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Comments by "" (@kimsland999) on "A Physics Prof Bet Me $10,000 I'm Wrong" video.
Both the treadmill and castor roller examples were merely representing how geared things can go faster. The EXPERIMENT however, was about the wind Vs speed of a designed object. The point is that the exampled non wind things, weren't there to provide authenticity to the wind machine, but ONLY to show that things can move faster through gearing, such as hands on a mechanical watch can do. They were merely interesting on their own.
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We all bettering through science. Actually it can be clearly shown we are living in the best times ever from all previous times through education; technology; all the sciences; health; and enjoyment of life. Science is not about making things all lovely and fun. It merely our best method in determining reality. Even if a doctor confirms you have a terminal disease! This mental deficiency you speak of is not due to the scientific method. Actually its in spite of it. People tend to become comfortable in their ways or false beliefs. Science is not making them that way. Rather its helping to support their needs from now and into the future.
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1. Science is more about falsifying things, rather than proving something is true. 2. Many people still don't trust the best known method of science. Preferring to stay wilfully ignorant. 3. The vid was not simple. Simplicity itself is not a requirement of science. Sometimes you need to gain knowledge and understanding. Many people prefer a simple method of I believe in something else, which is always shown to be pathetic. Pretty sure I covered what the bad reasons are.
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@inconn262 You are asking where the testing was done. NOT at the difficult start, NOT at the slowing down in the end. But at the point ONLY where the vehicle gains speed ;) An excellent example is if a bike rider begins in 10th gear (really hard to get momentum here) and eventually gains enough speed that 10th gear has little energy of the rider to go fast. NOW replace the rider energy with (transparent) wind energy. The confusion is: 1. Wind is see through. So its difficult to wrap your mind around SEEING this experiment. 2. The TEST is not done at the beginning OR end ;) But rather somewhere nearish the middle to just past that area.
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@inconn262 Oh and: 3. Once the bike rider stops pedalling (and going faster) eventually the bike will stop (and fall over LOL) ONCE the wind (energy) stops blowing, eventually the vehicle will stop. And then it would need to start in that really hard, massive energy, 10th gear again ;)
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@endofunk2174 Your question was about science Vs politics. The reason why politics exist as decision makers even over science, is due to what the people want. An excellent example is in Robocop where the scientific robot saved the man from drowning and not the girl, because the man had a higher survival chance than the girl. Scientifically the robot was right. But in reality or humanitarian (or ideally politically motivated humanitarian actions for the people) it can be argued that we are better off saving the girl. This conflict has been dealt with many times. Science itself should not be the end deciding factor in determining the best actions of the people. Nor does science intend to do this. Rather, science is the best method to be on the path towards truth and should be used as one (powerful) factor in determining societies needs.
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@Miles That's merely a claim kmsx1.6 Without any good reason or sufficient evidence to back it up. How did you dismiss all the other claimed Gods??
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@silvercat3243 Agreed. Your concern is what I find by debating with theists. They feel science is at the end of knowing everything! I try to explain we are not at the end, possibly less than a percent into it in reality. Its just perceived that we are at the end ;)
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@silvercat3243 Well emotions aren't a reliable method (this is where I originally felt you may have been some illogical unreasonable person). We worked out that emotions (you say feelings) are an unreliable method to be on the path towards truth. Similarly a drug may make you feel all happy and have a wonderful life in self deception. But MOST people prefer truth ;)
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@silvercat3243 And here I am with 2 decades of conversing with (usually) Christians! Yes I'm jealous your knowledge was made with more ease LOL. Although I bet I know more than you still. And THAT's conversation end, hooray :)
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@silvercat3243 Well I debunked the past idea by explaining that we are better off medically; health; entertainment; I mean knowledge lets face it. And I didn't keep pushing that point to overly prove that, I merely expected you'd agree ;) As for logic, its not the best term actually (would take a 100 posts to discuss) better to say: Reason and evidence. There's also cultural logic! Very irritating area. Where its logical to do eskimo kisses (as an example) than to go sit by the water for a picnic (in a certain culture or location). Logic is just not the preferred word really. Maths is merely a method (or tool) to help us understand reality.
