Comments by "" (@asgaiyawaya3973) on "China Expands Crackdown Against Christians, Muslims" video.

  1. I lived in Asia for 6 years this is not propaganda I have witnessed this.
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  2. Then why is it everytime an atheist took charge of a country, Robespierre Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc., it lead to blood shed? True peace seeks unity not control. Or as the Bible puts it " blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God" Matthew 5:8 whenever atheist takes charge he doesn't seek unity he seeks control and assimilation. What's the difference between the two? Unity brings people together and maintains their uniqueness assimilation seeks to make everyone like, or agreeable, to itself. Didn't it strike you as odd that there are in fact a lot of pro atheist groups that are quite violent and Christianity has only a handful at any given time? For you to be right shouldn't the reverse of that be true? To quote Lewis Carol " curiouser and curiouser."
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  3. If that were true then why is it every atheist led government, starting with the Vladimir Lenin, within the past century has always led to blood shed, tyranny, and well just disaster in general. Just the body count alone is higher than any religious led blood shed, you might be thinking of, combined. I happen to know because I did the math. The bloodiest it ever got, arguably, was the crusades and historians are not 100% sure how many died but typically depending on who you ask it's going to be anywhere between 2-5 million people the cultural revolution in China by comparison is estimated between 200,000 to 20 million people. And the great leap forward was even bloodier that was between 15 and 50 million. See the difference? The crusades was a series of conflicts that lasted almost a century and a half and Chinese communist party under Mao Tsedung out did that one war within 20 years of it's own existence by more than 10 times that number. Care to restate that clearly BS statement?
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  4. Oh and in case you are going to make the argument that was one incident i mentioned? The fact that I said " the past century alone....." should clue you in that i know a lot more than that one so don't even go there unless you want to find out how much facts don't care about your feelings about religion.
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  5.  @khwmthagwranarzary9327  you say that as if the two are distinct concepts and I agree. But where we disagree is that religion, true religion, is intended to complement humanity. This goes back to the differences between unity and assimilation. The Bible favors unity because according to scripture a person's very being is sacred that's why God grants us free agency and will not violate that sacredness. Where true religion plays a role is that it gives direction and shows us what we do with it. That's why I say true religion because if you pay close attention then you should be putting religion on par with law. Religion teaches how one lives with humanity and law commands us to live with humanity. So in all actuality you have it backwards. You seem to think one learns to live by worshipping himself when law shows us nothing is further from the truth. If this were not true then prisons would not be filled with the selfish, the arrogant, and the narcissist, and fact if the matter is these are the most likely to commit crimes because they chose their own way.
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  6. So if a murderer kills, or rapes or steals for that matter, your neighbor would you say great job to that same man or woman?
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  7. Why?
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  8. For anyone wanting to use the Christianity is a White European religion argument this one's for you. Ok, first of according to both history and the Bible where was Jesus born? Doesn't it say Bethlehem? And where is Bethlehem isn't it in the Roman Province of Palestine? And where is Palestine isn't that in the Middle East? I guess that doesn't make it white European religion now does it? In fact wouldn't that make it an Asian religion adopted by Europeans? Look up the Greek word for East before saying no you will be surprised what it translates as. Did you translate it, yet? Mind-blowing isn't it? So here is your whole problem and where you went wrong. It comes right down to historical facts and actual biblical writing. So we got the obvious out of the way now the less obvious Christianity wasn't adopted into Europe, starting with Rome until the 3rd century under Constantine the 1st and even then it wasn't entirely and whole heartedly accepted. Among it's chief opponents were the Germanic and Celtic tribes who followed variations of polytheism much later in 800 the Vikings were next to make their stand against Christianity. Now I can go on about the wars this triggered but the punch line is calling the religion a white European religion is like calling communism a Chinese Philosophy. Just as communism was never a Chinese invention Christianity was never a white European religion. In fact it was one of the first religions that actually wanted to be non ethnocentric.
