Comments by "Maksie0" (@Maksie0) on "Rich vs Poor: Is the Economy Rigged? | Middle Ground" video.

  1.  @TheChamp531  Yes it was. He's a bad person.
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  2.  @betrayql9226  Bad guys playing a bad system.
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  3. Shoes are the new avocado toast
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  4.  @bingtothebong-z4j  No it's not. Morality and legality are separate things.
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  5. ​ @betrayql9226  Investing in real estate is already a disgustingly harmful way to "make money", considering you're essentially being a PS5 scalper but for something that people actually need, which is a roof over their heads. It's people like that who contributed to the housing crisis. And to then greedily refuse to pay taxes for the systems that you benefit from and that other people who are less well off benefit from is completely revolting.
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  6.  @betrayql9226  Some crimes are harmless and some completely legal things are very harmful.
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  7.  @betrayql9226  You say that like it's just an unavoidable fact of the universe. But over the last decades, real estate prices have gone way up. In 1970 the median house price was around $23,000. Today it's over $400,000. What we have here is something that people need being used by wealthy people to make themselves wealthier, while ordinary people can't afford to buy a home and are forced to be taken advantage of by a landlord. It doesn't actually need to be this way.
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  8. If that's your takeaway, you weren't listening.
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  9. I found a loophole in your security system, broke into your house and took everything that wasn't nailed down. I'm not a bad guy, I'm just being smart to earn a little extra!
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  10. Yes, hoarding wealth is bad.
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  11. They always talk about "the risk", but do you know what these rich people are ultimately risking? They're risking becoming like us.
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  12. As they should be
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  13. Not enough.
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  14. "Why do you care if billionaires love having money bonfires while others struggle to keep a roof over their heads and feed their families? You're probably just jealous lmao"
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  15.  @Islander05  It's crazy how I can come back to this comment section a month later and here you still are, still licking capitalist boot.
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  16.  @betrayql9226  Pretty sure he's a real estate investor and not a real estate agent.
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  17. "JuSt GoOgLe HoW tO gEt RiCh BrO"
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  18.  @vynonhaze  Defending the broken system that is capitalism will not do you any favors.
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  19. It's literally impossible to become a billionaire by working your ass off. That kind of wealth can only be hoarded through profiting off the labor of others.
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  20. Nah, they should listen to him.
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  21. We should all take issue with capitalism.
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  22. I am begging you to find a better role model.
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  23. It makes no sense for a healthy society to let a tiny amount of people hoard gargantuan amounts of wealth while others don't have enough. It's better to prioritize health, housing, and education for all than to allow rich people to keep getting richer and richer.
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  24. Rich: Sees money as a game. Poor: Sees money as necessary for survival. Rich: Uses money to make more money while contributing very little to society, or even being a detriment to it in the case of being a landlord for example. Poor: Uses money to live.
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  25.  @islbeats9764  If a job simply doesn't pay enough then we can't reasonably expect someone to work that job, even "temporarily".
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  26. No, they didn't work for it. That's the whole problem with capitalism. It allows people to gain wealth through the labor of others.
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  27. You're explaining how what billionaires do is legal, but that has nothing to do with the morality of it. "Passive income" will always just mean that because someone already has wealth, they can simply take money that others work for. Whether through a business they profit from or real estate they rent out. And all it does is make the wealthy wealthier and the poor poorer. What's the point of having this bizarre game where some people own seven houses and go to space for fun, and some people juggle multiple degrading low paying jobs to pay their rent? It doesn't need to work like that.
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  28. Taking it from them is necessary.
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  29. Nobody "works their way up to being a billionaire". Such a gargantuan amount of money can only be hoarded through the exploitation of others, it's literally impossible to work for that.
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  30. In order to make more and more money, others have to work hard for you. That's how that works. That's how the divide keeps growing.
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  31.  @nelsona3468  How is it "obviously fair" that having money is rewarded more than actual labor?
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  32.  @sashahorsthuis6909  You are engaging in Capitalist Realism, talking as though the only options are wealthy individualy privately owning a business and profiting off the labor of its employees, or there being no jobs. Let go of the assumption that a workplace needs to be privately owned. Goods can be created without the goal of making a profit for a private owner. We can see this being done today through worker cooperatives, in which a business is owned and managed by the people that work there.
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  33. Ah, of course. The path to a happy life is to devote your entire existence to capitalism until either your body or your mind breaks. Great idea.
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  34. When you're poor, failure is devastating and threatens your basic necessities. When you're already wealthy, taking the risk and failing is a minor setback. The rich have a much easier time getting richer.
