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Comments by "Gar Sm" (@garsm2290) on "How online activists are contributing to Ireland’s immigration debate" video.
@rol1517 The Irish Freedom Party is the one that made up a fake candidate in Kerry and whose conference was attended by arch-Brexiteer Nigel Farage!!! They're seriously dodgy, aligned with little Englanders, and support a hard Brexit, which is going to be a disaster for Ireland!!
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Is an American Irish person American? Or Irish? Or both?
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@aaronconlon3880 The little Polish-Irish lad speaks Irish. The biggest threat to Irish culture is Anglicisation.
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Ireland is a Republic based on equality and tolerance - not the racism of the British far right.
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The lad probably speaks better Irish than the far-right nutters and arsonists!
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What a lovely ladeen, well behaved and polite. And what the mother says about belonging to the place where you have buried a child is very moving.
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@brianfinnegan9700 Brexit is a disaster for Ireland.
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@brianfinnegan9700 Yes, the British far right, people who make comments like"Channel 4 is CNN tier fake news only watched by loony left commies and the British Establishment" ... which is the comment this thread follows ... the British far right who dispise brown people, Jews, Muslims and the Irish, the people who justified violence in Ireland carried out in the name of the British Crown, the people who didn't care one jot for Ireland over Brexit or at any other time, and yet who now want to bring their racist views to Ireland. Yes, them.
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Irish law defines who and who isn't a citizen: that's pretty much black and white. Withi Ireland there are multiple identities - the main divide is between those who speak the native language and those who speak English.
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Most Irish parties are nationalist.
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@rol1517 Did these parties fight British rule? How many votes did they get in the last election?
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Cathy H So there are a few thousand Poles in Ireland? How many millions of Irish are there in America? I'm sure you bend over backwards often -- but ethnic cleansing? The only ethnic cleansing in Ireland was the British plantation.
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Losing ground, maybe? The far-right agitator refused to talk. She just wanted material for her globalist YouTube channel.
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Cathy H Ireland has 900 Syrian refugees. How many Irish immigrants do you think there are in Australia, the US and the UK? Can you do basic maths?
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Cathy H No-one is sure quite how many Irish immigrants are working illegally in the US and Australia. The UK has for over a century mopped up Irish people considered surplus to requirements at home. The Syrians I've met are hard-working taxpayers and certainly not pushing drugs or living in 200-a-week dole like many Irish people.
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Ha ha ha ha ....
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Cathy H The far right is trageting Ireland with their usual demonisation of any minority -- next we'll have a compaign to rejoin the British Empire and the white supremacists there!!
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Cathy H Isn't it great that the little Polish lad speaks Irish? It's not him that is destroying Irish culture, it's American TV programmes and social media.
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If he speaks Irish, is he more or less Irish than someone whose parents were born here and doesn't speak Irish?
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@Gillemear In law you are either Irish or you are not. In common parlance, people say someone with one Irish parent is 'half Irish' (whether or not they have citizenship). People can identify themselves as 'half Irish', 'American Irish' or 'Northern Irish'. Identity is complex and often a matter of degree. Of course there are racists who say someone like Paul McGrath or Phil Lynott isn't Irish because they are/were black but most Irish people aren't racists.
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@Gillemear I agree. Irish law defines who and who isn't a citizen: that's pretty much black and white. Withi Ireland there are multiple identities - you could argue the main divide is between those who speak the native language and those who speak English. With people, say, who have one Irish parent and one Scots parent, some regard themselves as half-half, some as Scots and some as Irish: sometimes that depends on which parent they have the closer relationship with.
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Didn't Channel 4 expose Farage's dodging funding? And of course Farage is the one who wants a hard Brexit.
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@John Smith Rubbish, you're just parroting the globalist propaganda from Fox, Murdoch, Trump and the socialmedia corporates. Channel 4 does excellent journalism, including the dubious financing of the Brexiteers.
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Channel 4 does the kind of investigative journalism done by RTE - and not by the globalists like Fox News.
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@John Smith Cleaning the UK? With Brexit? Brexit has reduced Britain to a mass of squabbling.
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@brianfinnegan9700 Not in Ireland. The north of Ireland voted against Brexit. Why follow the lead of the British far right? They've brought nothing but disaster on Ireland ever.
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@John Smith You think it's not a real school in Longford? Or that Longford itself is fake?
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@John Smith Indeed, they all lie all the time. No dout you prefer Alex Jones and Fox News.
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@John Smith I thought you probably watched Alex Jones. What "sources" do you "go to", that you consider reliable and free from "hard-left" bias? Fox News? Murdoch?
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@John Smith Channel 4 does some excellent work - it was them that exposed Farage's 450K from Aaron Banks. But by sources I thought you meant sources (direct) rather than the media. Alex Jones is part of social media, many people believe what he says, especially the conspiracy theories. Many people believe Fox News, or in the UK what 'Tommy Robinson' says (by then you're really looking at a cult).
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@John Smith I don't know Tim Pool but have the impression reading about him on wikipedia that he's a "celebrity" rather than a journalist, at least rather than a journalist of the old school.
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@shukutkhan7522 So you think the Catholics will be driven out of the north? What makes you think that?
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@aaronconlon3880 The Polish-Irish ladeen is speaking Irish in the film. There's another great film of a Chinese guy who came to Ireland to improve his Irish and couldn't find anyone to speak to until he went to Connemara. Stirring up all this hatred - like burning down refugee centres - is a far-right trick imported from Britain, where the likes of Marie Waters re pumping up white racism.
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@aaronconlon3880 His mother quoted a very beautiful line that you didn't belong to a palce until a loved one was buried there. The film didn't reveal whether the ladeen was Irish - his parents may have citizenship. They seem like responsible, good people so I hope they do. Can someone be Irish if they can't speak Irish? Clearly they can be a citizen, but isn't the Irish identity about speaking the langauge?
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@aaronconlon3880 You don't really explain your notion of identity. Arabs are Arabs because they speak Arabic, and therefore they find it hard to understand how anyone can be Irish if they don't speak Irish. The fastest decline of the Irish langauge has been since independence - so it's not a simple matter of colonisation is it (why did the Welsh keep their language so much more). The question of law is something else - if the people in the film, who clearly love Ireland, apply for citizenship they may receive it. Criticising immigrants for not wanting to learn Irish is ridiculous because a) many do, b) many Irish people give out about having to do Irish in school, c) the Irish are notorious for not learning other languages when they live abroad. I applaud your efforts to revive Gaelic culture and suggest you get on with that rather than criticising Polish-Irish children.
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@aaronconlon3880 On the decline of the Irish language read Tanner The Last of the Celts. Your confusing first-lngauge speakers with people who can say a few things they learned at school - and the latter is not enough to establish identity, especially the simple identity you are advocating. Fine, claim it for yourself, but don't deny others the right to call themseles Polish and Irish, Irish-American, Northern Irish, London Irish or whatever. The world is always changing and identities are fluid.
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@aaronconlon3880 You realise it's 2019? You need to get out more. Most people in Ireland can't speak Irish - even in the Gaeltacht, where nearly all signs are now in English.
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