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  9.  @zoefofo7769  capitalism is built on the concept that you get what you put into it. If you work hard you get a lot if you choose to be lazy or you work but with no effort to excell then you get little. Communism maybe on paper is a distribution of wealth but in reality it's the opposite. The way Communism works is that the party reaps the rewards and the people, which looks like wealth distribution but isn't, gets the leftovers. Haven't you ever thought it odd that if it really was a distribution of wealth then why is it it's typically the party members who live like kings while the people of those same systems live in rundown buildings? But even if we laid that aside Communism is still a western ideology and not Chinese which i find hypocritical. In fact it was a Chinese philosophy, confucionism, that promoted Christianity and it was Buddhism, an Indian religion, which first began persecuting Christianity.
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  10. Destroying a culture how?
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  11. To Amita Don't forget Voltaire said the same thing and guess who bought his house and printing press? Moral of that short story check your facts because the actual facts, pew research study for instance, says the exact opposite.
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  12. Until you read Euthyphro.
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  13. 8 centuries before Christ was the prophet Isaiah who prophecied the coming of Christ, centuries before Christ was the prophet Elijah whom Christ referred to in his ministry, 500 years before Elijah was Moses whom Jesus also quoted from in regards to the law of Moses and 600 years before Moses was Abraham father of Isaac father of Jacob also called Israel. All of these are people highly revered by Christians so as you can see who came before Christ is irrelevant since Christian teaching is both from the new testament as well as the old testament and in the old we learn that God is a God of justice. A God that stands up for the oppressed and crushes the wicked and whose laws govern both the just and unjust.
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  14. Then why is it everytime an atheist took charge of a country, Robespierre Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc., it lead to blood shed? True peace seeks unity not control. Or as the Bible puts it " blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God" Matthew 5:8 whenever atheist takes charge he doesn't seek unity he seeks control and assimilation. What's the difference between the two? Unity brings people together and maintains their uniqueness assimilation seeks to make everyone like, or agreeable, to itself. Didn't it strike you as odd that there are in fact a lot of pro atheist groups that are quite violent and Christianity has only a handful at any given time? For you to be right shouldn't the reverse of that be true? To quote Lewis Carol " curiouser and curiouser."
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  15. To shaju If that were true then why is it every atheist led government, starting with the Vladimir Lenin, within the past century has always led to blood shed, tyranny, and well just disaster in general. Just the body count alone is higher than any religious led blood shed, you might be thinking of, combined. I happen to know because I did the math. The bloodiest it ever got, arguably, was the crusades and historians are not 100% sure how many died but typically depending on who you ask it's going to be anywhere between 2-5 million people the cultural revolution in China by comparison is estimated between 200,000 to 20 million people. And the great leap forward was even bloodier that was between 15 and 50 million. See the difference? The crusades was a series of conflicts that lasted almost a century and a half and Chinese communist party under Mao Tsedung out did that one war within 20 years of it's own existence by more than 10 times that number. Care to restate that clearly BS statement?
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  16.  @VincentIrkallaOfficial  You must be talking about yourself because that's not an argument and it definitely doesn't do anything to the fact. Simple fact is Atheists have proven to be more blood thirsty and brutal then any other regime where religion was a controlling force or if it was there but there was a clear seperation of Church and state. Since when do numbers lie?
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  17. Neither is communism but you don't seem to have a problem with that practice. Try again.
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  18.  @VincentIrkallaOfficial  And what about Chinese policies which forbid it's own citizens from even claiming their own minds and intellect and think only what the party agrees upon and kills them if they do otherwise? It fact doesn't it strike you as odd that despite what you say the biggest Murderer of the Chinese people is their own government?
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  19.  Vertiegrief  really? funny I live in the south and very close to a Jewish synagogue and that never happens. Oh so you now acknowledge that Muslims are far more likely to attack Jews then Christian’s. Thank you for acknowledging that. In my line of work that’s called backing into information. It’s what we look for when someone is lying. I am willing to bet you made up that whole notion about both north and South America? Which I assume you mean USA because South America is where Brazil Columbia and those countries are. But even if that were the case you still admitted Muslims are more likely to commit crimes against jews. And acknowledging apostate prophet, didn’t help your BS story change either because by doing that you acknowledged christians do defend Jews. So if their are Christians who defend Jews and Muslims are more likely to attack a Jew then a Christian and contrary to your BS there are no attacks on Jews in southern US, or I should say they rarely happen. Then your claim that Christians attack Jews is BS and the fact you backed into that information confirms that you deliberately tried to lie about it.
