a god).
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  202. What do you think hell is like, Sumi? If it's the realm of eternal torture I've often heard it described as, this logic is absolutely disgusting.
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  203. Why don't you support two women who love each other getting married?
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  204. Ah, my bad
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  205. Why do you make the assumption that human morality is "broken" and that this god's demands are somehow justified? You don't know that. You could just be arbitrarily following the morality of bronze age humans.
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  206. How do you know it's the inspired, objective truth of God? And what makes you think we have no morality without a god telling us what to do? Are you not simply following your god's subjective morality?
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  207.  @rilakkumabby  Adam and Eve are fictional. Being gay hurts no one.
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  208.  @lictxn  Never said you were homophobic. I'm not assigning a trait to you as a person. I'm saying that regarding someone's sexuality, one that's not harming anyone, as something that's wrong with them that they need to overcome, is homophobic. It's the same as if someone were to say "I don't hate black people, I just don't support being black." Some say it's different because you can choose to act on your sexuality or not. And yes, you can be closeted about your sexuality and not so much about your race. But in the end it's looking at a harmless innate trait that someone has and saying that there's something wrong with it.
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  209.  @scammyjohn  What do you mean that you don't "support the way of attraction"? Like what the hell does that mean?
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  210.  @kenanbroersma709  No it doesn't. Christianity originated on this world just as much as any other manmade thing.
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  211. See, your comment is still shitty because it implies that being gay is an "impurity".
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  212. Spencer, you think you're trying to "save" people, but you're causing harm. It's sad you can't see that.
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  213. Yikes, a homophobe
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  214. She's vile.
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  215. How is being gay "wrong"?
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  216. Being gay (as in, being attracted exclusively to those of the same gender as yourself) doesn't seem to be a choice. No one chooses who they're attracted to, and it seems very unlikely that someone would "choose" to be gay in extremely conservative places where that can lead to a dangerous situation for them.
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  217. It's certainly possible that there's a genetic component to pedophilia. But pedophilia inherently involves sexual acts with children, who by definition cannot consent. Therein lies the difference. Same-gender relationships aren't harmful, adult-child relationships are.
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  218. If you're referring to ol' JC himself, that dude was Jewish I'm pretty sure
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  219.  @MrFrog-rc3zx  So he wasn't a Christian.
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  220.  @MrFrog-rc3zx  So then all Christians and Jewish people are also adherents of Ancient Semitic Polytheism?
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  221. What "wrong things"?
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  222.  @thehonesttruth415  Children cannot consent.
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  223. It's not an "urge to be overcome" though.
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  224. Why should someone ask to be forgiven for being gay? That's as ridiculous as a black person asking to be forgiven for being black.
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  225. Being gay isn't a lifestyle though. It's a sexuality. No one chooses who they're attracted to.
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  226. Hell is infinite punishment though. It can never be justified because any crime or wrongdoing a human can commit is finite in scale.
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  227.  @lia-sl9im  So?
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  228. Who is this meant to convince?
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  229. Why would we use an ancient book to tell us anything about gender?
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  230. Who are comments like these meant to convince exactly?
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  231. No one chooses who they're attracted to. No one "chose to be gay".
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  232.  @meganann9625  How do you know it's a reality?
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  233.  @meganann9625  But humans don't have the same standards for morality at all. Different people think different things are acceptable or unacceptable. Your conclusion doesn't logically follow at all.
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  234. That's always been strange to me. Why is not being convinced the one thing that's unforgivable?
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  235. Why does it depend on belief?
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  236. Being gay isn't "messing up".
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  237. Your use of commas is fine. Your homophobia is not.
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  238. You're right! Because heaven ain't real.
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  239.  @BuildingApologetics  I asked them.
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  240.  @jevislife5675  So what exactly is "not ok" about being LGBTQ+?
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  241. There's no such thing as "turning straight".
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  242. What transition?
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  243. You can't change your sexuality though.
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  244. "Everyone is born feeling straight"? What are you basing that on?
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  245. What makes you think it's a decision? Nobody chooses who they're attracted to. There are people who were never heterosexual.
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  246. It's not a choice, though. I can't choose to be convinced something is real when I don't see any evidence.