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  35. There is no amount of work that one person can do in a lifetime that would earn them a billion dollars.
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  36. It's sad to see people regurgitating this "mindset" phrase all the time and ignoring the material realities causing the ever-growing wealth divide.
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  37. Cool, you made it out of poverty. That doesn't say anything about other people's ability to get out of poverty. This is survivorship bias.
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  38. No they didn't though. That's the whole point.
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  39. Yes, and that exploitation is bad. That's the point. It shouldn't be that way. The system needs to change.
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  40. Andrew Tate was destroyed by a teenage girl.
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  41. People need to get into the communist mindset. Work should be rewarded, not ownership.
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  42. Yes
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  43. Why?
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  44.  @fadli_1577  I asked someone else why they hated it, and capitalism is failing before our very eyes. At least, depending on what you think capitalism ought to succeed at, because it's been very effective at concentrating a gargantuan amount of wealth into the hands of the very few.
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  45. Which is survivorship bias. It's like saying your cancer went into remission on its own, therefore no one needs chemotherapy. They dismiss their own luck and privilege.
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  46. No, that's the problem. It's not their hard work. There is no amount of labor one person can perform that would earn them a billion dollars. Such a gargantuan amount of wealth can only be hoarded through exploiting the labor of others.
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  47.  @TrinitySlaps  Because again, they're not working for those billions. Other people are. They own businesses where other people perform labor and they get money from the labor of those people. It's why once you're wealthy, you can just keep becoming wealthier and wealthier and wealthier, because other people work for your money. Most of the richest people in the world started off with plenty of money and privilege, and turned that into an unimaginable amount of money through the exploitation of others.
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  48. It's not that going to space is inherently bad. But launching something into space just for a frivolous joyride for the ultra-wealthy is just wasteful, and the idea of colonizing Mars frankly just sounds unrealistic outside of the far future. And while that future is still far away we would be better served preserving the livable environment we have right now rather than trying to live in an entirely hostile one on another planet.
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  49. Fast forward even more and he doesn't end up buying it after all, as expected
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  50. Capitalists want the wealth that others worked for without working for it.
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  51. Yeah, it's sad seeing all these people so indoctrinated by capitalism.
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  52. The rich have no business hoarding wealth that others worked for.
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  53. "You get paid for what you do" is not how capitalism works.
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  54.  @thomasl4992  Well capitalism doesn't just reward work. Its main characteristic is that it rewards ownership, because it allows for the private ownership of the means of production. So if you're already wealthy and you own a business or real estate that someone's renting, you are now getting paid for what others do. That's what I meant.
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  55. Or it's because after rich people have "lost it all" they still have more to bounce back from in terms of money, assets, and opportunities than poor people do. And yes, some rich people come from poor backgrounds. But guess what? Most of them didn't. Looking at statistics tells you more than looking at individual examples and anecdotes.
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  56. But enough about landlords.
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  57. If anything there's not enough of them
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  58. No offense but being able to lift yourself out of poverty by becoming a tool for American imperialism is not exactly an inspiring story.
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  59. Marxism is the solution.
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  60. Disney is nothing without labor. If there's no one to animate, to act, to write, to wear character costumes and sell churros at their parks, they have nothing.
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  61.  @betrayql9226  Nobody "works for billions". That's the point.
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  62.  @betrayql9226  You're delusional. Elon Musk didn't get ridiculously wealthy by just working hard. He was born to wealthy parents and went straight into business. His wealth comes not from working but from owning businesses in which those below him do the work.
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  63.  @betrayql9226  Do you think they were personally mining for emeralds in there?
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  64.  @betrayql9226  It's truly sad to see people defending the exploitation of the working class.
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  65.  @Islander05  You depress me, John.
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  66. I just rolled my eyes so hard I think I may have sustained permanent damage to my optic nerves. Always with this "BUT YOU CHOSE TO SIGN A CONTRACT SO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN!!!" nonsense, as if that somehow precludes exploitation.
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  67.  @firehunters9628  Depends. Is the price fair? Are there alternatives? Do you need the car in order to go to work? If you live in an area with very few public transportation options and you need a car, that could be something that leads them to signing a bad deal simply because the alternative is worse.
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  68. You think billionaires work for their money lmao
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  69. You've got it backwards. It's because of the hard work and clever thinking of countless workers that billionaires were able to hoard such gargantuan amounts of wealth.
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  70. David was the best one.
