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Comments by "Jack Spring" (@jackspring7709) on "Ukraine Russia: UN inspectors say Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant ‘violated’ amid heavy shelling" video.
I've been following this conflict since 2014 (yes it didn't begin in February 2022) and I really wish people could see how much they are being lied to about it. EDIT: Actually pleasantly surprised that a good number of people on the comments thread aren't blindly believing what's being put infront of them.
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@PeacetimePuma Do your own research. I did. You can start with the overthrow of Ukraine's elected government in 2014 with the help of $5bn from the US state dept: followed shortly after by the banning of the Russian language, then the attacks, then the massacres that led to Donbass having no choice but to take up arms to defend themselves, and Crimea voting to join the Russian Federation.
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@jaydwy8069 Exactly. And Iraq should really serve as a lesson to us all but I'm still shocked that so many people choose to believe the same liars with the same template.
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@niblet112 I've posted a long reply to Robert Shaw summarising the conflict. I hope he reads it: I don't often do this and yes I agree people should really research stuff. Thank you again.
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@karstenschuhmann8334 You're lying but that's okay. I've written a good summary below. By the way - you're probably not aware of this but the conflict was between East & West Ukraine, not Russia and Ukraine.
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Okay - I've noticed in the replies that some people are asking what happened there. People should really do their own research but Oliver Stone's documentary 'Ukraine On Fire' would give you an excellent summary of how it all began and what's really happening there.
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@niblet112 Well - as expected I wrote that long summary of the conflict, in reply to Robert Straw's question, and not even an acknowledgement from him - I'd imagine he just glanced at it, saw it was more than 2 sentences long and decided it was too much bother: it's why I generally don't spoon feed any of these people anymore - but every now and again I foolishly do. I guess If someone's not going to do their own research, they're not going to read a long paragraph either, no matter how much time you've put aside to write it. But - yeah - in short your reply to him was the right one, mine just wasted my time.
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@ThaDonJsuan The KGB doesn't exist anymore - and in the beginning Putin wanted Russia to be part of NATO, when he replaced Yeltsin: he also wanted closer economic ties with the EU and other Western countries. He was shunned by both- they closed the door on him and Russia and have spent the last 20 years (at least) encroaching on the country, something they promised Gorbachev they wouldn't do. None of this would be happening now if they had just kept their promise.
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@karstenschuhmann8334 Read my reply to Robert Straw above and tell me what part I'm lying about.
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@karstenschuhmann8334 Wrong - true its part of a bigger conflict, but if you're going to make that claim why not be truthful about it and admit that it's always been between nato and Russia, with nato having done everything they could to provoke Russia, using Ukraine as a weapon and sacrificing tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives for it, 'though It didn't quite work out the way they expected.
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@TTR83 Yep - quickly being replaced by "Do not do business with the UK, EU or US."
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I'm happy to see there are at least some critical thinkers on this comments thread. But I'm amazed that more people aren't skeptical of these liars.
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@niblet112 Exactly. Thanks.
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@viaceslavmikhailovich9825 True.
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@madmickey78 Exactly.
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@karstenschuhmann8334 "felt" bullied by Russia. Could you elaborate on that, please?
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@TTR83 Right now. Because you're not suffering right now. Its not winter yet.
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@TTR83 And that, right there, is the problem. You're being shafted and you don't even blame the people you're being shafted by. Stick around - the blowback from the sanctions war that the EU started against Russia has not even been felt yet by EU citizens.
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@TTR83 Whatever: there's really no point in us wasting each other's time any further here.
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@TTR83 If you're talking about the soviet union, it's a different era from decades ago Stalin and his gang are long dead. This crisis began in 2014 with the pogroms, attacks and killings in East Ukraine by Ukraine authorities. And you know that already. But we're not going to agree on anything here
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@robertstraw9881 Okay Robert - and I hope you will read this: its a lot to write: In 2014 the US State dept financed a violent coup to overthrow the elected government of Ukraine ($5bn): shortly afterwards the Right Sector government of installed oligarch Petro Poroshenko banned the Russian language. What followed afterwards was a series of attacks on ethnic Russians living in Ukraine, these escalated to killings. The Chief of Police for Donetsk, East Ukraine was decapitated infront of his wife and 150 ethnic Russians were herded into a union building and burned alive. Those who escaped were bludgeoned or shot to death mainly by the Azov battalion, a fascist paramilitary group. Shortly after this event the Azov battalion was invited to join the Ukraine military and became part of the army. Seeing what was coming to (mainly ethnic Russian) East Ukraine, Crimea voted to rejoin the Russian Federation to protect itself while the rest of East Ukraine mobilised and armed to protect themselves: East Ukraine won the 2014 war that followed and Putin urged them to lay down arms and strike a peace deal with Kiev. The Minsk peace agreement was signed. Immediately afterwards the Ukraine army began shelling and attacking East Ukraine again - and this has been going on for 8 years despite numerous attempts by the Russians to stop the attacks. 14,000 East Ukrainians were killed during this time. In February 2014 Ukraine forces intensified shelling on East Ukraine and began to amass on the border again. It was clear they were getting ready to overrun East Ukraine. This time East Ukraine had had enough, and so had Russia. Donetsk and Luhansk asked Russia to recognise them as Independent States (Russia Did) and then they invited Russian forces into their territory to push Kiev's forces back and end this once and for all. That's what they're doing right now.
