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1:35-- BS not a new tax or 66% tax. It is an INCLUSION RATE. To explain (high level) how it works:
Currently Person A earns $100K a year in income (wages, salary, sell of goods or services). 100% of that income is fully taxable. The tax rate is about 33% so Person A pays about $33K a year in taxes ($100K times by 33%)
Person B earns the same $100K a year however they earn it from Capital Gains (buy an asset at low price and sell it higher price). The INCLUSION RATE is 50% which means person B is allowed to deduct 50% of their income and only pay taxes on 50% of their income. At the same tax rate of 33% Person B only pays $16,500 (100K minus 50K or 50%= 50K times by 33%)
Person B pays half of what Person A pays even though they earn the same amount. How is that fair?
What the changes does is Person A remains the same- nothing changes because their income is not capital gains and they pay $33K a year in taxes
The change is to the INCLUSION RATE that Person B is allowed to deduct from their income. Person B can now only deduct 34% of their income (100 minus 66) instead of 50% so now they pay $21,780 (100K times 66% equals 66K that they claim as income times by 33% tax rate= $21,780)
Person B after the change to the inclusion rate STILL PAYS LESS then Person A. Which is still unfair but at least they are starting to pay more of their fair share.
High income earners like doctors, lawyers, skilled laborers, business owners etc etc ARE NOT EFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE because their income is through wages or salary or the sale of a good or service ALL OF WHICH ARE FULLY TAXABLE sources of income
Only extremely rich people are effected by this and it is time they start to pay their fair share.
Also NOTE- my example is on $100K to be more accurate this only applies to Capital Gains over $245K it doesn't even effect the first $100K
In order to earn more than $245K a year in Capital Gains you need to have around $3M invested with an average rate of return at 8%. The average Canadian does not have $3M a year invested each and every year and don't make 8% each and every year. Only very rich people have this type of money to invest. The rest of Canadians need their money to pay for food, rent, mortgage etc.
THIS WILL NOT EFFECT 95% of Canadians. IT IS TIME RICH PEOPLE PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE
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1- yes I know about the Pacific Mall. It was not in this video. You can argue that the Pacific Mall is not a good use of land space either. So what? A tower takes up a much smaller footprint. And with the homeless problem in Toronto it is not very feasible to buy or appropriate that much land. There is not that much land in the downtown core. But as I already stated in my original comment if we have space to build 10 towers on a small parcel of land one of those towers could easily be used for homeless people. It would be more feasible. We both want the same thing...a place for homeless people but building something like the Pacific Mall downtown is not feasible. Much easier to build tall buildings or towers.
2- I never said the Pacific Mall is the kind of space that should be given to shelters. As I already told you if you look up the Seaton house and Toronto Homeless shelter system the actually square footage to house homeless people is rather large. It would be comparable to the size of the Pacific Mall. Again you don't seem to understand how big the homeless shelter system is because it is spread across several buildings throughout the down town core and into the suburbs. It has been a bit of time since I have been in all the buildings but from what I remember:
Seaton house for men was about 3 floors (maybe four) each floor was comparable in size to a small walmart or canadian tire store (like the walmart at Markham and Eglinton or canadian tire Markham and Lawrence) so that building by itself was I would estimate maybe 120,000 square feet.
There is another building close in size the Seaton house for men but used for women. It was a bit smaller. Maybe 80,000 sqft
There is another one for old men near Kingston Rd and Warden I would estimate around 5,000 sqft
There is also another one for abused women and children in the downtown core near Seaton house I would estimate 5,000 sqft
There is another one for men trying to reenter society and another one for women trying to reenter society. I would estimate each of those at about 10,00 sqft each total 20,000 sqft
There is another one for families in an old converted motel on Kingston Rd near Galloway that is three or four levels high I would estimate at 40K sqft
There is another one near Kingston Rd and Bellemy in that is also an old converted motel. Estimate 10K sqft.
Total 280,000 sqft.
Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. And those are just the ones run by the city of Toronto. There are a few other shelters I cannot remember and also lots of shelters run through charity organizations and churches
Compare that to the Pacific Mall that is 270,00 sqft.