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  71. We should all hold hatred in our hearts for the exploitation of the working class for the purpose of hoarding wealth.
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  72. We need more Davids, rather than capitalism apologists like you.
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  73. Poverty isn't something that just exists by default. As a species we can decide to end it, or at the very least to reduce it as much as possible, we simply haven't. And the bitterness will change something if the bitterness translates to action. In Minecraft.
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  74. Absolutely incorrect.
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  75.  @Islander05  You're making this abstract on purpose. Would it be immoral to "study rules that are available for anyone and everyone to review" so that you can murder someone without being charged for it?
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  76.  @Islander05  If there was some kind of legal loophole where you could murder someone and legally not be in any trouble, would it be ethical to use that?
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  77. You have it backwards. If we didn't do the work, they wouldn't be billionaires.
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  78. No more billionaires.
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  79. Not quite accurate. Some people work multiple jobs to make ends meet. Some people go through a long daily commute because they can't afford to live closer to work. Some people have to take care of a family and a home while others can hire help.
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  80. Why's that?
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  81. That's the thing though. No one works their way to being a billionaire. There is no amount of money that one person can do that would get them a billion dollars. That money can only be hoarded through the labor of others. So a billionaire giving their wealth to the less fortunate isn't just charity. In a very real sense, it's returning what was taken from them.
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  82. No, people don't in fact all have the same opportunities.
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  83.  @Tanya-ij9yt  It's immoral to use vast amounts of wealth for personal vanity or to just accumulate even more wealth when people's needs are going unmet. Especially when poverty plays a role in concentrating that much wealth in the hands of the few. And what I think David meant there is that he's not seeing billionaires taking care of society. When billionaires donate it can of course be something very constructive and helpful. But it can also be a means to pay fewer taxes. Or in worst cases, they can donate their money to think tanks and media corporations that push a more right-wing and capitalistic worldview in order to shape a society in which they can continue to hoard wealth.
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  84. Rich people don't get there themselves. That's the whole point.
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  85. Or maybe the EMTs should get more too?
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  86.  @islbeats9764  Immigrants shouldn't get enough money to support a family on?
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  87. Yet.
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  88. Wait, so does it take hard work, or does it take having a bunch of money and investing it?
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  89.  @Sophicx  A lot of people didn't!
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  90. Are you saying adopting a basic subsistence lifestyle and investing in speculative digital currencies is some sort of universal cure for poverty? When you make money by investing into something like that, someone else is always left holding the bag. You were lucky enough to come away with more than you put in. But this will never be a solution for everyone, just for a lucky few, by how it inherently works. Not to mention that you can't expect people to just forego all luxuries just to try and escape poverty, people will always want nice things to make them feel better for a little bit. Depriving yourself of that completely is bad for your mental health. When not being poor requires that you jump through a bunch of ridiculous hoops, telling everyone how you jumped through the hoops can only do so much. What'll really help is when we all take down the hoops.
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  91.  @Bookiemouncher  You can't justify living in misery just because some people are living in more misery. Escaping poverty shouldn't require living a pleasureless life so you can gamble what you do have. People shouldn't be in poverty for simply existing.
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  92. You know that it's physically impossible to pick yourself up by your bootstraps, right? That's why that saying exists in the first place.
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  93.  @Islander05  Why? It's not going to be you.
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  94.  @Islander05  So you're just pro-inequality because you like it when people are unhappy?
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  95.  @Islander05  How many people do you think have the money to buy a brand new car lmao
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  96.  @Islander05  Literally everyone I know who owns a car has it second hand, myself included. I think you're out of touch with the working class.
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  97. So that others can use it... to make the investor more money. You see the problem? It just results in the person with money getting more money through the labor of others.
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  98.  @Paul-ks7nx  Because that means the workers worked for money that they didn't get.
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  99.  @Islander05  That paycheck does not represent the full value of their labor. That's the issue.
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  100.  @Islander05  Thank you for pointing out how capitalism's interests are not in line with those of the working class.
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  101.  @Islander05  This is what capitalist realism does to your brain. You start thinking like the only reason to ever do anything is to amass wealth. A grocery store exists so that people can buy food to eat. In a society where grocery stores don't serve the purpose of making a CEO very rich, they would still serve that purpose, because people would still need food.
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  102.  @Islander05  Yes, they are. Please take the boot out of your mouth.
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  103.  @Paul-ks7nx  Which is why we shouldn't have a system where the means of production are privately owned in the first place.
