Comments by "Jack Spring" (@jackspring7709) on "Russia offers Mariupol defenders a surrender window - BBC News" video.

  1. Russia created that corridor: the azov battalion refused to allow people to leave.
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  2.  @songsmith31a  Hi Mark. Thanks for the reply. In fact what happened in the previous all out war: in 2014 DPR forces (East Ukraine forces) had surrounded Ukraine's army in Donbass and were getting ready to annihilate them: they were going to wipe them out and had fully intended to. Angela Merkel then contacted Putin personally to ask him to use his influence and intervene, which is what he did and there was a ceasefire: the Ukraine army was allowed to leave peacefully and the MInsk agreement was signed. I hadn't heard of attacks on them when they were leaving, but I'm going to try and find out about that now that you've mentioned it. I just want to note, with that, that in the 2014 war it was Donbass's own forces that were fighting the Ukraine military, there were Russian soldiers on the ground, true, but not many and Russia kept at arms length from that conflict. I know that after Minsk was signed the Ukraine army immediately started shelling East Ukraine again and have been ever since, but in February East Ukraine mobilised when the shelling intensified and Ukraine forces began amassing at the border: this time Donbass asked Russia to bring it's military in to help them.
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  3. The azov battalion are nazis: they are actual nazis who carried out numerous atrocities while they were in control of Mariupol.
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  4.  @brentjamescollins9731  I see. Thank you for the reply which I had a quick scan at: I'll read it in detail tomorrow - it's quite a lot. Thank you.
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  5.  @mrbelevederesuncle9821  Mariupol is mainly ethnic Russian: the Azov battalion murdered, tortured and beat their way around Mariupol when they were in control of that region. The conflict in Ukraine is between East Ukraine and West Ukraine, not between Russia and Ukraine. It began when Ukraine's military started attacking the East in 2014 and they have been attacking ever since. In February they began intense shelling and this was the final straw for the East: they mobilised and invited Russia in to help push the Ukraine army back.
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  6. @KK The conflict in Ukraine is between East Ukraine and West Ukraine, not between Russia and Ukraine. It began when Ukraine's military started attacking the East in 2014 and they have been attacking ever since. In February they began intense shelling and this was the final straw for the East: they mobilised and invited Russia in to help push the Ukraine army back. Those are the facts.
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  7.  @mrbelevederesuncle9821  Stop wasting my time by talking about every other blasted country around the world. We're talking about Ukraine. You clearly don't understand the point I'm making. You said the ethnic Russians should "go back". I said they can't "go back" because they were always there - literally always there - and again, you completely misunderstood what I was saying and started talking about native Americans. Stop wasting my time and try making a relevant argument.
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  8. I've been following the conflict in Ukraine since 2014 and the public is being lied to wholesale about this. The conflict is between East and West Ukraine, not Russia and Ukraine. In 2014 the new Ukraine military began attacking East Ukraine which is mainly ethnic Russian: these attacks escalated into massacres which led to a brief war. The Minsk agreement was signed with the hope of peace but the military kept attacking East Ukraine, despite numerous diplomatic efforts by Russians to stop it. In February 2022 the Ukraine's military began intense shelling of the East whilst amassing troops on the border. This was the final straw for East Ukraine which immediately mobilised and invited Russia to help push the Ukraine army back. These are all facts. Don't forget that the same media told us Iraq had wmds and that Assad gassed his own people. have a look at Patrick Lancaster's channel: independent journalist who has been on the ground in the frontlines since 2014. Then draw your own conclusions.
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  9. Many if not most of the fighters in Mariupol are from the azov battalion. I would urge you to do a little research on them. A quick google/wikipedia search will show you who and what they are: there are a few channels that documents what they did to the civilian population before the Russians drove them out: if you check out Graham Phillips' channel or Patrick Lancaster or Max Clarke (all of whom have been on the ground, on the frontlines since this began) you'll get a good idea of what's really happening there.
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  10. Many if not most of the fighters in Mariupol are from the azov battalion. I would urge you to do a little research on them. A quick google/wikipedia search will show you who and what they are: there are a few channels that documents what they did to the civilian population before the Russians drove them out: if you check out Graham Phillips' channel or Patrick Lancaster or Max Clarke (all of whom have been on the ground, on the frontlines since this began) you'll get a good idea of what's really happening there. Also - this conflict is not between Russia and Ukraine - it's between East and West Ukraine. East Ukraine is mainly ethnic Russian and has been the target of attacks from the Ukraine military for 8 years now. In February the military began intense shelling of the East and began amassing on the border: this time east Ukraine had had enough - they mobilised and invited Russia in to help them push back the Ukraine military. We are being lied to wholesale by our media. I hope you will check the channels I had mentioned.
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  11.  @brentjamescollins9731  Thank you, Brent, for both comments. Yes, thank you - and as you've pointed out, certainly my intention wasn't just to spread propaganda but I do get a lot of 'Russian bot' remarks and I always say the same thing to them "If you don't agree, argue the point". Thanks for your respectful argument and well thought out points. I guess we may not agree on the basis of the crisis but I'm sure we both agree on hoping it will end peacefully and that the Ukrainians on both sides can go back to a normal life and not have to go on suffering for all of this in the coming years. Thanks for stopping by, and for your replies and I hope you're having a Happy Easter. All The Best.