3- building a tower doesn't take many many years. If you ever go down town (or pretty much anywhere in Toronto) you can see condo towers going up in about 2 years. I know there is more time involved in the planning stages but homelessness and low income familes has been in existence forever and it is not going away so it will still be needed in a few years also. The longer we delay the longer it takes to build. If we start now we will have it sooner
Also building a large warehouse type structure like a mall would take just as long and cost the same. The only difference between your "mall warehouse" and a tower is towers are built up into the air and take less space vs a warehouse that is built out to the sides on the ground and need more land....so what's your point?
4- "security guards can easily patrol the area"-- with proper security- guards, cameras etc anything can be patrolled and monitored properly. Without proper security or the wrong people any building can be a risk also....so what? It has nothing to do with the type of building
5- "f we do separate people then we're not doing it well enough"--- again you clearly haven't looked up Seaton house. The entire toronto homeless system is designed to separate people based on their needs. Criminal minded men should not be with abused women and families. Old men get and women get beaten up by the young men so we have separate houses for them. etc. There are different houses for each situation. Look it up.
6- "there's still so many people living on the streets"-- because homlessness is a complex issue. There are various reasons why people are still on the street. Just one argument alone is the condition of the shelters. Again try looking it up and going into the Seaton house.....not far off from prison. I cannot even begin to describe the smell.
But your comment is not completely relevant anyway. The topic was low income families using condos instead of living in low income buildings.
7- "the system were working well then there should be almost no one on the streets except for the hardcore idiots"
The system is working. There are thousands of people with a roof over their head and food because of these shelters. Nobody has ever claimed that homelessness would magically disappear because of a shelter. It reduces the amount of people on the street. You are seeing things in absolutes- either all in or all out and nothing in between
If you don't think our system is working just look at places like skid row in LA and other areas in the US that don't have the same type of support.
8- "What a world we live in where saying you don't want to accept everyone from around the world into your country with virtually no limits is considered 'racist/xenophobic/discriminatory' etc."
That is not what was said. Your comment implies that all immigrants don't work and will be in homeless shelters. That is far from the case. We have screening processes and most immigrants don't end up in homeless shelters. Again it is clear you have never been in homeless shelters. I have....it is a wide range of people in there and most are Canadian- not immigrants
It is racist to believe that immigrants are the reason we have homelessness and to believe they will be the only ones that end up there.
9- "this common sense to stopping the world from demanding and pushing their way into Canada we have idiots like you crying racism."
We do stop people from coming in. We have an entire immigration process. As a Canada that understands the rest of the world I welcome immigrants into our country- they are a benefit to our country and most are grateful for the opportunity we give them. I am not "crying" racism. I am pointing out your racism because you seem to be suggesting all our problems in our country are due to immigrants.
10- "Except what you're saying is incorrect and wouldn't happen in the real world because any new inventory freed up by moving people to newly built 'affordable housing', those freed up units would still go at a very high price"
Clearly you don't understand basic economics. I tried to explain it to you in the comment you replied too.
Building low cost housing creates more supply. More supply lowers prices until supply meets demand. Building one condo may do nothing to supply and demand. Build say two million low cost housing units that frees up 2 million condos it begins to have a different effect on pricing. Build say 200 million low cost housing units (as an extreme example) with only 38 million people in Canada that would pretty much crash the entire housing market across the entire country.
Learn basic supply and demand curves and basic economics.
11- "You say that lowering immigration levels is 'racist"-- I never said that. I said the your reasoning on why we should lower immigration is racist. Your assumption is all immigrants are lazy, don't work and will end up in homeless shelters so we should not allow them in. That is racist. All immigrants are not lazy, unemployed and in homeless shelters. If the example was reversed and we let in only high level doctors and scientists would you still say the same thing? These people would work and provide massive benefits to our country. If you don't believe it just look at the people we brought in after WW2. German scientists etc that advanced our technology, aviation etc. Not all immigrants are top level scientists however not all are lazy unemployed homeless people. Again you see things in extremes with nothing in between.
12- "you'll NEVER build enough for everyone"-- you absolutely can. But it is complex topic so for many reasons we don't. Again learn basic economics and while you are at it look into our system of govt.
13- "You're pro mass immigration"-- you have jumped to conclusions and are not even on topic anymore. The topic is low cost housing. You just seem to like being racist and blaming others for your perceived problems.