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Science is the best known method of explaining everything we know to be true. A long time ago we worked out that reason and evidence is our guide. To question previous beliefs. Its through skeptism (a natural process of humans above 6, unless hindered by outside influences) that we can be on the path towards truth. Science is not a declaration of absolute truth, but rather the best known method to be on that path. Science is all about trying to prove things wrong, rather than proving something is right. Once we go through the scientific method removing any counter argument, then the hypothesis eventually becomes a scientific theory based on facts. As a science teacher you have the ability and requirement to help guide your students away from conspiracy theories; outdated beliefs; especially those based on emotions or personal testimony (the lowest, poorest method of determining if something is true or not). YOUR method is to get the 'kids' to begin questioning again, using the best known method of evidence and reason. Unless they prefer a non existent unreasonable belief!
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Regarding the boat examples. They use a side to side motion (like a mathematical sign wave if that helps) to gain speed, and irrelevant to this experiment.
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@jiminfested I'm thankful for all the info on this science experiment. It even took me a while to fully understand the test. Clearly even other professors of physics also questioned its validity. I see now that the test was not from start to end but only a certain point in the entire motion. A worthy vid.
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Science is based on the facts; reasoning; knowledge; evidence of the matter. It is NOT believing in the science guy! It irrespective if the science guy is supposedly fraudulent or not, as we follow the reason and evidence where it leads us and NOT any man or claimed man.
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VERY simplified. Its merely gearing. How say a bike can pedal really slowly but go very fast. Now replace the person energy on the geared bike, with wind energy (and no person energy). The wind energy can go really slowly (but through gearing) makes the boat go very fast ;)
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@kasper7203 Briefly: 1. The test was conducted not at the beginning or end of the wind. But when the wind had little effort to make the craft go faster 2. Similarly a person on a bike in top gear, is very difficult at the beginning. But (at the testing stage) only a mere light pedal (or wind gust) will propel you much faster, after you build up speed first. The wind merely needs to have little energy to propel the craft VERY fast (since the gear is like 10th speed on a bike) BUT the test is only done at that time. Not the build up, and not the end (when the wind energy stops). I wrote that clearer yesterday to someone. So I hope that shortened version now makes sense?
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It wasn't about the gear ratio. A simple mechanical watch could have shown how one hand spins faster than the other. It was showing how on one surface the speed of motion is different to the other surface (of the complete unit). It was meant to simplify how we can speed things up all on their own. Irrespective of gears; wind etc.
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I agree the data or evidence and reasoning outweighs any consensus completely. I also agree (not mentioned) that science is about falsifying and NOT proving things right! The method of presentation on this show was more for the audience. It wasn't a true scientific approach.
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Is this similar to how waves in the ocean build up as they go further (or closer to shore) ? Why do waves in the ocean get bigger and bigger? Is that merely inertia similar to a boulder going downhill except the oceans are flat? This faster than wind vid (especially shown in the wheel pulley mechanism) shouldn't all transport be now based off that? Plus I realize you won't do it now, but I'd really like a very dumbed down layman's explanation of this vid. To me it still doesn't seem like it should be possible, even though I see it happening. Its going to keep concerning me until someone makes a basic vid of how it works.
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•••[S]EX-Vlog Go to My Channel Science is already about falsifying claims or hypothesies. That their exact point. What's wrong with you? Why didn't you know that?
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The Covid virus showed how science is required. Without science people would still be living to about 25! Science is merely the best known method to be on the path towards truth. Similarly how artificial designed food was implemented in starving countries. Science will set you free ;)
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@drorbenami We don't need to argue science is good for us, its obvious. I was obviously speaking of the Covid vaccines. Yes science has kept people alive, especially noted in operations and medicine. Air from ocean plants? Whatever that was about, yes wonderful if science has helped to now know where our air comes from in what ratios! Science is NOT at fault for helping supporting bettering everything! What would be at fault is wilful ignorance to it. We are living in the best era ever, best technology; health; entertainment; knowledge you name it, due to science. If science informs you, you have a terminal illness that's not science's fault. Science is merely a pathway to the truth of reality. And clearly our best known method. Can you think of a better idea? Guessing or believing in nonsense maybe? They are NOT good methods!
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@drorbenami Your argument of people without basic amenities such as fresh water Vs science in general, is absurd. For instance: The reason why a billion dollars has been spent of Mars exploration of previous life existing there (as the single reason for the entire Mars mission) is to help us understand life origins, and a step towards living on other planets or finding suitable exo 2nd Earth like planets. THIS better all of humanity. Do you feel they'll find previous life existing on Mars? The evidence and reasoning points to yes. Since science has informed us that the basic building blocks of life materials are found throughout the universe. Imagine if you believed that life can only come from Earth! That would be a bit backward thinking.
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Infinity or eternity rather, is not a real number. It is a mathematical concept. In reality there isn't any infinite thing!
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