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  104.  @Islander05  John, are you a billionaire? You defend capitalism as if your livelihood depended on it. If not, I should let you know that statistically, it's extremely unlikely you'll ever truly profit from a system that's designed to exploit the working class. You must have really developed a taste for the Kool Aid, so to speak.
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  105. Capitalism
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  106. Capitalism
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  107.  @hi-il7ug  Why do you think innovation would never happen without private individuals being able to own the means of production?
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  108. Nice to see a fellow anti-capitalist
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  109.  @grizz19769  Hold on though, now you're contradicting yourself. What if someone decides that their path to success requires having other people do the work for them for less money than the labor is worth? They would've obtained success at any cost, but they'll have wealth they didn't work for.
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  110. You mean the people whose labor they exploit?
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  111. "No, stop dismantling capitalism, I'm almost finished going from exploited to exploiter! It's my turn!"
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  112. "hmm you criticize capitalism yet you have a job"
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  113. We need more working class bitterness. Maybe something'll actually change then.
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  114. Why's that?
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  115. I'm sure workers would happily take on the risk if it meant they got paid the full value of their labor.
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  116.  @rusty_grove  And don't resources don't mean a goddamn thing without workers doing the actual labor.
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  117. Another scammer thread, typical.
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  118. It's not stealing if you're taking it back.
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  119.  @MikeGemi  Billionaires didn't work for their billions, other people did.
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  120.  @MikeGemi  There is no job in existence that pays enough to make you a millionaire, that kind of wealth can only be hoarded through the labor of others. Innovation can be very profitable, sure, but billionaires do not innovate alone, if they even innovate at all. All they need to do is own the company that the innovators work for.
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  121.  @MikeGemi  My mistake, I meant to say billionaire. And yes, people working under them are being paid, but less than their labor is worth. That's the point. The billionaires are taking that for themselves.
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  122. Why should billionaires exist? What benefit is brought to society by one person hoarding such a gargantuan amount of wealth?
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  123.  @ThatAverageMTBer  Billionaires create nothing, the people working for them do.
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  124.  @ThatAverageMTBer  He wasn't a billionaire.
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  125.  @ThatAverageMTBer  I agree, poor people shouldn't exist, we should give them money so they're not poor anymore.
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  126.  @ThatAverageMTBer  Prove it. Prove that that happens. Because what we see over and over is that poverty is demotivating and paralyzing. And that once people are out of that poverty, they don't just stop doing things with their lives, they start properly living happy lives where they're doing what they want to be doing instead of just trying to keep their heads above water.
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  127.  @ThatAverageMTBer  I'm saying he wasn't then.
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  128. Dollars don't work. Other people are doing the work.
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  129. Kinda does if you're a wealthy person. Contribute to society.
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  130. Let's try it then.
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  131. Why should one person be able to hoard billions of dollars that others are working for?
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  132.  @Karamelaki  Yes, you're describing how things currently work under capitalism. I'm saying they shouldn't work that way. Work should be rewarded, just owning something should not.
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  133.  @Islander05  Again, you shouldn't be rewarded just for owning.
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  134.  @Islander05  You're literally just describing owning a business.
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  135.  @Islander05  People should get to own stuff. Just not the means of production.
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  136. Sooner or later you're going to find out that your enemy isn't "lazy poor people", but greedy wealthy people.
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  137. What's wrong with society is that people like you are defending an economic system that exploits them.
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  138.  @universeoz2028  Feelings
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  139. He is. Deal with it.
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  140. We need more people like him.
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  141.  @gracewatson2007  That doesn't mean they worked for those billions. Most likely, other people worked for it.
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  142. Automation is only a problem in a system that requires everyone under it to work or starve
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  143. We absolutely can overcome this reality!
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  144. Even worse then. Just hoarding gargantuan amounts of wealth at the expense of others.
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  145.  @feliciasisk494  Do you think there's any amount of labor someone could perform themselves to make them a billionaire? No, that amount of wealth can only be hoarded by taking value from the labor of others.
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  146. The root cause of all poor vs rich problems is the fact that the wealthy exploit the working class for personal gain, and in doing so, hoard gargantuan amounts of wealth that others then go without. There is no rational reason why any one person should ever be even close to being a billionaire.
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  147. It's a rich person's job to take from everyone else.
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  148. You have it backwards.
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  149. Love the rich all you want, they'll still see you as a peasant to be exploited for profit.
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  150. More mindlessly regurgitated "victim mentality" nonsense. The meritocracy you think you live in is a fantasy.