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  20. For your statement to be true society, which tends to desire religion, would have to be in constant conflict with authority constantly and universally and nothing is further from the truth. The answer why can be found in Psychology. All healthy respect for authority is dependent upon a healthy relationship at childhood with one's father. Dad establishes healthy respect for authority by being an authority over the household mom establishes healthy relationships between just people in general. In other words, it's a scientically proven fact that if you can't establish a healthy relationship even with friends or you cannot respect authority it's a good indicator something went wrong during childhood between mom and dad and you. What does this have to do with religion, or Christianity for that matter? Easy exodus 20:12 honor your father and mother. In fact the 10 commandments even Exodus through Deuteronomy establishes healthy relationship between people, society, family, law, and authority. So if religion is in constant conflict with authority then what's this doing in the Bible? Let me propose an alternative it's the opposite that's true in the case of China. It's authority creating conflict with religion? Why? What's the motive? Because Christianity is not a religion the CCP can control and it has this really bad habit, I suppose you can say, of creating perfectly content people who are arguably more moral due to a diety that is beyond the party's sphere of influence. And that is something the CCP chooses not to allow and is threatened by.
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  21. What do you mean by brainwashed?
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  22. Ok for all future Bible bashers trying to use the " Christianity promotes slavory argument" look up the slave bible first and the abolitionist christian movement first. Trust me I am helping you guys save face. Just don't even try to go there these are historical facts and raising the argument just pits you against a proven fact. Just drop that idea and move on to the next one you will be doing yourself a favor. Not like you have any arguments that work in your favor anyway.
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  23.  @khwmthagwranarzary9327  is good good enough though? You say that as if there is such a thing as subjective truth when both religions completely reject that idea and with good reason. Just take a look at truths that are impossible to deny like the sun being Yellow, obviously I am not talking philosophical ideas i am talking about ideas, things and places we have no choice but to accept. This is because Christianity is based in history and the Bible teaches us to test truth even to test religious leaders and their interpretations. So it's quite blatant that to the Christian just something being called good isn't good enough. This too goes back to the differences between unity and assimilation, a religion that seeks unity is more inclined to seek truth not a subjective truth but an objective truth. Assimilation however seeks to make everyone agree to it even if it's blatantly wrong. Hence, why you don't see too many violent groups associated with Christianity. Marxism and Islam however, no matter how peaceful they try to be, it has violent groups are all over the place or policies that go after anyone that will not be controlled by the state.
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  24. How so?
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  25. Oh you mean like what Hitler did in the Rhineland in 1937? I guess that makes you worse than Nazis now don’t it and we all know what happened to them now don’t we?
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  26. Why?
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  27. Don't forget Voltaire said the same thing and guess who bought his house and printing press? Moral of that short story check your facts because the actual facts, pew research study for instance, says the exact opposite.
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  28.  @VincentIrkallaOfficial  you might want to look up the pew research studies on Christianity first before saying that.
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  29. @JOSUE TORREZLUIZAGA and that changes the fact I know what goes on in China how exactly?
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  30. @JOSUE TORREZLUIZAGA for that assertion to be correct however I would have to be completely isolated from all sources, for lack of a better word, of knowledge of China. Except besides internet I do have firsthand knowledge of China. Making your assertion even if accurate still false. What makes it false is you do not take into account the fact the evidence comes in 2 forms. These are direct, which are eyewitness statements, and indirect which is everything else. I had learned of many of China's illicit and even illegal activities through coworkers who escaped China's persecutions i have also learned of China's illegal dealings throughout Asia in illegal trades such as human trafficking and organ harvesting. Yes, i am aware of these dealings. I learned about them through both direct and indirect evidence. This just further proves your statement is false. Living in Asia is enough to make my original statement true.
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  31.  @haragopal1  oh btw in case you are going to say the Bible contains contradictory messages or some Richard Dawkins quote like this. If that much was true Slave owners would not be threatened by the full version of the Bible. In fact it shows that these scriptures did in fact challenge slavory as an accepted practice because they were frequently used by the Christian Abolitionist movement by members and important figures such as William Wilberforce, and Frederick Douglas. So Don't even bother going there.
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  32. How so?
