Comments by "Dark Jack" (@darkjack9021) on "Metatron"
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@huseyindelidogan5654 This statement needs to be qualified. Although the role of samurai was more diversified before the rigid codification of the Edo period, the appellation "samurai" still carried a connotation of martial skill and direct service to the lord. The suggestion that all a lord's servants could be called samurai is questionable and not supported by the majority of historical texts. Where are your sources anyway?
These attributes reflect a privileged status, but the absence of formal training and integration into traditional samurai codes (such as bushido) may suggest that Yasuke occupied a more nuanced role, perhaps that of retainer, as discussed above.
The fact that he received weapons and a residence indicates a notable trust on Nobunaga's part, but does not automatically qualify Yasuke as a samurai, especially in the absence of other elements constituting this status.
Your answer raises some interesting points about the flexibility of social roles during the Sengoku period, but tends to overstretch the definition of samurai to include almost any servant of a lord. Yasuke undoubtedly held a special and honorary position within Nobunaga's entourage, but to describe this position as samurai may be an anachronism based on an overly broad interpretation of historical terms.
It is highly unlikely, if not impossible, that a foreigner can acquire all the skills and knowledge necessary to be considered a full-fledged samurai in just a few months, especially if that person has no command of Japanese and limited knowledge of Japanese culture. Training to become a samurai was not only technical and physical, but also deeply rooted in cultural and linguistic learning, which takes years.
Need I say more?
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@huseyindelidogan5654 Yeah, and you're an expert. Source: trust me bro. Otherwise, people can read these books and see Yasuke wasn't a real samurai. But a special guest expelled.
Sources:
Cooper, Michael (1965). They Came to Japan: An Anthology of European Reports on Japan, 1543–1640.
Crasset, Jean (1925). 日本教会史 (Histoire de l'eglise du Japon)
Fujita, Midori (2005). アフリカ「発見」日本におけるアフリカ像の変遷 [Discover Africa―History of African image in Japan (World History series)] (in Japanese).
Lockley, Thomas (2016). "The Story of Yasuke: Nobunaga's African Retainer". Ōmon Ronsō. 91. Tokyo: Nihon Daigaku Hōgakubu.
RETAINER. RETAINER. Not SAMURAI. But hey, don't worry everyone may become one, even if they don't speak japanese, even if they don't master customs, even if they aren't japanese. How? Find Nobunaga. Don't Worry. You can learn Bushido without speaking any language! You're Jesus himself. What a wonderful time. Thank you Lord huseyindelidogan5654! We're God! And we're idiot!
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@huseyindelidogan5654 From the information discussed and the historical context of the Sengoku period in Japan, under which Oda Nobunaga ruled, we can deduce that Yasuke was probably not a samurai in the full, traditional sense of the term, but rather a trusted retainer of high status in Nobunaga's entourage. Here are the key elements that support this deduction:
Yasuke arrived in Japan as an escort of an Italian missionary and was of African descent, which means he was neither from a samurai family nor familiar from the outset with Japanese language and culture. These aspects excluded him from the traditional criteria of samurai ancestry and initial training.
Yasuke quickly won the favor of Nobunaga, who took him under his wing. Nobunaga entrusted him with responsibilities and privileges, such as a residence and weapons, indicative of an important and respected role. However, it is more likely that this status was that of a valued retainer rather than a traditional samurai, given the limitations associated with his knowledge of Japanese culture and the training requirements of samurai.
Yasuke served as a bodyguard and participated in battles alongside Nobunaga, demonstrating his martial skills and military valor. His role could therefore be seen as that of a warrior or military retainer, but without all the obligations and cultural and ethical training (bushido) that characterize a samurai.
The relationship between Yasuke and Nobunaga can be seen as an exception to the normal rigidity of the Japanese social hierarchy of the time. Nobunaga, known for his unconventional approach and interest in novelties, may have integrated Yasuke into his entourage in an innovative way, exploiting his unique qualities outside traditional structures.
In sum, Yasuke was most likely a highly trusted retainer for Nobunaga, with a special status due to his unique skills, loyalty and preferential treatment by Nobunaga, rather than a samurai in the full, traditional sense. This adapted role reflects the particular circumstances of his service under an exceptionally progressive and experimental daimyo during a period of great social and political upheaval in Japan.
This is THE reasonable position. He wasn't a samurai but "the dog of Nobunaga" like some Japaneses say. To be a real samurai you have to be accepted by the society rules, and learn customs. In other words: being a japanese. Yasuke was EXPELLED.
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