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  151.  @jerseyguy198  "Exploitation has always existed so it should continue to exist" is what you're basically saying. No, I'm not lazy, I don't want a handout. It's simply that this system of private ownership and profit above all else needs to go. In my country there's a housing crisis and countless young people simply can't find an affordable home. Because nowadays houses are seen more as something to buy and sell or generate income from as a landlord rather than something for people to live in. In your example, having a phone is not a simple luxury, in today's society you're basically expected to have a phone and to be reachable there. But as you said, they're currently produced through exploitation. Underpaid laborers in atrocious working conditions making tech that's designed to be replaced every few years with a newer model. But why does it necessarily need to be that way? Exploitation is a choice, not a natural state of things.
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  152.  @jerseyguy198  Currently, yes. But it's not how it's always worked and not how it always will.
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  153. I think it's time for more people to start hating the rich. Get some class consciousness going.
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  154. Why should there be a "game" that decides whether you live in poverty or not?
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  155. Incorrect. Others work for their money. That's how capitalism works.
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  156. Who do you think has greater opportunity to lobby to change laws in their favor? Wealthy business owners, or working class people?
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  157. How do you figure?
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  158. Does a house exist if it doesn't have a landlord to charge people every month to live inside it?
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  159.  @Islander05  Oh, they did that all by themselves, did they? Jeff Bezos ran Amazon by himself, delivered all the packages, coded the website, vacuumed the office, etc?
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  160. "Oh you hate slavery? Well why don't you become a slave owner who treats his slaves well then?"
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  161.  @marlonmoncrieffe0728  The competitive nature of capitalism means that people often have to push others down in order to lift themselves up.
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  162.  @marlonmoncrieffe0728  No you don't. Companies cut corners all the time. The need for profit means they'll always offer the worst they can get away with. And I'm not just talking about competition between businesses. Profit requires exploitation. Owners of both businesses and housing take money that others worked for, simply by virtue of owning the business they work at or the house or apartment they live in. And because of that, the divide between wealthy and poor will keep on growing. They keep rising higher and the rest of us keep sinking deeper.
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  163.  @marlonmoncrieffe0728  Sure, maintaining is. I've got nothing against being a handyman. What I'm against is the private ownership of the means of production, and housing being used as a means to make money at the detriment to people who just need a roof over their heads.
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  164. ​ @marlonmoncrieffe0728  Under our current system? The parasite who owns the property. Doesn't have to be that way, of course. Risk? All the employer risks is becoming like one of the workers. And the detriment is a situation like we find ourselves in today, where rent is extremely high, owning a home as a young person is a pipe dream for all but the luckiest of us, while homes sit empty because foreign investors have deemed it the most profitable route. I hope this isn't a controversial opinion, but the reason we have houses is so that people can have a home. A place to sleep, to take shelter from the elements, to keep their various belongings, raise their families, live their lives. How have we gotten to a point where that has become secondary to them being a way for rich people to make themselves even richer?
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  165. You're describing capitalists.
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  166. Based anti-capitalist constitution
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  167. I would like to see Andrew Tate back in a prison cell
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  168.  @JeffPesos514  Rich people seem to think they're entitled to other people's money, the way they profit from other people's labor and sometimes even use tax dollars to bail out their bankrupt businesses.
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  169.  @Islander05  I know that's how capitalism works. It's why I'm against it.
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  170.  @fadli_1577  I don't see why the private ownership of the means of production is something we necessarily have to keep around.
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  171.  @fadli_1577  That still means that workers are working to create profit for people who simply own their workplace. I would be more in favor of worker ownership.
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  172.  @themoreyouknowfools4974  What does that even mean?
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  173.  @themoreyouknowfools4974  You're conflating communism with authoritarianism. They can go together, and unfortunately they have in the past, but they don't necessarily have to.
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  174. "Elon Musk worked hard" LMAO
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  175. But billionaires don't earn every penny they have. There's no amount of work one person can do to earn a billion dollars.
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  176.  @chic0latin0  It's not the billionaire creating the things though, it's the workers. But they're not the ones becoming billionaires.
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  177.  @Islander05  But they're not working for it. They're just owning it. Others are doing the work.
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  178.  @Islander05  And it's bad that it works like that. Because it just means the rich keep getting richer.
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  179.  @Islander05  Why not share the benefits and the hits of owning a business between the people who actually work there?
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  180.  @Islander05  I know worker co-ops already exist. I'm saying they should exist exclusively. Rewarding wealthy people with more wealth has proven to be awful for society.