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  12. I've been following the conflict in Ukraine since 2014 and the public is being lied to wholesale about this. The conflict is between East and West Ukraine, not Russia and Ukraine. In 2014 the new Ukraine military began attacking East Ukraine which is mainly ethnic Russian: these attacks escalated into massacres which led to a brief war. The Minsk agreement was signed with the hope of peace but the military kept attacking East Ukraine, despite numerous diplomatic efforts by Russians to stop it. In February 2022 the Ukraine's military began intense shelling of the East whilst amassing troops on the border. This was the final straw for East Ukraine which immediately mobilised and invited Russia to help push the Ukraine army back. These are all facts. Don't forget that the same media told us Iraq had wmds and that Assad gassed his own people. have a look at Patrick Lancaster's channel: independent journalist who has been on the ground in the frontlines since 2014. Then draw your own conclusions.
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  13. Not "we". It's a handful of sociopaths and psychopaths who get into office and do what psychos do - we are the ones that have to pick up the pieces afterwards.
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  14.  @ENGLISHISBEST  Exactly.
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  15. You're absolutely right.
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  16.  @mrbelevederesuncle9821  In fact Ukraine was carved out of parts of other countries, including Poland, believe it or not. The part called East Ukraine was actually part of Russia but it was added to Ukraine by Stalin. So those people always belonged there - the only difference is that Moscow changed the borders on its maps. As for yur China comment - I only deal with facts and figures, not conjecture.
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  17. @KK Ukraine's military has been attacking and shelling East Ukraine for 8 years now with no signs of stopping and things were getting worse, so East Ukraine and Russia prepared for what they knew was coming - and in February it did when Ukraine's military began shelling and amassing on the border again. By the way: you're clearly not aware that Putin - hmm - actually spent the last 5 years trying to get Ukraine to honour the Minsk peace agreement and trying to get European leaders to pressure Ukraine to honour the Minsk agreement - EVERY single one of these efforts was brushed off, laughed at and ignored, while Ukraine's military kept on shelling the East - and in February the shelling intensified and Ukraine troops started amassing on the border for an attack. East Ukraine mobilised, invited Russia in to help them and they began pushing the Ukraine military back.
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  18.  @mrbelevederesuncle9821  Well, when you learn to argue with, and present, actual facts and figures I'll be happy to spend time debating with you. Until then you're just an irrelevant waste of time.
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  19.  @rsmith6366  I've heard that claim: it doesn't hold up in reality. They are nazis and they are very proud to declare themselves as such.
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  20.  @rsmith6366  I don't disagree with your percentages: but how big of a percentage of the Wehrmacht did the waffen ss? It didn't and shouldn't diminish their crimes which are still talked about even today.
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  21.  @rsmith6366  https://youtu.be/dUask2cfFh4. https://youtu.be/6LQSYmda0Sc - and if your stomach is still intact here is a short report about Azov boasting about having kidnapped Gonzalo Lira, while a journalist embedded with Ukraine forces laughs about the possibility they may have murdered him (Mr Lira has not been seen since Friday) https://youtu.be/VxCuy7tA_zc And here is a report footage of azov doing what azov like to do: https://youtu.be/FG1fuhKwXVA. I've supplied you with these links - you better look at them.
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  22.  @rsmith6366  I know from your reply you didn't even look at them, that's why I generally don't waste time providing links to lazy, stupid and ignorant trolls, because that's always their answer. You asked for evidence, I sent it - you didn't want to look at it, with that lame and over-worn excuse 'I don't believe that': that says everything about you. Evidence has no effect on people like you.
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  23.  @songsmith31a  You're welcome and thank you for the reply. The one thing I didn't mention is that I feel awful for the people of both sides in this war: Zelensky was voted in overwhelmingly on a mandate of normalising relations with East Ukraine & Russia and enforcing the Minsk agreement: the people of Ukraine wanted peace. I've worked with Ukrainians over in England and found them to be very good to deal with - and I lived in Germany after the wall came down and worked with a number of Bosnian and Croat refugees, as well as Serbs: I found them all to be lovely people so it always puzzled me why that war was so savage: but there are always geo-political chess players and psychopaths trying to pit people against each other - and without going too far down the rabbit hole the usual suspects always show up, and very few of them live in the countries they help destroy. I hope there will be peace soon - the war seems to be nearly over - let's hope it will be and that these poor people can go back to rebuilding their lives.
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  24. I've been following the conflict in Ukraine since 2014 and the public is being lied to wholesale about this. The conflict is between East and West Ukraine, not Russia and Ukraine. In 2014 the Ukraine military began attacking East Ukraine which is mainly ethnic Russian: these attacks escalated into massacres which led to a brief war. The Minsk agreement was signed with the hope of peace but the military kept attacking East Ukraine, despite numerous diplomatic efforts by Russia to stop it. In February 2022 Ukraine's military began intense shelling of the East whilst amassing troops on the border. This was the final straw for East Ukraine which immediately mobilised and invited Russia to help push the Ukraine army back. These are all facts. Don't forget that the same media told us Iraq had wmds and that Assad gassed his own people. have a look at Patrick Lancaster's channel: independent journalist who has been on the ground in the frontlines since 2014. Then draw your own conclusions.
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