14- "this doesn't even include the environmental impact"-- that is a ironic hypocritical statement. I proposed a tall tower (40, 50 etc) tall tower that sits on a very small footprint. You are the one proposing massive warehouse style buildings that contribute to the urban sprawl and uses massive amounts of land
15- "fight that super serious issue of climate change"-- we do fight climate change. Again you are seeing things in extremes. You see it as either all pollution or none. The topic of climate change is a complex topic and open for different interpretations. Can we do more? yes. Are we doing too little? maybe but it doesn't mean we are doing nothing. Changes in building technics and technolgy has changed dramatically over the last hundred years. And it is constantly evolving. Building a tower today will be far more efficient then it was 50 years ago. and it will only continue to evolve.
15- "Canada is so messed up and is going downhill"
That is just your slanted twisted view based on your angry outlook on life. You want to blame others for your failures
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11- "unchecked mass immigration of people into a country"
Nobody has ever claimed this is happening. Again you are making a racist generalization that everyone is just showing up into our country. You seem to dim witted to understand we have Immigration laws and polices and everyone is screened before entering and living in Canada. Your hatred towards immigrants is blinding you from reality.
12- "you completely ignored the problem of increased resource usage, increased garbage output and increased carbon emissions"
I didn't ignore it all. I addressed it in the comment you reply too.
A- this is a completely irrelevant topic because the topic is low income housing not immigration and environment
B- your comment is completely irrelevant because increased garbage output and carbon emissions, plastics in oceans etc etc etc are a world wide problem. These people will produce environmental issues no matter where they live. They can live in their country and produce emissions or our country and produce emissions. It doesn't matter.....air doesn't stop at borders....emissions from any country can float or transition to any other country. It is irrelevant where they live because pollution will not stay only where they live
C- we do fight climate change and other environmental concerns. It is argumentative if we are doing to much or too little but we do fight climate change
D- if you are talking locally (like garbage) then that is not an immigration problem it is a recycling, large company, packaging, inefficient govt etc etc etc etc problem
Up to 95 to 97% of all consumer packaging can be recycled. There are numerous reasons why that doesn't happen and none of them are because of immigration
E- if you are talking about issues like sanitation, sewers, electricity etc. Then we do have sanitation plants, we do have an over abundance of fresh water, we do have roads and sewers etc. so going back to points above immigrants are productive provide taxes that can be used to expand these services
In fact we produce so much electricity in Canada that we have to pay the US to take it from us
But all this is irrelevant. The topic is low income families living in condos that should be sold to people looking to buy condos
13- "NO ONE has the courage to tackle the issue of immigrants"--"certain groups of people causing the vast majority of crime and violence"--"non-white people are causing the vast majority of crime, violence and other problems in our nation"
Oh how ironic your comments are. How stupid you look. On one hand you claim to not be racist but then go on to make racist comments that reconfirm what a racist pile of dog $hit you really are
I am actually putting several spaces between this comment and the others so it stands out to show what a racist pile of $hit you really are.
14- "So just to be clear you think that having a 50 story building where hundreds of individual units each having their own bathrooms, kitchens and heating equipment is MORE efficient and is less wasteful than having a warehouse building with one large common kitchen to feed hundreds of people"
People and families are not rats, or animals. People in low income housing have the same needs as you do. We already have thousands of low income housing units like this. Why are you so surprised. You don't seem to have a fu$cking clue how our system works. You should educate yourself before you keep crying about things.
15- "This isn't about 'all or nothing', this is about COMMON SENSE"-- yes you are right. But you don't seem to have any
16- "You can't hope to fight climate change, reduce resource usage and garbage output"
Go back and read point #12.
17- "Most people in general aren't very mindful of reducing waste and their carbon footprint already"-- exactly this is what I said in point #12. It is not an immigration problem it is an attitude or individual problem (along with many other factors). You agree people within our own country are wasteful yet you seem to blame immigrants. That is racist.
18- " MORE people who will also no care about reducing waste"
Who says immigrants don't care about the environment? That is just another racist assumption
As I stated immigrants are productive. It is immigrants that built this nation and it is immigrants that work in fields like science that are helping to find solutions to environmental problems
Also as I already stated environmental problems are world wide so there are people of all racists, backgrounds and skin colours finding solutions in countries around the world to environmental problems. You seem to think only white people in Canada care about the environment and are the only ones trying to find solutions. That is pretty racist.
Overall you are way off topic. The topic was moving people out of condos into low cost housing so it gives more opportunity for people that can buy condos the opportunity to buy condos (i.e. create more supply to fill demand and reduce prices). Instead you went way off topic into racist little rants.
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