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Comments by "Maksie0" (@Maksie0) on "Death Penalty u0026 Anti Death Penalty: Is There Middle Ground? | Middle Ground" video.

So you agree that being pro-death penalty is largely based on emotion.
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People who commit crimes, even violent ones, are still people. Killing them or treating them like dirt won't solve anything, it only makes the rest of us more inhumane too.
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And what if you convict the wrong person?
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@loosecannonball7926 You don't think maybe a lower crime rate has something to do with how they treat their prisoners? Do you think maybe that putting criminals in a hostile, miserable environment with other criminals and not bothering to try and rehabilitate them makes them likely to do crime again when they get out?
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Which leaves the whole world blind and eating nothing but soup.
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Why are you acting like the only alternative to the death penalty is criminals just going free?
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Prison shouldn't be about making people suffer either.
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@jazzy8330 I don't think it's about what people deserve. Does making someone's existence miserable actually do anything for society that just restricting their freedoms doesn't?
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American police is "too nice"??? What, you want them to shoot more innocent civilians? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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The punishment is that their freedom is taken away.
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@chaithanya5427 It's not about making them suffer, that has no overall benefit for society. The point is to seperate them from society at large and potentially rehabilitate them. In the US the penal system has absolutely failed at these goals however (in typical capitalist fashion they'd prefer to use prisons to make financial profit) so I can see why some might think that the point is to make inmates' lives miserable.
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Why should they get the death penalty?
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@youngkriss8572 Data doesn't support the notion that the death penalty deters crime to any substantial degree.
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Killing someone isn't moral if they deserve it, it's moral if it prevents harm or makes people's lives better in some way. In the case of a murderer, it's enough if they're imprisoned, separated from society and not hurting anyone anymore. Killing them wouldn't solve anything, except maybe sate some sort of urge for revenge.
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Someone can still be falsely convicted for a rape they didn't commit.
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Lesbian versus gay? What is there to disagree about there?
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It's not about whether or not they deserve to die. The penal system doesn't exist to give people what they deserve, but to rehabilitate offenders if possible, and separate them from society if not. What good does killing a serial killer do?
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Why do you think that the purpose of the penal system should be to inflict suffering? How does that benefit society?
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Laws should be based on what's best for society, not on the emotions of grief-stricken victims of violence.
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Okay, someone gets convicted for a rape they didn't commit and now you've burned an innocent person to death.
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@loosecannonball7926 Insanity? People who commit crimes aren't necessarily insane. But when you don't make an effort to rehabilitate people who commit crimes, they're likely to commit more. Sounds like you're more focused on some notion of vengeance and making people suffer whom you feel "deserve it" rather than actually getting better outcomes like a lower crime rate.
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@florida_sucks I meant which wealthy people, but that's on me for not being specific with my question.
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I was responding to Meezus, should've clarified, sorry!
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Can't think of a more asinine and misanthropic reason for the death penalty than "it's cheaper".
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@lalibelardo1706 So then who kills the executioner who kills people because they killed someone?
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Why?
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Cool, so what happens when an innocent person is framed for a crime and is chemically tortured to death?
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Cool. So a murder happens, a suspect is arrested, tried, convicted, and subsequently executed. Only a few years later new evidence comes to light showing he couldn't have done it. What do you do then?
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For your crimes, you will now be given the immortality serum!
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What if someone's falsely convicted of rape?
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@TheDave159 One deals with aborting a fetus that lacks any self-awareness, the other deals with killing a person. They're not the same thing.
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In my experience it mostly seems the pro-death penalty crowd that mainly argues based on feelings. Talking about which people "deserve death", when giving people what they deserve isn't the penal system's job in the first place.
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And why do the consequences have to be death?
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Sounds like an emotional argument.
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Well that's why prisons should do a better job at rehabilitating their prisoners.
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Difference is that the woman who killed her husband is still going to jail for it.
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Why do they need to die?
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You come home one day to find a dead body in your living room and a gun on the ground. Stunned and not thinking straight, you pick up the gun. Based on your lack of an alibi and your fingerprints on the gun, you're convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Six years later, new evidence is discovered showing definitively that someone else committed the murder. You are already dead.
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No matter how unlikely the scenario seems, people do get falsely convicted and falsely executed.
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That's just because prisons in the US are horrible overcrowded hellholes.
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Why do inmates need to suffer? I thought the idea of prison was to separate them from society and restrict their freedom as punishment.
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The death penalty is absolutely not needed.
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Zig Zag, what if someone's falsely convicted?
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"Killing someone is ALWAYS bad! Let's kill people who kill people."
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Executing people costs plenty in taxpayer money too. And do you really think the government should be able to execute people for financial reasons?
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Spending less on prisoners could be done by preventing criminal behavior, which is influenced by a multitude of issues. We can't just murder people because the money could be spent elsewhere. After executing inmates to save money, what's next? Killing the poor?
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Criminals are zombies?