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  247. That's still an insanely bigoted thing to say lmao
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  248. I am so sick of this "hate the sin, love the sinner" nonsense. Someone's sexuality is part of who they are. You can't claim to love someone but hate a part of them that isn't hurting anyone.
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  249. Why should a specific religion, a rigid family structure, and the adoration of the state be promoted? There's much better ideas out there.
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  250. I don't follow any religion so that part doesn't apply to me. I think being gay, by, pan, etc should be normalized because, no matter how you think they got that way through nature or nurture or whatever, people like that exist. So as long as they're not hurting anyone, why wouldn't it be just as normal as being straight?
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  251. A fiery lake designed to induce eternal suffering is the exact opposite of justice and perfection. It shows a deity who is driven by cruelty and malice.
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  252. "Hi! I just wanted to let you and your husband know that we think your relationship and your marriage are inherently sinful and illegitimate. But we don't dislike you!" Because that's not disrespectful at all.
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  253. Seeing the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia isn't an "imperfection", that's ridiculous. One is harmless, the other is demonstrably harmful.
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  254. Do you think that's a good thing? Are you pro-lake of fire?
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  255.  @biblegirl452  What? Your entire religion revolves around it. The very symbol of Christianity is the cross, an ancient torture/execution device. Also, the bible was written by humans.
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  256. What do you mean by "not supporting" it? Like do you think being gay is morally bad?
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  257. Sounds like this god needs to get over it already. "Waaaah, gay people exist and I don't like it!" What a cosmic baby.
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  258. I prefer the other version. Altruistic actions are valuable, faith in a supernatural event in the bronze age is not.
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  259. Why would you fear a god?
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  260. If you have a point, make it.
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  261. I'm a little old to be obeying my parents, Black. Nor do I think parents should always be obeyed and honored. Some parents are really shitty parents.
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  262. Nazar, demonstrate that any of this is actually true, or it's a very poor warning.
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  263. Cool, how do you know literally any of that actually happened? The only source you have is an ancient book of myths.
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  264. If you started a cult, would you demand unquestioning belief and adherence? Because that seems like a pretty logical thing for a cult to demand. But if you actually were an all-powerful being, I feel like the most efficient way of convincing people of that would be to do some amazing supernatural impossible stuff.
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  265. Geologists disagree with you about the flood, as does the fact that Egypt and China were thriving when the world was supposedly entirely submerged in water. And the 2019 thing is meant to prove what exactly? Because all it seems to demonstrate to me is the success of the cult of Christianity. And if it doesn't make sense until you turn off your brain and just decide to believe, then you shouldn't believe it.
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  266. Just because it's written down doesn't mean it happened.
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  267. You can keep making assertions, but that's all they'll be.
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  268. Whatever makes you feel better.
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  269. Tell that to a King Henry VIII.
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  270. Sin and immorality are two entirely different things.
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  271. Who is this meant to convince exactly? I literally do not believe that a god exists. "Please don't turn away!" isn't going to make me start.
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  272. @Çaesar I comment on all sorts of videos. I do find theism to be a fascinating concept though. It's wild to me that people can believe in such a thing without demonstrable evidence, and even hold completely abhorrent and irrational views on fellow human beings as a result of said belief.
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  273.  @JESUSLOVESYOU219  Religion leads to confusion and danger. Gay people are fine.
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  274.  @JESUSLOVESYOU219  Your religion isn't special, it's another religion. You see it as seperate from religion because you're in it.
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  275.  @JESUSLOVESYOU219  Yeah, I'm aware that that's what you believe. Doesn't make it true though. And doesn't mean there's anything actually wrong with being gay.
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  276. Sexuality is not a lifestyle, and hell is not real.
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  277. How is that for sure?
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  278. Hell ain't real
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  279. The homophobic Christians don't understand morality.
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  280. What is it with you guys and ending statements with "period"
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  281.  @lin1507  But no one chooses who they're attracted to.
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  282. If you talk to an imaginary friend long enough, you'll start to believe they're real.
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  283. @Christian Weidmann "Those who practice sorcery?" Lmao what the fuck
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  284. If the bible says it's wrong to be gay, that's just evidence that it's not a good guide for morality.