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  33. To Fomo For your statement to be true society, which tends to desire religion, would have to be in constant conflict with authority constantly and universally and nothing is further from the truth. The answer why can be found in Psychology. All healthy respect for authority is dependent upon a healthy relationship at childhood with one's father. Dad establishes healthy respect for authority by being an authority over the household mom establishes healthy relationships between just people in general. In other words, it's a scientically proven fact that if you can't establish a healthy relationship even with friends or you cannot respect authority it's a good indicator something went wrong during childhood between mom and dad and you. What does this have to do with religion, or Christianity for that matter? Easy exodus 20:12 honor your father and mother. In fact the 10 commandments even Exodus through Deuteronomy establishes healthy relationship between people, society, family, law, and authority. So if religion is in constant conflict with authority then what's this doing in the Bible? Let me propose an alternative it's the opposite that's true in the case of China. It's authority creating conflict with religion? Why? What's the motive? Because Christianity is not a religion the CCP can control and it has this really bad habit, I suppose you can say, of creating perfectly content people who are arguably more moral due to a diety that is beyond the party's sphere of influence. And that is something the CCP chooses not to allow and is threatened by.
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  34. So if it is so much against western ideas, concepts, or although paradoxical Christianity then why doesn't it reject communism which derives from the German philosopher Marx?
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  35. Except, and I am assuming you are Chinese correct me if I am wrong, didn't your ancestors for the longest time worship an all powerful God named Shang-ti and to some degree there are still worshippers of this diety? And wasn't this belief originally monotheistic? Here is my point how do you know that what your ancestors worshipped isn't the same God worshipped by Christians? Keep in mind the God of Christianity created the world and the universe, the Prime Mover to use the language of Aristotle? I think even if you were to say no, and you are entitled to that opinion, you couldn't guarantee with any degree of certainty that it isn't true.
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  36. You know I couldn't help but notice the comments cheering the ccp for their efforts against the church but can't really say anything when asked to justify their comment. Except one I have to credit to who gave it a try. It was really a good conversation but the only flaw in his argument was that he ran into what logic refers to as the law of noncontradiction which refers to using standards to attack a standard in his case he was trying to virtue signal by saying that in the Bible God ordered the conquest of certain countries, in doing so calling upon justice upon God. Except he did so without reading everything about that conquest namely what prompted it. According to scripture the canaanites were guilty of sexual immorality, which is further clarified by Greek historian Herodatus and what the Bible is talking about is what could be best described as ritualistic rape, incest and prostitution which extended even to children, they were also guilty of child murder, Herodutus again clarifies that the canaanites worshipped an idol named Moloch which had these huge hands over a fire and on these hands would be placed babies some no older than 2. While these kids would be literally cooked alive there would drums that would be beaten so the kids parents couldn't hear their own child's painful screams as it's roasted alive. So essentially God was placing judgment on a nation of rapists, child molesters, and child murderers whom in most criminal justice systems today would receive the death penalty. So essentially we both agreed that there was a need for justice when someone commits such crimes but where we disagreed on was was God an offender or was he acting justly. If we take both scripture and history into account God's actions were justified. My opponent didn't want to agree to this for what seemed to be 2 reasons. 1. To take this into account exonerates God and 2. He preferred a black and white view of justice when justice in actual practice is hardly black and white. Look up the differences between justifiable homicide, murder and manslaughter to see what I mean. Yes they all involve killing but each one has very specific differences. This example shows why we need the full story including the reasons before giving a fair judgment otherwise any judgment you make is entirely arbitrary and a miscarriage of justice.
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  37. So you support murder. Let me put it to you this way suppose it wasn't Christians but instead they were doing these exact same things to your people would you still support them? Point being murder is murder that's why countries where no one is above the law sees murderers the same way no matter who it was committed against because all are equal under the law. Let me put the same logic another way what kind of society would you prefer to live in. One where the government decides who lives and who dies or one where even the law and the courts who enforce the law would never allow the government to make such decisions without due process? Think about that very carefully because part of the logic is to be understood as whether you live or die depends on what the government's attitude towards you is.