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  181.  @Islander05  Why should people be free to exploit others? There's a reason slavery is no longer legal. How does society benefit from the wealthy getting wealthier and the poor getting poorer?
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  182.  @chic0latin0  You can point to individual examples of exceptions but generally the wealthy keep accumulating more and more wealth while the poor keep getting poorer. This data on this is pretty easy to find.
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  183. The fish?
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  184. "vIcTiM mEnTaLiTy"
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  185. You think billionaires work for their billions? 😂
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  186.  @bw2937  What job pays billions of dollars?
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  187. Meanwhile, a Canadian study has shown that, when 50 homeless people were given $7500 each and told to do whatever they want with it, they did not spend it on useless things or drugs, but were instead able to get themselves to a stable housing situation much quicker.
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  188. @Islander05  They said "no matter how much money you give a poor person, they will be poor". And that is not the case.
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  189. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
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  190. Billionaires are not creating value in society or solving problems, they're hoarding gargantuan amounts of wealth from the working class and spending it on their own comfort and vanity projects.
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  191.  @Islander05  Your point being?
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  192. The problem is that once you're rich, you can outsource the sacrifice.
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  193. Sitting on your butt and taking other people's money is living the CEO lifestyle baybee
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  194. These scams are getting more and more transparent.
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  195. How do you feel about inheritance?
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  196.  @krummyraider5421  They sure didn't work for it though.
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  197.  @Islander05  Yes, you've made it quite clear that you love the taste of billionaire boot.
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  198. How's that boot taste?
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  199. Statistically it's incredibly unlikely.
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  200.  @Islander05  You again? Really?
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  201. This is an insane thing to expect people to do.
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  202. Considering the other comments I've seen from you it makes so much sense that you're anti-education lmao
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  203. You're thinking of a capitalist
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  204. More people should have the same goal. To not want to get rich, but to want everyone to have enough. That's so much more important.
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  205. That doesn't seem moral.
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  206. Why?
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  207.  @zig8925  You act as if this "game" is a fact of the universe. We made it up, and we can take it down. The allocations of resources that people to live should not be decided by any "game" in which people with wealth exploit those without.
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  208. Those companies can be owned by their workers. It's not about what you get by feasting on the rich. It's about them not being around anymore to leech off of the workers.
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  209.  @helloitsme4139  Cool. Then they can build those up when the big ones collapse.
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  210.  @helloitsme4139  Because we would've stolen and redistributed the wealth of the wealthiest 500 people, remember?
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  211.  @Islander05  👍
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  212. Why do you aspire to be really rich?
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  213.  @Islander05  I have to ask at this point, why the double exclamation point at the end of literally every sentence? It's like you're trying deliberately to come across as unhinged.
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  214. You can't make the argument that Mush is "supporting families" when he's actively preventing a union from forming in his company.
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  215. Why do you have no problem with people making money by owning? That's labor that others work for that they take the profit from.
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  216.  @Islander05  Who are you again?
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  217. As we all should
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  218. Maybe what gets funded should be the result of some kind of democratic process and not the whims of whoever's hoarded the most wealth?
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  219. There's supposed to be a part of your life where you're not making enough money to survive?
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  220.  @marlonmoncrieffe0728  Because no amount of work can earn someone a billion dollars. That kind of wealth can only be taken from the labor of others. The existence of billionaires can only exist through exploitation.
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  221. The game was rigged from the start.
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  222.  @95v85  Defending capitalism as a non- wealthy person is a weak mentality. You're never going to be a billionaire, so why defend how they exploit the working class?
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  223. That's not a person spending billions of dollars, it's a business or government entity. The obvious point is that for a person buying things for themselves, a billion dollars is a ludicrously gargantuan amount. Those kinds of resources are for projects that benefit everyone, not for indulging in a single person's whims. And going to space just for fun isn't a great achievement. We're not achieving anything other than the wealthiest people on the planet having fun at everyone else's expense. That's not a new development at all.
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  224.  @Islander05  Why are you such an incurable bootlicker?
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  225. It's the wealthy who are leeches.
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  226.  @Islander05  "I wanted to improve the world but I don't see the point if I can't have 10 million dollars instead of just 1 million dollars"
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  227. "Hard work" lmao, certainly not their own
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  228. Working class people
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  229.  @rogeramezquita5685  You're acting like houses would stop existing if there were no landlords. Do you think we didn't have the concept of a job before we had capitalism?
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  230.  @gamemode6526  Really? Damn, and here I am commenting for free like a chump.
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  231. @Dolores D I think this might be one of the strangest takes on billionaires I've ever read. We need billionaires so they can... fight against foreign billionaires?