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  285. Because being gay is not a choice and doesn't hurt anyone.
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  286. You're mistaken. And if whether or not something is "right" isn't based on morality, what are you basing it on?
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  287. What leads you to the conclusion that it's morally wrong?
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  288. Do you really think blindly following an ancient document is a good way to arrive at conclusions of right and wrong?
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  289. So you believe it's morally wrong to be gay because you believe in the Adam and Eve myth, and because of a really contrived analogy with the trinity? There is just so much I have a problem with here, wow.
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  290. Sure it is. Because the morality of any action is not measured by what an ancient book says about it, but by the consequences of said action. For example, entering into a consenting romantic and sexual relationship with an adult of the same gender hurts no one, and as such, is amoral. Demanding that gay people stay celibate, on the other hand, will make it harder for them to be happy, making it immoral.
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  291. No, because while you may attain happiness from being racist, the racism is detrimental towards the groups you're racist against.
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  292. I'm not attacking anyone. Just pointing out that it's okay to be gay. And the next time YouTube recommends me a video where a bunch of Jewish or Muslim people say being gay is bad I'll call them out too.
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  293. Dunno, I've seen plenty of self-described gay Christians. Should I take your word over theirs that they're Christians? I don't really care about religious purity.
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  294. Wow, this God character sounds like a huge jerk.
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  295. You said you had doubts because you want to make sure you're following Jesus properly, but have you never doubted whether Jesus, heaven and hell, and the Christian god are actually real?
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  296. Figuring stuff out with our brain has been proven to be pretty reliable. It's the reason we're able to communicate over vast distances like this. If some claim requires that you "become like a child", they're essentially saying you should refrain from any kind of critical thinking. Why would you do that?
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  297. Sounds like a great reason to abandon the bible for something better.
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  298. Why is entry to heaven decided by willingness to believe claims that haven't met their burden of proof?
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  299.  @kaylee1769  If your response to someone saying "I'm gay" is "well nobody's perfect", that's still homophobic.
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  300. Yeah they should though
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  301. No, just someone of the totally radical opinion that gay people should be free to have relationships and get married.
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  302. I'm not aware of any of your replies to my comments. And I'm just correcting your incorrect views.
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  303. The views that being gay means you should arbitrarily stay celibate, don't get married, and never be able to raise children of your own, just because an ancient book says so.
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  304. No. Are you about to tell me that my non-Christianity makes my opinion invalid? Because I would disagree.
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  305. I'm not saying anything about what is and isn't sin. Sin is an entirely religious concept, and is quite meaningless to me. I simply abhor homophobia and I think any expression of it should be met with criticism. Particularly these views of "I don't hate them, I just think they shouldn't be happy" are quite prevalent attempts at divorcing anti-LGBTQ+ religious views from their stigma, and I think that stigma is right where it belongs.
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  306. What do you mean by "force-feeding"?
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  307. I'm just giving criticism for what I consider either unsubstantiated beliefs, or morally abhorrent views. I realize they're unlikely to change anyone's mind, but I still find it important to criticize these religious beliefs, especially when those beliefs cause them to discriminate against people of a certain sexuality.
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  308. It's not a lifestyle, because people don't choose to be LGBTQ+. It's a collection of romantic attractions, sexual orientations, and gender identities that deviate from the majority. And I really can't imagine a decent reason to not support it.
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  309. Being gay is not wrong. Being a homophobe, on the other hand, is.
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  310. How do you know that's a reliable way? Have you ever seen it work?
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  311. Is there anything that you can't believe on the basis of faith?
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  312. Good, I hope they keep watering it down until there's no harmful beliefs left.
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  313. Can I ask you what ended up convincing you?
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  314. Making out with someone of the same gender hurts no one. Why would it be a bad thing?
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  315. And she's a worse person for it.
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  316.  @jhonsmith3056  Mine of course. I'm the one saying she's a worse person aren't I?
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  317. "hAtE tHe SiN nOt ThE sInNeR" is like saying "I don't hate black people, I just hate that they're black".
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  318. You're the one who needs to educate herself, Princess Judah.
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  319. What choices are you referring to? Entering a romantic relationship with someone of the same gender? Getting married to them? Why wouldn't you support these things? Just because a book says so?