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  38.  @12345as-k  You make that assumption based on the idea that that is how the party works and maybe on paper that's how it works but there is a huge difference between paper and practice. In practice even if you do follow the rules you can easily be a target for any number of reasons. Stalin justified many of his own purges of folks whom thought they were as close as brothers to Stalin, and there were similar murders under Mao and Pol Pot, and this was the line he used to justify the action, " I know a traitor before he knows it himself." Meaning for you to be on the chopping block suspicion and just being in the wrong place have too much power, too much money, etc just to be targeted. That's how Communism works in practice. Now the rule of law doesn't permit this. Rule of law follows you are innocent until the state proves you are guilty. Communism is guilt or innocent is based entirely on the party and the guy in charge and whether or not you follow the rules is entirely irrelevant. Think of a slave on a plantation who constantly follows the rules but still gets whipped just because the master is in a bad mood and you just happen to be in his sight that's how it really is in a communist state.
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  39.  @12345as-k  Let me put that same slave analogy another way. One of the biggest reasons to justify persecuting Christians is foreign influence. How many foreigners do you think the arrested Christians personally know? I actually spent 6 years in Asia and I have visited Christian communities where they never even seen a foreigner before. These are often small villages in the middle of nowhere that can only be accessed by roads you wouldn't dare drive on in anything that wasn't built for off roading. Now maybe in the larger cities you can put a generous percentage on how many actually knew a foreigner but all of them? Really?? Then there is this accusation that they are engaged in Terrorism? Really?? And I suppose I am suppose to ignore the fact that this is coming from an ideology that arguably has had more terrorist groups attached to their name then even Jihadist groups in the past 100 years. In fact I would bet that if you spoke to a Chinese Christian you will find that they are more Chinese then the CCP wants even you to believe. In fact historically speaking whenever a political decision was made to use Christians as cannon fodder in wars, much to the states annoyance, they turned out to be 100x more loyal to the defence of their state then any radicalized citizen can ever become. You don't have to take my word for it look it up yourself any country that ever tried to get rid of Christianity that way bet you anything it turned into a surprising lesson in Christian sub culture time and time again. You can start with the Romans under Marcus Aurelius. Even Stalin tried it in WW2 he had to quietly exterminate them after it turned out that many of them were willing to fight and die for Russia despite what Stalin put them all through and knowing Stalin wasn't to be trusted.
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  40. Kinda hard when the rest of the world is on the take, has money in China or is dependent on China in such a way that stepping up against them on anything can bring problems of a different kind. Which is sad because what it comes down to is no one has any c@jones to do what's right and at the end of the day it's all about self-interest. Sorry to paint a very sobering picture but it is what it is. Best we can do is build awareness boycott Chinese products and pretty much be as much of a thorn in the ccps side as possible.
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  41. Did you even read the Bible? Who do you think identified himself as I am? As in the one who always is. That was Yahweh and Jesus actually said whoever has seen me has seen the father. To be understood as both him and Yahweh are two of the same being. How is this possible you might ask? Are you suggesting he is not omnipresent? Because if you are talking about God in some other term then you are not referring to the God of the bible that is omnipresent because that term means not limited to time and space so he, God, can be 2 different distinct identities of a single God because God has that ability. So you not only have it backwards but you don't even have the right God in mind.
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  42. Aren't you proselytizing? So then by your own logic you should be banned as well.
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  43.  @goldengun9970  You being Jewish doesn't tell me anything. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that the first 4 books of our bible are word for word the Torah. Of course we can play this game of going back and forth on who knows what but if you preaching what someone should or shouldn't do like you are right now then yes you are proselytizing. And if it isn't then why is one of the definitions for proselytization the following " advocate or promote (a belief or course of action)." You are promoting attacks on Christians or the stoppage of the spread of the religion so yes you are. Your argument is with the definition not with me.
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  44.  Vertiegrief  no church I have ever been in says this. Now granted there are well over 20,000 completely different church groups. A fraction of them, like SDA and Messianic Jews, are based in Jewish practices. But the majority that I have encountered are the exact opposite of what you say. Hence, why when the broader Old and New Testament is discussed the term judeochristianity is used. Even my church credits Judaism for the origin of Christianity. And saying otherwise doesn’t make it less true.
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  45.  Vertiegrief  nobody cares who you really are and if we are so hateful then come compared to Islam we don’t do anything most hateful groups do? Take terrorism for example doesn’t it strike you as odd that Islam is overloaded with terrorist groups, and anarchist socialist groups same way but Christianity? There is no more then a handful at any given time. For your statement to be true shouldn’t that be the exact opposite? And I am including countries where no one would blame them for starting an armed rebellion like North Korea, China even Iran where they are a very small minority. For your statement to be even slightly true Christians would have to be doing at least something and they never do. Doesn’t that strike as odd?