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Why do you think the state should be able to murder people?
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I imagine if anyone is against death penalty it'd be Jesus lmao
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@daniel_3221 And yet, false convictions can and do happen.
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@milonga_ How is the death penalty required to save lives? Like what does it do to protect people what imprisonment doesn't?
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@vasudhabhandari8431 So we as a society should be killing people out of frugality now?
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@vasudhabhandari8431 The justice system doesn't exist for revenge or to save tax money by killing people we don't like.
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@vasudhabhandari8431 For the prevention of crime and the rehabilitation of criminals of course.
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@vasudhabhandari8431 Whatever answer I give to that is gonna be based on emotion. I think policy on how we treat criminals should be based on facts, not feelings.
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Mr. Vic it doesn't really matter what they deserve though.
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People committing crime again after getting out of prison shows how much the penal system is flawed. Because rather than rehabilitating inmates and preparing them for a proper life outside, they spend months or years in close proximity to other hardened criminals and are then spat out with nothing. Only logical that they'd turn back to what they know out of desperation.
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What if you take the wrong person's eye?
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Why is the death penalty necessary? Why not just imprison them?
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Gary, what does that matter? We don't punish people based on the wishes of the victim, we punish based on what works best to produce a safer society.
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You realize that's gonna result in innocent people being castrated and killed. False convictions happen.
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Who kills the executioner?
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If all lives are equal, and a murder should be punished by death, are you saying we should kill the relative of the victim as well?
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Because it doesn't solve anything.
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So you're against killing fetuses but for killing people?
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Why?
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Look at this one. So desperate to be the victim.
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Then who's gonna execute the executioner?
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Why? I thought killers didn't deserve to live.
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So then we shouldn't execute people.
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Prison shouldn't be torture and lynhcings though. If that's what they're like then they need to be reformed.
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@paintedblack09 Treason? Should a state be able to end someone's life for going against their interests?
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What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Argument from emotion.
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IssyFishyy You would have people killed for your religious beliefs. How utterly disturbing.
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Should the government be able to decide to end lives if it's cheaper for them?
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The justice system, first and foremost, exists for rehabilitation. Even if someone is in prison for life, we don't have the right to end the life of someone who isn't currently posing a threat. And if someone is falsely accused of a crime and executed, there's no way to repair that mistake. Forcing an innocent person to serve time is bad enough, but killing them is inhuman and should never happen.
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It's keeping said person away from society at large. Not just anyone gets life in prison, they generally get it for particularly heinous and violent criminal behavior, prompting them to be seperated from potential victims. In that sense, life in prison is beneficial to society. What is not beneficial to society, is executing said person. It's simply unnecessary to take a life when imprisoning them does the same thing, but without inflicting death.
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I'm anti-death penalty and pro-choice, because an embryo isn't a person.
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Yeah, that organism isn't a person until its brain has developed more. I can't pinpoint a specific moment because there's no one point where you go from 0% self awareness to 100% self awareness, but an embryo has none of it and then between a late stage fetus and a two year old infant it gradually increases. For this reason I don't see how aborting a zygote or an embryo is any worse than the death of a sperm cell that didn't quite make it to the egg, or died in a paper towel.
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@trueking1857 What if someone is falsely convicted for the murder of a child?
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@elaus1541 Well if you put legislation in place that people who are convicted for child rape are sentenced to death, you have to accept the risk of executing innocent people who were falsely convicted.
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@nicolerodil2057 Prison escapes are extremely rare.
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Maybe if you have shitty prisons.
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But you can stop someone from being a threat to society by simply incarcerating them. Killing them is unnecessary, removes the possibility of rehabilitation, and introduces the possibility of killing falsely convicted innocent people.
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Slavery is bad
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@Dark-Bit They'll still be a very cheap labor source, which incentivises the prison industrial complex to lobby for more prison sentences. Why do you think the US has more inmates than literally any other country?
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@Dark-Bit No for-profit prisons, focusing on rehabilitation as much as possible in prisons, investment in crime prevention through things like better mental health initiatives and social safety nets, and treating drug addiction like a medical issue instead of a criminal one.
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But if you believe in heaven, don't you then also believe that people who never subscribe to your religious beliefs will be in hell forever? Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
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@Valcey777 What if I never do anything so horrible but never convert to Christianity? Punishment World as well?
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Private property over life, what a disgusting notion.
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@giuffre714 Based prison abolitionist
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@giuffre714 I just admire your opposition to the injustice of prison
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How is that even remotely reformative? And what about false convictions?
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What country is that?
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What if someone is falsely convicted for a horrible crime?
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@ghfferzd9242 You're never going to create a situation where no false convictions ever happen, and even one innocent person being put to death is too many.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Fetuses aren't people yet.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Personhood is a question of philosophy really, not science. But to say that as soon as conception has taken place there's a person seems to me completely arbitrary and inaccurate. It's not DNA that makes a person, it's a mind, the ability to perceive and feel, to think. A fetus generally doesn't have those yet, especially in the early stages when the vast majority of abortions are performed.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Don't know!