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  320. What about instrumental music?
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  321. You "don't support their choice"? What choice is that exactly?
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  322. I mean it'd be bad for them. But it wouldn't necessarily be morally wrong. It'd be morally wrong if one coerced the other into hurting themselves.
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  323. Well I reject that Christian POV because they're not describing morality but preference. Specifically their god's preference.
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  324. News flash for you: there is no god. You're being homophobic because a bunch of bronze age people told you to be.
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  325. My parents made me.
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  326. Then why not just call it love?
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  327. You're right, Christianity has changed into something (more) accepting. Why would you want to reverse that?
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  328. You just explained why the reformed, accepting version of Christianity is superior. Religion exists for humans, not the other way around.
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  329. Yup, I'm completely irreligious. Hence why I care more about a religion's morality than how accurate it is to an ancient book. Also, traditions that are harmful should absolutely be changed, if not abandoned outright.
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  330. What's sad is to see people using ancient writings to discriminate against their fellow humans.
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  331. Depends on what they're stealing, from who, and why. In the case of two gay people who love each other though, there's no victim. Can't really compare the two.
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  332. No, you don't understand. When someone steals, there's a victim in the sense that someone has their stuff taken. That's not the case with a gay person just being who they are. And what do you mean that it "says a lot"? I said it requires on the circumstances. Are you saying you can't think of a situation where stealing would be okay?
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  333. Gay people don't need to "control their thoughts and actions" when it comes to forming healthy, loving relationships with people of the same gender. If you want all your blabbering about "sin" to have any meaning whatsoever, show that your god even exists in the first place.
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  334. Yeah, no, you don't get to make a little "don't discriminate, you guys!" speech while also implying that gay people need to force themselves to be celibate or incur God's wrath.
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  335. What exactly does "not supporting the lgbtq" mean?
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  336. What's there to hate about it?
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  337. Asking a gay person to abandon their partner and be celibate is a ridiculous demand. Especially coming from someone who doesn't demonstrably exist.
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  338.  @mollyambass7231  If.
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  339.  @mollyambass7231  Definitely if. Theism has never been demonstrated to be true, let alone your specific religion. Which makes it even weirder to disregard the entire world in favor of it.
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  340. How do you have a relationship witj someone who is completely invisible and undetectable, and as far as I know died like 2000 years ago? Might as well ask me to befriend Napoleon Bonaparte.
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  341. Why is losing faith a bad thing?
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  342.  @rilakkumabby  "Not supporting it" is still homophobic, irrational, and harmful.
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  343.  @josiet199  Hell isn't real though.
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  344.  IssyFishyy  Literally more deaths than 9/11 every day now in the US And maybe the US government needs to rethink how it spends its money if it can't afford to shut some stuff down to save lives
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  345. Do you know why you don't feel the need to openly identify as heterosexual? Because it's the default. People are assumed to be straight and cisgender until there's evidence showing otherwise. LGBTQ+ pride is about existing as openly as straight people do. About not giving into shaming and violence.
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  346. Why would I want to do that?
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  347. Wait, why is that the biggest one and not something actually harmful like murder or rape? Is god just really thin-skinned?
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  348. Is there, though?
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  349. There's no love in your comment.
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  350. How do you "not agree with" someone's sexuality?
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  351. You know, about half of all people are born as women. But I'm a good believer. I don't hate women, I just hate womanhood. And any woman can get down on her knees and ask for forgiveness for being a woman! That's how this sounds.
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  352. Sure there is.
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  353. What determines if they're okay is whether or not they cause harm. Molesting children causes harm, being in a consenting relationship with someone of the same gender does not. It's pretty simple.
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  354. Ok
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  355. So you read about an all-powerful being destroying two cities and all the people in it, because it contained LGBTQ+ people, and you think that's the good guy?
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  356. Why would I believe that, though?
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  357. No, I mean, what justification is there to accept that belief?
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  358. Is percieved beauty indicative of design?
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  359. We know trucks are made because we know that humans make them. Not because of percieved complexity.
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  360. Garbage morals.
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  361.  @m_q802  There's literally nothing wrong with "acting on it".
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