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  46.  Vertiegrief  weren’t my exact words no more then a handful at a time? So all you did was prove my point. And trying to say Islam Christianity two sides of the same coin, didn’t make this less true. See that’s the problem with forcing something to be true you still have the reality of it to contend with. Anarchism and Islam have 1000x more violent groups then Christianity ever had at any given time.
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  47.  Vertiegrief  yet Christianity rarely ever commits the same activities as the others in fact they are usually persecuted by the others and for good reason. Christianity centers on God rather than state. Christianity follows the teaching render under unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render to god what is god’s. Meaning Christianity doesn’t promote taking over governments nor countries. Regimes sense Rome actually tried to prove their disloyalty to their nations only to find out they were just as loyal as any other and to make matters worse more reliable. Look up the thundering legion and the theban legion. The other problem every christian that has ever been murdered in a persecution had friends who knew them better than the state did. As a result for every Christian they killed they would be replaced by 5,6 even 10 more. So trying to equat or lump them all in one group just further shows how separated Christianity really is from the others.
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  48. which is 1 church out of 20,000 completely different church groups. In fact in most churches I have attended, especially baptist churches Jewish symbols are venerated and often used as common motifs. Such as the 10 commandments and the Torah scroll. So I am calling you out on this one you are definitely lying on this one as well.
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  49.  Vertiegrief  let me just ask you this did even go to a church or did you just buy whatever some militant anti theist stated about Christianity without doing anything remotely considered research?
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  50.  Vertiegrief  as to your claim about Martin Luther and Russia were true does that really change the fact it was Christianity that supported the establishment of Israel? Or that the most active people in the rescue of Jews during WW2 in Europe was in fact Christians? Doesn’t that fact strike you as odd if what you stated was true of the whole? See that’s why in logic there is an error in logic called fallacy of composition. There are always exceptions and all generalisms are usually wrong with few exceptions.
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  51.  Vertiegrief  and that somehow makes what happened in WW2 less true how exactly?
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  52.  Vertiegrief  you seem to be desperately scraping a barrel for something making it painfully obvious you are not winning anything.
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  53.  Vertiegrief  I wouldn’t use that example at all because guess what religion was all the rage in Germany at those times? It was Christianity. So you didn’t attack Christianity you showed another example of what the religion promoted a particular custom which motivated Christian Germans in WW2 like Colonel Stauffenburg, the guy that tried to kill hitler well one of them anyway, from hindering the holocaust anyway they can. See how that example really didn’t help you?
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  54.  Vertiegrief  actually the nazis were big into the occult which would explain their antisemitism because the two biggest cults in Germany at the time, The Vrill and Thule Societies, were both Nordic based and heavily antisemitic. And I have also heard the argument hitler was Christian by his own words the very same words he used to say he was a communist on the side of the Soviet Union all the way up until he attacked the Soviet Union and began throwing Russians in concentration camps, he said was for equality of Germans and we all know how that turned out long story short from 1930 to 35 he said he was for all sorts of groups and he betrayed every single one of them once he came to power. The Christian one no different in fact He put Herman Gering in charge of persecuting Christians in the Rhineland up until the Pope was willing to agree to play ball with Hitler. And when I say persecuting it was in every sense of the word even sending catholic clergyman to concentration camps for defying the regime. So spare me the hitler was a Christian argument it’s not fooling anyone.
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  55.  Vertiegrief  got any other half assed researched claims about Christianity are you done making a fool of yourself?seriously you are getting these from a militant atheist website aren’t you? The fact they are all historically inaccurate, incompetent is more like it, makes it a dead giveaway.
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  56.  @horizonenjoy2323  Difficult question to answer because I have traveled around the world quite a bit over the years. I wasn't a missionary or soldier or anything like that. I was just a teacher in SE Asia. But if you are asking where I was born and raised it would be US.
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  57.  Vertiegrief  You did learn it from an Atheist site? Really so I am supposed to magically ignore the fact that everything you just stated was quoted also by Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens and even atheist trolls like Sargon of Akkad who would't know Christian history even if it walked up and broke his nose? Yeah that's never going to happen. You did and the fact you are insisting your view of history, as if the past 4 years of humiliation taught you nothing, is the only correct view in fact proves it. Get an education and burn your anti theist trash. No one is buying it. You got conned get over it.