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@DacianRider Empty head text. Argue your point instead of belching out talking points that someone else has placed in that echo chamber you keep between your ears.
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@PeacetimePuma Just because that's how you do your own research, doesn't mean that's how the rest of us do it: but I guess the answer to your problem is in your name: where I come from a 'yo-yo' means an idiot.
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@karstenschuhmann8334 NATO has been encroaching on and poking Russia since at least the 1990s, since the US promised Gorbachev, in return for Glasnost, that they would not move an inch East towards Russian territory. The US State dept spent $5bn (Victoria Nuland bragged about it, so don't bother denying it) overthrowing the democratically elected government of Ukraine and replacing it with the Right Sector (neo-fascist Group) headed by Petro Poroshenko the oligarch and US/NATO puppet. One of his first acts was to ban the Russian language - and the attacks and pogroms against ethnic Russians began, culminating in the Odessa burning alive of ethic Russians after being locked in the Union building. If you call that an example of being careful not to provoke, I'd hate to see your version of a provocation.
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@ThaDonJsuan Delusional. That's rich coming from you thinking a nuclear strike will resolve this. Yes, I have heard his speeches - you shouldn't be listening to neo-con interpretations of the speeches he makes. BTW - I guess you're not aware, so I'm going to spell it out for you: the Russians have technology (as do all nuclear armed states) that will set off an alarm if a nuclear missile is launched at them. This will then set off a chain reaction immediately launching nuclear missiles at their adversary: DO NOT THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW WILL SURVIVE A NUCLEAR STRIKE AGAINST RUSSIA: How you can even make a suggestion like that and call other people delusional is beyond me. Some people.
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@ThaDonJsuan You repeat the word delusional a lot: I think you're projecting - and yes a pre-emptive strike will prompt a chain reaction which will launch an automatic counter-strike aimed at every single NATO country and you will die. I really don't think you understand the nature of nuclear war: you should really go away, educate yourself first and then have a long think about advocating (lol) pre-emptive strikes. Dear oh dear.
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@TTR83 You're swallowing the same lies from the same liars who told us Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction, Assad gassed his own people and Gaddafi pulled babies out of incubators - and you continue to believe these liars. I've been following this conflict since 2014 (yes it didn't begin in Feb 2022) - and you'd be shocked if you really knew what's been happening there. You should really do your own research, but I don't believe you will. You have my sympathies.
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@TTR83 I would very, VERY strongly advise you to research what happened there: begin with the US backed ($5bn) violent coup that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine, and then the attacks and killings against East Ukrainians that followed. If you're not able to do that then I would urge you to watch Oliver Stone's documentary Ukraine on Fire. Otherwise there is simply no point in my wasting any more time here.
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@TTR83 Okay Taimo: I understand your point and your reasoning: and I agree with some of the things you are saying: but believe me NATO is using Ukraine as a weapon - and don't think for one second that they have honourable intentions: if these globalists reach all of their ambitions everyones' lives will be far worse than the darkest days of the nazis and the soviet union put together. Whatever the history of Russia and how it treated surrounding countries, at least today's Russian leadership and nation understands that.
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@karstenschuhmann8334 You're even lying about my reply to Robert Straw: my reply was a long paragraph and summary of all the details that led to the current conflict. You didn't even read it. What a cheek.
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@TTR83 Ok, Taimo. We won't agree - but I guarantee you what nato and the nwo have planned for all of us is far worse than anything in your country's history: Russia is stopping them - and that's good enough for me. We won't agree, but believe me I do understand your point of view.
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@TTR83 "Nato has planned nothing."?: Oh boy - are you in for one very big and unpleasant surprise.
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@TTR83 Putin didn't invade: the Ukraine army started amassing along the Donbas border in February 2022 whilst intensifying shelling of East Ukraine: it's obvious they were preparing to overrun Donbass (they had been shelling East Ukraine for 8 years): Donbass saw what was coming, mobilised and invited Russia in to help them push the Ukraine army back and end this once and for all. Those are the facts.
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