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Again, personhood is a question of philosophy, and something that is alive is not necessarily a person.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 A fetus, of course.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 An offspring from a mammal in early stages of prenatal development.
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A fetus isn't a person. A criminal is.
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Sounds like you're one of them.
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Why do they need to die?
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Zeus will grant you his boon if you bring an offering to his temple! Kneel and worship his glory, so that your soul might make it into Elysium!
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Then, by that same logic, do you also not deserve life?
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But apparently you're willing to end those of others. Or at least in favor of having them ended.
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Maybe I don't.
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Why does it matter what people deserve, though?
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...makes the whole world blind.
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@user-ly3st7pz7n Footage can be altered. Witnesses can lie. DNA evidence can be planted. Suspects can be coerced. It's never 100%.
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Yikes!
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Why?
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It doesn't actually solve anything, and it can lead to falsely convicted people being killed by the state.
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And those who are falsely convicted for those crimes. You okay with that?
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@Immortal0Witch Nice to know you're cool with innocent people swinging from a rope by the neck.
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@Immortal0Witch People do get falsely convicted, and just one innocent person murdered by the state is too many.
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What's that supposed to mean?
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This is the most disgusting argument to me. Killing people to save a few bucks.
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Is it ok for a government to murder a woman because she murdered her husband?
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Why does hair dye upset certain people so much?
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If they can't be rehabilitated, let them live in prison for the rest of their lives. Killing them isn't necessary.
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The justice system is not there for us to "attain a sense of justice". It's there to prevent crime, to separate dangerous individuals from society, and if possible, to rehabilitate. To have a system where victims of a crime can choose to have the defendant killed is completely asinine, as it would largely be based on emotion.
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Is murder ever justified?
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Does a justified murder still deserve to be punished by death? And if so, who will kill the executioners?
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I always find this argument so odd, basically your whole goal is to maximize cruelty and suffering, why? Like I get that you feel a strong hatred for people who cause immense harm, I do too, but how does it benefit society to inflict harm back onto them?
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What's the rest of that "eye for an eye" saying?
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Death penalty for treason sounds like some North Korea shenanigans.
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You can't say "most killers don't have remorse" and then list the two most infamous serial killers lmao
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Convicts are people, embryos aren't. Pretty simple.
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@flipf615 Which ones?
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A felon is a person, a fetus is not.
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What a bizarre notion. What is the point of just inflicting suffering on people? What does that do for society?
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I don't support it for two major reasons: - It's unnecessary to take someone's life when imprisoning them already separates them from the rest of society. - Mistakes can be made, and when an innocent person is executed for a crime they didn't commit, that can't be reversed.
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So anyone who breaks the law should be dehumanized? That's disgusting.
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The justice system exists to penalize individuals who break the law, and if necessary, separate them from society and if possible rehabilitate them. It is not there for revenge, that helps absolutely no one.
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Unfortunately, resurrection magic doesn't exist.
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"Aw man, keeping this person alive sure is expensive. It'd be a heck of a lot cheaper to put a bullet in 'em."
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"Those people"? You mean women?
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Yes, because terrorists will stop doing terrorism if they might die as a result...
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Wrong topic.
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They should be separated from society, absolutely. But why should they be killed?
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Well if you take that logic further, does the executioner who kills the wife also deserve the death penalty?
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Why miserable conditions? The punishment is having their freedom revoked, they should keep their humanity.
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Okay, that makes more sense then.
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No, it's not.
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So because you don't want taxes to pay for their basic needs, they should die?
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Then how can we ever have the death penalty? The executioner will be beyond redemption after the first day on the job.
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Why?
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@@MKUltraVictim-sw5qs That's a different question.
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@@MKUltraVictim-sw5qs Well why would it ever be necessary?
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@@MKUltraVictim-sw5qs Of course, I'm not arguing for not arresting and convicting people who abuse children. I'm asking why it's necessary that the punishment is death. Not why it's deserved, mind you, why it's necessary.
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It's an interesting thing to think about, though. Is killing someone acceptable when there's moral justification? Or when it's legally endorsed by the government? I wish the pro-death penalty had gotten into that aspect of it more.
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Why?
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They can be prevented from doing crime again by imprisoning them.
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What's the purpose of a government torturing people to death?
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No gods get to decide that either.
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Taking another life won't bring back a lost life either.
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Why? What does executing them solve?
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By who? And does their life then get taken as well? Et cetera?
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@sw309 That's still immoral, the justice system doesn't exist so people can take revenge
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It sounds like you're not in favor of a justice system, but a revenge system.
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Seems pretty horrible to want to murder someone out of a sense of frugality of all things.
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@jacrispy8802 Not the victim's family, but all of society. And we do that so that people who pose a threat to others can be seperated from the rest of society.
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@jacrispy8802 Who said anything about torture?
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