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  58. ​ Vertiegrief  Really you want to insist christians are anti semitic. Then how come Christian on Jewish violence is so rare? That's according to the National Crime statistic run by the FBI if you want to look it up. In fact for your statement to be true all 20,000 churches must be engaged in some kind of anti semitic activity of some kind and in most cases the very opposite tends to be the case. The mass majority of Churches, especially in the US,, are pro Israel. Now if you want to just look up who is committing the most violence against Jews, which according for your statement to be true then it should be Christians but again according to the actual statistics it's muslims. Why is that? because of Israel. So, if you want to insist on this rhetoric then yuo have no choice but to explain why Muslim on Jew violence is common and Christian on Jew violence is rare?
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  59.  Vertiegrief  Who cares that you are back.
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  60.  Vertiegrief  Really you are going to insist Hitler was never an occultist and expect me ignore the fact members of his own inner circle, like Rudolf hess and Heinrich Himmler were occult fanatics? Himmler even dedicated his headquarters to occult practices? Or how about this one Hitler actually financed occult literature, including an Occult magazine called Ostara? Yeah that's never going to happen. Oh and thanks for admitting you don't know Jack about evidence. If you actually look up how many crimes are actually solved by photgraphic evidence you will discover they are not that frequent. Documented evidence, like where the money is coming from and where it is going, which is how we know Hitler's party was financing occult literature and activities is considered proof, or like Journal entries like from Goerbbels own diaries where he actually quoted Hitler's actual belief's against Christianity and for Occultism yes that is considered proof because that counts as eyewitness statements. Next time you want to talk about proof or say what's proof and what's not maybe take a course in evidence first. I will say it again I study Criminal Justice which means I already know what counts as evidence and what doesn't. So congratulations you just played yourself.
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  61. Why?
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  62. How so?
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  63.  @carloschacal9334  why would that be trouble though? Every religion philosophy and ideology thinks everyone else is wrong? Let me put it to you this way philosophers for years, and scientists, have argued for centuries over basic questions of nature and they still do and they all believe they are right? Why isn't this trouble?
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  64.  @carloschacal9334  i should add that when you give anyone group of philosophers or scientists power it is also disgraceful. Look at what happened with Eugenics and Social Darwinism and the disaster both of those brought by their proponents communism and fascism? Yet we still fund science and now science once again is being given too much authority and the evidence of this is in the Social backlash as well as scientists like Fauci being investigated for crimes. That's not counting the protests from people that just want their old lives back and can you blame them? Granted there is a pandemic which is a fair argument but it doesn't make the backlash less evident. It does show too much power given to scientists. Even Aldous Huxley in his book Brave New World shows where such authority leads to which is a different form of authoritarianism where science justifies everything even cruelty and inhumanity. You can say that is speculation if you want but have you noticed the level of protests in Canada and Australia just over vaxx passports and mask mandates. Now don't get me wrong I am vaccinated but doesn't that seem to show you that just about any group can be abusive when it comes to power? If so and Christianity is for separation of church and state then how is that troubling?
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  65. That’s why he’s gotta go. Preferably to a gallows but I will leave that to an international tribunal to decide.
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  66. How?
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  67.  Vertiegrief  funny so did the nazis up until the Nuremberg trials and they met their fates with the noose. Bet they weren’t proud when they got to He!! And realized they would suffer for it.
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  68. How so?
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  69. Fake? How so?
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  70. To ABC I am curious, if it was atheists they were committing these same actions to would you still say that? Do keep in mind communist governments showing such barbarism arbitrarily towards any group is not at all unusual. In fact if you look up who the victims of the cultural revolution were you will notice that among those in the list were former comrades from the Chinese Civil War. Think about that for a second that means you are essentially supporting a government that has in fact disappeared people just because they were simply there. Let me put it to you another way if a rabid dog attacked a neighbor you hated would you give such an animal a home or would you exercise common sense, understanding rabid animals will attack anyone they simply don't care, and would find it smarter to put that animal down any way you can. Yes I did just compare the CCP to a rabid dog and they haven't done anything in the past year alone to make me believe otherwise.
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