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  232.  @Islander05  People should be able to hoard such gargantuan amounts of resources for no reason? Why?
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  233.  @Islander05  And why do you feel that way?
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  234.  @Islander05  Of course it's our business. One person hoarding gargantuan amounts of wealth comes at everyone else's expense. That money comes from the working class, after all, they're the ones working for it. It's so bizarre the way you keep coming here to defend the ultra-wealthy. Do you hold the delusional belief that you'll one day be one of them? Or do you just love the taste of capitalist boot?
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  235. We can literally end the game if we work together. The world doesn't have to be this way, where a tiny group of people hoard half of the world's wealth and homes are seen as investments instead of things we need in order to live.
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  236. It's the other way around. The wealthy have nothing without working class people to exploit.
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  237.  @juanitaniangjohnson6504  But we are entitled to the wealth that the ultra-wealthy have hoarded. After all, they did not work for it themselves, the working class did. Capitalism allows the rich to own the means of production and as a results make more money simply by owning something. This can only result in the ever-growing divide between rich and poor that we see today.
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  238.  @Islander05  Here's a cool idea. What if the workers owned the means of production?
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  239.  @juanitaniangjohnson6504  I am not talking legal rights here, I'm talking moral ones. The ultra wealthy didn't work for their wealth, the people working for them did. Under a fair and just system they would get the full value of their labor.
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  240.  @Islander05  Why do you never answer my questions about why you defend the rich so eagerly?
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  241.  @Islander05  John, they're literally working with the corrupt government! How do you think lobbying works?
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  242. And why should he alone own a company worth billions?
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  243.  @CaliMeatWagon  Is it moronic to question the status quo? Why should the means of production be privately owned by someone who takes the profit that the workers actually work for?
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  244.  @CaliMeatWagon  The only thing an owner risks is becoming a worker.
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  245.  @Islander05  The owner makes money from owning, not from working.
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  246. Lmao
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  247. You think capitalism is when you get what you work for? That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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  248. How would that change his mind? I feel like that would just make him more anti-capitalist if anything.
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  249. Why are you defending billionaires? It's not like you'll ever be one. If you're against people making money unethically, you should be against billionaires, because there's no way to ethically hoard such a gargantuan amount of wealth. There's no amount of work a person can do to earn a billion dollars. It can only be taken through the labor of others.
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  250. Maybe there shouldn't be investors and private business owners?
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  251. Damn I wonder what's causing earth to become less habitable, maybe we should do something about it instead of preparing to move to an inhospitable world with no breathable atmosphere
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  252. Have more like him.
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  253. Three jobs? So basically a person should sacrifice their physical and mental health and basically just all of their time in order to not be in poverty.
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  254. You're really going to argue that Bezos's 10-minute flight was "furthering the scientific method"?
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  255. "What do you mean I'm a bad person for burglarizing your house? I simply educated myself on your house's security system and used that knowledge in a way that was beneficial to my own well being."
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  256.  @Islander05  Legality and morality are not the same
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  257.  @devinfan3448  I agree, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing. Plenty of things that are moral are illegal, and plenty of things that are immoral are legal.
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  258. Rich people should be attacked.
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  259. He lived under capitalism.
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  260. You can't be a billionaire without exploiting the labor of others. Why is exploiting others something that belongs in a free society? Should we not make sure that everyone lives free from exploitation?
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  261.  @A7mby  Just take your pick, you really can't do much worse.
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  262. Billionaires hoard wealth.
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  263.  @karenmaher2092  Billionaires did not, in fact, earn their billions. Other people, working class people, worked for it.
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  264.  @karenmaher2092  Jobs can exist without capitalists being involved. Just look at worker co-ops.
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  265.  @tacobell1365  The simple fact is that wealthy private individuals have an infinitely easier amount of time putting in the starting capital than a group of workers. Co-ops are better for workers and for wealth equity than traditional businesses but under the system of capitalism they still have to compete with said businesses. And the rift between rich and poor has had such a long time to grow that it is now hard to reduce.
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  266.  @Juliet-o4j  Why should billionaires exist? Why should any person have such a gargantuan amount of wealth?
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  267. Compared to a normal person's wealth that's like buying someone a cup of coffee. And it doesn't make up for the gargantuan amount of wealth they've hoarded.
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  268.  @Islander05  I give to charity, John. I don't have millions, so I can't give millions. But people who have hoarded billions of dollars giving a few million to charity doesn't make up for what they've taken. Especially considering with that kind of money they could absolutely wipe out major issues. Imagine the housing development that could be done to do something about homelessness for example. But that's not what they want to do, of course.
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  269.  @Islander05  Do you realize how much a billion dollars is? Can you really justify hoarding that much money, money that others worked for as no one can work for that much money alone, and only giving a handful of it back to society?
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  270.  @Islander05  I want billionaires to not exist.
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  271. You literally cannot become a billionaire without exploiting the labor of others. There is no amount of work that one person can do that would earn them a billion dollars.
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  272. I hope he can figure out how to change the world. "The game" leaves no room for ethics because profit is everything.
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  273. I am begging you to find another role model
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  274. Things can be legal and also immoral.
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  275. What you pejoratively call "oppression mindset" I prefer to call "class consciousness".
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  276.  @montage1926  Not one that keeps you there but one that recognizes why things are the way they are, instead of blaming all wealth inequality on a "poor mindset" or laziness or whatever.
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  277. If you don't like working hard and having other people get the wealth generated by that labor, you're gonna hate this thing called capitalism
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  278. Why?
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  279.  @majestyiv2086  And the rich deserve all the money they have?
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  280.  @recapv7615  Who said I'm American?
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  281. No they aren't. They're nothing without workers.
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  282.  @RichardFitzwell-n3s  Stop licking the boots of those who leech wealth from the labor of others.
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  283.  @bw2937 People in this comment section could really use some more class consciousness.
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  284. You're not entitled to someone else's money? Tell that to the ultra-wealthy who hoard wealth that others work for.
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  285.  @0doublezero0  Billionaires
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  286.  @Islander05  As long as there's people who don't have enough, yeah, the people with way more than they need are the problem.
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  287. I sincerely believe that billionaires are less human than ordinary people. When you hoard that much wealth, you lose some part of your humanity.
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  288.  @liamthomas3666  What if everyone works hard enough?
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  289. Why?
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  290. Remove the game.
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  291. The more money you have, the less you have to work for it.
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  292.  @kval7494  Isn't it? When you think of truly wealthy people, people who have billions, they didn't actually work for that money. Other people worked for that money. All the wealthy person did was own businesses that other people work at. That's the part that's not fair. They don't deserve the money that someone else worked for.
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  293.  @kval7494  What seems like a weird way to think to me is that a few people just get to hoard gargantuan amounts of resources while others starve. Why? Because we arbitrarily decided at one point that that's "fair"? Is it, really? How is society helped by one person having ten billion dollars?
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  294.  @Islander05  Work should be rewarded. Having money should not.
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  295. Your hatred is misplaced.
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  296.  @mario_rafael8534  You don't agree with that? Why?
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  297.  @mario_rafael8534  Amazon warehouse employees are infamously poorly treated and their attempts at unionization has been met with hostile opposition. Billionaires are not special people that simply appear and shower their wealth on those around them. They're sociopaths who have found a way to hoard massive amounts of wealth from the labor of others. There is no benefit to society from one person hoarding such incredibly gargantuan amounts of wealth, especially when so many others are in poverty.
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  298.  @lAM3zKNY  But they didn't.
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  299. Helping others and hoarding massive amounts of wealth are very difficult things to balance.
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  300. You're delusional if you think the rich are where they are because they work harder than working class people.
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  301. Seems to me like he understands capitalism just fine, and that's why he's against it.
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  302.  @NoneYa-pg6dk  Here's the cool part though. If everyone who wears mascot costumes gets together in this thing called a union, they can demand to be paid a living wage for their work!
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  303. Don't forget to factor in luck, opportunity, and the willingness to exploit others.
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  304.  @Islander05  Not necessarily. But when you look at the truly wealthy, those who have hoarded billions, that kind of wealth can only exist through the exploitations of others. In order for them to have more, others must have less. That's the nature of capitalism.
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  305. "Durr if you don't like the exploitation of workers then why don't you start exploiting workers and then stop"
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  306. Jeff Bezos taking a little space joyride does nothing for scientific progress. And the idea of colonizing a planet like Mars is not something that we can get anywhere near at our current level of technology. That effort would be better spent preserving the planet that we can currently survive on.
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  307. Those who work harder deserve higher reward. By saying taking risks deserves higher reward you ignore the fact that the rich will always be getting even richer because they simply have money to risk that poor people do not.
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  308. Cool
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  309.  @natethetoe386  What service? The houses already exist, they're just buying them and having other people pay more to live there. They're essentially housing scalpers.
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